Anime Clix

[Deathscythe126]

Well since we're looking at our dream characters and concepts, may as well tell you all about the idea my friends and I have for Anime Clixs and see what everyone thinks. We've already hammered out characters, stat concepts, abilities and team abilities for charcters from Dragonball Z, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and at least one charater from each Gundam saga, and we have concepts going for Akira, Ghost In The Shell, Tenchi Muyo, Slayers, Vampire Hunter D, Yu Yu Hakasho and some others. Believe it or not, we're actually quite serious about presenting the concept to Wiz, and as much of a longshot as it may seem i'm wondering if anyone here may know how to get that accomplished.

I've never been into role playing, but HeroClixs has been great as both a game and a hobby. Also if anyone can explain the IM game to me that would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[gnrlturner]

I second that motion. Another Clix player and I also had an idea for Anime CLix. We've been trying to figure out stats for Vash from TriGun and some of the characters from Kenshin. We really haven't put a lot of thought into it, but it's fun to talk about it.

I think the best way to accomplish this would be to make some kind of internet petition that people could digitally sign. That would show WiKids that there is an interest in the Anime market. However, after they accept the idea it's up to the WizKids agents to get the licensing from the different Anime companies.

[WhiteRabbit909]

Screw Trigun and Rurouni Kenshin (although I do like them both), it's all about Gundam!!!!

[blackdragon]

I like the idea of Anime clix. Dragonball Z figures would be fun. Vampire Hunter D in battle against Count Magnus Lee would be awesome.

Peace,
blackdragon

[Spider_Cide]

I have a whole entire 'Photoshop' presentation ready and packaged to be sent out tomorrow. Me and a group of local play testers have spent the past 4 months working on it. These are a few of the series included:
-CowBoy Bebop
-DragonBall, Z, and GT
-Kenshin
-Outlaw Star
-The Big O
-Inuyasha
-Yu-Yu Hakusho
-Yu-Gi-Oh!

Big Figure: Burning Gundum and Shining Gudam
Special offers- SS4 Goku and Vegeta

We created stats, maps, objects, and figure concept sketches. That was a fun project. The only problem we saw in it upon doing the research for the characters, is that between international copyrights and all the different toy companies<like for Dragon Ball Z>, it would be hard to make.

But we hope the project is at least enjoyed, if not thought seriously of.

Wish us luck.

[CosmicBeing]

Hey alright! Anime!

You'd have to do Escaflowne along with Ranma 1/2.

Of course you'll need:
Vampire Hunter D
Cowboy Bebop (Ed would have Perplex :laugh: )
Trigun
Hellsing :devious:
Lodoss War :cool:

Of course you might not want to do DBZ. I mean Spike is cool but what exactly would he be able to do against SSaiyan level 3 Goku?

[Zekeup32]

Nope not a chance, but you guys can keep wishing.

[Spider_Cide]

Zekeup32, do you have anything positive to add or not?

[theCrazyEst]

Hey:

This is a good idea and all (I personally would like the Leiji Matsumoto, Go Nagai, and Tatsunoko universes) but the problem I believe you'll encounter is the licencing.

Cowboy Bebop & all Sunrise animation products including Gundam, Dunbine, and others all have excllusive toy rights with Bandai (if I'm not mistaken). Bandai has always wanted to gain a foothold in the US market especially with their cash cows (i.e. Mobile Suit Gundam) so if there are to be clix of these properties I think Bandai would want a piece of that action.

It's a great idea still just be ready for the punchline.

[Spider_Cide]

Thats the same problem we ran into while putting together our presintation,

[Venom_123]

I already have a few DBZClix. :D I just bought the miniature DBZ figures and glued them to HC bases.

Mwahaha everyone fears the Majin Buu-Firelord.

[Wyldstaar]

There is a chance! JonL has stated that the possibility is being looked into. He posts here every once in a while and answers questions. He's surprisingly open to our questions when he's here. Naturally, he wouldn't commit to anything but he did say that it could happen eventually.

[evilspider]

I made stats for goku and vegeta here they are.

http://drowningchaos.tripod.com/hc/goku.html

[evilspider]

Hey Venom do you have pictures?

[Hadez]

I would really like to see anime clix, but there's one problem:

No one, and I mean no one will be happy about playing!
\Why? Beacuse the mayority of anime characters are unbeatable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on, who could win to a SSJ 4 Goku, whoi has only 1 set of KOs?

I like it but I think the whole notion of "You ALWAYS WIN Having These", makes me not wanna have them.

[evilspider]

Well I made mine that way. I can almost promise you that the designers would balance them better. also I used the spread sheet to calculate the above figures and you couldn't play them in a 300 point game so it's fair. the saiyans are at least superman firelord level, and people manage to play with them just in maybe larger games.

[Hadez]

Sure, then. How About Kenshin?

I do not know much about him, but I have heard that he always kicks everybody's ###!

[evilspider]

I can see kenshin having stealth,close combat expert, perplex
and leadership.

[Hadez]

Cool!
And we should have Eva 01 and Eva 02 as BIG figures!
That would br really cool!

[daedalus25]

Wow! That's great that you've come up with a formal presentation. I'm glad you're getting more support than I did as well. I brought this idea up last year, and everyone pretty much tried to shoot me down. Cheers to you for having better success.

If you want, I came up with stats for all the Ranma 1/2 characters. I've been tweaking it a little every time I look at it. I basically just tried to compare them to Thugs as normal people and went from there. You can use it and change it as much as you like. It should make a good guideline, and I can explain my reasons for everything pretty simply.

Let me know if you want it!

[Hadez]

Hell yeah!

Where can I get them? (The stats)

[daedalus25]

I'll see if I can upload the spreadsheet to an old host, and I'll post the link. Or I can just email it to anyone who wants to play with it and make it look prettier. It's in Excel 2000 format right now. I'll have to get home first though, so it'll be about an hour.

[Hadez]

Cool!
I'm really expecting it!

[Nathorod]

It will seem strange that a french-canadian like me say something like that, but I know the guy who told to Wizkids the idea to do something like "heroclix" and the guy's not richer now!

Exept if you treat an email like something valuable?

Your friendly canadien with adamantium-laced-skeleton free!

Sorry for my english!

[daedalus25]

I found an old copy I was playing with at work. It gives a pretty good idea where I was going with the Ranma 1/2 character stats. This is before I did a lot of tweaking, so some things I consider a little off. Then again, few characters in Hero Clix are truly great representations of the character.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGStuff/files/

[Hadez]

Hey Man! Just saw the clix for Ranma And i gotta say: Good Job!
Only 3,500 anime characters to go!!!!!!!!!!
:p

[evilspider]

What did people think about my dbz stats

[Thunderbolts]

Come on, who could win to a SSJ 4 Goku, whoi has only 1 set of KOs?



Wobbuffet. >_<

[evilspider]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[EVIL CAP]

If this were to really be done i might suggest leaving out the DBZ characters just because it becomes unweildy and to hard to accurately translate.More human level guys from Ranma through Kenshin Excel Excel [for perplex natch] to the high end of maybe Vash at his best or a Card Captor Sakura Kinomoto [with19 Defense Invulnerability 12 attack b/c/f HSS 5 damage 12 range etc]

[TheChad]

I work at one of the big Anime companies. And I can tell you that its in the works, just keep your hopes up. The main thing you have to remember is lisencings, cause all those animes are owned by different companies. But it was done with Ani-Mayhem, I don't see why it cant be done with clix.

[DoomX]

TheChad you sir are a lier. the idea isn't that great in the first place. count my vote to the No side.

[TheChad]

Originally posted by DoomX
TheChad you sir are a lier. the idea isn't that great in the first place. count my vote to the No side.


well dummy, im at work right now how would you like me to email you from there.

[TheChad]

Well have get to leave now. If you or anybody else would like for me to prove that im not a liar, you can PM and can email you from ADV films, Monday morning. I don't appreciate being called a liar DoomX.

[Deathscythe126]

Well I turn away from the board for a week or two, and look what happens huh?

I gotta say it’s great to see the support for the idea, and even a nod to those who are against it because hey, it’s not for everyone just like how some people will only play with Marvel or DC figs alone right now. Just to let you guys know we did in fact send off our character concepts to Wiz, but it was just the initial characters we created (Bebop, DBZ, Outlaw Star, Akira, Gundam, GITS) but we’ve come up with a lot more since then. Guess we’re gonna give Wiz just a taste of what we have in mind before the main course.

The big thing I’m reading, and it’s something we brought up a lot when we came up with the concept, is the “absurdity” of some of the matchups, specifically targeting the DBZ platoon. There are a couple of responses I have to this. For one, we have to remember that in Heroclix, we’re playing a game where the “absurd” can and most likely will happen. Batman and Spiderman fighting together isn’t the norm. I think the perfect example though is two weeks back, we’re playing and my Intergang Medic delivers the death blow to a Hulk, a play that now goes down in infamy as “The Red Sox winning the World Series”. It sounds impossible, but in this game the impossible happens. Getting down to specifics though is the absurdity of a Goku vs Spike Speigel or a Vicious vs Vegita battle. To note for Goku and Vegita we did have the varying levels of the two, in fact one of the rookie Goku concepts is the young Dragonball Goku. Allright, we do have Goku with the invunerability and fairly obscene numbers, but at the same time we gave Spike close combat expert, so he could manage to get in some damage. Plus of course there is the point value factor and you can always factor in someone having outwit (per example we gave Faye outwit) and taking out the invunerability. So just as with some of the current matchups as absurd as they seem, its still very much possible to engage and win in those kinds of battles. As always it still comes down to the dice roll. Now if it’s Goku vs Mad Pierot, then you have an interesting battle, and we made Pierot so obscene that would be an incredibly tough matchup.

I think it was figuring out the team abilities and what individual abilities to give to characters was the trickiest part, some of which are still very much incomplete. We looked at characters like Melfina, Ed and Ein (yes, they’re a combo figure cause you cant spell Ein without Ed!) and Gwen Kahn as a few examples and found ourselves struggling to find abilities. Yeah, Ed has perplex and probability control, and Mel has support, but they still seem incomplete. You want to throw in mind control or telekenisis but it doesn’t seem to fit. We wound up creating concept abilities like Tech Expert and High IQ, but kinda left it incomple, we also sucumbed in the end and gave Mel Psychic Blast for a clix or two. The team abilities were even trickier, per example we wanted the Cowboy Bebop team to have the wildcard ability since they really don’t tend to act like a team, but we saw the same thing with the Gundam Wing team since they are in a similar situation. Some weren’t all that difficult, the ISSP force got Shield ability, The Z team got the Avengers ability, the Antem Seven got the Masters Of Evil ability as a few examples. Like I said, it’s still a large work in progress.

And let me wish you best of luck with your project Cide. We didn’t come up with this idea to make cash, we did it because we’d love to see this concept come through, so it’s always nice to know that just in case ours doesn’t pull through maybe yours has a shot. It would just be really sweet to see this on the shelves. And Chad, I’d greatly appreciate that link when you have a moment.

"Lesson lesson? If you see a stranger, follow him!" Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky The Fourth

[Mustard Plug]

They could do yu yu hakusho clix hes pretty low powerd he would start out as a school bully then become way better at end of clix YUSUKE
his range could be 8 with 2 arrows
speed 7,8,8,9,9,9,10,10
attack 7,8,9,9,10,11,12,12
defense 13,14,15,16,16,17,17
damage 1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4
on his 4-to last click he could have charge.
4-to last click he could have energy explosion
3-5 he could have toughness, 6-8 he could have super senses

[DareDevil_13]

Make me a Krillin figure! Cheap RCE, EE, and baldness galore!

[Mustard Plug]

o ya give yusuke this he could have close combat expert for 2 click to his 4 click
then he would get ranged combat expert form 5-8 click

Then you could do kuwabara he would be like yusuke
speed 5,5,6,7,8,9,10
attack 7,8,8,9,10,11,11
defense 12,13,14,15,16,16,17
damage 0,1,2,2,2,3,4
give him close combat expert on 3-7 click
give him charge on he last three clicks
give him blades claws and fangs for his last four clicks
give him toughness for 3-5 click then on his last 2 clicks give him supersenses

[Mustard Plug]

Cant for get Hiei
range 6 ,arrows 1
speed, 9,10,11,12,12,13,14,15
attack 7,8,9,9,10,11,11,12
defense 14,15,16,16,16,16,16,17
damage 1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3
3-8 clicks give him hypersonic speed
then for his attack give him blades claws and fangs from 2click to last click
then give him close combat expert from 2 click to 7 click then on his last click give him outwit
give him energy/sheild deflection on 1-3 click then give him supersenses on the last clicks

[Mustard Plug]

cant forget kurama
range 8, arrows 1
speed 7,7,8,9,9,10,11
attack 7,8,9,9,10,11,11,
defense 13,14,15,16,16,17,17
damage 1,1,2,2,2,3,3
give him running shot for click 3-7
give him incapacitate from click 1-3then give him blades claws and fangs on his last clicks
give him will power click 2-4 his last clicks would have supersenses
give gim range combat expert from click 1-3 then give him outwit for the rest of the clicks.

[EVIL CAP]

Allright ill join in too.Ive been playing with some ideas for Anime customs for a while now anyways.Id especially like to know if anyone else wants to dicuss this maybe over AIM or something so we can try and make some really good accurate representations of characters.Heres a couple of the ones i have down so far

Spike Spigal rk 35 Range 8 Targets 2

Speed 7RS 6 5 5Sth 4Sth
Attack 9EE 9EE 8 8 6
Defense 15T 15 14 13 11
Damage 2 1rce 1rce 1cce 0cce

Everyone loves spike but sometimes evrryone forgets he is basically just a normal guy.This is a fairly toned down version but hes still rather effective and fairly cheap.He still gets his martial arts ability in cce and its just late because of the obvious emphasis in CB of gunplay [plus its also a nice to simulate being low on ammo]

Card Captor Sakura rk34 Flies Range 6 targets 2 Shojo team [Super Senses]

Speed 7sth 6 6 5
Attack 8SS 10Inc 10Inc 7
Defense 15Bar 14Bar 12Bar 10Bar
Damage 0 0 0 0Out

Sakura [Like anyone i would put on the Shojo team] isnt a terriblly offensive powerhouse but she can be a helpful low cost figures.She gets a good number of her early cards represented like Super Strength [Power] Incapacitate [Windy] Stealth[Shadow] and can Fly [Fly]

Vash the Stampede Unique 160 Range 10 Targets 3
Speed 8 10HSS 10HSS 8HSS 8HSS 6l/c 6l/c 5l/c 5l/c
Attack 9 12EE 12EE 11EE 10EE 10EE 10EE 10EE 10EE
Defense 17SS 19SS 18SS 17SS 17SS 16SS 15SS 14SS 13SS
Damage 2Per 2Per 3 3 3 2 2 2 2

Vash is pretty monsterous overall i like him ^_^.He starts with a bi of a "Wuss" click which is usually the point when he is just walking around seemingly like a harmless but almost unkillable dope [Note the fitting perplex] but then gets serious after a bit and shows off his incredible speed and uncanny marksmanship.No Angel stuff on this version though maybe another time

Anyone want to talk about this kind of thing drop me an IM anytime

[Mustard Plug]

Vasho should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[Mustard Plug]

Vash should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[Mustard Plug]

Vash should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[Mustard Plug]

Vash should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[Mustard Plug]

Vash should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[Mustard Plug]

Vash should have range combat expert for he is unstoppable with his gun, he can hit any target

[The Corinthian]

WTH? you only need to reply once, anyway as long as kenshin clix would come out with the set, i'd buy a case.

[EVIL CAP]

I was working out a Kenshin next actually i have the rk down[along with Sano] but im gonna wait until i sit through the Kyoto arc again before i do his Exp/Vet version.[Im thinking HSS with a low move+Outwit] and a Unique Battousai thats a notch better than the Exp version with Blades that the normal version lacks

[Mustard Plug]

hell ya kenshin rules i was actually think of making a batosai unique make sanosuke cool, hes the keenest character in it

[Skandranon]

Woah there, Vash is fast, but not HSS fast. And he should start out with 1 damage, and incapacitate. I know it doesn't make him as lethal as everyone wants, but Vash doesn't kill people. He doesn't even like injuring people. He is a big wuss, so I'd have him as a massive incapacitate machine, 10 range, lots of attack and defence. I'd also peg him for a few clicks of Defence at the begining, as I see him as the type of guy who would take a bullet to save his team mates.

[SaturnHero]

I'd love to see a mixed set of Anime-based clix, but I think one of the biggest problems (and you've mentioned it) is getting multiple rights. It would end up costing a lot, even if Wizkids picked up a lot of "Nickle and Dime" anime. It might be possible to make deals with different owners/distributers, but unlike Marvel and DC, who own all the rights and liscense them, anime tends to be a complicated series of who owns what part of distributing what and where (see all the Macross/Robotech crazyness from a few years ago). Even if they could sort all this out, the cost would still be high, as they'd be liscensing from so many sources.

That said, it might be possible to pick up a few "hot" titles, from Toonami or Saturday morning based anime, and mix in a lot of series that would like to get some more exporse. Tenchi would be a great option, it's been liscensed for Ani-mayhem, RPGs, etc, plus it has a good sized cast of medium-powered figures that would lend well to Clix. On top of that, it's well known among both old and new anime fans, and would draw in people. Throw in some lesser known, but very much fan apprechiated shows, such as Rayearth or Vampire Hunter D, and you can work up a set that would appeal to both Clix fans and anime fans. Generate enough sales in your first set, and you can start going for big titles like DBZ.

A few more idle thoughts:

Gundam: The humans in Gundam are generally about as powerful as a Veteran nameless character. And the Mobile Suits themselves would have to be Sentinel/Sinestro level figures. Maybe one based on the original, but it would be really hard to work in.

DBZ: If you stopped before the Buu stuff, you MIGHT be able to fit these guys in. But you'd have a LOT of angry fans complaining that Goku and Vegeta can't kill Thanos in one hit and what not. Basing Rookies on Dragonball and the Saiyan Saga, Experienced on Frieza, and Veterans on Trunks/Androids/Cell would probably work.

Anime with few people: Save them for later unless you can get many series from the same owner.

Mecha-based series: See gundam. Possibly work on a second game compatible with MechWarrior.

And last thought, more for Wizkids if they do the final numbers, but also when you make your proposal: Avoid giving values based on the series itself. A big anime staple is the unbeatable character, and if you take the badarse from every show and make him the way he "should" be, the game will be unbalanced. Balance of characters is key to getting the idea accepted.

Dunno if that was any help or just a pointless rant, but I'll say I'd like to see it if it ever happened. Could always choose to NOT play with the ones I don't like.

[SaturnHero]

Ok, this isn't meant in any way as an insult to most posters on this thread, so if it bugs you, try not to worry too much about it.

Do you guys watch anything but the standard Toonami stuff? Most of the suggestions are from things that were on Toonami at one point or another. I guess I'm showing my anime-age here, but there are a lot of great other anime out there (like the Ranma suggestion). I'd think Sailor Moon would be a -natural- choice for this. I realize the set needs to be marketed to the big audiences, but how about some suggestions for things like Tank Police, A-ko, or even untranslated super-rabid-otaku-fan favorites from Japan?

Anyway, this is really more of a social post than a suggestion for the set. I like the idea, so I was just wondering how many people watch more varied stuff.

[WhiteRabbit909]

Well, I would like to see some Helling. Man, I wonder how Arucard would look like as a clix.

[EVIL CAP]

Yeah ive watch more than CN ive been into anime since around 1991 and was collecting stuff like Trigun way before it came ut on CN.I already had a couple of my old favs like Ranma [male and Female r/e/v] a Ryoga and a pair of Uniques A-ko and C-ko on the shelf along with Jubei[with a special last flurry click for the headbutting scene ^_^].Im waiting until i finish off watching ALL of Hellsing before i try to make an Alucard just so i can present him properly.Personally i could very much live without DBZ clix as much as i did like the show i HATE using it in compairsion to anything else

I totally agree with your point on the expense of licensing preventing a set of Animeclix being very practical thats why i think it should be fan-made so nobody gets sued or has any roadblocks in the way of a good game