Any real comics fans out there?

[ryanrobb]

I have been collecting and playing for awhile now. Mostly playing with my kids. Because I have buying and trading a lot, the local comic store owner invited me out to "hero clix night". I went but was so disapointed with what I saw.

Everyone was playing with the same characters, you know, Firelords, Invisible Girls, Doombots, etc. And not only that, most teams had 2-3 Firelords, etc. They had these huge teams, all exactly the same. What fun is a team of Black Panthers against a team of Black Panthers? The minor characters are taking over.

Whatever happened to X-Men vs. The Brotherhood? Or FF vs. Doom? Batman vs. The Joker. The staple characters are missing from the game they inspired.

I am not saying we change the game, just play it the way it was supposed to be played.

My disapointment is about the loss of what makes heroclix great. The characters we love from the comics are not being used, they have been lost by the strategy. Maybe they should change the name to Risk, or Axis and Allies. :cry:

[boneyard]

With my friends, we have more fun playing teams against teams (X-men vs. Avengers, etc) or good guys vs bad. I don't think I've ever played a game that didn't make some sort of sense team-up-wise.

As a huge comic fan, I just can't bring myself to do it, no matter how advantageous it is for me.

It just isn't right to see Booster Gold team up with the Joker.

[Melkoloran]

It all comes down to the old fun vs. competition debate.

[EVIL CAP]

From the sound of the teams your up against it sounds more like an "I heard this is Awesome/Unbeatable/l33t on the internet" kinda thing.Multi-Firelord teams have worn out thier effectiveness a while back

[Hatut Zeraze]

I've been playing awhile and reading many of these posts for a while. I'm not sure why everybody talks about Black Panther as being so great in the game. Black Panther is my favorite Marvel comic and character. He was my first clix. I try to use him pretty regularly. In game terms, though, I don't find him that effective. He doesn't keep any of his cool powers long enough to really use them in most games I play. Frankly, I think the character's nowhere near as tough as his comic illustrates, but hey, it's a game.

[ontapmedia]

It's a game and I have collected the comics for 20+ years. I am a huge comic fan collecting about 30 titles monthly. I know a lot of comic history involving not only the characters but the people who make them possible.

If you want to play X-men Vs. Brotherhood that's fine. But when you take into consideration that the game is designed with certain team abilities and those abilities have thier own advantages and drawbacks just like the individual figures do well you start to play the game as a strategy game and building teams of characters that would never work together in the books.

I mean I often use teams that have doombots, whirlwind, bullseye and previously at least a member of the brotherhood or Avengers for the free movement.

I understand that some people want to play comic based teams and you should and I play at one venue that changes the scenario every week and one where it's always a 300 point Marvel or DC game.

The first place Game Empire in San Diego is awesome in that each new scenario challenges you as a player to design a new team to beat whatever the challenge is.

I play online too and I typically do really well online. I think the scenarios in Game Empire have helped me be well rounded and a better overall player.

Use your imagination and devise good strategies. Look at building a team the way you would draft a football team.

I hate to say it but very few of the teams really offer up a good selection of fairly pointed characters to do all the things you need to do.

Shield (no Flyers) .... Unless you consider Mandroids TKing another character to be flying in a sense.

X-men ..... Now it's a pretty fairly rounded team thanks largely to the new cheaper pointwise X-men. They finall have a cheaper flyer then Rogue who was too expensive in my opinion.

Spiderman team: This team is too point expensive and has only about a half dozen figures. No healers, No Flyers

Avengers: Another decent team but many are too point expensive for a 200 point game and maybe even a 300 point game. I mean how often will you really get to field a Thor or Ironman or Vision or Quasar. I quess it really depends on how you like to spend your points. I like to build 8-10 fig armies for my 300 point games so I'm probably more thrifty then most.

Brotherhood: Limited Flyers (Magneto) I mean you have an expensive free mover who you will want as an attacker but will probably waste as a taxi. That's lame. Blob is useless. Toad is pretty useless. Avalanche and pyro are not bad. Sabretooth is my favorite here mostly because i think BCF is very valuble especially against figs with Invulnerbility. Destiny is easy one of my new favorites. Probability for as low as 20 points is a steal. Also a greater and more valuble asset to gain free movement for your wildcards instead of the near useless 18 pt. Quicksilver.

MoE : Great ability but you have to be a master strategist in regards to movement and placement. Whirlwind is deadly with 3 damge and flurry in his veteran form. That's without being perplexed.

Syndicate: I honestly dont think much of this ability but that's just me.

Hydra: It's a nice team ability but I dont build teams around it for many of the same reasons I dont build teams around Shield. However the Hydra have come out with a lot of new possibilities with Viper and The various Hand Ninjas.

Fantastic Four: I think this power has it's merits but cant help thinking that it stinks that you have to lose someone in order for it to work. I think I'd probably have to sacrafice Mr. Fantastic. This guy is useless. He Doesn't even get leadership. sad.

Skrull: I thought this was a cool ability but hitting a six is just too limiting. I think they should have made it 5 or 6. Like Super senses. I mean the Batman team ability is stealth. Why not make Skrulls have automatic super senses.

Just some opinions. - Terrence

[EVIL CAP]

Originally posted by Hatut Zeraze
I've been playing awhile and reading many of these posts for a while. I'm not sure why everybody talks about Black Panther as being so great in the game. Black Panther is my favorite Marvel comic and character. He was my first clix. I try to use him pretty regularly. In game terms, though, I don't find him that effective. He doesn't keep any of his cool powers long enough to really use them in most games I play. Frankly, I think the character's nowhere near as tough as his comic illustrates, but hey, it's a game.

Basic Black Panther useage 101

Step 1-Put Black Panther in hindering terreign so he cant be shot at and use outwit on your opponents defensive powers like Invulnerability/Toughness etc

Step 2-Have another character perferablly a powerful one hit the character

Step 3-Laugh at Uber tough character getting dropped at least 3-6 click reguardless of his/her defenseive ability

Optional Step 4-EXP Black Panther has blades which makes it much more dangerous to attack him and try to get in the way of his outwit

[warden]

We don't have so much trouble with power-gamers here but we had a good team-based event recently. The format was:

Format - 3-4 rounds swiss depending on numbers. 300 point constructed Marvel or DC. At least 250 points must come from a single team (eg Avengers, X-Men, Batman Ally). You can also add ONE non-affiliated character (ie no team symbol) costing no more than 50 points. This helps round out some of the teams. You may not mix Marvel and DC on the same team. No duplicates of named characters. Wildcards copy the ability of their opponents team.

I quite enjoyed building a force for each possible team and then chose Sinister Syndicate for the event. Everyone seemed to enjoy the event which was won by a Minions of Doom team.

The format would become stale if you played it every time but it's certainly an excellent alternative to the standard open format and helps to keep the cheese under control.

Andrew

[yodabruin]

I've been a huge Marvel fan my entire life, and every game I play has some influence from past stories. We even go so far as to make lists of who we need (who who should be released!) to have a good Mutant Massacre, or multiplayer Secret Wars, or replaying the classic X-Men vs. FF. We also choose between R/E/V based on the time period we're playing. Sure we still choose our own forces and have straight up heroclix battles, but the story based ones are always the most fun we have playing the game.

[rocketslam]

I would love to play the X-men Blue or Gold Team, but the people I play with only want to play 200 point games. :(