Let's Discuss the Sorry Inquest Rankings! [Archive]

Darth Sabre

04/02/2003, 18:30

Now me myself, I think Taskmaster should be the number one figure in the set. He is like a gobstopper, with each layer you get past, there's a different flavor. Each version offers a different variety.

I don't have every figure in the set, so I won't list them, past feeling that Taskmaster is number 1.

But Spider-Man #1? I don't think so. Useful and the best Spider-man to date? Most definately! Lack of the Spidey team ability hurts this figure.

Daredevil? He should not be in the top 16. Sure he's got L/C now, but at the expense of the Spidey team ability??? his numbers aren't all that different from the IC version.

Weapon X? He should't even smell the top 16 on here! The most disappointing rendition of Wolverine to date. Even the LE is more useful than this waste of plastic. numbers are too low, and Wp doesn't compensate for this. I expected this to be a more feral version of Wolvie.

Phoenix? Only a mere shade of what she could've been. Not disappointing in the least, but more of a slight letdown, for what I was expectring.

Zekeup32

04/02/2003, 18:37

No Silver Samuri or Deathbird, what are they thinking. Those are 2 of the best figures. Doc Sampson and Taskmaster should also be in the top 10 no question.

Joe Kerr

04/02/2003, 18:37

I don't have Spider-Man yet so I don't know. I do expect to see plenty of Destiny at Tournaments.

JohnDawg

04/02/2003, 18:38

Taskmaster should get more props IMHO, the Exp. and Vet. are both exceptional in the right teams.

I have mixed judgement about Iron Man. Lots of points but needs to be with the other Avengers.

I really like the new U Spider-man and the U Green Goblin but they aren't number 1 & 2.

1. Veteran Doc Samson (I have done 8!!!! clicks of damage with this wrecking ball of destruction)
2. Veteran Mandarin
3. U Phoenix
4. U Elektra
5. Taskmaster
6. Iron Man
7. U Spider-man
8. Abomination (pound for pound the most economic, big damage Super-Strength monster)
9. U Hulk HULK SMASH!!!HULK STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!
10. Crimson Artillery Battery...errr....Dynamo

Doomtoy

04/02/2003, 18:45

I'm mixed on Iron Man, too. Only his Vet version seems really all that usable, and even THEN, his AV plummets after he's taken a few clicks of damage.

I like the new Spidey, though. I think he's eminently playable. I dunno if he's the hottest thing in the set, tourneywise, though. I do like him, powerwise and pointwise, over his previous iterations in previous sets.

I'm in love with Paramedics and Con Artists, though. Insanely cheap, handy support figures. Best #%$@ generics since the original Marvel and DC sets! Man, think about what a Green Lantern with the GL team ability will be able to do with six or eight Con artists... "Okay. I pick up my Ho Brigade, move into range, and Perplex you into utter helplessness. Next turn, I push, Perplex my damage up by SIX, and blast your butt clear to Pakistan. Game over.":laugh:

Darth Sabre

04/02/2003, 18:50

Originally posted by Doomtoy
I'm mixed on Iron Man, too. Only his Vet version seems really all that usable, and even THEN, his AV plummets after he's taken a few clicks of damage.

I like the new Spidey, though. I think he's eminently playable. I dunno if he's the hottest thing in the set, tourneywise, though. I do like him, powerwise and pointwise, over his previous iterations in previous sets.

I'm in love with Paramedics and Con Artists, though. Insanely cheap, handy support figures. Best #%$@ generics since the original Marvel and DC sets! Man, think about what a Green Lantern with the GL team ability will be able to do with six or eight Con artists... "Okay. I pick up my Ho Brigade, move into range, and Perplex you into utter helplessness. Next turn, I push, Perplex my damage up by SIX, and blast your butt clear to Pakistan. Game over.":laugh:

lol! Well said DT!

Yeah, I agree that when it comes to generics, it doesn't get any better than the hoes.......

"But we don't love dem hoes" Snoop Dog on Dr Dre's Album, the Chronic. Song? #%!&*#$ ain't $#!t but hoes and tricks!

JohnDawg

04/02/2003, 18:56

Originally posted by Doomtoy
Man, think about what a Green Lantern with the GL team ability will be able to do with six or eight Con artists... "Okay. I pick up my Ho Brigade, move into range, and Perplex you into utter helplessness. Next turn, I push, Perplex my damage up by SIX, and blast your butt clear to Pakistan. Game over.":laugh:

Oh Yeaaahhh Baby!!

See Quote----->

Zerous

04/02/2003, 19:01

I agree with most of you. E Taskmaster and a V Shadowcat are nearly unstoppable indoors. With Mastermind and that for once usable X-Team ability (because Tasky is a minion of DOOM!), Taskmaster usually won't dip past his first click when I play him. He's ridiculous. That reminds, regular Shadowcat is a great fig, R,E, or V.

I'm not a fan of the Iron Man. Sorry. That AV is fine if your fending off DC figs, but Marvel has a higher standard of D. Which is silly with all of Iron Man's targeting systems and whatnot. I'm not the least bit happy with my R and E versions and have kept them only for the sculpt.

I'd love to have that Willpowered/Perplexing taxi Green Goblin, but I don't :ermm:

V Mandarin
E Beast
V Silver Samuri
V Sampson

Killer!

Manchine

04/02/2003, 19:04

Certain things are on certain things are way off by this list.

richjwood

04/02/2003, 19:39

My list of the top 25

@ = didn't make initial cut
Apocalypse@
Boom-Boom@
Colossus@
Daredevil@
Elektra@
Hand Ninja Close@
Lady Deathstrike@
Madame Masque@
Scorpion@
SWAT Officer@
The Leader@
Typhoid Mary@
Viper@
Weapon X@

*(#25)Gambit
*(#24)SWAT Specialist
*(#23)Hand Ninja Ranged
*(#22)Iron Man
*(#21)Iceman
*(#20)Spider-Man
*(#19)Hulk
*(#18)Phoenix
*(#17)Destiny
*(#16)Crimson Dynamo
*(#15)Psylocke
*(#14)Silver Samurai
*(#13)Deathbird
*(#12)Beast
*(#11)Con Artist
*(#10)Mystique
*(#09)Storm
*(#08)Shadowcat
*(#07)Paramedic
*(#06)Abomination
*(#05)Doc Samson
*(#04)Green Goblin
*(#03)Taskmaster
*(#02)Sauron
*(#01)Mandarin

knotwork

04/02/2003, 19:45

I think that the best figures in xplosion (not in order of greatness) are:

e&v taskmaster
v mandarin
u cheesebird
rev paramedics
rev shadowcat (should be called shrodingers cat :)

Quade

04/02/2003, 19:58

I would have to put Taskmaster at #1 as well with the Paramedics prolly #2. Not sure where IQ got their data but maybe they didn't look close enough at the figs.

EVIL CAP

04/03/2003, 03:25

I think its pretty obvious that it has NOTHING to do with ranking the figures.Its not about the game its a paid advertisment for HeroClix and Marvel.Thats why Spidey is the "Best" in this set followed by thw Goblin.Sure they toss Taskmaster in there to pretend its real but come on were not that easily fooled.This is the same group that rated 200+ point black-hole Vet Superman the best DC figure for obviously no reason other than advertising Heck if a 200 point Electra with 1s all the way down the dial came out she would be ranked at least 15th

Liquid

04/03/2003, 04:28

In my opinion, these are some of the better figs...

psylocke
paramedic
shadowcat (e)
taskmaster
con artist

sdkid86

04/03/2003, 09:08

Originally posted by knotwork
I think that the best figures in xplosion (not in order of greatness) are:

e&v taskmaster

First of all....the rookie taskmaster is awesome and is equally good as his experienced and veteran versions for his low point cost.

Also...I just picked up my copy of Inquest and I agree also...that list stunk. I mean....they put weapon X on it...he has to be one of the worst heroclix EVER!!!! Also they didn't give Silver Samurai any justice as all as well as great figures like Deathbird, Gambit, and Mandarin.

Now onto the really bad team articles---first of all, wasn't this article written by peolpe on the Wizkids staff? Becuase if it was, then they should have realized that Iceman is on the defenders and the bullseye has an ELEVEN attack value.

All in all, I thought the article was absolutely horrible....letting down many fans.

Just my thoughts...Sdkid86

Nevest

04/03/2003, 09:31

You people who are just now disappointed with InQuest's HeroClix coverage must not have been paying much attention to the magazine since HeroClix came out. Every ranking for every set has been unbelievable ... it's like they pick which is a prettier sculpt and which characters they like better in the comics and that's how they rate them. If you've ever read any of their little "Killer Army" articles for HeroClix and you know anything about the game it makes your head hurt. The little blurb from the "World Champion" HeroClix player a month or two back was simply idiotic and just shows you how cheesy that magazine's coverage really is. The people at InQuest have obviously never gotten into playing HeroClix and obviously don't care to provide any useful information about it in their magazine.

I keep my subscription only for the sometimes useful Magic information and for the send away HeroClix figures.

richjwood

04/03/2003, 13:11

would anyone else in the world brag that "the best play they've ever made in a tourney" was: stalling the whole game and then taxiing in Firelord to kill a medic?

That Inquest #95 article sucked and so did the new one!

MakeMineMarvel

04/03/2003, 15:59

I am boycotting Magic magazine...I mean Inquest, since they tricked me twice into buying their mag for the cover-advertised HC coverage that was hardly there.

Funky Jett

04/03/2003, 16:15

Originally posted by Nevest
You people who are just now disappointed with InQuest's HeroClix coverage must not have been paying much attention to the magazine since HeroClix came out. Every ranking for every set has been unbelievable ... it's like they pick which is a prettier sculpt and which characters they like better in the comics and that's how they rate them.
Infinity Challenge - #1 was Vet Kang, simply because he was the most points so they figures he must be strong.
Hypertime - #1 was Vet Superman, because in their words, "because he's Superman"
Clobberin Time - #1 was Dr. Doom, because Doom Rules and his expensive point cost. They didn't even bother to put photos of the figures in that one.

Inquest doesn't have a freakin clue about what HeroClix is all about.

PantherPriest

04/03/2003, 16:24

Why are we wasting our time again?

Does anyone care what inquest says?

Orpheus

04/03/2003, 16:42

1. Spider-Man U

Not even near the top 20 in my list.

2. Green Goblin U

Great figure.

3. Destiny

Good, but not that good. There already were nice and cheap CP B4.

4. Mystique

They must be kidding...

5. Phoenix U

Not near as good as Moondragon. Principal interest : her 12 range.

6. Shadowcat U

She IS one of the great things X-PLosion brought.

7. Sauron U

Very nice piece, should have made top 5.

8. Iron Man

Way too expensive. I managed to win a few games with the E version in sealed deck tournament, but I had to rely on skill and a good medic, and still lost when faced with the Dynamo. He is a failure of XP (for this type of cost, I'd prefer V Thor anytime !!).

9. Psylocke

She IS good.

10. Elektra U

Very good, but Xpensive.

11. Con Artist

Nice.

12. Weapon X

Brings nothing new to the game ; isn't even that good for his cost. I'd rather play U Elektra.

13. Beast

Nice, not great.

14. Taskmaster

Love him, in his 3 versions. Not one of the easiest / cheesiest characters, but certainly one of the most interesting. Should have made top ten.

15. Doc Samson

Useless in any version. Drop him in the trashcan rather than ill-spend your points. Abomination takes him anytime. ANd if you need punch + Perplex, add a perplexer to Hercules...

16. Daredevil

Not much better than the previous version. Marginal at best.

Mandarin isn't even mentionned. Nor is Iceman, or if you go that road, the Paramedic !!

So, about this list, how could I say it...

Bunch of nonsense ?

Do these guys ever play the games they talk about ???

RandMan2K2

04/03/2003, 16:59

It is indeed a shame that Mandarin (that robed d*** when he's my opponent:p ) wasn't even mentioned. What a variety of skills he brings. Such versatility, and for what you get, not even that costly. Inquest really did drop the ball, but then again, what did you expect after previous shams of articles.

Zerous

04/03/2003, 17:04

I just sent an e-mail to the senior editor at Wizard Inc, because the publish ToyFare and Inquest, etc. and because he was the one person I could contact. I suggested he look at this thread and a few others that let our feelings about Inquest be known.

When they put stuff on the cover (to entice you to buy) and it makes in on 1 page and that page is lacking something we like to call useful information or even entertainment, it spoils me from buying the mag. I'll swallow my pride to pick up the mag with the LE sendaways, but that's it.

It's like a comic book with a guest star that shows up for a panel. The only time something like that is entertaining is when a guy like Steven Seagal gets billing for Executive Decision only to get sucked out of the plane and the movie in the first 15 minutes. That's the only way it can work. Inquest shouldn't tease us with stuff we actually want and not deliver.

mercer

04/03/2003, 17:09

All those dopey "Top Ten" lists put out by Wizard Press are the result of somone being reminded it was due that day and then hurriedly banging it out on Word and sending it in. Inquest is a sad, sad publication and their opinions are neither informed nor honest. What's that? Keep it brief? Oh, OK....IT SUCKS!!!!!!

Key-gun

04/03/2003, 17:13

My top ten not in any order are Beast (V), Mandrin (V), Psylocke(V), Green Goblin, Sauron, paramedic (E), Gambit (V), Conartist (R), Doc. Samson (V)

Key-gun

04/03/2003, 17:15

sorry forgot one that would be Shadowcat (U)

ohoni

04/03/2003, 17:29

I have to say, we were all laughing at that list. Spidey at #1? No way. Here's how I'd rank'em.

1. Green Goblin
2. Taskmaster
3. Shadowcat
4. Doc Sampson
5. Beast
6. Abomination
7. Paramedic
8. Con Artist
9. Deathbird
10. Mandarin
11. Phoenix
12. Psylocke
13. Mystique
14. Crimson Dynamo
15. Daredevil

Thunderbolts

04/03/2003, 17:43

Weapon X made it onto the list. That's a pretty good indication of why Inquest should never be listened to ever again.

Rottgutt

04/03/2003, 17:54

This is actually kind of common practice for Inquest. They do it with Mage Knight and MechWarrior also and again seem like they have no idea how to play the game they're writing reviews for.

I've asked this before but I don't remember ever seeing an answer. Anyone out there play or used to play Magic and read Inquest? Can you tell me if their Magic advice is as faulty as their WizKids' game advice?

Key-gun

04/03/2003, 18:36

I have played spidey in a tournament and he was okay but is not top ten material as for the green goblin used him in a tournement to and he deserves a spot on the top 5 for sure.

ludd_gang

04/03/2003, 19:05

I like Inquest's humor, but the integrity of their reviews has sunk. They used to critique games rather than just hype them- I used to regard them as extremely fair. Now, I never buy based on their recomendations.

Notice how many U's are always on their lists? Makes their sponsors happy, I guess.

The Hawkeye team for 200 pts, convoluted scenarios, etc. give you the impression they don't HC much.

Still love reading the mag though, just not as much as I used to.

Mjolnir

04/03/2003, 19:20

Quote:
they put weapon X on it...he has to be one of the worst heroclix EVER!!!!
Who would you use? Weapon X, The Blob, Mad Hatter, or Constricter, Puppet Master, Kang, Skrull Commando, Black Widow, changeling, Black Manta, Parasite, SAWT Officer, or Boom-Boom?

I'm not impressed with him either but he is FAR from the worst clix ever.

Yes, their magic articles are much better... at least they were back in the dark ages when I played Magic.
They are about the same as I remember.

AdamWarlock

04/03/2003, 19:44

1. Spider-Man U (no way in heck. Just rating the uniques in the set and not even ALL figures he comes in for me as unique #8 out of 12; behind Sauron, Deathbird, Hulk, Elektra, Goblin, Phoenix, Shadowcat. He's ok but not GOOD)
2. Green Goblin U (no... he is GOOD but there are better but he would only rank in at unique #3; MIGHT rank top 10)
3. Destiny (Not this high. She's incredible utility but specialists suffer in that they can't do anything else; suffering too much to place so high)
4. Mystique (again; good but not THIS good)
5. Phoenix U (see above comment)
6. Shadowcat U (maybe top 10; I dunno... see my choices below)
7. Sauron U (higher, argh!)
8. Iron Man (no way, no how. 189 points should buy more than an AV of 7!)
9. Psylocke (definate top 10)
10. Elektra U (maybe top 10; we'll see in a second. Huge power but huge pricetag also is hard to use or justify)
11. Con Artist (a little lower for utility and push-requirement)
12. Weapon X (NO FREAKING WAY!!)
13. Beast (Maybe. Perplex is good but he can't do WAY too much else)
14. Taskmaster (HIGHER!! What's WRONG with Inquest?!?)
15. Doc Samson (Higher)
16. Daredevil (one of the BOTTOM ranking figures for me! He's way more expensive than the first REV daredevil because of his potential to do 2 incapacitates at once but at R & E he only has one click of it! Useless!!!!)

Now, my choices on these top 16:
1. Taskmaster
2. Sauron
3. Psylocke
4. Deathbird
5. Abomination (How DARE they ignore him)
6. Mandarin (also ignored; those fools)
7. Savage Hulk
8. Silver Samurai (fools to ignore this one too)
9. Mystique (vet's 4 clicks of perplex at such a price... mmm.)
10. Elektra Assassin
11. Crimson Dynamo
12. Paramedic
13. Doc Samson
14. Green Goblin
15. Storm
16. Shadowcat Unique

And now my choices for the BOTTOM 10 figures; note how many are Inquest's 16 best choices
10 WORST guys in set
10. Typhoid Mary (See Weapon X)
9. Lady Deathstrike (See Weapon X)
8. SWAT Officer (See Weapon X)
7. Hand Ninja: Long Range (see weapon X's x-planation)
6. Weapon X (at this point the figures really aren't BAD; they're just lower ranked than everybody else. It's a small set)
5. Scorpion (too little bang; the toughness doesn't matter since most logical opponents won't even attack him till the end anyway)
4. Iron Man (His stats just cripple him too much for his price. Con artists help boost him up sure; but except for in HUGE games or unless you're ready to have Iron Man be your ONLY figure that can do anything good on his own, you won't be able to afford them!!!)
3. SWAT Officer (close-range Incapacitate just doesn't do much good)
2. Daredevil (and he placed the top 16 for them?!?)
1. Hand Ninja (close range) R & E are useless IMHO

AdamWarlock

04/03/2003, 19:53

What the hay, I did this for myself when I was bored one day in classes and ranked all the REV figs in XP from 28-1; 28 worst and 1 best, this seems as appropriate a place to post it as anywhere.

HOW I GRADED EACH FIG, since they all have 3 versions: I rated R, E, & V for everybody on a scale of 1-10 and then averaged them for the figure as a whole. Whee. Ok, here we go; not numbering it because I'm lazy. Top of the list = BAD, bottom = good.

Hand Ninja: Close Range
Daredevil
SWAT Officer
Iron Man
Scorpion
Hand Ninja: Long range
SWAT Specialist
Typhoid Mary
Boom Boom / Meltdown
Colossus
Viper
Gambit
Beast
Con Artist
Iceman
Madame Masque
Destiny
Shadowcat
Storm
Doc Samson
Paramedic
Crimson Dynamo
Mystique
Silver Samurai
Mandarin
Abomination
Psylocke
Taskmaster

And now the uniques; 12-1; 12 is the top (bad) 1 is bottom (good)
Weapon-X
Lady Deathstrike
The Leader
Apocalypse
Spider Man
Phoenix
Elektra
Shadowcat
Green Goblin
Savage Hulk
Deathbird
Sauron

and you can see in my previous post more or less how those 2 lists combine

DarthJer

04/03/2003, 20:06

Originally posted by richjwood

*(#25)Gambit
*(#24)SWAT Specialist
*(#23)Hand Ninja Ranged
*(#22)Iron Man
*(#21)Iceman
*(#20)Spider-Man
*(#19)Hulk
*(#18)Phoenix
*(#17)Destiny
*(#16)Crimson Dynamo
*(#15)Psylocke
*(#14)Silver Samurai
*(#13)Deathbird
*(#12)Beast
*(#11)Con Artist
*(#10)Mystique
*(#09)Storm
*(#08)Shadowcat
*(#07)Paramedic
*(#06)Abomination
*(#05)Doc Samson
*(#04)Green Goblin
*(#03)Taskmaster
*(#02)Sauron
*(#01)Mandarin

I totally disagree RichWood! Slide Mandarin to third and then switch Goblin and Doc Samson...Otherwise, you have EXACTLY what I would rate figures from this set exactly...Veeeery creepy...

Ghost_Rider

04/03/2003, 20:51

Originally posted by DarthJer
I totally disagree RichWood! Slide Mandarin to third and then switch Goblin and Doc Samson...Otherwise, you have EXACTLY what I would rate figures from this set exactly...Veeeery creepy...

How can you TOTALLY disagree, but you switch two figures and have EXACTLY your picks? ;)

Anyway, they are nearly my picks as well.. The only thing different was that I have Savage Hulk instead of Doc Samson. Doc Samson is a good figure, no doubt about it, but I don't think he is the amazing figure everyone seems to make him out to be. Of course, Savage Hulk is expensive, but he is the only Hulk that really is playable. Not to mention, he has one of the wickedest sculpts to date. When you combine that with him being the hottest unique selling on eBay, he deserves the No. 5 spot.

Ghost

jjs-thump

04/03/2003, 22:08

green goblin is the number one guy in this set. taskmaster number two.

Mongoose

04/03/2003, 23:05

The Unique Phoenix sucks majorly. I would put Deathbird towards the top, and definitely Taskmaster. Taskmaster is a better version of Silver Samurai in my mind. Mandarin is a beast, and probably the next Firelord (Case scenario against Firelord: Outwit other Firelord's Flight, attack the one, and he will be screwed in order to get to you).

NewAge

04/03/2003, 23:17

If you guys read inquest alot then you'll notice that they are usually wrong about most of the things that they say are #1 and are the worst. so i really don't know what there doing i really can't say anything about xplosion because i haven't seen much of it i think personally that iron man is a pretty rockin click but that is because me and friends play a 3-d world when we play so it makes game play different

Darth Sabre

04/04/2003, 01:52

Wow, it's great to see everyones opinion on this. We all agree that Inquest sucks, but the clix selection is radically different. Herer are my picks:

#1- V Takmaster
#2-Green Goblin
#3-Mandarin
#4-Sauron
#5-V Doc Samson

These are the rest, in no particular order:

V Shadowcat (sorry, I like what you get from her, more than the U)
V Abomination
Shadowcat U
Hulk
Apocalypse (I see alot of potential here)
V Crimson Dynamo
V Gambit
Psylocke (as a group)
V Silver Samurai
Phoenix
Beast
Paramedic
Destiny
Mystique
Con Artist
E Taskmaster

Skarn

04/04/2003, 23:28

Vet Kang wasn't they're choice for IC, unless they made 2 lists. Thanos was 1, Juggs was 2, Hulk was 3 and Kang was 4 I think. Maybe swap 3 and 4. But yeah, I knew Inquest didn't know what they were talking about after the DC list.

gothix

04/04/2003, 23:36

Whoever did that article in Inquest is out of their mind!I think they were biased because Spiderman always came out on top.I laughed myself silly when I read the article.DO NOT BELIEVE THIS PERSON,HE IS ON CRACK! Thank you.:p :cool:

k0rnkid15

04/04/2003, 23:45

well i for one think this list is almost on target. mystique could be dropped a lil lower in the rank i guess, but besides that i think its 95% #### true!

bullseye100

04/05/2003, 00:09

what 95% true..the list was bogus man...

Funky Jett

04/05/2003, 00:17

Originally posted by Skarn
Vet Kang wasn't they're choice for IC, unless they made 2 lists. Thanos was 1, Juggs was 2, Hulk was 3 and Kang was 4 I think. Maybe swap 3 and 4. But yeah, I knew Inquest didn't know what they were talking about after the DC list.
I just copied what someone else said on that one. ANY list that has Juggernaut #2 is bogus as well. I had heard it was Kang because of his points only. They figured he had to be good for that cost. I'd love to play their editors in a game of HC.

Orpheus

04/05/2003, 02:35

Okay, we all agree he article is ####, including that stuff about the best teams (Best is the only Defender in Explosion ?! There are more Spidey Allies than Minions of Doom ?!?!).

But they are signed Jon Leitheusser & the Wizkids staff !!!

Is Inquest lying, did everybody go crazy, or what ???

(I'd really love a magazine about all the clix systems done by the right people, as proposed in another thread...)

Darth Sabre

04/05/2003, 02:53

Originally posted by k0rnkid15
well i for one think this list is almost on target. mystique could be dropped a lil lower in the rank i guess, but besides that i think its 95% #### true!

Really? Care to elaborate on how you see this?

k0rnkid15

04/05/2003, 12:20

for elektra: ya shes 160 points and shes screwed completely, but with wat she has its worth it, even tho id never use the stupid piece of #### they call elektra. the new spider-man is right on the money. con artist i hate but cheap perplex i guess could give her a rank. mystique i dont realy a gree with, but destiny #3 is good. low points, prob. control w/ super senses is pretty sweet. task master is awsome. i have E and V and i love it. ironman is very good, but ithink should switch places w/ shadow cat. pheonix is #### good, id field sauron if i had it, psylocke is very good, but id like to see storm on the list. thats my basic run down. u want me to explain more y i agree with them? just post.

EVIL CAP

04/05/2003, 12:51

You didnt say anything about the figures there all you did was say "X Character is really really good" over and over.The new Spidey is a good character but definately not number 1.His applications are to limited.He doesnt have enough range to be a good long range combat character he doesnt keep Super strength long enough for a character with no Charge to really put it too good use up close[in fact without TK its almost useless] and his Defend while a nice bonus could be done cheaper wth rk Invisable girl

other examples

Destiny is only good in the rk form and is very vulnerable she can stay alive by being easy to heal and Super Senses/PC combo but you have to babysit her the entire match to make sure she remains useful.Id rather have Black Cat still personally with a Bat-teamer so shes safe.Basically Destiny is a irt cheap alternitive for the black cat that you take if you cant afford her.Good maybe top 20 but its JUST a support character

Mystique is also good but only worth the price as a rk.Shes slightly more expsnsive than Harely but a better bet to field because of Stealth and free move.However a SINGLE POINT to another character is not enough to be ranked above characters like Crimson Dynamo Manderain the cost effective Storm or the all powerful Taskmasters

Finally weapon X is complete carp.Totally useless just a Logan that attacks twice through willpower instead of flurry and isnt even that good at it.It got ranked solely because of the name associated wth it.The same thing with the Daredevil/Electra figure as well only ranked because its connected to a popular comic [or movie pardon] figure and its SHAMELESSLY obvious at that

Darth Sabre

04/05/2003, 12:56

k0rnkid15> I 'm not picking on you. I was just hoping that since you agreed with the article (and were the only one to really state that), that you would add your points on why. So thanks' for being the devil's advocate! ;)

Evil Cap> Great rebuttle.

k0rnkid15

04/05/2003, 13:00

i think they put destiny so high because of wat she can do. spider-man was #1 because he is such a big improvement from the other ones that people would indeed want him, plus his stars are worth the points and completely correct. green goblin #2 maybe because people wanted him alot, even tho its the ultimate one. he has willpower all threw out, superstrength, energy explosion and perplex for only 62 points. id say thats worth to be in the top 5 on my list.

k0rnkid15

04/05/2003, 13:01

hey no problem ;)

Darth Sabre

04/05/2003, 13:05

I agree with the Green Goblin ranking. I think what you get, for the cost is extraordinary.

Spidey, however should not be ranked up there simply because he is a flagship character, and because he is a big improvement over his previous versions. I would be hard-pressed to use the webspinner on a tourney team, as anything more than a third option.

To be ranked up that high, you should be the meat and potatoes of a team, NOT a third rate option or a support figure. This is what drives the players on this board crazy with the Inquest rankings.

TheFallenOne

04/05/2003, 13:24

well i cant believe that the paramedic isnt on the list. every tournament team has a medic and this chick has the highest AV and cheapest point cost. how could she not make the list? ill tell you why

THE LIST IS GOING TO HAVE AS MANY "BIG NAME" CHARACTERS AS POSSIBLE

k0rnkid15

04/05/2003, 14:06

i for 1 would like to see paramedic on the list

*!Arkangel!*

04/05/2003, 14:26

I play Magic too, and Inquest's Magic coverage is usually pretty good....But their heroclix coverage is pure ####.....They should really get somebody that knows something about the game to write reviews and army builders.....It would be nice to have one of those Stumpers articles on Heroclix rules and rulings at the back of the mag like they have for Magic( Written by an actual Heroclix judge)......It would also be nice to have a column occasionally like their "Ask the random Magic creature" even every couple of months.....I think the best way to accomplish this is to do like Zerous did and email the senior inquest (or Wizard) editor with our beefs, and a link to this thread.......Or if anyone knows how to make one, an online petition for some QUALITY Heroclix content might be a good plan too......We could sure get a lot of signatures from this site, and I'm sure Inquest would add better content if they found that five or ten thousand of their readers want better Heroclix coverage.......:)

W10002

04/05/2003, 14:52

I personally don't care which is the best or not. Because it may just be that people who rank figures such as Taskmaster at the top can't really use him effectively enough to call him the best figure. I have Sauron, and I love his abilities, but if you don't use him correctly, he might not be one of the best figure overall. Heck, if you could use Mr. Fantastic properly (which I don't think is possible), you might find him as the best figure overall.

It all comes down to versertiliy and playability. Some characters, such as Kang, can be played very well to a seasoned player. But others may not know how to utilize Kang properly. And most likely, the people who can't use Kang effectively will find him worthless because he's too expensive. BUt the people who can play Kang will say he's one of the best figures because he is worth the points or because he has such great abilities. If there's a figure where everyone can use effectively, I'm sure it'll be on everyone's list.

As for Spider-Man Unique being the top of the list, well... I have him, and I really don't see him being the best. He may be the best if played correctly, but he lacks the Spider-Man ability, and that's something I really think hurts the figure overall. Now if he had the Spider-Man team ability, then I think he might be far more useful than he is now...

Ghost_Rider

04/05/2003, 16:02

The new Spider-Man is the best out of all the Spider-men so far. Is he the best figure in Xplosion? No. Although he is very playable and I do like him a lot. The only reason why he made number one is from a marketing standpoint. They want to sell HeroClix and Spider-Man is the biggest seller.

The article supposedly was written by Wizkids staff, but somewhere along the line the information got entirely wrong. I'm not sure if Wizkids is to blame or Inquest, but if it is true that Wizkids did write the piece, then they should be very ashamed of themselves for putting out inaccurate information on their products. If Inquest is to blame, then Wizkids should insist on a different writer in future issues.

Ghost

LardoFutardo

04/05/2003, 20:25

isn't the popularity of heroclix enough to necessitate a mag of its own? i know i'd buy it, but then again it'd be hard to come up with a magazines worth of content

Ghost_Rider

04/05/2003, 20:38

There wouldn't be enough HeroClix information for an entire magazine, but if Wizkids made a magazine that covered all of their games, that would definitely be enough. ;)

Ghost

sclubstephen

04/06/2003, 00:43

i like how inquest lists phoenix #5 and lists every one of her powers except for the fact that she has a 12 range which really makes her special. only one of two characters to have that.

bcp001

04/06/2003, 01:31

I have nearly completed the set and have tried to use all of them.

Taskmaster is a machine
Savage Hulk will dominate a game (at 201pts he should)
Green Goblin is incredible

S.W.A.T. officers are terrain

but the worst fig of the entire set.... DESTINY (any color)

If you waste 20+ on a fig that can't defend it's self from a R-Thug you're a fool. Yeah sure she has probibility control and super senses, yet when the game comes down to 2 figs, your opponent's beat-up on his last click T.O.Morrow and your unhurt Destiny what's going to happen?

You're going to lose.

Thunderbolts

04/06/2003, 11:42

Yeah, because Destiny is purchased to be an _offensive_ fig. -_-

Some people gotta learn...

Ghost_Rider

04/06/2003, 11:42

Originally posted by bcp001
but the worst fig of the entire set.... DESTINY (any color)

If you waste 20+ on a fig that can't defend it's self from a R-Thug you're a fool. Yeah sure she has probibility control and super senses, yet when the game comes down to 2 figs, your opponent's beat-up on his last click T.O.Morrow and your unhurt Destiny what's going to happen?

You're going to lose.

Well, the idea is not to be stuck with Destiny as your final character. With her Probability Control, she should be helping others during battles and if she keeps rolling again for the times that you miss, she is doing her job. And she is dirt cheap. Personally, I still like E Black Cat better, but Destiny isn't the worst figure in the set. I would rather have her on my team than that SHIELD with the no range Incapacitate. Destiny makes much better terrain with her Super Senses, and she can reroll dice to boot.

Ghost

Noman

04/06/2003, 12:27

Destiny rocks. Boarders on an absolutely essential figure - not quite up there with Firelord and Invisible Girl Rookie, but not far off...

...and I just read the Inquest mag - to qoute Beetle, from elsewhere on site "Bwhahaaahhaa !"

Obviously it's not written by JonL, and I SERIOUSLY doubt it was written by anyone who has played the game, let alone played the Xplosion figures.

Written BY 12 year olds FOR 12 year olds.

(Hey Inquest, what do you mean I can't have my Green Lantern LE ???
I - sob - I think - grizzle - I think I'm going to - big intake of breath - CRY !!!)

(ummm, there was Ironic Humour in that post, guys, don't sue me....)

All the Best

Noman