Captain America?!?!?

[HulkIOA06]

A lot of people say Cap is Batman's "counterpart", but I think it's ironman. I mean, they're both billionaires, both are geneiuses, and oh yeah, both have NO SUPER POWERS! What's the deal?

[PantherPriest]

batman and cap are equal on the battlefield

Iron man wouldn't be anything without his suit

[SteveRogers]

Captain America and Batman both take charge and are very equal. Captain America should have Willpower, close range combat expert, and defend. Everything but defend will make them almost about the same. Besides, I'm working on a custom Cap as we speak. (Making my own dial and everything.) :p

[metzgarob]

Originally posted by PantherPriest

Iron man wouldn't be anything without his suit



thats not entirely true, cap trained tony in hand to hand combat just like he did alot of the other avengers.

although he is still no match for the god like bats











i hate batman

[KWr10]

Let's not forget one thing, Captian America isn't exactly the greatest but BatMan is. Iron man also, Great. They are so identical (story wise, personality wise) it's like they rip each other off. Although Bruce Wayne could kick the #### out of Iron Man without the suit, but lets think of this Bruce Wayne and a WWII veteran the same... no.

[JINoside]

Fanboy at two o'clock:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: . Cap Is the greatest man. Its been said plenty of times before. Bats is just the greatest Detective....not Greatest alone.......

[Nightwraith]

Er, no offense but it's pretty much established within the Marvel Universe that Captain America is the best non-super-human hand-to-hand combatant there is and represents the peak of human physical perfection. HOWEVER, this doesn't necessarily mean he should be a Close Combat Expert within HeroClix - letting him do 4 damage would make his fist/shield rival Thor's hammer, which is pretty absurd. The fact that they gave Batman a 3 damage click is a foul-up that makes no sense at all.

[Hadez]

"Psst. Batman cheats. Pass it along"

[thunderstorm]

Whether you think Batman is the greatest or Cap is the greatest doesn't really matter. Who would beat who in a fight doesn't matter What does matter is that Batman will sell 100 times the books that Cap will ever sell. That is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Even after the recent wave of bandwagon patriotism we have seen, a guy who fights for the ideals that this country was founded on will never be as much of a commercial success as a brooding psychopath who flirts with the borders of morality.

I am sick of people saying that Batman is a greater hero than Cap and Iwill tell you why.

Batman is nothing but a spoiled rich kid, given every advantage due to his privelleged upbringing who finds his nightly therpy, for the helplessness he felt at the witnessing of his parents' murder as a child, in cracking the heads of those only mildly more sociopathic and far less privelleged than he is. Batman has immersed himself in the gritty, ugliness of his psychosis and embraces that world I would love to see an elseworlds tale where Bruce Wayne's family's estate is liquidated upon his orphaage by some unscrupulous relative and he becomes just another strung-out junkie thug.

Cap on the other hand was brought up with a respect for this country and what it stands for. Even though he was a fragile youth, Cap volunteered to do whatever he could to help his country in one of this world's darkest hours. He carries that vision of what the world should be like despite the ugliness of those around him. Cap stands on a higher moral ground than most of us can aspire to and this is what makes him less appealing to the masses. He represents a state of mind and a dedication to purpose that few of us have the discipline to understand, much less adhere to.

Cap is a HERO, not a psycho in a cowl!

[JINoside]

Tis true, but Bats has a more larger (B.Sed)fanbase. Cap is just a Real american hero is liked nd respected by a lot of people......Plus many of Marvels comics were price hiked to 3 bucks or more. It kinda expensive for some people and can't afford to pay that much money.......

[Briel]

Let,s see. Captain America has on $2.99 book. Batman has his two regulars plus three spinoff books through wich crossover stories take place usually nine months out of the year ($12.50 a month). The real thing is not about either character. It all forms of literature and film, most people seem to prefer heroes with flaws. Sherlock Holmes, Hamlet, Godzilla (just kidding). For the record though, Cap is the man! Black Canary can beat them both though.

[m1s1n]

If you were to ask any humanities teacher what the new cowboy was in American culture they would tell you that it is either the gangster or the film noir detective. The American cowboy can be seen as the ultimate American figure representing struggle and change. Batman is far more of a film noir detective and in that sense is very much an extrension of the American-cowboy ideal. He also appeals to the attitude of 'Don't Tread On Me' much better than Cap ever did.

And on a side note: Clint Eastwood would make a perfect Dark Knight Returns Batman.

[imafineboy]

I just don't like Batman because no one seems to be a challenge for him anymore. He winds up beating everyone everytime. The wrote him to have no equal and that just seems a little boring to me. Cap loses more often and he CAN'T beat everyone, so to me it makes him more interesting.

[sol]

Mark Waid TRIED to make Captain America into an indestructible, god like character in his second run but the true interpretation holds out. I really hated Waid for that. In his first run, he got it right. Then after the Hero's Reborn poop, they let him come back to it after he had been doing DC stuff (and drinking their Kool-Aid). The first 6 or 7 issues are more of the good stuff. Then he starts having Cap beating up Mr Hyde and Cobra at the same time and just beating villains 'because he's Captain America'. Cap always finds a way to win, but it is usually due to his 'creative think fast on his feat ability' (which NOBODY does that better), not just because.

Batman was all good until Grant Morrison wrote him in JLA (and Wizard bought it hooked through the bag). Suddenly, Batman can beat anybody 'with enough prep time'. Since when? In my day, Batman sat there (much like Cap) and waited for an opening to exploit a vulnerability the enemy possessed he discovered during the fight. He would use his brain, and come up with a plan to maybe but the more powerful members SOME TIME, but not solve the whole friggin case, every single month. No amount of physical training or any of his gadgets (which he was NEVER the Justice Leagues answer to Tony Friggin' Stark until Morrison) would allow Batman to harm in any way the foes the Justice League would fight. But he was my favorite Leaguer because he was 'just a guy' and he still made a difference in their battles (just like Captain America in Avengers). Now, he's over glorified and over powered. In his book, he goes to Metropolis and beats Superman (sort of, which is why I don't mind the most recent fight). In Man of Steel, he kept Superman at bay, knowing he didn't have a ghost of a chance if Superman really wanted to catch him, by trickery. That way was the way it should be now. He isn't the end all be all in raw power , but he is the best BECAUSE he is merely human. He has to be able to outhink his JLA foes, because most of the time, he won't have a prayer against them.

Cap is still written in the classic vein, whereas DC has allowed their characters to reach uber-power because their fan base was dying off in the 90's and recharged their universe and characters by finally putting the big guns in the JLA (which was requested all through the 80's and 90's btw). It was a plan worthy of Batman himself, and it worked.

[JINoside]

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:laugh: :laugh: :grin: ;) .......

[metzgarob]

JINoside:
thats funny :p

man i hate bats theres another thread in the dc comics section that i explain my reasons it is called "Batman=dumb"

i hate him soooo much

[JINoside]

Originally posted by metzgarob
JINoside:
thats funny :p

man i hate bats theres another thread in the dc comics section that i explain my reasons it is called "Batman=dumb"

i hate him soooo much

They're a couple of other people who feel the same way....