Road to Wrestlemania

[Fredwood]

Seeing as the Royal Rumble is tonight, and it officially starts a new "Season" of the year, plus I never get to start one of these threads, I figured I'd start one.

I'll start with Rumble predictions who ya got, what will be the major storylines in the match?

Personally I can only see 2 people winning it; Jericho setting up Punk v Jericho or Orton, being that its in St. Louis, just makes sense.

I feel one of the storylines in this match is how well Drew Mcyntire will do in the match. I could see him being one of the first few and lasting quite a long time possibly being the surprise member of the final four (maybe I wouldn't go that far) but it just seems like this is the best opportunity they'll have to turn him around as they shouldn't focus a lot of time on him setting up for Wrestlemania. I could be wrong and he could challenge Santino for his 1 second elimination time. Funkasaurus will be in the match by himself at one point so he can dance, that's just a given.

Surprise entrant, this is more difficult: last year there was 2, I'm not even sure who it could be this year. I don't see Batista or Lesnar, even as they're available it's too early I think for both of them. I'm actually looking forward to seeing who it will be.

Kane eliminations: 4 (one of them being Funkasaurus), breaking Michaels record. I know he has a match, but can they really have a Rumble w/o Kane? I could see that match opening the show giving them both time to recoop, as I don't see them having it w/o Cena as well.

Final Four: Jericho, Orton, Barrett, Cena

Matches:
Kane v. Cena - Kane wins, Cena eliminates Kane in the Rumble.

Henry v Show v Bryan - I don't see Bryan losing the title, but I don't know how they're going to give him the actual victory without him actually winning, I could see him getting a sneaky chicken #### escape, but it still gives him the W, so I don't know how this this gets booked.

Punk v Ziggler - as much as I think Ziggler is ready, I don't see him as the guy to headline Wrestlemania yet. There's about a 100 percent chance that Johnny Ace gets put into an Anaconda Vice.

[JDub]

My picks for the Rumble are either Jericho or Cody Rhodes.

Surprise entrant? No idea. Maybe Rock to take out Cena?

[Fredwood]

My picks for the Rumble are either Jericho or Cody Rhodes.

Surprise entrant? No idea. Maybe Rock to take out Cena?

Yeah that makes sense, they haven't done anything with Rock leading up to this, almost forgot about it, there has to be some interplay between those two. I don't know if he can actually be in the match, you can't really have someone eliminate him, he needs to be a monster all the way into WM because you have so few times to use him.

[Grinner]

Henry v Show v Bryan - I don't see Bryan losing the title, but I don't know how they're going to give him the actual victory without him actually winning, I could see him getting a sneaky chicken #### escape, but it still gives him the W, so I don't know how this this gets booked.

I totally see either:

1) Show & Henry double KO, Bryan escapes

2) Bryan climbs out while Show/Henry pins the other, landing outside just before the last of the three-count.

[Bubblehead]

Hoping John Morrison "comes back" and is a surprise entrant.

Personally I think Sheamus can win it. Eliminating Jericho and Kane at the end.

Which means he won't win it. We all know Jericho has been twittering his hate onto Punk. Seems like that's the next step so it could very well be Jericho. Why come back unless you can be on the grandest stage of them all?

[zyxba]

Jericho, Orton, Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Sheamus would be my top 5 picks for Rumble winner, without any surprise entrants. If Christian comes back, I could see him sneaking it out. Or something odd like Lesnar or Rock.

[JDKenada]

I expect Henry/Show (assuming Henry even makes it to the match with his injury) to take themselves out with some crazy move thus allowing Bryan to win. Or, someone decks Bryan near the door and he falls out (thus winning).

Punk beats Ziggler in what I expect to an amazing match.

Kane defeats Cena, dragging this storyline out even further. I think it carries on to the Elimination Chamber, where it will then end.

Rumble winner? Jericho, Orton, or The Miz. The only reason I include the last one in there is because he's been buried for the last half year really and needs to get on track. What better way to instantly build him back up than to have him go 1-win?

Returns? Christian, John Morrison...and maybe Goldust to cost Cody Rhodes the match. It would set up the feud and allow them to build towards the career vs title match (which I'd like to see at 'Mania but probably won't happen).

[Sykishi]

im hoping either Cody wins or someone OTHER than Jericho.

In fact, i think to continue jerichos trolling, everyone will be looking for him to be in the rumble. I think he shouldn't even be in it.

Imagine this, his music is played as entrant number 5-9 and he never shows so they skip to the next guy, the play it again somewhere between 14-19 and again no show. play it a third time 22-27 and no show.

And end that with either coming out at 30 or not going at all. I think that would really make people mark out.

[JackAssterson]

Should have done a realms rumble game. Only thought of it at the last second, dangit.

[JDKenada]

Should have done a realms rumble game. Only thought of it at the last second, dangit.

Rumble pools are always fun. :cool:

[JDub]

I can see Big Show beating down Bryan, then AJ comes out and begs him to stop because he hurt him. Big Show realizes he hurt someone else again and starts to break down then either AJ low blows Big Show or Bryan nails Big Show with a chair and escapes. Depends on if they want to make AJ heel too or not.

[Sykishi]

I can see Big Show beating down Bryan, then AJ comes out and begs him to stop because he hurt him. Big Show realizes he hurt someone else again and starts to break down then either AJ low blows Big Show or Bryan nails Big Show with a chair and escapes. Depends on if they want to make AJ heel too or not.

Im pretty sure keyfab is that big show turned her bones to dust, so i would be surprised if she came back so soon.

I really dont think Bryan will be losing the title for a while.

[JDub]

Im pretty sure keyfab is that big show turned her bones to dust, so i would be surprised if she came back so soon.

I really dont think Bryan will be losing the title for a while.

She can still have like an arm sling or even a neck brace on or something. Orton can come back in what 2-3 weeks and wrestle, I don't she why she couldn't when she only got knocked down basically.

[zyxba]

I drifted off for a sec and missed Alex Riley being in the rumble. Oh man...

[NeoShazam]

Final 4 is...

Orton, Jericho, Sheamus, Big Show

[Sykishi]

well i can't say this wasent a surprise ending.

I CAN say its not an ending i want. Lobster head going to wrastlemania. So much for the end of the world jericho.

[JackAssterson]

Aw, man.

Good for him.

But dammit. I was rooting for Y2J.

[JDKenada]

Aw, man.

Good for him.

But dammit. I was rooting for Y2J.

Honestly, the second he came out I thought you'd be pulling for Kofi.

[JackAssterson]

Honestly, the second he came out I thought you'd be pulling for Kofi.

I was rooting for his outfit!

[michiganj24]

So Lawler actually got it right??? thats a bit anticliamtic....I mean Shemaus has what cool feud
Sheamus/Punk??
Shemaus/Bryan??

Shemaus/Taker??

[zyxba]

So Lawler actually got it right??? thats a bit anticliamtic....I mean Shemaus has what cool feud
Sheamus/Punk??
Shemaus/Bryan??

Shemaus/Taker??

Those are all fresh feuds at least.

Or Mark Henry wins the title back at Elimination Chamber, and we get restart on the promising Sheamus/Mark Henry, Jericho/Punk, and still have room for other stuff. The real main event is going to be Cena/Rock anyways...

[The Darkstone]

Still can't believe Sheamus won.

[lensnart]

THat was a letdown of a finish, but it was a solid Rumble. I don't really get that choice, but it could work as a continuation of Bryan outsmarting and eluding the monsters.

I enjoy the whole David vs Goliath thing, but with the twist that you are supposed to root for Goliath. Bryan has actually managed to create a character that is an underdog overcoming great odds while remaining a bad guy. When you think about it, it is actually a pretty interesting angle.

[michiganj24]

Promising Sheamus Henry series?? Sorry but I dont want to see those guys match up again...I would hope his injruy jeeps him out till after Mania

Yeah they are fresh but nothing buzzworthy

I just hope this doesnt mean HHH comes back screws Punk and we get Sheamus HHH
Those are all fresh feuds at least.

Or Mark Henry wins the title back at Elimination Chamber, and we get restart on the promising Sheamus/Mark Henry, Jericho/Punk, and still have room for other stuff. The real main event is going to be Cena/Rock anyways...

[JDub]

Nothing against Sheamus but it just makes Jericho's "the world is going to end" thing seem pointless. I mean if he wasn't going to win then not have him even say it. So stupid.

There were a lot of surprise entrants and guys who got eliminated before the next entrant came out, I like that kind of stuff you have to keep the hour or so match interesting, but why not have it be 40 again this year? Seems like a lot of guys could have been in it (no Kane, no Cena, no Mark Henry?). I'd rather seen Funkasaurus in the match instead of a pointless squash match (how many damn times do we have to see Drew lose?).

[lensnart]

Promising Sheamus Henry series?? Sorry but I dont want to see those guys match up again...I would hope his injruy jeeps him out till after Mania

Yeah they are fresh but nothing buzzworthy

I just hope this doesnt mean HHH comes back screws Punk and we get Sheamus HHH

Oh god that would be the worst thing ever. You know Hunter is going to insert himself in there somewhere. I just hope for the best case scenario of another forgettable joke match with Nash or Road Dogg or one of his other friends that nobody cares about anymore. But most likely he will make himself fight Punk, give himself a win over Taker, or make himself special referee in Cena vs Rock.

Absolute best case scenario is Hunter comes back tells Laurenites that he is doing a great job and then goes away again forever.

[Grinner]

I was very disappointed that Kane wasn't in the match. First Rumble in my son's lifetime without Kane :(

[JackAssterson]

I was very disappointed that Kane wasn't in the match.

Yeah, Kane should always be there.

[lensnart]

Nothing against Sheamus but it just makes Jericho's "the world is going to end" thing seem pointless. I mean if he wasn't going to win then not have him even say it. So stupid.

There were a lot of surprise entrants and guys who got eliminated before the next entrant came out, I like that kind of stuff you have to keep the hour or so match interesting, but why not have it be 40 again this year? Seems like a lot of guys could have been in it (no Kane or Cena?). I'd rather seen Funkasaurus in the match instead of a pointless squash match (how many damn times do we have to see Drew lose?).

Agreed about the 40 man thing.
Guys that didn't compete: Clay, Cena, Kane, Bryan, Punk, Slater, McIntyre, Reks, Hawkins, Curtis, Jimmy Uso, Tatsu, Barretta, Henry, Nash, Bateman, a super beat up Zak Ryder being wheeled down and rolled into the ring, Regal, Goldust, Ryan, Kidd, a one-armed Dibiase.

With the three announcers, Road Dogg, Hacksaw, Ricardo (though I loved every second of it), Foley, and Santino, it felt like a 1/3 of the competitors were just joke or novelty competitors. It was still solid, but of the 25 Rumbles it would be in the bottom half for me. It reminded me a bit of the post steroid scandal Rumbles that had like 12 luchadores on one day contracts.

[JDKenada]

Henry is hurt. I'm impressed he even did as much of the cage match as he did, to be honest.

I'm expecting Triple H and Taker again this year, to be honest. Not sure that I want it, but that's what I expect.

Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan could give us the match we were supposed to have last year at Mania (US Title).

[michiganj24]

Of course I had hoped we would see a Mania with DX versus the BOD. I mean I dont want yet another HHH Taker match and almost anything else will be a let down....so why not ....it would be nearly as big as Rock/Cena(at least to the wrestling fans
Oh god that would be the worst thing ever. You know Hunter is going to insert himself in there somewhere. I just hope for the best case scenario of another forgettable joke match with Nash or Road Dogg or one of his other friends that nobody cares about anymore. But most likely he will make himself fight Punk, give himself a win over Taker, or make himself special referee in Cena vs Rock.

Absolute best case scenario is Hunter comes back tells Laurenites that he is doing a great job and then goes away again forever.

[lensnart]

Of course I had hoped we would see a Mania with DX versus the BOD. I mean I dont want yet another HHH Taker match and almost anything else will be a let down....so why not ....it would be nearly as big as Rock/Cena(at least to the wrestling fans

Undertaker getting his 20-0 in a tag match would be awful, and against a team that was lame even when they were cool and is past a joke now would be even worse. I can't think of anything that would be more of a let down than DX vs BOD. I would rather see Taker in a three way match with Sky-Low-Low and Bastion Booger. I would rather see a hockey stick on a pole match vs The Goon. Heck I would rather see a who can dress up more like a glazed ham contest against Mantaur, and Mantaur is unbeatable in that match. (seriously look up Mantaur and bask in the glazed hamness of his unitard).

Undertaker matches that would be less of a let down than a DX vs Brothers of Destruction match include any singles match against any person in the world that was not in DX.

The only match that really makes sense for him to go out on is Undertaker Vs Kane. There have never been two wrestlers that were that connected for that long. The big guy finishing it up against his little brother just makes sense. Also Kane is still in decent shape so it could actually be an okay match.

[JDKenada]

The only match that really makes sense for him to go out on is Undertaker Vs Kane. There have never been two wrestlers that were that connected for that long. The big guy finishing it up against his little brother just makes sense. Also Kane is still in decent shape so it could actually be an okay match.

There's also Taker and Jericho, which I think they only ever had one match on SmackDown...to say nothing of Cena/Lesnar vs Taker. Any of those would work but I'm also realistic enough to know that none of the above will be happening (shy of in a video game) at 'Mania.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to see dX vs BoD but I certainly don't want another Kane/Taker match either.

[The BoyBlunder]

How about Taker wins a casket match for his 20th win, only for Kane to come out and dump him into a casket?

[Peers]

I'm truly hoping that Sheamus comes out to announce he's going for the title only one person can win, and it can only be won once: He wants to break the Streak. HHH takes offense, giving him something to do for Elimination Chamber, and then Sheamus/Taker at Mania.

[Sykishi]

How about Taker wins a casket match for his 20th win, only for Kane to come out and dump him into a casket?

What needs to happen is to bring out a up and commer big guy, and he turns out to be takers son or the chosen one to take on the takers mantle.

taker wins at mania vs a young guy like woi barrot or sheamus(he might not ask for a title shot) and then his son comes out and taker turns into smoke and the kid is dressed in takers coat and hat and hes taker 2.0.

[coyotejack]

I enjoy the whole David vs Goliath thing, but with the twist that you are supposed to root for Goliath. Bryan has actually managed to create a character that is an underdog overcoming great odds while remaining a bad guy. When you think about it, it is actually a pretty interesting angle.

Totally agree! I can't wait to bust out my Bryan signs at Smackdown! :)

As for surprise entrants, everyone that came over got to pick one. My wife got hers: Road Dogg! I chose Taker. Other picks included Brock Lesnar, The Rock, and Golddust (which I almost didn't let them have because I thought it was a no-brainer he'd be in...apparently not).

[Fredwood]

Didn't see Sheamus winning, but oh well, bit of a let down, decent enough Rumble though.

Road Dogg showed up for the Slammies and did something for the hall of fame last year so I wasn't that surprised when he did show up, nice to see him back in the ring. Kharma was a bit of a surprise and I liked her in the match.

The biggest dissapointment was the lack of Kane, I mean really 13 straight Rumbles, and they're just going to end it, why couldn't he have been 30 in stead of Show? Or 27 instead of Otunga or that one Uso. Are they really trying to protect Shawn Michaels record of total eliminations? If so that's pathetic, those things literally mean nothing.

Punk Ziggler wasn't as good as I thought it would be, wasn't a bad match but w/e, having him beat him 4 times in one match did nothing to help Ziggler at all. The Cage match was alright but I didn't see the win as a chicken #### win, but a solid Cage victory. Henry still showing up to work and taking the bumps he did is very impressive.

[Sigdr]

What needs to happen is to bring out a up and commer big guy, and he turns out to be takers son or the chosen one to take on the takers mantle.

taker wins at mania vs a young guy like woi barrot or sheamus(he might not ask for a title shot) and then his son comes out and taker turns into smoke and the kid is dressed in takers coat and hat and hes taker 2.0.
Russo, is that you? :cheeky:

[Sheeplover]

Russo, is that you? :cheeky:

Yeah, they can call him the "ShockTaker."

[JDKenada]

The problem with being firewalled at work is when you have an epiphany four hours before RAW is set to start, you can't share it. It's worse when it turns out to be right.

Though I do like HHH "turning him down" at this point.

[Fredwood]

Getting annoyed trying to tape Raw, its supposed tape an hour over but it still only does the 5 minutes over and everything keeps getting cut off.

[Arsenalroy2k]

On tonight's Raw, I am perfectly content with Taker calling out HHH for Wrestlemania for the same reason as last year: If they face each other, then they can't face anyone else and ruin them.

[michiganj24]

Mehh I hope HH pulls a quad and they substitute Bastion Booger
On tonight's Raw, I am perfectly content with Taker calling out HHH for Wrestlemania for the same reason as last year: If they face each other, then they can't face anyone else and ruin them.

[Peers]

I still hold out hope for HHH turning him down so Shaemus can face him. If anyone deserves to end it at this point, it's him.

[vamroc]

I still hold out hope for HHH turning him down so Shaemus can face him. If anyone deserves to end it at this point, it's him.

I love Shaemus too but, LIKE HELL HE DOES I can think of only a hand full people who deserve to end the streak.
HHH
Orton
STSA
The Rock
Mick Foley
*Wade Barrett

*Taker is coaching Wade PERSONALLY so at some point "The student must become the master" and the only way that can happen if Barrett beats The Undertaker at Mania.

[JackAssterson]

Gobbeldygooker or nobody beats the streak.

[michiganj24]

Sorry Orton DOES NOT deserve to end it....He is not in the category of the others. He is below a whole host of others that are in the WWE
I love Shaemus too but, LIKE HELL HE DOES I can think of only a hand full people who deserve to end the streak.
HHH
Orton
STSA
The Rock
Mick Foley
*Wade Barrett

*Taker is coaching Wade PERSONALLY so at some point "The student must become the master" and the only way that can happen if Barrett beats The Undertaker at Mania.

[vamroc]

Sorry Orton DOES NOT deserve to end it....He is not in the category of the others. He is below a whole host of others that are in the WWE

I never said Orton was at the top of the list but given the current crop o' crap (excluding Kane and a few others) Orton's name should be in the conversation.

[michiganj24]

To me guys like Jericho, Cena or even Punk would be more up there to me
I never said Orton was at the top of the list but given the current crop o' crap (excluding Kane and a few others) Orton's name should be in the conversation.

[JDKenada]

Taker should go 20-0 and retire. Said it after he went 15-0 and I stand by it now. To suggest someone should end the streak at this point is just silly. No one deserves to end it. Nobody.

[Sheeplover]

Whatever happened to the tradition of going out on your back? If Undertaker truly is a company man and all around good guy, he should do the right thing and lose.

People wonder why wrestling sucks now. I give you exhibit #1: The Streak.

[JackAssterson]

Whatever happened to the tradition of going out on your back? If Undertaker truly is a company man and all around good guy, he should do the right thing and lose.


I don't think there's a person in that company who'd be willing to do it. It's his legacy. He'll be going out, and probably fairly soon, but it'll be undefeated at Wrestlemania.

[JGonspy]

Gobbeldygooker or nobody beats the streak.

I would prefer the newly returned (http://www.bedofnailz.com/nextPWS.html) Shockmaster.

[Arsenalroy2k]

I don't think there's a person in that company who'd be willing to do it. It's his legacy. He'll be going out, and probably fairly soon, but it'll be undefeated at Wrestlemania.

Exactly, and I'd add that one of the reasons the streak should end at 20-0 is because there's no one on the roster that could live up to the kind of accolade that ending the streak would provide. Plus, the young guys can't believably pull it off, and the veterans don't need it.

[Fredwood]

I would prefer the newly returned (http://www.bedofnailz.com/nextPWS.html) Shockmaster.

lol Sid vs Matt Hardy.

[vamroc]

To me guys like Jericho, Cena or even Punk would be more up there to me

I'd definitely put Jericho & Punk on that short list of people who could fight Taker in "that" match without Taker having to cover for how bad they are. While Cena just wouldn't look credible on a big stage because Cena knows like one hold "The STFU". Taker on the other hand knows like 20 different counters to that hold and probably just as many ways to reverse it.

[michiganj24]

Actually unlike Hogan Cena does know more....But sadly the WWE does not want him to do more than that...because they feel it works I'd definitely put Jericho & Punk on that short list of people who could fight Taker in "that" match without Taker having to cover for how bad they are. While Cena just wouldn't look credible on a big stage because Cena knows like one hold "The STFU". Taker on the other hand knows like 20 different counters to that hold and probably just as many ways to reverse it.

[JDKenada]

Let's not even start on the "Cena doesn't know how to wrestle" nonsense. Does he have the 5 moves of doom? Yes. Does nearly every other roster member have something similar? Yes. It's the WWE style. If anything, just complain (and rightly so) that he gets booked badly as Super Cena.

As for Hogan, go watch some of his New Japan stuff. He could actually wrestle, but realized quickly he could make a tonne of money without actually having to.

Taker has every right to retire 20-0. If you really think he's not a company man just because he won't lie down at Mania and end the streak, then I firmly believe no amount of factual information otherwise will change your opinion.

[vamroc]

Taker has every right to retire 20-0. If you really think he's not a company man just because he won't lie down at Mania and end the streak, then I firmly believe no amount of factual information otherwise will change your opinion.

You'll get no argument from me DAMN RIGHT he should go 20-0 but it's not about lying down maybe Taker is tired of having to defend it. It must be such an emotional drain on The Undertaker that loosing almost seems like freedom. It's a HUGE burden to be the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Taker is the only active wrestler left in the WWE to be on THE FIRST EPISODE OF RAW, he's got nothing else to prove, and I think part of him WANTS to know what it's like to loose simply because IT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

[JDKenada]

You'll get no argument from me DAMN RIGHT he should go 20-0 but it's not about lying down maybe Taker is tired of having to defend it. It must be such an emotional drain on The Undertaker that loosing almost seems like freedom. It's a HUGE burden to be the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Taker is the only active wrestler left in the WWE to be on THE FIRST EPISODE OF RAW, he's got nothing else to prove, and I think part of him WANTS to know what it's like to loose simply because IT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

What burden could he have? 20 is a nice round number to retire on and I'd say once it hit between 15-17 the idea was probably started for him to retire at 20-0 (once they started doing the math). If he didn't want to do it, he could easily turn them (and the 'Mania financial payoff) down. Again, he's more than earned the right.

[Sheeplover]

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man. It is the character that, for me, has ran it's course. Asking me to drop large amounts of coin on Mania is not a problem. But asking me to pay that money for a match that everyone knows what the outcome will be doesn't make alot of sense. And if the match is the same quality as the last year's snoozefest, Lord only knows how screwed I will feel. Those guys were sucking so much wind that I had oxygen deprivation sitting in my living room.

[zyxba]

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man. It is the character that, for me, has ran it's course. Asking me to drop large amounts of coin on Mania is not a problem. But asking me to pay that money for a match that everyone knows what the outcome will be doesn't make alot of sense. And if the match is the same quality as the last year's snoozefest, Lord only knows how screwed I will feel. Those guys were sucking so much wind that I had oxygen deprivation sitting in my living room.

I'm one of the others (apparently in the large minority) that hated that match.

That being said, wrestling is supposed to be left on your back. So either Undertaker loses at Wrestlemania to try and elevate a guy (Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus?) or has a feud after Mania putting him out.

Anything else just feels like a waste.

[Arsenalroy2k]

That being said, wrestling is supposed to be left on your back. So either Undertaker loses at Wrestlemania to try and elevate a guy (Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus?) or has a feud after Mania putting him out.

Anything else just feels like a waste.

But is he really leaving? I imagine even if he goes 20-0 and retires from active competition he's probably lined up for some gig backstage. He wouldn't be leaving wrestling, just the in-ring stuff.

[Fredwood]

But is he really leaving? I imagine even if he goes 20-0 and retires from active competition he's probably lined up for some gig backstage. He wouldn't be leaving wrestling, just the in-ring stuff.


It still counts as going out. I understand the reticence to have him lose at WM, but a loss to end his career at any other event doesn't mean much . I mean sure whomever ends his career will get that rub. I don't find him anymore legendary than Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock (the last time and more than likely this time), and Austin who all jobbed to end their career, at some point he'll have to put someone over abd hopefully its a younger guy. At the same time, where this is all coming from, nothing would put as much heat on a young heel as beating the streak and ending his career.

Does he deserve it? Eh not sure, I mean its not like he's had anything to do with the streak, he just got lucky early on with booking, and in a rigged game going undefeated isn't that impressive of an accomplishment, but with as much as they build it up it would be a special moment if it were to end and much more memorable then any random win they could throw at us. To me if he wins 20 and retires, the high point of the whole thing would have been 4 years ago, and having him go out on a down note is more of a disservice than some fake number they shove down our throats.

I'm one of the others (apparently in the large minority) that hated that match.

That being said, wrestling is supposed to be left on your back. So either Undertaker loses at Wrestlemania to try and elevate a guy (Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus?) or has a feud after Mania putting him out.

Anything else just feels like a waste

I didn't hate the match but wasn't in love with it either, they took every shortcut in the book except color. However there were some decent moments in the match, but it went on entirely too long and they were hamming it up more than they should of, trying to make a moment out of it.

[vamroc]

I don't find him anymore legendary than Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock (the last time and more than likely this time), and Austin

.

The Undertaker has beaten ALL OF THEM that is what makes him the unofficial GOD OF WRESTLING and he's brought more innovation to Wrestling then anyone else in the industry
DRAGON SLEEPER
TRIANGLE CHOKE
TOMBSTONE PILE DRIVER
CHOKE SLAM
THE ROPE WALK ARM LOCK (Old School)
THE DECAPITATION LEG DROP (When Taker JUMPS from the ring and leg drops to the arena floor)
His whole charactor is responsible for bring MicK Folly to the WWE as MANKIND
If it wasn't for The Undertaker KANE would still be ISSAC YANK'EM (a name I'm sure he'd wish we'd all forget)

The Undertaker has fought in
THE FIRST HELL IN A CELL
The Casket Match
The Punjabi Prison Match against THE BIG SHOW
The Buried Alive Match (only reason Taker lost is because Kane ambushed him)
The Fire Matches Against Kane

The Undertaker is a winner of BOTH The Royal Rumble & THE ELIMINATION CHAMBER

Beat Edge in a TLC match

The entire carrier of The Undertaker is like watching the best moments of Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock, Austin, and HHH, only BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM.

[Sheeplover]

The entire carrier of The Undertaker is like watching the best moments of Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock, Austin, and HHH, only BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM.

The wrestlers mentioned above could make a barstool look good in a wrestling match. Even a seven foot tall barstool.

[The BoyBlunder]

The wrestlers mentioned above could make a barstool look good in a wrestling match. Even a seven foot tall barstool.

Is that to say that they are good workers? Or that anyone looks good next to them?

[JDKenada]

The Undertaker has beaten ALL OF THEM that is what makes him the unofficial GOD OF WRESTLING and he's brought more innovation to Wrestling then anyone else in the industry
DRAGON SLEEPER
TRIANGLE CHOKE
TOMBSTONE PILE DRIVER
CHOKE SLAM
THE ROPE WALK ARM LOCK (Old School)
THE DECAPITATION LEG DROP (When Taker JUMPS from the ring and leg drops to the arena floor)
His whole charactor is responsible for bring MicK Folly to the WWE as MANKIND
If it wasn't for The Undertaker KANE would still be ISSAC YANK'EM (a name I'm sure he'd wish we'd all forget)

The Undertaker has fought in
THE FIRST HELL IN A CELL
The Casket Match
The Punjabi Prison Match against THE BIG SHOW
The Buried Alive Match (only reason Taker lost is because Kane ambushed him)
The Fire Matches Against Kane

The Undertaker is a winner of BOTH The Royal Rumble & THE ELIMINATION CHAMBER

Beat Edge in a TLC match

The entire carrier of The Undertaker is like watching the best moments of Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock, Austin, and HHH, only BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM.

I'm starting to think I'm getting trolled here.

I don't find him anymore legendary than Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock (the last time and more than likely this time), and Austin who all jobbed to end their career,
Hart didn't job out to anyone. He got concussed infamously by Goldberg. Austin...who did he job to before his neck? The only name that comes to mind is The Rock and that was at Wrestlemania XIX. Who did Flair job to? Shawn Michaels, the guy he asked to have "end it" (at least in WWE. Meanwhile, Michaels laid down in his final match against Taker. That leaves Foley and Rock. Yes, both are at the point of elevating talent, so I'll give you that. But the rest? Not quite as clear cut as it comes across.

Taker and Michaels were the two most loyal company guys through the thick and thin, though Michaels' situation is well documented. So, essentially Taker was like Michaels without all the nonsense. He became a leader of the locker room and spent PLENTY of time trying to put over guys like Jeff Hardy, Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Heidenreich, Edge, and more. Hell, having to face Giant Gonzalez is credential enough, lol. The bottom line is that people overlook how much of a company guy he's actually been just because of the streak.

[LQBigCountry]

As long as Undertaker can wrestle one match a year, he will compete at Wrestlemania. As long as he can build up one match a year that makes the people believe that his opponent is the guy to end the streak, he will keep coming out at Wrestlemania and beat said opponent. I don't care if Taker has a heart attack and dies in the middle of the ring, his opponent will lay down and roll Taker on top of him for a three count!

If i had to guess i would say that Taker still has 2-3 good Wrestlemania matches left in him. Let's face it, as long as Taker is getting paid seven figures for one match a year, he will do that as long as he can.

[Fredwood]

I'm starting to think I'm getting trolled here.


Hart didn't job out to anyone. He got concussed infamously by Goldberg. Austin...who did he job to before his neck? The only name that comes to mind is The Rock and that was at Wrestlemania XIX. Who did Flair job to? Shawn Michaels, the guy he asked to have "end it" (at least in WWE. Meanwhile, Michaels laid down in his final match against Taker. That leaves Foley and Rock. Yes, both are at the point of elevating talent, so I'll give you that. But the rest? Not quite as clear cut as it comes across.

Taker and Michaels were the two most loyal company guys through the thick and thin, though Michaels' situation is well documented. So, essentially Taker was like Michaels without all the nonsense. He became a leader of the locker room and spent PLENTY of time trying to put over guys like Jeff Hardy, Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Heidenreich, Edge, and more. Hell, having to face Giant Gonzalez is credential enough, lol. The bottom line is that people overlook how much of a company guy he's actually been just because of the streak.

I think he's the guy who still believes its real so.

Hart may be a bit of a stretch, although he did a lot to elevate talent while an active member of the roster. However every other person on the list did go out on their back, whether they elevated talent or not thats another thing, egos got in the way and they'd only lose to X wrestler. The point is that everyone went out to active members of the roster, maybe it wasn't to anyone who needed it but thats what happened.

I'm not saying Taker isn't a company man, the fact that he is such a company man is the reason I think the streak will end with a loss, my hope is that its to elevate someone and not go the Flair route.

[Fredwood]

As long as Undertaker can wrestle one match a year, he will compete at Wrestlemania. As long as he can build up one match a year that makes the people believe that his opponent is the guy to end the streak, he will keep coming out at Wrestlemania and beat said opponent. I don't care if Taker has a heart attack and dies in the middle of the ring, his opponent will lay down and roll Taker on top of him for a three count!

If i had to guess i would say that Taker still has 2-3 good Wrestlemania matches left in him. Let's face it, as long as Taker is getting paid seven figures for one match a year, he will do that as long as he can.

I disagree, above all else he's concerned with legacy, I doubt he's going to go on forever once a year just for a paycheck. His shoulder might as well be made of split pea soup at this point, and frankly I was surprised he was even able to wrestle last year, I expect this year to be very similar in that they'll take a crap ton of shortcuts again with whomever he faces.

[JDub]

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man. It is the character that, for me, has ran it's course. Asking me to drop large amounts of coin on Mania is not a problem. But asking me to pay that money for a match that everyone knows what the outcome will be doesn't make alot of sense. And if the match is the same quality as the last year's snoozefest, Lord only knows how screwed I will feel. Those guys were sucking so much wind that I had oxygen deprivation sitting in my living room.

How many times in pro wrestling do we know whats going to happen but still want to see it anyways? "Oh here comes the ref bump now X is going to interfere in the match!" And everyone marks out like a 10 year old when it happens. That's just professional wrestling. And you said it yourself it wasn't that great of a match last year. I don't care if I know who is going to win (this isn't the NFL where if you know the outcome of the game it takes all the excitement out of it) it's all about the actual match or the performance. If it was a great match and you knew before hand who was going to win it's still a good match, a crap match is a crap match. Nice Cornette reference BTW.

It still counts as going out. I understand the reticence to have him lose at WM, but a loss to end his career at any other event doesn't mean much . I mean sure whomever ends his career will get that rub. I don't find him anymore legendary than Flair, HBK, Hart, Foley, Rock (the last time and more than likely this time), and Austin who all jobbed to end their career, at some point he'll have to put someone over abd hopefully its a younger guy. At the same time, where this is all coming from, nothing would put as much heat on a young heel as beating the streak and ending his career.

Jobbing out when leaving is one thing, but doing it and ending your WM winning streak is another. Why end it now? What good comes out of it at this point? To put over some young guy who would have probably ended up wrestling for the indy feds in a few years? Mr Kennedy was a big one people were wanting to end his streak a few years ago, I bet WWE is kicking themselves for not letting him take Taker out at WM. :rolleyes: So you want the guy who has worked his ### off for the company for so many years to tarnish his career with the ONE loss at WM just so some guy who will leave when the first movie gig or UFC contract comes up can get some cheap heat for a few months before everyone forgets? As much as I'm tired of the whole undefeated crap we have to put up with every year I'd rather him just win once and be done with it, instead of having the WWE push whatever loser they chose to end the streak, who's career highlight will be "ending the Undertakers WM streak... 8 years ago!!!!" *yawn*, down our throats for the next 10 years because they have to.

[JDKenada]

I think he's the guy who still believes its real so.

Hart may be a bit of a stretch, although he did a lot to elevate talent while an active member of the roster. However every other person on the list did go out on their back, whether they elevated talent or not thats another thing, egos got in the way and they'd only lose to X wrestler. The point is that everyone went out to active members of the roster, maybe it wasn't to anyone who needed it but thats what happened.

I'm not saying Taker isn't a company man, the fact that he is such a company man is the reason I think the streak will end with a loss, my hope is that its to elevate someone and not go the Flair route.

I agree that most of the stars you mentioned did their part to elevate talent (or in some cases TRIED to elevate talent) and I think Taker's done that as well. But as someone else pointed out, this is the biggest event in the industry and it's a standing legacy. Ending it at this point doesn't do anyone justice. You want to elevate someone or give them a rub, odds are they'll never live up to that kind of a roll. Nor would it be fair for them to have to.

The more I think about it, ending the streak would actually be the easy way out. I think it's much harder to make the fans believe Taker could actually lose. The first encounter with Michaels did that better than any of the other 18 matches.

[NeoShazam]

I don't really like Undertaker but I wouldn't end the streak at this point.

Best WM Taker match that I can remember was him versus Flair where Arn Anderson interfered.

[Fredwood]

I agree that most of the stars you mentioned did their part to elevate talent (or in some cases TRIED to elevate talent) and I think Taker's done that as well. But as someone else pointed out, this is the biggest event in the industry and it's a standing legacy. Ending it at this point doesn't do anyone justice. You want to elevate someone or give them a rub, odds are they'll never live up to that kind of a roll. Nor would it be fair for them to have to.

The more I think about it, ending the streak would actually be the easy way out. I think it's much harder to make the fans believe Taker could actually lose. The first encounter with Michaels did that better than any of the other 18 matches.

I'm not saying it should end, not really sure how I think, however, those matches are never compelling never interesting (with the exceptions of Michaels), and get hyped up beyond belief. WWE has a problem of making things more important than the title (John Cena was like finally we can have a Wrestlemania this year when he showed up, and he was in the damn title match), and this is one of those things, nothing should be bigger than the title period, but somewhere in the Attitude Era or shortly thereafter they lost sight of it. Everyone keeps throwing names at me for Taker to face and they all bore me, we've already seen it when Taker was in better health, and ,in the case of HHH and Kane, multiple times a WM, whats the point? There's literally no one else for him to face and "conquer" and its becoming extremely stale.

[vamroc]

Frankly I'd love it if after what we saw on Monday Taker doesn't bother going to Mania and retires next week on RAW. I see Wrestling as a movie it's got heroes & villains right no matter how many times we watch the same movie don't we still get excited to Luke blow up the Death Star. Even though we know how Star Wars ends before we put the DVD in the machine it doesn't stop the movie from being any less enjoyable. The same is true for Pro Wrestling sure it's scripted LIKE A MOVIE but that doesn't make the stunt work performed by the wrestlers fake. GO TELL THE GUY WHO PUT DROZ IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE how fake wrestling is. Stuntmen risk their lives in pursuit of making sure people believe it's actually your favorite actor on the screen and many times THEY DIE trying to get a scene right. To this end wrestling is no different they perform feats of amazing athleticism that CAN KILL if not properly planned out ahead of time and DO KILL when mistakes happen go visit OWEN HART'S GRAVE to find out what a single mistake can lead to.

[The BoyBlunder]

Taker vs Jericho would actually be interesting. Taker could try his usual mind games, Jericho could go "yeah, whatever." like only Jericho can, and then Taker could beat him for his 20th. If Jericho starts taunting Taker and trying to provoke him, mores the better.

[turdburglar47]

Undertaker looked weird Monday night. Is he wearing a hat with fake hair on it like Kane's mask?

[michiganj24]

Very possibly...I saw a photo of him where he shaved his head bald
Undertaker looked weird Monday night. Is he wearing a hat with fake hair on it like Kane's mask?

[vamroc]

Undertaker looked weird Monday night. Is he wearing a hat with fake hair on it like Kane's mask?

Yes, for some unknown reason The Undertaker shaved his head about 6 months ago rumor has it that a HUGE creative fight is happening behind the scenes. Some higher ups wanted The Undertaker to come back as "Big Evil" aka The American B.A. because that version was less offensive to bible thumpers, rednecks, and the other great unwashed masses. People have also speculated Taker shaved his head because he was undergoing cancer treatment. But the most likely scenario is that Taker shaved his head for a movie/TV role and it hasn't grown back yet

[Fredwood]

Maybe he got lice. Imagine how much of a ##### Undead lice would be to get rid of.

[turdburglar47]

Undertaker's been around for 20 years and he's a legend. Why would they be worried NOW that he's offensive to religious types?

They can just do hairless Deadman. Not sure why they need the fake hair.

[The BoyBlunder]

Or Taker shaved his head because it's been thinning for a number of years and he was sick of looking at it. Plus, shaving it off is easier than dying his naturally ginger hair black.

But then again, Vamroc has a well known reputation to make #### up.

[turdburglar47]

Ah, I see. Yeah, I had long hair for a while, but when I had too much forehead to pull it off (and I watched Memento and saw Guy Pearce step out of the shower, run his hand through his hair once, and he was DONE with it), I chopped it and haven't looked back.

Still not sure why the fake hair, though.

[The BoyBlunder]

Ah, I see. Yeah, I had long hair for a while, but when I had too much forehead to pull it off (and I watched Memento and saw Guy Pearce step out of the shower, run his hand through his hair once, and he was DONE with it), I chopped it and haven't looked back.

Still not sure why the fake hair, though.
To hide his skull brother.

[vamroc]

Undertaker's been around for 20 years and he's a legend. Why would they be worried NOW that he's offensive to religious types?

They can just do hairless Deadman. Not sure why they need the fake hair.

They came up with the American B.A. schtick because the WWE was accused by some religious groups of trying to promoting devil worship. So they changed Takers angle much to the dismay of "The Creatures of The Night" (seriously that's what his fans used to be called). When The WWE did restore the supernatural aspect to The Undertaker it was done in such a generic way that it no longer conveys the same sense of religious overtone it once did.

[vamroc]

Or Taker shaved his head because it's been thinning for a number of years and he was sick of looking at it. Plus, shaving it off is easier than dying his naturally ginger hair black.

But then again, Vamroc has a well know reputation to make #### up.

Hi pot I'm kettle

[Arsenalroy2k]

But then again, Vamroc has a well know reputation to make #### up.

This. Though it's not so much making things up as it is him taking something he didn't really read thoroughly from some other site that might not have been 100% legit to begin with, then just regurgitating it here with some other irrelevant and incoherent drivel mixed in.

Seriously, Taker has gotta be in his late 40's. Suffice to say, whatever he may have done to his hair, age has to be a factor in it.

[The BoyBlunder]

This. Though it's not so much making things up as it is him taking something he didn't really read thoroughly from some other site that might not have been 100% legit to begin with, then just regurgitating it here with some other irrelevant and incoherent drivel mixed in.

Seriously, Taker has gotta be in his late 40's. Suffice to say, whatever he may have done to his hair, age has to be a factor in it.

He's 46. So, mid-forties.

[JDub]

So how the hell is he going to wrestle with a wig then? Maybe there won't be any match.

[Grinner]

It's easy for me to keep track of how old Taker & Mick Foley are. They were both born in the same year as my wife.

[michiganj24]

He may not have to....He wont wrestle till Mania so this gives him a chance for the hair to grow back out
So how the hell is he going to wrestle with a wig then? Maybe there won't be any match.

[zyxba]

So how the hell is he going to wrestle with a wig then? Maybe there won't be any match.

Practically? A bald cap, with the wig bound to it. Little chance of it coming off if it's well applied, and people don't put Taker in a lot of headlocks.

[turdburglar47]

Hey! WWE 12! How many times do I gotta kick the snot out of Chavo Guerrero and Vince McMahon before you start giving me some other damn contenders in Universe mode?

Also, does the Money in the Bank PPV mean anything at all in that mode?

[JDKenada]

They came up with the American B.A. schtick because the WWE was accused by some religious groups of trying to promoting devil worship. So they changed Takers angle much to the dismay of "The Creatures of The Night" (seriously that's what his fans used to be called).

There is absolutely zero merit to this at all (except for the fans being Creatures of the Night). :tired:

As for the "wig" question, I'm pretty sure both he and Kane are sporting fake hair. Kane was bald last, what, August? I'm sorry, you don't grow shoulder length hair in less than 4 months (as someone who's going from shaved head to 8 inches long for Locks For Love and my hair grows fast).

[TODDRUSSELL]

I think taker will fight HHH this year. Hopefully he keeps comin around and pissin HHH off until he accepts. On the bald note, I didn't realize he was bald lols. I hope he has at least some hair.

[zyxba]

So how do people feel about farting Nattie?

[JackAssterson]

So how do people feel about farting Nattie?

***farts***

[zyxba]

I can't imagine how that gimmick benefits anyone, other than perhaps someone who uses the Stinkface.

[JackAssterson]

I can't imagine how that gimmick benefits anyone, other than perhaps someone who uses the Stinkface.

It sounds like it may be the "You suck and no one likes you" gimmick, a tradition that's been handed down over the years. I first really noticed it when Public Enemy came to the WWF and were handed the gimmick.

Two of the other notable gimmick holders have been Naked Midion and Toilet Licking Tommy Dreamer,

[turdburglar47]

I do not like farting Natalya. She is awesome and should get to be awesome.

[Fredwood]

Nattie is the only Diva I like so its kind of annoying. Wonder what she did to piss someone off.

[Sheeplover]

Makes you wonder if they will ever fire some writing staff since they are obviously out of ideas. Not really sure I wish them well in their future endeavors.






Yeah, I know, they have been out of ideas for a long time now.

[michiganj24]

Except Midoen actually PITCHED Naked Mideon to the writers
It sounds like it may be the "You suck and no one likes you" gimmick, a tradition that's been handed down over the years. I first really noticed it when Public Enemy came to the WWF and were handed the gimmick.

Two of the other notable gimmick holders have been Naked Midion and Toilet Licking Tommy Dreamer,

[zyxba]

Went and played some Smackdown Vs Raw 2009 and 2011 last night. 2009's roster is pretty much all gone from the WWE, which is crazy when you think about it.

[JackAssterson]

Except Midoen actually PITCHED Naked Mideon to the writers

Why someone would ASK for You Suck and No One Likes You is best left to the dark dreams lurking behind the mindscape of lesser known Godwinns.

[Arsenalroy2k]

Went and played some Smackdown Vs Raw 2009 and 2011 last night. 2009's roster is pretty much all gone from the WWE, which is crazy when you think about it.

I still occasionally play No Mercy. Like three or four characters in that game are still active today. That's crazy.

So how do people feel about farting Nattie?

Not as bad as I would if it was queefing Nattie.

*EDIT* Really? That word made it through the filter? Unbelievable.

[Fredwood]

I still occasionally play No Mercy. Like three or four characters in that game are still active today. That's crazy.



Not as bad as I would if it was queefing Nattie.

*EDIT* Really? That word made it through the filter? Unbelievable.

Well, they haven't really explained it, so it could go that direction, like all the damage she's taken from all those Tamina Splashes.

[turdburglar47]

I need WWE 12 to stop putting Bushwhacker Butch into the #1 contender slots for titles.

Does Money In The Bank actually mean anything in Universe mode? Roddy Piper won it, but I don't know how to make him cash it in, if it matters.

Also, can you not throw people off of the top of Hell in a Cell anymore?

[ThorKnigh83]

haha. I never have found out how to use the money in the bank in WWE universe.

[NeoShazam]

I still occasionally play No Mercy. Like three or four characters in that game are still active today. That's crazy.

That game is still good !

Having a created wrestler with 3-4 outfits is so cool !

I also liked Here Comes the Pain or the one where they had the body indicator showing how damaged different regions of the body were (and see how long it'd take to get somebody completely dark red if you had the moveset ).

[ThorKnigh83]

I have my guilty pleasure since I watched a ton of wrestling in the 90's I always make my created player wear DX gear and always create a DX tag team. They used to be awesome.
The second incarnation not as much but still always loved Shawn though never a huge fan of HHH. I actually really liked DX when it had Road Dogg and Billy Gunn. I loved the new age outlaws. They were my favorite tag team for quite a while

[turdburglar47]

My wrestling game necessities were always to immediately create Demolition, and WWE 12 actually had them as unlockables, so this game was mandatory for me. I immediately not only made them tag champs, but also they were both the world champions for a long run. NO PLACE TO HIDE. THE DEMOS WILL GET YOU.

Also, Mr. ### Billy Gunn is the reason I got into the modern era of wrestling at all. I stopped by for a second to see what wrestling was doing since I left after Wrestlemania 6, and JR casually mentioned a "Mr. ###" match later, and my mind melted. Because WHAT IN THE WORLD IS MISTER ### GOING TO BE? My mind conjured the image of a guy dressed up like a butt with his head as the sphincter. So I had to watch until he came out. Once he did, he was just a guy who really liked his butt, so that was a little disappointing, but I'd become so fascinated with how insanely different the whole show was from when I watched it as a kid that I was hooked again.

[ThorKnigh83]

my other guilty pleasure has always been creating doink the clown in a game or at least as close as possible. so much fun.

[Peers]

Random Thought:

Does Punk vs Jericho really -need- to be for the WWE Title?

If I were booking (and there's a reason I'm not), Ziggler walks out of the Chamber as the champ, and refuses to give a title shot to any of the guys were in there with him. Punk has one in his contract, but Jericho costs him that. So Ziggler insists there's nobody there on his level, and we get a quick video package of Kharma nailing him with her finisher at the Rumble.

So in a Wrestlemania of Rock/Cena, Punk/Jericho, Taker/HHH II, Bryan/Shaemus, we also get... Ziggler/Kharma for the WWE Championship. Because, really, why the hell not?

[JDub]

Random Thought:

Does Punk vs Jericho really -need- to be for the WWE Title?

Yes. Because they are both claiming to be the "best in the world". Seems kind of silly that a match for bragging rights for best wrestler in the world wouldn't even be for the top belt.

Your the best wrestler in the world but not WWE Champion? Some guy who wrestled a woman at WM is? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.........

[zyxba]

It doesn't have to be, but it definitely benefits from the title being involved.

I HATED DX (minus the New Age Outlaws) as a kid. They were everything I hated in wrestling. Shawn and Trips were numbers 1 and 2 on my most hated list, followed by The Rock, who I hated for having the People's Elbow, and repeating himself over and over.

[Fredwood]

It doesn't have to be, but it definitely benefits from the title being involved.

I HATED DX (minus the New Age Outlaws) as a kid. They were everything I hated in wrestling. Shawn and Trips were numbers 1 and 2 on my most hated list, followed by The Rock, who I hated for having the People's Elbow, and repeating himself over and over.

I say yes, not because either of them need it, but because there's already 2 marquee big time matches that aren't for the title, if they knock the title even further down by not having the 3rd most important match on the card a non-title match will just destroy it even further.

I don't think Kharma beating down Ziggler was that bad, but mainly because Ziggler is such a good guy (at least seems like he is) he's even willing to legit sell for a woman. Many guys would no sell her, but everything about watching Ziggler in ring seems to be trying to put over the other guy as well and seems like he's just as excited to sell as doing his offense. I can't wait for him to be in the main event, and I hope he keeps the same attitude where's he seems just as excited to make the other guy look good as well.

/end brocrush rant.

[michiganj24]

Kharma....a gal who has had one match in 9 months....for the WWE title....
Can anyone give me the number for David Arquette....
Random Thought:

Does Punk vs Jericho really -need- to be for the WWE Title?

If I were booking (and there's a reason I'm not), Ziggler walks out of the Chamber as the champ, and refuses to give a title shot to any of the guys were in there with him. Punk has one in his contract, but Jericho costs him that. So Ziggler insists there's nobody there on his level, and we get a quick video package of Kharma nailing him with her finisher at the Rumble.

So in a Wrestlemania of Rock/Cena, Punk/Jericho, Taker/HHH II, Bryan/Shaemus, we also get... Ziggler/Kharma for the WWE Championship. Because, really, why the hell not?

[Arsenalroy2k]

Taker/HHH II,

Taker/HHH III, not II. They've had matches at Wrestlemania 17, last year and this will make it their third go around.

And yes, Punk/Jericho should be for the WWE Title. With the card shaping up the way it is, there should be a high profile title match on the card, and while Bryan/Sheamus sounds decent, Punk/Jericho will be bigger.

[JDKenada]

Kharma....a gal who has had one match in 9 months....for the WWE title....
Can anyone give me the number for David Arquette....

Sucks that she became pregnant and had to go off pregnant. She clearly would have been the anti-DIVA many fans wanted. Even more than the Divas of Doom (which, let's be fair was brilliant but the ball was horribly dropped...AGAIN).

The way she's talking, I expect Beth to face either Natalya (doubt it with the stupid gimmick), Kharma (if she's actually ready), or Trish Stratus.

and as for wrestling games there's three that will never leave my collection (five if you count TEW):

No Mercy (God the things the community has done with that game)
Fire Pro Returns (best wrestling sim ever, no question)
Here Comes The Pain (still one of the best all-time rosters, and I made my own face nearly perfect)

There's one of the SvR's I also liked...but it's up in the attic and I can't recall what year (2007 I think?).

[TODDRUSSELL]

I hope Daniel Bryan loses the belt at Elimination Chamber. Sheamus versus Big Show?

[ThorKnigh83]

even though DX used to be my favorite group. My favorite wrestlers have always been
Mick Foley and Steve Austin. I grew up watching both of them here in Tx before they ever made it big. They both wrestled in our territory. The Cactus Jack character was always cool and once steve got to WcW i liked him with Brian Pilman in the Hollywood Blondes.

[ThorKnigh83]

and if I had to go with a current wrestler to say I really like. Im actually a huge Jericho fan. Ive always felt he was just such a great performer. I was also always a huge fan of Bret Hart and Owen Hart.
Sometimes I feel like if they had played it better the Hart Dynasty could have been a very good success. I of course love Nattie. I feel she is the most skilled Diva there is and possibly ever was.

[JDKenada]

I hope Daniel Bryan loses the belt at Elimination Chamber. Sheamus versus Big Show?

I'm expecting Show vs. Shaq still. Plus, DB vs Sheamus makes up for them hyping a US title match year that didn't even make the PPV...

[zyxba]

and if I had to go with a current wrestler to say I really like. Im actually a huge Jericho fan. Ive always felt he was just such a great performer. I was also always a huge fan of Bret Hart and Owen Hart.
Sometimes I feel like if they had played it better the Hart Dynasty could have been a very good success. I of course love Nattie. I feel she is the most skilled Diva there is and possibly ever was.

Problem is DH Smith is pretty much a black hole of charisma, and Tyson Kidd isn't much better. Sadly, Teddy is the best Hart of this generation so far, and he's a moron.

But DH and Tyson are still young, they've got plenty of time to mature and find themselves.

[ThorKnigh83]

hopefully they will find themselves. if DH Smith had half the charisma of his dad he could be a great wrestler.

Nattie is the best Hart of this generation in my opinion. Teddy has a lot of potential as well but yeah he has to get his head out of his ###

[zyxba]

I agree on Nattie. I feel bad for her that she's a woman, just in the sense that if she were a man in the wrestling world, she'd already be a big name somewhere with her talent and charisma, instead of being Beth's sidekick and a serial farter.

[ThorKnigh83]

yeah she seems to inherited all the talent of her family with the charisma to match.
Id love to see her get a huge bump but not likely to happen as long as they hold on to this whole farting thing. Its pretty stupid actually.

[lensnart]

I know Hunter runs things backstage so what he says goes and all that. But it seems someone should talk to him about getting to the point. It took him 17 minutes to say he kinda, sorta, might fight Undertaker at WrestleMania. There are better things that could have been done with that time. He either needs someone to reign him in a bit or someone to give him mic lessons, because he takes a long time to say nothing at all in a boring way.

He also needs someone to veto him on things like his last minute call to have his workout partner win the Rumble. Jericho set up the Rumble on the preceding RAW armed with the knowledge that he was slated to win and then the rug was pulled out from under him.

Because of Hunter's bias we are now left with a Mania match that will get in the way of something better. If he fights for the WWE belt it ruins the Punk/Jericho angle, and I don't think even Hunter is that foolish. So we have to assume it will be for the World Heavyweight strap, so let's look at those possibilities.

Show and Bryan have the most interesting storyline going on Smackdown and it needs to end with a bang at Mania so Sheamus can't fight either of them which leaves four guys to take the belt at elimination chamber. It can't be Orton or Barrett because they are on a collision course to have a big showdown. It can't be Khali because that would be the most boring thing ever. That just leaves Cody, which will be the case and it is sad because it explains why they haven't followed through on the more interesting Cody/Dustin feud that was building.

Sheamus versus any of these guys is a lesser storyline because it is a forced storyline. Sheamus is a solid talent without a doubt and in most years would be a fine addition to a WrestleMania bound program, but it does him a disservice by forcing him into a spot that just didn't fit this time around.

Triple H has shown that he can run the show as Wrestling has been solid this year, he just needs someone to stop him when he A. wants to be on TV, or B. Is playing favourites at the expense of the product.

[lensnart]

yeah she seems to inherited all the talent of her family with the charisma to match.
Id love to see her get a huge bump but not likely to happen as long as they hold on to this whole farting thing. Its pretty stupid actually.

I totally agree. It's sad to see because she is perhaps the most talented female wrestler on the roster, but she is being saddled with a gimmick that is so bad it could haunt her for a while.

[JDub]

What's with the whole fart thing anyways? I mean seriously who enjoys that? 12 year olds? If it's a play on her last name so they can start calling her Natalie Fart then wow, pointless and classless.

[The BoyBlunder]

Hunter needs to find a new persona for himself. Vince made a great show of being a major douche, and the only time he got cheers is when he was being a douche to people the fans hated more. If Hunter had said to Johnny Ace, "You've been doing a great job." it would have made for a far more interesting angle.

[lensnart]

Hunter needs to find a new persona for himself. Vince made a great show of being a major douche, and the only time he got cheers is when he was being a douche to people the fans hated more. If Hunter had said to Johnny Ace, "You've been doing a great job." it would have made for a far more interesting angle.

Also it would have been true because John L is fantastic.

[vamroc]

Taker/HHH III, not II. They've had matches at Wrestlemania 17, last year and this will make it their third go around.

And yes, Punk/Jericho should be for the WWE Title. With the card shaping up the way it is, there should be a high profile title match on the card, and while Bryan/Sheamus sounds decent, Punk/Jericho will be bigger.

Bet money on Shawn Michaels being decimated by Taker as vengeance for HHH walking away. Thus giving HHH the incentive he needs to fight Taker again

The WWE title match should be the biggest event on the card (yes even bigger than HHH vs Taker) and a Punk vs. Jericho clash of egos would be exactly that

[LQBigCountry]

I think Henry deserves the match with Sheamus at Wrestlemania, but i think his injuries will keep him out of action for a few months.

As for Hunter, he has the same problem on the mic that C.M. Punk has, he doesn't know how to build a opponent up, he only knows how to tear them down and tear them down and tear them down. Both come off sounding like bullies and if we have learned anything from the Be A Star campaign videos - bullies are bad people, not top babyfaces.

[The BoyBlunder]

I think Henry deserves the match with Sheamus at Wrestlemania, but i think his injuries will keep him out of action for a few months.

As for Hunter, he has the same problem on the mic that C.M. Punk has, he doesn't know how to build a opponent up, he only knows how to tear them down and tear them down and tear them down. Both come off sounding like bullies and if we have learned anything from the Be A Star campaign videos - bullies are bad people, not top babyfaces.

Punk doesn't come off so much as a bully, as a scrappy kid who shoots off his mouth. At any point in time, someone could step up and put him in his place. Hunter is both physically intimidating, and now in THE position of power, so he ends up looking like a bully far more than Punk would.

[michiganj24]

Which leads to a triple threat match at Mania....:cheeky:
Bet money on Shawn Michaels being decimated by Taker as vengeance for HHH walking away. Thus giving HHH the incentive he needs to fight Taker again

The WWE title match should be the biggest event on the card (yes even bigger than HHH vs Taker) and a Punk vs. Jericho clash of egos would be exactly that

[ThorKnigh83]

I could almost see Taker in a triple threat match at mania in which he loses but is not the one pinned. They could then argue he still has never been beaten at wrestlemania that way and still possibly give a younger guy a boost with Taker leaving

[vamroc]

Which leads to a triple threat match at Mania....:cheeky:

Or a handicap match seeing as no SINGLE person has been able to beat Taker perhaps we might See Degeneration X reunite to stop "The Dead Man". It would also be one HELL of a way to cap 20-0 if Taker buries the both of them in one match.

[coyotejack]

Or a handicap match seeing as no SINGLE person has been able to beat Taker perhaps we might See Degeneration X reunite to stop "The Dead Man". It would also be one HELL of a way to cap 20-0 if Taker buries the both of them in one match.

He's had one handicap match at WM XIX (Big Show and A-Train)...but DX would be more interesting. :) I don't see ithappening though. I think Shawn will stay out of the ring.

[michiganj24]

Or its made a No DQ handicap...and Kane joins in....
Or a handicap match seeing as no SINGLE person has been able to beat Taker perhaps we might See Degeneration X reunite to stop "The Dead Man". It would also be one HELL of a way to cap 20-0 if Taker buries the both of them in one match.

Yeah that was a trainwreck (although still better than WM IX)
He's had one handicap match at WM XIX (Big Show and A-Train)...but DX would be more interesting. :) I don't see ithappening though. I think Shawn will stay out of the ring.

[Melkhor]

Or its made a No DQ handicap...and Kane joins in....


Yeah that was a trainwreck (although still better than WM IX)

Well, it had A-Train in it, what did you expect? :p

[michiganj24]

Sad thing is not that bad...it is just the match had no chemistry...and was one of the worst reasons for taker to have a match

Always heard the rumor that that year was supposed to be Taker-Hogan...But Hogan would not do the job
Well, it had A-Train in it, what did you expect? :p

[Arsenalroy2k]

I hope Daniel Bryan loses the belt at Elimination Chamber.

If Punk or Bryan lose the title, they're probably just going to get a rematch per the clauses in contemporary title reigns.

I agree on Nattie. I feel bad for her that she's a woman, just in the sense that if she were a man in the wrestling world, she'd already be a big name somewhere with her talent and charisma, instead of being Beth's sidekick and a serial farter.

Conversely, if she was a man in the wrestling world, then being a sidekick and a serial farter wouldn't cause anyone to bat so much of an eyelash. But since she's a woman and attractive, being involved in anything remotely silly tends to be considered detrimental.

What's with the whole fart thing anyways? I mean seriously who enjoys that? 12 year olds?

Well, that *is* the demographic they've been going after for the last couple years. Though it does need to be said: When did we start pretending that professional wrestling was above potty humor? It's pointless and classless, but it's not like it's something the industry (and I say that referring to 99.9% of the US-based promotions) will ever escape or even try remotely to avoid.

[zyxba]

I just find a farting gimmick to be terrible. If Eric Young or Santino started wandering around farting, I'd have issues too.

I'm more surprised Vince didn't get on this sooner. Between the KMA Club, JRs colonoscopy, Big Show vs a Burrito and such, it's pretty obvious somebody loves butt jokes.

[JDKenada]

I just find a farting gimmick to be terrible. If Eric Young or Santino started wandering around farting, I'd have issues too.

I'm more surprised Vince didn't get on this sooner. Between the KMA Club, JRs colonoscopy, Big Show vs a Burrito and such, it's pretty obvious somebody loves butt jokes.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to zyxba again.

Also, Triple H has always been long winded on the mic, but suggesting he's putting himself before the product is likely not accurate at this point. Heck, the 'Mania card has been rumored for a couple of months and so far HHH/Taker and Punk/Jericho joining Cena/Rock is bang on.

Now, as for Punk/Jericho being the biggest match on the card, it'll never happen. I was in Toronto when they made that mistake the first time and trust me...in Miami (or anywhere else for that matter) Rock and Cena will be the main event and regardless of what you think, it absolutely should be.

[LQBigCountry]

He's had one handicap match at WM XIX (Big Show and A-Train)...but DX would be more interesting. :) I don't see ithappening though. I think Shawn will stay out of the ring.

The only good part of the match between Taker and Show/A-Train was when A-Train re-arranged the mirrors on Taker's bike. It was so evil! You don't mess with The Dead Man's blind spot!

[Fredwood]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to zyxba again.

Also, Triple H has always been long winded on the mic, but suggesting he's putting himself before the product is likely not accurate at this point. Heck, the 'Mania card has been rumored for a couple of months and so far HHH/Taker and Punk/Jericho joining Cena/Rock is bang on.

Now, as for Punk/Jericho being the biggest match on the card, it'll never happen. I was in Toronto when they made that mistake the first time and trust me...in Miami (or anywhere else for that matter) Rock and Cena will be the main event and regardless of what you think, it absolutely should be.

I don't know if anyone is implying that's the biggest match, in fact you could make the argument that its the 3rd biggest, which is why it should be for the Title, because as of right now you're saying that there is 4 people above the title.

Also, not sure why Kane and Cena couldn't be in the Elimination chamber you could still tell their story inside of it and have the dust-off on the WM go home show, and why Khali has to be in the other one.

Also, Orton Barret at WM is the feeling I'm getting, seems odd that for the 2nd straight WM Orton isn't in the title picture.

[vamroc]

I just find a farting gimmick to be terrible. If Eric Young or Santino started wandering around farting, I'd have issues too.

I'm more surprised Vince didn't get on this sooner. Between the KMA Club, JRs colonoscopy, Big Show vs a Burrito and such, it's pretty obvious somebody loves butt jokes.

I agree but how else is the WWE going to attract TNA viewers. :devious:

[tmkac]

I haven't followed wrestling consistently in a long time. I understand the whole deal with Taker and streak. Isn't there a better option at this point then HHH for a third time? Or HBK? Or would they try and play on the big history of Taker/ Foley and try and do something gimmicky there? Cause I'm aware that Foley can't do much now a days from what I've seen. At least it'd be different.

Probably lame but different.

[turdburglar47]

Yeah, HHH isn't all that exciting, but I kinda like the notion that somehow, for the 20th and final victory, Taker's not THE DOMINANT FORCE but being positioned as a sort of underdog who has to claw his way back from the brink to go out on top.

[lensnart]

I haven't followed wrestling consistently in a long time. I understand the whole deal with Taker and streak. Isn't there a better option at this point then HHH for a third time? Or HBK? Or would they try and play on the big history of Taker/ Foley and try and do something gimmicky there? Cause I'm aware that Foley can't do much now a days from what I've seen. At least it'd be different.

Probably lame but different.

I don't think there are many worse options than HHH for the third time, but he runs the company and he wants to be in Taker's final match so that is sadly that. We are left with the makings of a slow, boring match finally putting us out of the misery of what will be a long, boring lead-up.

I just wish this was HHH's last match instead of Taker's, he deserves much better than this.

[Bubblehead]

How about Taker taking on two guys a la handicap match? Laying waste to both of them after an ordeal to emphasize him going out on top?

Different and an exclamation point on a career.

[Arsenalroy2k]

I agree but how else is the WWE going to attract TNA viewers. :devious:

Invalid statement, as that implies TNA has viewers.

Isn't there a better option at this point then HHH for a third time?

Not really. I look at these two and it's become a battle of backstage clout. If the son-in-law with the backstage gig can't end the streak; no one can.

[vamroc]

Invalid statement, as that implies TNA has viewers.





.....Good point

[ThorKnigh83]

Id say a handicap match with Undertaker vs Kane/Mankind.

I know Foley isn't capable of doing mutch anymore but he could probably make it through a tag style match.
Have Undertaker go out vs his 2 greatest enemies in his history.

[turdburglar47]

Here's something weird.

On WWE 12, I downloaded Goldberg. Then recently, a souped up version of him was available, so I downloaded that one instead. When I first used him, he had a Create-An-Entrance thing attached that looked a lot like Goldberg's real entrance. Then I went in to add the music, and suddenly it was the default entrance, so I left it be. Now, when he enters, it's the same entrance I had attached to the older version of Goldberg, which I never attached to the newer version, and it's still the default thing when I go in to edit it. And the cool Create-An-Entrance doesn't seem to exist.

What gives?

[stlnprfln]

Back on topic of WM 28, I don't care what anyone says about the Woo Woo Woo Kid's injuries, I see him back in a couple of weeks & fueding for his US strap while fixing his broskiship with Cena. I foresee Swagger vs Ryder at WM 28, where Zack in his first singles WM match gets his first WM win. And You Know It!!!

[lensnart]

The Rock on Raw was embarassing for everyone involved. The audience must feel dirty after that. "Chant this you idiots" "chant, chant, chant." The only good thing was that all of the nothing he said for 20 some minutes was destroyed in 30 seconds by Cena. Between this and last week's promo I think Cena may end up being the crowd favourite to Rock's heel after all. But I have overestimated wrestling fans before.

[michiganj24]

Rumor is now that This will NOT be the final match for Taker....and the match could chnage all that but they are already looking at Mania next year for another taker match

[turdburglar47]

Yeah. I'm really hating that Cena's getting the upper hand in a verbal battle with the Rock.

I was hoping he'd have a solid response to 'you no here! y u no here?' Like maybe "hey, Cena, you tried to do the same thing as The Rock, but you FAILED AT IT, so stop your hypocritical #####in' about movies!" And "grow the hell up! I did everything there is to do in the WWE, won every belt, and now I'm doing what no other PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER has ever been able to do before. I'm raising the bar! Setting the stage for every superstar to follow - if they got the chops for it, which you obviously don't, Mr. 12 Rounds of Monkey Crap! Drawing in more fans to the brand and the art form!"

Something besides "kung pao #####." Although I do think he was just having fun seeing what the crowd would chant. That's gotta be an intoxicating power.

[vamroc]

Rumor is now that This will NOT be the final match for Taker....and the match could chnage all that but they are already looking at Mania next year for another taker match

You know a thought occurred to me we think Taker is retiring because 20-0 is a nice round number and it's pretty damn impressive. But it's possible The WWE wants to stretch the streak to 21 and then have him inducted into The Hall of Fame at WMXXX. While Taker will still wrestle at WMXXX it will more of a "one for the road" type of match like they keep doing with Jerry "The King" Lawler. The WWE sees Wrestle Mania XXX as a bigger milestone than Taker's streak but if Taker ends his carrier now The WWE will loose it's most valuable asset on the proverbial eve of it's biggest anniversary. The WWE needs to have The Undertaker at WMXXX it's too big an event for him not to be there.

[Arsenalroy2k]

Rumor is now that This will NOT be the final match for Taker....and the match could chnage all that but they are already looking at Mania next year for another taker match

Well, I guess 25-0 sounds better than 20-0.

[turdburglar47]

A friend just posited that he'll return for XXX in order to anoint someone new to take the streak and be instantly made. I'm thinking there's no way he drops the streak.

[michiganj24]

Maybe if Rock Goes over Cena at this Mania (and it turns into a best of three) Taker drops him at 30...otherwise I see Taker/Sheamus
You know a thought occurred to me we think Taker is retiring because 20-0 is a nice round number and it's pretty damn impressive. But it's possible The WWE wants to stretch the streak to 21 and then have him inducted into The Hall of Fame at WMXXX. While Taker will still wrestle at WMXXX it will more of a "one for the road" type of match like they keep doing with Jerry "The King" Lawler. The WWE sees Wrestle Mania XXX as a bigger milestone than Taker's streak but if Taker ends his carrier now The WWE will loose it's most valuable asset on the proverbial eve of it's biggest anniversary. The WWE needs to have The Undertaker at WMXXX it's too big an event for him not to be there.

[coyotejack]

I agree but how else is the WWE going to attract TNA viewers. :devious:

And that's pretty darn funny. :laugh:

Invalid statement, as that implies TNA has viewers.


And so is this. :laugh:

How about Taker taking on two guys a la handicap match? Laying waste to both of them after an ordeal to emphasize him going out on top?

Different and an exclamation point on a career.

He's had one handicap match at WM. Versus Big show and A-Train. It was originally supposed to be a tag match (dumb) alongside Nathan Jones.

My dream match for Taker is something that will never happen: Keiji Mutoh/Great Muta (I'd prefer the Muta persona because the theatrics would be awesome) vs. Taker.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Or wrestlemania xxx becomes a tournament for the Championship. Taker would have to win.

[lensnart]

Or wrestlemania xxx becomes a tournament for the Championship. Taker would have to win.

There is nothing in this world that I love more than a wrestling tournament for the championship. WrestleMania IV is still my all-time favourite PPV ever.

With the current cast (if people weren't injured) this would be outstanding.

The 16 participants: John Cena, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Alberto Del Rio, Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, Christian, Big Show, Dolph Ziggler, Kane, Chris Jericho, The Miz, Rey Mysterio, and The Undertaker.

I am going to run this in WWE12 as soon as I have some time.

[TODDRUSSELL]

I think HBK is gonna cost HHH the match at Wrestlemania. Thoughts?

[JDub]

I think HBK is gonna cost HHH the match at Wrestlemania. Thoughts?

I thought that last year too and it didn't happen. If he isn't going to come out of retirement to wrestle a match against Triple H I don't really see the point of it.

[turdburglar47]

No. For 20-0, the swan song, Undertaker has to win and win clean and walk out with his head held high. And hopefully throw HHH off the cell onto an announce table. No hay-filled pickup truck accepted.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Called it. HBK special guest referee

[michiganj24]

He was supposed to do that when HHH lost the first match against Taker at Mania 17 but he decided against it
I thought that last year too and it didn't happen. If he isn't going to come out of retirement to wrestle a match against Triple H I don't really see the point of it.

[vamroc]

I smell a bit of history repeating as HBK was also the special guest referee for Bret Hart vs Undertaker at Summerslam 1997. That's the match where Taker took a chair shot to the face from Shawn and the match which served as the catalyst for Shawn Michaels to face Brett Hart at Survivor Series. Yes, THAT Survivor Series as in the one that took place in Montreal and we haven't heard the end of since.

[vamroc]

I think HBK is gonna cost HHH the match at Wrestlemania. Thoughts?

I wouldn't say "cost" but I think there will be a moment where Shawn decides HHH can't finish the job. So Michaels will decide to finish off The Undertaker and that will ROYALLY P.O. HHH which may or may not lead to a window of opportunity for The Undertaker.

[michiganj24]

So Santino won the title tonight.....I expect him to be a 24 hr champ before Johnny makes his hand picked Boy David O the new champ tommorow

[TODDRUSSELL]

I hope Santino has a great run... I hate david o.

[turdburglar47]

I'm tired of Cena no-selling every opponent's promo against him.

[Peers]

Y'know, I hate to say it, but... Cena was absolutely right. Rock's best work was his pre-taped stuff. As soon as he was in front of the live crowd, he felt... lost. Looked lost.

Rock should be talking about how Cena is jealous; how his movies tanked, how he's the big dog in the WWE yard until the Rock comes back... but instead he's trying to talk about Cena being scared. We've already done the HHH/Undertaker 'Coward' thing. We don't need it rehashed.

Unless the match is pre-taped, I'm gonna be rooting for Cena to win this one. The exact opposite position of where I was in a year ago.

[JDKenada]

I'm tired of Cena no-selling every opponent's promo against him.

He needs to do that for a couple of Rock verbal spars. Look at when Rock came back at Survivor Series. He owned it verbally and was basically a one man show in the ring.

As someone else has suggested, I find myself now cheering for Cena. I was a Rock fan (still am) and a year ago was excited to see The Rock win the match. Problem is, in the last few weeks, he's come back and talked for close to an hour without actually saying anything. It's the same thing over and over. I don't know if it's because I'm 10 years older or if he's lost a step or what.

As for Michaels getting involved, it's just to add a wildcard to the match and create intrigue. I think Taker still wins and would like to see it end cleanly (though we just had that kind of scenario a bit with Laurinitis and Punk).

[LQBigCountry]

I thought Rock was god? How can John Cena be beating him in promos? Cena is a hokey, corny, wanna-be who only appeals to tweeners. The Rock is the most electrifying man in sports entertainment, Cena can't get the best of him on the mic! Right?

I siad it a year ago that Cena will out-promo The Rock. Clearly Rocky thought he was better than he is on the mic or he severely under-estimated John Cena.

[NeoShazam]

Watched the interview recaps on WWE the past 2 weeks and Cena is destroying him on the mic.

Rock is letting the energy and enthusiasm float out of his appearances...and at this point he needs to make a mention of why he's not throwing punches.

[vamroc]

So who's looking forward to Rock vs Cena in an
"EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY" match next week.

[turdburglar47]

Next week is going to be painful. "Rock Concert" was awful the first time, and rapping Cena will suck, but he'll be a lot better at dropping verbal disrespect that way than Rock with a guitar will.

Rock needs to call Cena out on just smiling and shrugging off everything he says. Rock needs to tell him that, for all his harping on Rocky leaving, Cena would've done the same thing if any of his movies were worth a damn. Rock needs to cut that argument off at the knees, saying he's changed the game for all future wrestlers and given them options they've never had before. Rock needs to take some notes from CM Punk, who got as close as anyone has to verbally rattling Cena - harp on the 'bodybuilder who failed' thing. Cena's taken Punk's playbook against him and is running it against the Rock.

It's a different verbal game now than when Rock was in his heyday, and he needs to adjust. The trouble is, THE ROCK can't really do sincerity well, because THE ROCK is THE ROCK, and when he gets real, he loses the ELECTRICITY. Of course, the electricity isn't as electric this time around, because Cena shrugs everything off, which feels like no-selling your opponent's finisher.

I'm also surprised there's no mention of how the Rock did this 'once in a lifetime' thing before when he faced down Hulk Hogan back at WM18, 10 years ago. Maybe they're saving that for the end. Cena could mention it as the book ends of Rocky's wrasslin'.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Rocks gonna win the match... Or it'll be a no finish. Cena should win. I dont think the WWE is gonna give it to him.

[turdburglar47]

Cena is TOTALLY going to win. Rock beat Hogan, Cena beats Rock, the cirlce of life.

[Bubblehead]

Cena is TOTALLY going to win. Rock beat Hogan, Cena beats Rock, the cirlce of life.

Is it wrong that I like that perception (at least with me) that the Rock acts just a little insecure at points while getting pwned the last couple weeks?

It's why I think Cena will "cheat" to get the win. Rock saves face, Cena wins, and Cena can cut a promo on how come Dwayne can't re-challenge him because he's on his next project.

However, if they go the "rematch at next Wrestlemania" route, I'll just groan. :rolleyes:

[turdburglar47]

Yeah, no rematch. One and done.

Cena will not cheat. He will never change what his character is now. HUSTLE LOYALTY RESPECT COLORS DON'T RUN RAPADOO CANT C ME.

They will each kick out of each other's finishers twice, and perhaps mock each other with each other's finishers, but Cena will pin Rock and Rock will leave for good this time, because this is proving he can't quite grab that magic again, because it's a different time and a different game.

I want otherwise. I want the Rock to own entirely. It's just not happening, and if he hasn't figured out the angle he's going with to own Cena by now, a year after the fact, it ain't gonna happen.

[The BoyBlunder]

Or Rocky is jobbing in promos...

I wouldn't know, as I haven't seen any of the recent promos, but is it possible WWE wants Cena to be over, so Rocky is being intentionally lackluster?

[TODDRUSSELL]

I want Rock to come back.

[turdburglar47]

I don't think it's Rocky being lackluster intentionally. It's just that the fun tricks from 10 years ago don't quite work anymore. At Rock's peak, he was the only guy really capable of doing what he did. Then everyone after him has refined it more and walks that edge of breaking the kayfabe. And Cena is impenetrable because he pulls the Rabbit trick in 8 Mile of just owning everything anyone will say about him and leaving the other guy with no ammo.

[JGonspy]

I thought Stone Cold throwing the Rock's Intercontinental title back in the day made more sense than the Rock throwing out John Cena merchandise, but I laughed at some of the jokes at least.

Thing is, since I watch Raw in Canada where it's on a 15 minute delay, I always have trouble deciding to watch the main event or the opening of the Daily Show. With the last few weeks, and the weeks to come, just being these long winded promos that go nowhere, it's getting very easy to change the channel away from Raw.

[JDKenada]

They will each kick out of each other's finishers twice, and perhaps mock each other with each other's finishers, but Cena will pin Rock and Rock will leave for good this time, because this is proving he can't quite grab that magic again, because it's a different time and a different game.


But the press conference for next year's Mania said Rock would be wrestling...

Heck the rumour is that he's back for at least three matches (the third possibly being SummerSlam).

[vamroc]

I thought Stone Cold throwing the Rock's Intercontinental title back in the day made more sense than the Rock throwing out John Cena merchandise, but I laughed at some of the jokes at least.

Thing is, since I watch Raw in Canada where it's on a 15 minute delay, I always have trouble deciding to watch the main event or the opening of the Daily Show. With the last few weeks, and the weeks to come, just being these long winded promos that go nowhere, it's getting very easy to change the channel away from Raw.

Daily Show as one minute of that is 10x better than Raw

[Arsenalroy2k]

But the press conference for next year's Mania said Rock would be wrestling...

I heard the press conference for next year's Mania said he'd be appearing
, which is not necessarily the same thing as wrestling.

Anyways, yeah, next week's Rock Concert/Rap Battle is just a horrific idea. I can only pray it gets interrupted by anyone. Only good thing that can come from this is getting the message across that Cena as a rapper is a passe concept.

And the promo this past week and the "Kung Pao #####" one the week prior certainly aren't The Rock's best. They're random attempts at creating new catchphrases and trending words. But he is The Rock, so the crowds are still going to eat them up with a spoon. Frankly, I think Cena's hometown crowd chanting "Tooth Fairy" is going to be as good as it gets for a crowd turning on Rock.

[Sheeplover]

I was expecting Foley being the special ref for the HIAC match. Oh well.

[lensnart]

I heard the press conference for next year's Mania said he'd be appearing
, which is not necessarily the same thing as wrestling.

Anyways, yeah, next week's Rock Concert/Rap Battle is just a horrific idea. I can only pray it gets interrupted by anyone. Only good thing that can come from this is getting the message across that Cena as a rapper is a passe concept.

And the promo this past week and the "Kung Pao #####" one the week prior certainly aren't The Rock's best. They're random attempts at creating new catchphrases and trending words. But he is The Rock, so the crowds are still going to eat them up with a spoon. Frankly, I think Cena's hometown crowd chanting "Tooth Fairy" is going to be as good as it gets for a crowd turning on Rock.

The crowd has been fading for The Rock over the last few weeks. The same frat boys who like to repeat things that other people say and quote Austin Powers movies as though they are making a clever joke will follow the Rock forever. But I think Cena is actually winning over the fans that are above silly babytalk and penis references (which ads up to at least 10's of people).

The WWE wants a divided crowd and this whole angle of THe Rock cranked up to absurdity and Cena pointing out what a moron he is is doing a great job of just that. Perhaps I am giving the writers too much credit but I think this whole thing has been planned to perfection. The Rock won't lose any of his fans, and Cena can still be a face and build on his character. If they can keep the ship steered in this direction they may still get the 50/50 crowd I am sure they are gunning for.

This is the first I have heard of the Rock/Rap battle. And like every singing or dancing related thing the WWE has ever done it sounds awful. I am right there with you in hoping that anyone at all interrupts this before it gets started. Lets have Leaping Lanny Poffo jump in the ring to read a frisbee poem and Rock and Cena can have a bonding moment while they pummel him.

[The BoyBlunder]

Hell, have Funkasaurous come out.

[lensnart]

Hell, have Funkasaurous come out.

I am pretty sure that there are no longer any living breathing Funkasauri left. Either that or he finally escaped captivity.

[Thrumble Funk]

Y'all're crazy. The first Rock Concert was GOLD.

And as for music-related stuff, who can tell me that they didn't like the uncomfortably surreal sight of Rock and Austin singing "Margaritaville," apropos of nothing, on prime time TV?

[vamroc]

I am pretty sure that there are no longer any living breathing Funkasauri left. Either that or he finally escaped captivity.

He escaped, found his way back to Alaska, and was SHOT TO DEATH BY SARAH PALIN

[Fredwood]

wow Sarah Palin jokes in 2012. Honestly its been a chore to bother watching any of it since Elimination Chamber, the show just came off flat and didn't get me interested in anything leading up to WM. Typically this is the only time I pay attention, this might mean that I'm done with WWE for now.

[lensnart]

wow Sarah Palin jokes in 2012. Honestly its been a chore to bother watching any of it since Elimination Chamber, the show just came off flat and didn't get me interested in anything leading up to WM. Typically this is the only time I pay attention, this might mean that I'm done with WWE for now.

I have to say I kind of agree, there were a bunch of interesting storylines going into that PPV but none of them resolved and now coming out of it there are just a ton of really forced angles that came out of nowhere. Now we have Sheamus who has no business going into a title match taking on Bryan for no good reason, we have Cody suddenly making fun of Big Show, Orton and Kane started fighting out of nowhere, the Tag Team Champs don't even have a feud because all of the other tag teams are on NXT, and Triple H is fighting Undertaker because Michaels dared him or because he doesn't want to but has to or something. The only two matches that make any sense are CM Punk and Jericho fighting over who is the best, and Cena vs. The Rock.

Cody/Goldust, Bryan/Show, Taker/Kane, Orton/Barrett, Epico and Primo vs Team Vicki, would have been a much better undercard for the big two matches.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Goldust is one of my all time faves.

[Fredwood]

Goldust is one of my all time faves.

Is he in your Fave 5? Shucky Ducky Quack Quack..

You know whats worse than the fact that he says that, the fact that he stole it from a local hack Houston Comic that does it after his punchline.

[Arsenalroy2k]

Well, let tonight's appearance by Rappin' Cena be a stern lesson to people demanding that gimmick return.

[turdburglar47]

Rappadooooooo.

Glad that's over. And someone tell the Rock that the b-word loses its punch if you use it every time out.

[mike_houghton]

I thought they both came off well. Fans reacted well, Rock poked fun at himself by checking his forearm.He maybe should have had a little more practice with the final song, but I thought it was still pretty cool. I loled at David Otungas commercial.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Goldust is in my fave 5.

[zyxba]

I enjoyed Raw. And oddly, there was no Divas match.

[michiganj24]

Hmm supposedly they have big plans for Miz at Mania and post Mania


Makes me think one of two scenarios

A) he turns face and joins Teddy long's Team at Mania

B) He interferes in the Rock Cena match (probably screwing Cena) giving the reason for the rematch next year at mania 29

[arKhIM asylum]

If The Rock wins at Mania, this will suck!!!

I'm from the Attitude Era but Cena deserves to win. It's time for The Rock to pass the torch to Cena just like what happened in WMX8 (where The Rock beats Hogan).

Note: Hogan should've won back then against The Rock, so did Scott Hall on his match with Austin. However backstage folks changed plans.

If The Rock wins, he should at least start being a full time roster.

This is just my opinion ok.

[lensnart]

Well, let tonight's appearance by Rappin' Cena be a stern lesson to people demanding that gimmick return.

To be fair it was more a poetry reading than a rap. I will grant you that it was uncomfortable but nowhere near as uncomfortable as the Rock's "performance".

Someone needs to teach the Rock what the word Rock means (Hint it is not a two chord campfire song.) He could also do with being made aware of what exactly a song is. He sang like 25 "songs" to the exact same tune. Those are verses moron and again they are verses to what seems to be the only song you remember from cub scouts.

This was a very painful 20 some minutes to sit through and just when I thought it would end there was a singalong in which the audience was not allowed to actually sing along even when the Rock had the words of his song Karaoked onto the titantron. The Rock's gimmick is pretty meaningless when he doesn't trust the crowd to do the whole chanting and singing thing.

This was another easy win for Cena and I can only assume another step towards the writers being successful at getting a divided crowd for WrestleMania.

[lensnart]

Goldust is in my fave 5.

We were playing fave five while watching our PVR of Raw last night.

Mine: Cody, Punk, Ziggler, Bryan, Christian
Erin's: Cena, Kofi, Miz, Show, Randy

[TODDRUSSELL]

like current or all time?

[Sheeplover]

Fans reacted well, Rock poked fun at himself by checking his forearm.

I think he was showing us his goosebumps again. He gets legit excited to be out there.

[zyxba]

Rock is going to win at Mania in Miami, and the next two matches (Summerslam and next Wrestlemania) will go to Cena. That's pretty likely what's going to happen.

Anyone watching TNA? They've definitely been putting on some solid shows recently.

[turdburglar47]

Nah. Rock's gonna job and then be done with it.

[lensnart]

like current or all time?

Just current.

All time would have to have room for Raven, Mr. Perfect, and Roddy Piper. Also if I was being really honest I would need to include Billy Jack Haynes who I inexplicably loved as a kid, and probably Bret just because he's the hometown boy and on the few occasions that I've sat down with him he struck me as a good guy that loves the business.

[ThorKnigh83]

my fav 5 of all time would be
Rey Mysterio, Jake Roberts, Steve Austin, Terry Funk, Macho Man.

I love Rey for what he has done in bringing the Mexican Lucha Libre style into prominence in the states. Besides he is small like me so it makes me root for him that much more.
Jake due to the mind games he could play. He has no match for mind games. His fued with Undertaker was one of my favs.
Steve Austin because he is the common man wrestler. I loved the attitude era and he was the spokesman for that time.
Terry Funk because he was willing to do anything to his body and i remember watching him here in TX when I was a kid and he was the man in these parts. He and Cactus Jack had way too many awesome battles in their careers.
Macho Man because of his natural athletic talent and his ability on the microphone and who doesn't love hearing snap it to a slim jim when he said it.

I can't name 5 wrestlers right now that I like but outside of those still wrestling that are on my fav 5 from all time id say I really like Seamus but really I don't know many of the newer crew very well.

[zyxba]

My WWE Current Fave Five:

Sheamus
Jack Swagger
Mark Henry
Daniel Bryan
David Otunga

[ThorKnigh83]

I hear a lot of people talk about Otunga. What do you consider his strengths?
and who do you think does the best mic work these days?

[vamroc]

I hear a lot of people talk about Otunga. What do you consider his strengths?
and who do you think does the best mic work these days?

Otunga is big, strong, and fast

No one works a mic like Chris Jericho not the Rock, not Cena, not even C.M. Punk

[ThorKnigh83]

I have always been a fan of Jericho. His mic skills were always pretty good. Especially by the time he made it to WWE. Early in his WCW career he left something to be desired but still.

Who would you equate Otunga's wrestling style to?

[vamroc]

I have always been a fan of Jericho. His mic skills were always pretty good. Especially by the time he made it to WWE. Early in his WCW career he left something to be desired but still.

Who would you equate Otunga's wrestling style to?

Brock Lesnar

[JDKenada]

Brock Lesnar

I would equate Otunga closer to Batista in his early days to be honest. Lesnar was at least an NCAA champion before he even signed with WWE. Otunga has the power like Batista but he's still a bit too stiff in the ring, much like Big Dave was for a while.

I'll say this, the Carlton Banks lawyer gimmick is pure gold for Otunga.

[JDKenada]

Current Top 5:
Dolph Ziggler
CM Punk
Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
Cody Rhodes or Beth Phoenix

All-Time:
Shawn Michaels
Raven
Chris Benoit (Yeah, I said it...and nothing takes away from how good he was up until what happened)
Brock Lesnar
William Regal

[Fredwood]

Rock is going to win at Mania in Miami, and the next two matches (Summerslam and next Wrestlemania) will go to Cena. That's pretty likely what's going to happen.

Anyone watching TNA? They've definitely been putting on some solid shows recently.


Yes, they've taken an upswing since Russo left. They look like they're finally giving Magnus a push Joe is out of the cellar, and Austin Aries is getting some attention as well. And Bobby Roode is a charismatic young HHH. I was hoping they'd turn it around once Pritchard and Lagana took over, and so far so good. Plus I still have a soft spot for Angle, and the fact that he's reverting back to his old look is very welcome.

Fav 5
Warrior (little kid in me)
Angle
Austin
Punk
Hart

Current 5:
Rhodes
Ziggler
Punk
Daniels
Barrett/Sheamus feel they're pretty much interchangeable.

[ClearlySane88]

Fav 5
Warrior (little kid in me)
Angle
Austin
Punk
Hart

Current 5:
Rhodes
Ziggler
Punk
Daniels
Barrett/Sheamus feel they're pretty much interchangeable.

True story, I was absolutely terrified of Warrior when I was a little kid. Every time he ran down to the ring and shook the ropes, I would run into my bedroom and hide until his match was over. I was a strange kid. >.>

As for me, here are my favorites:

Current 5:
Punk
Ziggler
Jericho
Bryan
Rhodes

All Time 5:
Taker
Michaels
Macho Man
Jericho
Mick Foley

Christian will probably shoot straight back into my Current 5 once he comes back and starts wrestling. Love the guy and he easily had one of my favorite moments from last year. Speaking of Christian, I'm not normally a Randy Orton fan, but the man has been absolutely on fire in the ring lately. He has seriously been having good to great matches with all most everyone he's wrestled with for all most a year. Kane was probably the first feud he's had in a looooong while where I thought, "This might not be that good."

Barret will probably show up in my 5 as well once Jericho leaves for good or depending on how some of the other's preform going forward. I know my list looks a lot like an "Internet Wrestling Fan's" list, but that's just what I like. I can put up with really, REEEEALLY dumb stories as long as the in ring product is good, which it has been as of late.

[zyxba]

I'm a huge Jericho fan, but his recent work hasn't exactly set the world on fire, same with CM Punk.

Otunga gets in solely on his gimmick. An evil, slimy wrestling lawyer = gold. He's not the best in the ring, but he's definitely charismatic.

[ClearlySane88]

I'm a huge Jericho fan, but his recent work hasn't exactly set the world on fire, same with CM Punk.

Otunga gets in solely on his gimmick. An evil, slimy wrestling lawyer = gold. He's not the best in the ring, but he's definitely charismatic.

Funny how things like that work out sometimes, eh? When he was teaming with McGuillicuty that was what people had complained about them the most, at least from what I was hearing, that neither man had any charisma whatsoever. One very easy and simple gimmick change and, all of a sudden, he's one of the funnest characters to watch on Mondays.

[JDKenada]

Funny how things like that work out sometimes, eh? When he was teaming with McGuillicuty that was what people had complained about them the most, at least from what I was hearing, that neither man had any charisma whatsoever. One very easy and simple gimmick change and, all of a sudden, he's one of the funnest characters to watch on Mondays.

Actually, the complaints I saw regarding Otunga was that he was going to kill someone in the ring. It was harsh, but it illustrated how stiff and green he still was.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Ok
Current:
Santino
Brodus Clay
Dolph Zigler
CM Punk
Randy Orton

ALL TIME:
Van Vader
Undertaker
HBK
Goldust
Hulk Hogan

Vader was all hardcore and did the most amazing Vader-sault

[valtrades]

[QUOTE=

Vader was all hardcore and did the most amazing Vader-sault[/QUOTE]

which, anyone taking it had to have been completely insane :speechles

Rikishi was the only one in WWE who ever took it. None of the upper card workers in WCW would either, other than Sting and Catcus Jack

[zyxba]

A child mistook me for Mike Knox yesterday. I laughed.

[JDub]

Current Top 5

Chris Jericho
CM Punk
Santino
Daniel Bryan
I'll say Cody Rhodes

All Time Top 5

Mick Foley
Chris Jericho
Tommy Dreamer
RVD
The Rock

[OnyxPrimal]

I'll get in on this:

Current Top 5
CM Punk
Chris Jericho
Dolph Ziggler
MVP (his work New Japan has been awesome)
Prince Devitt (Check this guy out in New Japan)

All Time Top 5
Ric Flair
Randy Savage
Big Van Vader
The Road Warriors
The Great Muta (Keiji Mutoh)

[ClearlySane88]

Ok
Current:
Santino
Brodus Clay
Dolph Zigler
CM Punk
Randy Orton

ALL TIME:
Van Vader
Undertaker
HBK
Goldust
Hulk Hogan

Vader was all hardcore and did the most amazing Vader-sault

I must say, I really like what they've done with Brodus Clay, even though many internet fans don't seem to like it. Reminds me a lot of Rikishi, big dude who dances to/in the ring and then destroys guys, and anything that reminds me of Rikishi is all right in my book.

[NeoShazam]

All Time Top 5

Samoa Joe (RoH)
Bryan Danielson (RoH)
The Rock
Kurt Angle (WWE)
Edge and Christian as a Tag Team

[TODDRUSSELL]

I'm surprised that not many other peeps on here are diggin the Funkasaurus.

[kfrog71]

Hey all, I know I haven't posted in here before but I seem to be following everything a lot closer with Wrestlemania right around the corner and have been checking in here periodically. I saw the top five list and wanted to get in on the fun. So, in no particular order:

All time:

Jake Roberts
Doink the Clown (The original Matt Osborne heel)
The Great Muta
Hulk Hogan- What can I say, I was young...
Brett Hart

With special spots still for Andre the Giant and Tiger Mask because, sometimes, five just ain't enough!


Current:

Alberto Del Rio- I just think he carries the gimmick so well
Dolph Ziggler- Based more on his in-ring work. He looks very natural.
Santino- I will stop what I'm doing to watch him. The man is funny!
Viki Guerrero- I know she's not a wrestler but she is good at what she does.
Zima Ion- Although the Miz is pretty close in here too.

The current list doesn't seem to be as rich as my all-time faves...

[Bubblehead]

I'm in! (like Pete Carroll)

All Time:
Mr. Perfect
APA
Chris Jericho
Rowdy Roddy Piper (because he was that damn entertaining)
Sgt. Slaughter

Current:
Christian
Chris Jericho
Cody Rhodes
Funkasaurus (we'll see where he goes)
Matt Morgan (don't ask me why...always thought he had so much potential)

[PhoenixFire]

Can't resist

All Time 5
Andre the Giant
Undertaker
Bret Hart
Curt Hennig
NWO Crew

Current 5
Sheamus (That's a given)
CM Punk
John Laurinaitis (I like the way he's a bad guy but doesn't think he is doing anything wrong)
Santino
Alicia Fox (My eye candy)

[PhoenixFire]

I'm surprised that not many other peeps on here are diggin the Funkasaurus.

I dig


With special spots still for Andre the Giant and Tiger Mask because, sometimes, five just ain't enough!


Not sure if ten would have been enough...picking just five was excruciating :grin:

[zyxba]

Funkasaurus Brodus Clay is right outside my WWE Fave Five.

And if we're going overall current Fave Five:

Austin Aries
Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
AJ Styles
Ultramantis Black

And Fave Five ever:

Bret Hart
Sting
Alex Shelley
AJ Styles
Diamond Dallas Page

[Bubblehead]

Rock and Cena should take some notes on how to cut a promo.

OH wait....just found one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3taaGYw7l0&feature=related

Shawn Michaels vs Mr. Perfect interviewed by Gene Okerlund.


Just a different age. "Boy toy, Boy George, whatever...." :laugh:

[TODDRUSSELL]

Yeah Brodus Clay has really short matches... thats his big down size. 1 Question in that regard, Are his matches short because they are just trying to get him any air time, or are they short because he isn't that good?

[Contingency Plan]

Yeah Brodus Clay has really short matches... thats his big down size. 1 Question in that regard, Are his matches short because they are just trying to get him any air time, or are they short because he isn't that good?

They are short because they are trying to protect him. He can't carry matches yet. Right now he is nothing more than the Great Khali.

Also from what I have read, McMahon is upset about his work ethic. Lazy and doesn't try to improve.