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BANE
04/08/2003, 12:27
I got people over at AmericanDreamComics stating that he indeed is one...

Angelofhate
04/08/2003, 12:30
There are "Mutants", people who evolove.
There are "Aliens", people who have powers that are otherworldy.
And then there are Radiation inflicted mutations, like that of spider-man and the Hulk. Technically they are not mutants, but they have gone through genetic mutations.

Complex, but thats how it is.

rabidroadkill
04/08/2003, 12:39
It has been said in the comics that Spiderman is indeed a "Mutant" even though he was not born with the gene that caused his mutation. But since his body (blood and DNA) did mutate, he is considered a mutant by some.

Random
04/08/2003, 12:39
I believe the correct term For people Like spidey and the FF are either enhanced or altered humans.

Angelofhate
04/08/2003, 12:40
Evolve, too.

Stupid edit.

de_franza
04/08/2003, 12:42
I too would go with "Enhanced Human" or "Altered", or even "Mutated", but not a true Mutant, like any X-man, who is born as a mutant with super powers. Steve Rogers and Norman Osborne were "Enhanced", and no one calls Captain America or the Green Goblin Mutants. It's a small distinction, but it's a big difference, at least to those who care. :)

daedalus25
04/08/2003, 12:57
www.cityofheroes.com

This site is for an upcoming MMORPG which looks to be very promising. In the HEROES section lists a pretty good breakdown of the different classifications of heroes and a brief description of what they are.

Starman973
04/08/2003, 13:21
Mutants are people born differently.
Mutates are people who later in life a changed like Hulk, Spider-man and the FF.
when it comes to the comic books & sentintels Mutates are just as be a threat due to genetic Impurity. they have targeted humans with only genetic impurities and they were not mutants or mutates.

Starman973
04/08/2003, 13:24
Super soilder stuff alters them so by technicality they are Mutates, as well.

BANE
04/08/2003, 13:56
So Spiderman is NOT a Mutant! These nimrods at AmericanDreamComics.com were even consulting the dictionary under the term mutation. I tried to point out to them that the dictionary has no bearing on the Marvel Universe. They said that it does, I then challenged them to look up Wolverine in the dictionary and see if they find a picture of Logan...

Kaitouace
04/08/2003, 14:12
Spider-Man has been mistaken for a mutant even by the X-Men. Some say it's possible that the radioactive bite triggered a latent mutation in his genes so that if left alone it may have been possible that he would have developed naturally. But as far as Marvel Comics and their official definition of "mutant", Spider-Man is NOT one.

Actually the same thing happened to Namor as well. Being mistaken for a "mutant". And for all intents and purposes he's more of a mutant than Spider-Man is. But his race is known as Homo Mermanus. So because of that odd distinction, he's not a mutant either. Although speaking purely scientifically, he is.

Either way Spider-Man got his powers from an "outside" source and his powers officially aren't latent that surfaced from radiation. He shouldn't be classified as a mutant in any way unless Marvel rewrites his origin stating that his exposure to radioactivity activated the "mutant" genes in his blood.

BANE
04/08/2003, 15:28
"It has been said in the comics that Spiderman is indeed a "Mutant" even though he was not born with the gene that caused his mutation. But since his body (blood and DNA) did mutate, he is considered a mutant by some."

Can you list the issue where Cerebro classified him as a mutant? I sure would like to see it!

sol
04/08/2003, 15:29
No.

ElectricMonk
04/08/2003, 15:57
The Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe ( pick it up in back issues bins) defines a Mutant as " A person born with inate powers or abilities diffrent than those of his/her parents, due to an X gene in there Genetic struture."
Spiderman is not a mutant, he, like the FF and Cap America is and Enhanced Human. The Submariner, and his cousin Namorita, are mutants, because your average Homo Mermanis has got blue skin, and dosent have super strenth and flight. Intrestingly Syrin ( the daughter of the Banshee{which would be an Awesome Click}, late of X-force) is also not a mutant, as her powers are excatly those of her fathers, therefore not a mutation in her.
Now can sombody tell me how Carol Danvers (Warbird) is currently an Avenger when she was killed when Rogue absorberd all her powers and personality into her, the reason Rogue went from being a ####py 14 year old evil Mutant to being the Powerhouse X-Man she is today? Try as i might i can't find anybody to explain this to me.

Real Quick three Clix id love to see: Warlock( New Mutants) with shapchange, perplex and potentialy mega damage ( the transmode virus can kill at a touch) , Adam Warlock( Infinity Watch) with cosmic powers, maybe a unique weilding the Infinity Guantlet( probably tooo powerful but a nice dream) , and Magik (Illiyana Rasputin, New Mutants) with three different sculps ala Sue Storm, showing three stages of her development the third totaly covered in armor vis a vie the Inferno storyline. Bad ###.

sol
04/08/2003, 16:11
Originally posted by ElectricMonk

Now can sombody tell me how Carol Danvers (Warbird) is currently an Avenger when she was killed when Rogue absorberd all her powers and personality into her, the reason Rogue went from being a ####py 14 year old evil Mutant to being the Powerhouse X-Man she is today? Try as i might i can't find anybody to explain this to me.



She wasn't killed. She was brain-dead. Prof X got Carol out of that fix. She was sort of a blank slate for a while, then she became Binary (in the Starjammers), a powerhouse Rogue could only dream of being. She eventually regained her memories and return to earth for Avengers vol.3 Number 1. Her Binary powers faded, and she took her old costume and renamed herself Warbird (she was an Air Force Colonel). She's had some ups and downs since then, but she's currently an Avenger, playa-hatin on Black Panther.

Brunt
04/08/2003, 16:13
The old Marvel RPG listed him as an "Altered Human".

"Mutant" is someone whose powers are genetic at birth.

“Altered Human” is someone whose powers are triggered by an outside influence.

ElectricMonk
04/08/2003, 18:25
Ok thats that but..
when Rogue and Wolverine were captured and power nullified by Genoshen Magistrates, and Rogue was summarily molested by the guards who processed her, she escaped by surrendering control of her body to Carol Danvers, who was still trapped in Rogue's subconcious. ( they also hinted at a history between Wolvie and CD.)

Let's not mention The ROGUE STILL HAS CAROL'S POWERS! how the heck does Warbird still have the superpowers that Rogue is still using?

Also what happened to the fact that 8 X-men; Storm, Dazzler, Rogue, Psylock, Havock Wolvie, Longshot and Colosus, are unable to be recorded electronically due to their ressurection after they sacrificed themselves to defeat the Adversary? I Relize this has nothing to do with the tread but hey, maybe other comic fans can give ma a heads up on this continuity error.

ElectricMonk
04/08/2003, 18:29
And

Superman's an alien, Dude.

Only in the DC universe they are all called "Metahumans" with no distinction between altered humans and mutants.

bigbird
04/08/2003, 18:32
Was Nick Fury "enhanced"?

TheFreak
04/08/2003, 18:37
That whole "can't be recorded jazz" was written off. It was assumed that somewhere along the way, they sacrificed it for something else more important.

Also, back on topic, in Ultimate Team-Up #1 (don't hate please) Spidey tells Wolvie "I think I am a Mutant"
Wolvie replies, "Kid, do people yell obscene names at you?"
"No"
"Do you know where you got your powers?"
"Yes"
"Then you ain't a mutant"

Funny little exchange there I thought

Agent_X
04/08/2003, 18:50
What about the definition gicen in Universe X. Don't they elaborate that everyone is a mutant, and their powers are triggered by trauma, I.E. getting bit by the spider, or was my friend smoking crack when he told me that.

TheFreak
04/08/2003, 18:53
yeah, didn't Reed Richards release some kind of virus or something that turned every one into superhumans? or triggered EXTREMELY latent mutant abilities.

ElectricMonk
04/08/2003, 19:47
Great Quote Freek, that says it all.

i checked my back issues and the reason that the null electronic device thing dosent work anymore is becuse they were all pulled the Siege Perilous (Sp?) which reincarnated them in new bodiesthat were the same, except for Storm who came back as a kid and met Gambit. ( had something to do with The Nanny..it was weird.)
Except that wolverine wasn't pulled through.?
hmm.

flakbait
04/10/2003, 03:02
<<<<<<<<Was Nick Fury "enhanced"?>>>>>>>>>>>>

not really, though if i recall he did have something injected into his bloodstream that slowed his aging or something. I remember reading it in the "Nick Fury vs SHIELD" story, but i don't feel like pulling it out right now.

Thunderclese
04/10/2003, 03:28
Nick Fury was injected with the Infinity Formula, basically, a life lengthening serum.

CaptainCarl
04/10/2003, 03:28
in the issue where magneto and spiderman fight, when spidey was cosmic spidey, mags wanted to investigate if spidey was indeed a mutant but he later states in the comic that his powers were to random that they couldnt be latent mutant powers coming out

but in recent issues thier hinting that spiderman was born to be spiderman and even if he was not bitten he would have been spiderman the bite just sped up the process but we shall see how that story line plays out

thecaptain

Thunderclese
04/10/2003, 03:29
Yes, Reed Richards released the Terrigan Mists, which mutate everybody, but that's in Earth and Universe X, which isn't really considered "part" of the Marvel U; it's intended as the end of the overall story.