Need a Rules Guru Help with an EE explanation

[Silver Lantern]

Tssanik, Hero Complex, and rules genius please help. This is concerning a recent rules thread, and now I am very confused about a critical hit with Energy Explosion on multiple tragets.

Lets suppose the folloing set up:

XXXXXXXX
XXDEFXXX
XXABCXXX
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
XXXMXXXX
XXXXXXXX

Lets say that M is Ironman, and he hits with a critical hit with EE targeting both A & C. What damage does each figure take? Also does everyone suffer knockback? In what order do you resolve knockback? Assume no one has any type of damage reduction or defense power.

Finally, do you take knockback of 1 for a critical miss? :D

My first question is the most critical one (no pun intended), Thanks.
Rene

[ultimatemark]

In your example, with a critical hit, Characters A,C,D, and F should all take 2 clicks (1+1critical). Then, Characters B and E would take 4 clicks each (1+1critical+1splash+1splash critical).
I'm not sure about knockback, I think ABC would be knocked back, into DEF, therefore not moving, then DEF would be knocked back two squares.
Also, you don't take knockback for Critical miss.

[shin-goji]

A and C take 2 clix. B takes 4. D and F take 2, and E takes 4. D and F go backward two spaces, then A, B and C move backward two spaces. E goes back 4 spaces. You move the back row first.

[ultimatemark]

Yeah, what shin said. (forgot E and B took 4 damage when I computed knockback).

[Tsannik]

What damage does each figure take?
A = 2 Damage
B = 4 Damage
C = 2 Damage
D = 2 Damage
E = 4 Damage
F = 2 Damage

Tell me if you want the breakdown for that.
Also does everyone suffer knockback?Rolling a critical success? Yeppers.
In what order do you resolve knockback
DEF would be knocked back first following normal knockback rules. The actual order here is not important... just as long as these three get knockback first...

Then ABC would be knocked back...

ACDF would take 2 knockback
B and E would have 4 knockback

Finally, do you take knockback of 1 for a critical miss? :D


yeah... no knockback for a failed attack.

This answer?

[UltraMANOS]

EE w/ a crtical hit will dish out 2 clix of damage towards the targeted and adjacent figures, now since you target 2 figures,A,c,d and F will suffer 2 clix of damage,B and E will suffer 4 clix of damage since both B and E are adjacent to A and C.
D E and F all move "away" from A and C, so does B. they all move the number of spaces equal the damage given. By "away" I mean in a fan like motion, so that none of the figures are exactly adjacent or atleast away from A and C.
EE w/ a critical hit is devastating, even more so with multiple targets and sheild team abilities, not to mention the possible extra click of damage incase a knock back roll is rolled while the targets are positoned at the edge of a map or elevated terrain.

[RandMan2K2]

All I'm saying is that if your Iron Man did that to my Shield force, it'd be a bad day in my personal Harlem:p . I did this to someone's setup in a recent "friendly" game and he was similar to this: :angry: . He argued with me for a few minutes about the splash damage, saying he only had to take three. I got tired of his whining, and since it was such a harsh move I took some pity on him and let him off easy. I guess I'll just have to savor the personal satisfaction of knowing I was actually correct. Good question, I'm glad you asked it.

[shin-goji]

Hmmm, that is a good question. Which direction do the figures go, straight back or in a fan like motion using the targeted figures as the base for impact.

[NateTG]

Knockbac is directly away from the figure causing the damage.

In this case, all 6 figures go north.

[Silver Lantern]

I'm still not clear why the guys in the middle take 4 and not 3? I see that they each take 2 splash (from A & C), and +1 for the critical hot roll, but what is this +1 splash critical UltimateMark is talking about? Are they saying that each splash is a critical so therefore whoever takes a splash gets the splash damage + the critical? So B & E end up taking 1 splash PLUS 1 for critical from each A AND C in essence 4?

The language +1 Splash critical confuses me, it sounds like there is yet another +1 added onto the critical in essence making it +2 critical. Please explain guys. And thanks to all who replied.

[shin-goji]

The middle figures take 4, because the figures on either side of them are radiating two damage each, which stacks to 4 clix of damage.

[Silver Lantern]

God bless you Shin :D.

[Tsannik]

As per the FAQ

If a ranged attack causes knockback along a line that is not straight vertical, horizontal, or diagonal (that is, the attacker didn't attack from a straight vertical, horizontal or diagonal direction), the attacker can choose which direction to knock back the target, so long as the line is basically straight.