View Full Version : Praetor of the Empire!
WizKidsNECA
02/27/2012, 12:00
For today’s Marvel HeroClix: Galactic Guardians Annihilators Fast Forces pack preview, we highlight the Shi’Ar Imperial Guard’s praetor, Gladiator!
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He is a total beast for the points.
100 Points buys you Power Cosmic, Flurry, 11 Atk, and 4 DMG! Yes please. I will take that all day every day.
charlesx
02/27/2012, 12:42
Sweet! Is this guy really an Uncommon?
If so, NICE!! :cool:
carnage666
02/27/2012, 12:43
Nice stats, even without the SP bump. I think I shall be playing this one!
Havickzbeck
02/27/2012, 12:43
Whats up with these figs that are just sitting ducks?
Power cosmic that only lasts until 1 of your figs is taken out doesn't sound all that appealing to me, nor does a mere 6 range.
Too many slots of KO, and too few move and attack.
Extremely disappointing.
Now I'm thinking of passing on the FF set entirely.
Gorodish
02/27/2012, 12:46
Not bad. It looks like we're seeng a consistent lowering of DV's this set while the AV's seem to stay high.
GreySkull
02/27/2012, 12:46
This may indeed be one of the most effective uses of 100 points in the game. Now just imagine using him as Galactus's Herald :devious:
rickisadork
02/27/2012, 12:54
in the words of Myron Cope..."DOUBLE YOI!!!!!"
i can see a worlds team of this fig at 100, FF supes and Lex Luthor doing well...
oleandervine
02/27/2012, 12:59
I love the figure - up until his clicks of Plasticity. Pairing Plasticity with Steal Energy and Toughness with a mere 15 Defense seems to me like one of the worst power combos ever. Basically, he locks a foe in with him, where he has his weakest defenses and not much damage reduction. It seems like the quickest way to kill himself, if you ask me. Even Steal Energy is flawed here, as it pushes him out of Plasticity. Early game, he's amazing, but I'm just not feeling the end of that dial. Also, I'm a little upset that they're previewing characters they've previewed from the main set, and not new ones we haven't seen before. Seems like a cop out to me.
Joey Jellico
02/27/2012, 13:01
Nice, I still like the main set one better though, as far as comic accuracy that is.
Maybe I'm imagining things but they seem to be lowering the overall cost of Power Cosmic figs. Scary stuff. :confused:
Battletank900
02/27/2012, 13:07
Whats up with these figs that are just sitting ducks?
Power cosmic that only lasts until 1 of your figs is taken out doesn't sound all that appealing to me, nor does a mere 6 range.
Too many slots of KO, and too few move and attack.
Extremely disappointing.
Now I'm thinking of passing on the FF set entirely.
Is this your attempt at stand up comedy??? You got to be kidding me if you're serious.
maddragon13
02/27/2012, 13:11
Not bad but doesn't really excite me any. Guess I'll have to play him to before I make up my mind on him.
KidSinestro
02/27/2012, 13:24
I would've been happier with a preview of someone we haven't seen in a preview for the set. Let's see some new characters and dials. Not just the same guys over and over again with different dials.
BTW, I think he's great for the points.
UltimateWarrior
02/27/2012, 13:26
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is an absolute monster for his points early dial?
Also, he seems perfect for highlander games.
Whats up with these figs that are just sitting ducks?
Power cosmic that only lasts until 1 of your figs is taken out doesn't sound all that appealing to me, nor does a mere 6 range.
Too many slots of KO, and too few move and attack.
Extremely disappointing.
Now I'm thinking of passing on the FF set entirely.
Don't blame WK there just reacting to the vocal 5% who complain about power creep and whine endlessly about figures they don't have being unfair to play against. I'd love for him to start HSS 12, Super Strength 12, Imperv 18, and 5 Damage on his first 3 clicks but under the current climate that's just not gonna happen but I'm okay with that fact because it's still a great figure.
Tim Drake
02/27/2012, 13:29
Sweet! Is this guy really an Uncommon?
If so, NICE!! :cool:
Where you getting uncommon, Charles? It's from the Fast Forces pack...
Whats up with these figs that are just sitting ducks?
Power cosmic that only lasts until 1 of your figs is taken out doesn't sound all that appealing to me, nor does a mere 6 range.
Too many slots of KO, and too few move and attack.
Extremely disappointing.
Now I'm thinking of passing on the FF set entirely.
This seems to be exactly the kind of player mindset that WizKids has been fighting the last few sets. They're moving the game away from high-range move-and-attack first strike pieces. Things are starting to require more strategy, which from my perspective is a very, very good thing.
beecaveman
02/27/2012, 13:37
He brings the Annihilators FF back into the want category for me. I was blase about Surfer and Nova but I really like him. What a great SP.
I will take 3 please.
He is not unique so just use 2 or 3 of him in a 300 point tournament.
The Maimed Lord
02/27/2012, 13:43
Add the Gem of Cytorrak to his 100 pnt version and things get sloppy for your opponent
Skericide
02/27/2012, 13:50
I'm loving the way this set is looking, and as usual the Fast Forces are looking pretty awesome.
Rule #1 of playing this Gladiator: Don't use any bystander tokens.
I like him quite a bit. The stats are strong enough to give me a taste of the head of the Imperial Guard at his best. Confidence hints at his worst. And between these bookends I think they've captured the essence of the character during War of Kings, numbed and worn down by the internecine politics of the Shi'Ar. My lone gripe is the Steal Energy. They're using it here to show him rebuilding his confidence, but the power has always had a rather vampiric connotation that seems out of place for the character.
At first all I read was the stats and was a bit dissapointed until I saw his special power, then I was really exited about this click, however I still like the set version better but this one is pretty solid just wish he had more charge or other mobile attacks.
Sentinel Mark V
02/27/2012, 14:54
This guy seems like a beast for the points... Especially at 100 points. I can't wait to purchase the GG Fast Forces pack!
Thorgrin
02/27/2012, 15:26
The way I'm seeing the plasticity and steal energy is that you're going to throw him up in close combat. Assuming he gets smacked by a counter offensive (someone other than the first person he attacked since they are probably hurting form the 8 damage (more with super strength, or less if damage reducers)), thus keeping his primary target locked with him so he can follow up with the steal energy and get him back to the flurry/invulnerability combo. That would also push him back up to the 17 defense and power cosmic TA.
Also keep in mind, normal previews are on FRIDAY. Anything during the week or weekend is a bonus. So while you may feel it is a cop out, it's still a "bonus" to see figures throughout the week as opposed to waiting to Friday where is where it used to be.
I love the figure - up until his clicks of Plasticity. Pairing Plasticity with Steal Energy and Toughness with a mere 15 Defense seems to me like one of the worst power combos ever. Basically, he locks a foe in with him, where he has his weakest defenses and not much damage reduction. It seems like the quickest way to kill himself, if you ask me. Even Steal Energy is flawed here, as it pushes him out of Plasticity. Early game, he's amazing, but I'm just not feeling the end of that dial. Also, I'm a little upset that they're previewing characters they've previewed from the main set, and not new ones we haven't seen before. Seems like a cop out to me.
spideyfriend
02/27/2012, 15:46
Wow! I'm kinda surprised everyone seems to be liking this fig.
He will be fun in friendly games (which I like to play) but in a
competitive touney he is toasted by Superman, kidnapped by
Nightcrawler to be kill by his teammates, or zapped by Prof. X
Was hoping for some competitive pieces in this set to change
up the same old pieces I see every week. :(
Oh well.
bearrock2003
02/27/2012, 15:51
Now this is a $#&%ing good figure!!!
realdarkphoenix
02/27/2012, 15:57
did the preview the one from the main set yet?
traitorarmor
02/27/2012, 16:04
Wow! I'm kinda surprised everyone seems to be liking this fig.
He will be fun in friendly games (which I like to play) but in a
competitive touney he is toasted by Superman,
If I'm not mistaken he's not alone in that.....apparently Superman is a tough cookie.
kidnapped by
Nightcrawler to be kill by his teammates,
As opposed to all of the other characters who can't be kidnapped by the fuzzy blue elf.
or zapped by Prof. X
You're right, he doesn't have stealth or a camo ability.
Was hoping for some competitive pieces in this set to change
up the same old pieces I see every week. :(
Oh well.
Look at the 100 pt version and Ciera (IH), they might be alright.
did the preview the one from the main set yet?
Yes, and he's in the unit section.
Havickzbeck
02/27/2012, 16:21
Wow! I'm kinda surprised everyone seems to be liking this fig.
He will be fun in friendly games (which I like to play) but in a
competitive touney he is toasted by Superman, kidnapped by
Nightcrawler to be kill by his teammates, or zapped by Prof. X
Was hoping for some competitive pieces in this set to change
up the same old pieces I see every week. :(
Oh well.
apparently you lack of love for the fig makes you a comedian!
I always loved how Gladiator gets his power and they have reflected that well in both clicks.
Plasticity seems like a good way to make sure you can use steal energy.
Wow! I'm kinda surprised everyone seems to be liking this fig.
He will be fun in friendly games (which I like to play) but in a
competitive touney he is toasted by Superman, kidnapped by
Nightcrawler to be kill by his teammates, or zapped by Prof. X
Was hoping for some competitive pieces in this set to change
up the same old pieces I see every week. :(
Oh well.
So your suggestion is that we currently have three figures who break the meta b/c they are simply over powered for their point cost so we must make other figures who are just better than that? So your suggestion is that we ramp up the power creep to make all older figures obsolete? I'm sorry but your argument is just silly.
#001 Superman is an insane figure for his points. He makes toast out of a lot of figures especially those in his price range.
Bencrawler's tactic works on every figure in the game with the exception of figures that cannot be placed so how is Gladiator any different?
Prof X can "Zap" every figure that does not have stealth or an ability to prevent PB.
If anything the solid defense number of 18 should go against your argument b/c he is harder to hit than most. I just don't understand your post at all unless you enjoy a game that gets to the point where Cosmic Spider-Man type figures cost 24 points making all older figures no longer playable.
Skeet181
02/27/2012, 16:46
Add the Gem of Cytorrak to his 100 pnt version and things get sloppy for your opponent
The black suit Spidey from WoS agrees!
foomonkey
02/27/2012, 17:01
First look i though he was alright at both point costs, probably favoring the 200pt version. Then eventually i come to his SP and i was like...
...Whaa?!?!
...Power Cosmic and +1 to all his stats is INSANIA!!
People have been complaining about this guy and i have no idea why? I think he's amazing at both point costs and WK have done a great job with this version of the character to represent him getting weaker as his confidence drops from seeing his allies get KO'd.
Well done WK! ... 2/6 so far with Surfer and Gladiator being clix that i want. If they make it 4/6 of exciting figs like this, i'll be picking up a pack of this product!
Havickzbeck
02/27/2012, 17:06
First look i though he was alright at both point costs, probably favoring the 200pt version. Then eventually i come to his SP and i was like...
Whaa?!?!
...Power Cosmic and +1 to all his stats is INSANIA!!
!
I guess people aren't looking at the obvious factor which is that opposing players are simply going to go gunning for the easiest character to take down on your team rather than Gladiator.
Once that character is toast Gladiator stinks.
jabarryto
02/27/2012, 17:13
at the 100 pt lvl he will be a sweet partner for the supes sr darkseid on 400pt and up ruler teams.
i like him
edit - actually he'll be good w/darkseid on any 400+ pt team theme or otherwise.
WestCoastAvengers
02/27/2012, 17:17
Great sculpt and dial. A lot of people have waiting a long time for a new Gladiator.
foomonkey
02/27/2012, 17:18
I guess people aren't looking at the obvious factor which is that opposing players are simply going to go gunning for the easiest character to take down on your team rather than Gladiator.
Once that character is toast Gladiator stinks.
Yeh i thought that too but then i figured thats why you take the offensive and throw in Gladiator 1st. Also you opponent has to break through your team to get to the weakest member who'll probably be at the back of your force.
This figure is meant to be played in an all out attack method. It's about getting stuck in and making the most of his powers while they are available.
I think he'll be really fun to play with!
EDIT : Also, what if you are playing a game where all your figures are 150+ points. It's not like he's gonna lose the SP easily if it takes alot to take down 1 of your other team members.
Interesting figure, seems solid enough.
Havickzbeck: I don't disagree with your arguments, but it comes off as overly dramatic when someone sees a figure and then adds "I'm going to not buy this set at all now " at the end of it. I'm not telling you how to spend your money, I just think your trying too hard to draw attention to your personal feelings and it comes off poorly.
That being said, once a power creep starts, you run into a major problem. You either scale back the figures, at which point the new figures become undesirable until the older figures rotate ( and will ALWAYS be outclasses in golden age, where the "problem" figures remain legal forever...so the issue of outclassing old figures is a permanent reality once the issue figure gets printed in the first place. ) or you continue the power creep, which makes new figures more desirable, or at least maintain the power creep. The viability of "golden age" figures shouldn't be a priority. The vast majority of those figures are so outclassed by now that you can't design figures with their maintained viability in mind.
If you ever played the VS System TCG ( marvel and dc trading card game ) you'll notice the first two sets were very powerful, and the next 3-4 sets they "reeled in" their design and pumped out very weak cards by comparison to not make the same "mistakes" they did before. The problem? Those sets tanked because they couldn't compete with the first two sets so no one cared to buy them and the metagame of decks stayed entirely stagnant. All the momentum the game had from its first two sets was gone, and it likely put the nail in the coffin for the game, despite the fact that it continued for a few years, just not nearly with the potential it had based on its start. I'm not saying Heroclix will die or anything, but this sort of "reeling in" on design really does negatively impact a game.
The best concession would be to "freeze" the power creep. Rather than revert and pull back from the established "top tier" simply make all the new sets on par with it. Yes, the older figures will be outdated, but lets be honest, personal bias of wanting your older figures to be good, the unfortunate truth is they are already outclassed. They don't apply to Modern Age anyways, and Golden Age figures are already weaker than the best figures. Now it just "freezes" the metagame in place with certain figures at the top of the golden age game, with almost no chance of new figures matching them. At least with new stronger figures you mix it up, even if the same pool of weaker figures stay unplayed. I don't agree with how Wizkids in handling the new set designs overall, the growing pains in modern age events is going to be brutal over the course of the next few years if the current trend keeps up.
That being said, I'll likely continue to casually buy figures, but I will certainly be less enthusiastic to attend tournaments, which normally is my biggest source of excitement regarding Heroclix.
Owlman166
02/27/2012, 17:47
not exciting, but not bad.
I already know I'm going to be playing this one alot, He can also be a one man army in a small 200pt game. I'd love to play him in a 500pt game with the champion when I get one.
thats cool and all......how about a Doom or Xavin preview?
gambitrmp
02/27/2012, 19:12
I thought this figure would be the reason to get the FF pack, now I'm not sure he's better than the old unique although power cosmic helps assuming you can keep the rest of the team safe.
Nice to have a cheap option for 100 I guess.
Still gives people plenty of reason to want the SR but unless he price drops like crazy, I guess I'll be satisfied with this one & the old unique.
Flash Gordon
02/27/2012, 20:59
That being said, once a power creep starts, you run into a major problem. You either scale back the figures, at which point the new figures become undesirable until the older figures rotate ( and will ALWAYS be outclasses in golden age, where the "problem" figures remain legal forever...so the issue of outclassing old figures is a permanent reality once the issue figure gets printed in the first place. ) or you continue the power creep, which makes new figures more desirable, or at least maintain the power creep. The viability of "golden age" figures shouldn't be a priority. The vast majority of those figures are so outclassed by now that you can't design figures with their maintained viability in mind.
If you ever played the VS System TCG ( marvel and dc trading card game ) you'll notice the first two sets were very powerful, and the next 3-4 sets they "reeled in" their design and pumped out very weak cards by comparison to not make the same "mistakes" they did before. The problem? Those sets tanked because they couldn't compete with the first two sets so no one cared to buy them and the metagame of decks stayed entirely stagnant. All the momentum the game had from its first two sets was gone, and it likely put the nail in the coffin for the game, despite the fact that it continued for a few years, just not nearly with the potential it had based on its start. I'm not saying Heroclix will die or anything, but this sort of "reeling in" on design really does negatively impact a game.
The best concession would be to "freeze" the power creep. Rather than revert and pull back from the established "top tier" simply make all the new sets on par with it. Yes, the older figures will be outdated, but lets be honest, personal bias of wanting your older figures to be good, the unfortunate truth is they are already outclassed. They don't apply to Modern Age anyways, and Golden Age figures are already weaker than the best figures. Now it just "freezes" the metagame in place with certain figures at the top of the golden age game, with almost no chance of new figures matching them. At least with new stronger figures you mix it up, even if the same pool of weaker figures stay unplayed. I don't agree with how Wizkids in handling the new set designs overall, the growing pains in modern age events is going to be brutal over the course of the next few years if the current trend keeps up.
I love this post, I agree with alot of it.
I don't play Heroclix super competively and luckly play at a venue that has a great judge that likes to mix it up when we play for LEs. Modern Age ,Golden Age, no figures above 150 points, no figures under 100 points,themes only etc. so I have the chance to use lots of figures and appreciate them.
With that said I like this guy at 200 and love him at 100, can't wait to add him to my collection.
Ruiner I played Vs.,alot what happened is they went on wild swings of power creep and reeling in. DC and Marvel Origins had Teen Titans, Doom (which dominated early on),Brother Hood and Sentinels and then they massively reeled in for Web of Spiderman and Superman, then power creep again for Avengers and Green Lantern on and on.
Wizkids does need to decide what they want to do and stick with it but I must say if Superman seems to be the only modern legal set where they went totally overboard, Hulk was reeled in, Galactic Guardians seems to be a mixed bag so far.
Havickzbeck
02/27/2012, 21:19
Havickzbeck: I don't disagree with your arguments, but it comes off as overly dramatic when someone sees a figure and then adds "I'm going to not buy this set at all now " at the end of it. I'm not telling you how to spend your money, I just think your trying too hard to draw attention to your personal feelings and it comes off poorly.
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We've seen 3 figs from the FF set and although I was impressed with Surfer at 1st I realized it was simply seeing 2 clicks of Impervious at the front of his dial that excited me.
Upon further examination I found him extremely boring and under powered.
Nova is just plain awful.
So what can I say?
So far it look like I won't be buying the FF set, rather than maybe picking some of the individual figs off ebay.
I'm mostly happy with the main set, its just the FF set that has left me cold.
And whats so dramatic about that?
It looks like I won't be buying the set, why is my saying that so dramatic?
Its just an FF set.
Mercwthmouth
02/27/2012, 21:32
Just once I wish I could read a clix preview without people useing the "S" word, we all know that figure is OP and for hacks so move on.
PlotDeviceLad
02/27/2012, 21:36
Cool preview. Looking forward to this Fast Forces.
Danzig01
02/27/2012, 21:42
Anybody know if Gladiator and The Champion ever faced each other in the comics before?
Boozehound
02/27/2012, 21:43
Very happy with this fig.
speedy92286
02/27/2012, 21:58
I have zero complaints. He is definitely a nice addition to 300 point games for 100. While I love the GG version, this one might actually see more play from me.
kencklets
02/27/2012, 22:29
I will play him in 300 points games with Salaak and his 200 points version. Salaak brings support and it's not that easy to kill.
Tk him base your opponent and PC and shot from 8 squares away, you need to keep salaak or any other figure alive while you can.
To me dials and figures are nice better if they are good like the supes FF but i buy FF sets for the maps.
Regards
Kenneth
The DC Explorer
02/27/2012, 22:58
Yes. OMG. YES. I always look to see if a Ruler will fit with Darkseid, um yes this works at 100 points. Now we have a nasty 400 pt team. Darkseid, Gladiator, and 3 nurses. Or any combo with nurses, gamma bomb, or gauntlet. Not full one but still with a couple gems. This would be nasty.
Fly up Gladiator. Outwith with Darkseid. Then have Gladiator Flurry twice for 4 damage each. Then do it all again next turn lol wow. Sign me up for this team, I will be trying this out.
afinley2429
02/28/2012, 00:36
i probably wont pull the super rare this will suffice for me
Anybody know if Gladiator and The Champion ever faced each other in the comics before?
Yeah, they did, in Dan Slott's She-Hulk. Gladiator lost. Very, VERY badly
Thorngren
02/28/2012, 03:02
This guy looks like a total boss yo! I figured I wouldn't pull his super rare version, so I preordered the FF pack. The 200 point Surfer was a bit of a letdown (even more so after we saw his main set version for only 30 something points more), but the 100 point dial was solid. This figure is awesome at both values! I have a feeling I'll be seeing a lot of comic characters on my future teams, even the small point games.
This guy looks like a blast to play and they really nailed the character well. The special damage power and his Steal Energy really fit with the theme of the characters powers!
Does gsx not count. Magneto is the best all around figure for his points. In my opinion gsx is the best modern age set. People at my venue love to play superman and dc 75th. Gsx puts them to shame.
EDIT: I know this has nothing to do with the topic but this set reminds me of gsx. Great generics and the super rares I saw so far I want them all.
BLACKHEART25
02/28/2012, 10:10
Don't blame WK there just reacting to the vocal 5% who complain about power creep and whine endlessly about figures they don't have being unfair to play against. I'd love for him to start HSS 12, Super Strength 12, Imperv 18, and 5 Damage on his first 3 clicks but under the current climate that's just not gonna happen but I'm okay with that fact because it's still a great figure.
When did this start? This is a great figure for the points (like most figures seem to be lately), but it doesn't really capture Gladiator that much. I do like that he finally ties his powers to his confidence, but the only charging he should be getting is an assault and battery charge. Where is the Hypersonic speed? If anyone gets that it should be Gladiator, charging should happen after hes lost confidence.
Oh well, I wonder if the X-jammers will get a spot in this set to help out cho'd?
ultronMFer
02/28/2012, 10:57
Sweet. That's one less SR from the main set that I'll need to go chasing.
My only beef is that his "Veteran" dial is only 5 points more than the SR. If they're going to do multiple versions of the same character in a set, I wish they would make the point values a little more diverse for team-building purposes- say 100/200 for the FF version and 225-250 for the SR.
A very minor gripe though. Love him.
Hoosier411
02/28/2012, 11:12
Annihilus 127
Gladiator 100
Lyssa Drak 72
299 points
I'll take you on 150 Superman and friends!
realdarkphoenix
02/28/2012, 11:56
Annihilus 127
Gladiator 100
Lyssa Drak 72
299 points
I'll take you on 150 Superman and friends!
sadly superman with the gauntlet and support is probably the scariest thing in the game so far.
rpgambit
02/28/2012, 12:14
I dunno, superman is very very fragile. I prefer the gauntlet on better tanks, or at least figs that cant be outwitted, such as this gladiator. I think this gladiator is a fantastic gauntlet candidate at both the 100 and 200 level due to the power cosmic ability. It also makes your opponent have to split resources killing the ticking time bomb that is a fig with the gauntlet and killing one of your other figs to weaken Gladiator.
realdarkphoenix
02/28/2012, 13:19
I dunno, superman is very very fragile. I prefer the gauntlet on better tanks, or at least figs that cant be outwitted, such as this gladiator. I think this gladiator is a fantastic gauntlet candidate at both the 100 and 200 level due to the power cosmic ability. It also makes your opponent have to split resources killing the ticking time bomb that is a fig with the gauntlet and killing one of your other figs to weaken Gladiator.
The options with superman having the scientist keywords are ridiculous when added that he can punish stealth teams and hurt those with bonus effects from terrain he's a much better over all choice. You manage to hurt him up currently he has the potential to have steal energy and CC...
lol its just gets crazy and can only get worst....
I want to put together a team of the 100-pt version of this figure, the GGSR Guardian, and the Crimson Gem, just to see what happens.
lukebuchanan
02/28/2012, 21:34
Sweet. That's one less SR from the main set that I'll need to go chasing.
My only beef is that his "Veteran" dial is only 5 points more than the SR. If they're going to do multiple versions of the same character in a set, I wish they would make the point values a little more diverse for team-building purposes- say 100/200 for the FF version and 225-250 for the SR.
A very minor gripe though. Love him.
Great point, i agree
Luke B.
UniqueLoginNamor
02/28/2012, 23:39
This guy blows...
your opponnents into pieces
So.... Gladiator and the new GF Dr. Strange.
Glads with a 20 def at range and the good Doc can also perplex Gladiators already amped combat values.
UltraDRGN
02/29/2012, 06:37
I like this version a lot more than the Super Rare, which I also liked. Having +1 to all stats and Power Cosmic is just a better ability than getting a free perplex use for each time you hit a figure. You have the option of being able to be immune to pushing and outwit or the option of having Hypersonic Speed and Leadership. Both good choices that lead to a lot of different team building options.
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