INFINITY GAUNTLET Month 5 Broken Team

[The DC Explorer]

Chase Thanos is cheese, broken, and down right no fun to play against. I meant to play the most deadly team I could, at 700 points, and I think I found it with this team. The build and setup is everything for this team, after that is really just point and click. After going 3-0 with just under 2100 points, I think Chase Thanos will go back on my shelve and look pretty but will be retired from tournaments. It's just too powerful and no fun for your opponents. I would say, try him out in a large game because its a very cool and fun figure but I don't recommend playing him every week unless you want to lose friends and get banded from your local gaming store.

If you want to check out my team and even give it a go yourself. You will get all the information in this video, even how to play the team.

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[rabbit]

The Thanos team we talked about in our video also used researchers, a.i.m renegade, and GF klaw. Great minds....


edit: we cheesed it up with metron too though (also a scientist) :x

[The DC Explorer]

The Thanos team we talked about in our video also used researchers, a.i.m renegade, and GF klaw. Great minds....


edit: we cheesed it up with metron too though (also a scientist) :x

With metron was it able to be theme? The only way would be for it to have more researchers than just 3. I have 5 but I decided 3 was enough for this team. I did hear you talking about Chase thanos but I didn't hear the team you built for him. Yeah I think this build is down right amazing, but broken. Someone did say Ziran could beat it. And that is probably the case, but other than that colossal really what can beat this team. I honestly haven't put much thought into it, other than just a basic team with pretty much any figure on it or a mirror team. I don't know, its crazy though.

Im guessing you won with that team :) What was the exact build and did you set it up like I did.

[rabbit]

(when i posted i was thinking the renegades were on our first build, they weren't but they have been on newer builds)

We actually tested a couple of thanos builds never intended to do a theme just getting the enhance off researchers. The first one looked like this

Thanos

Metron
Klaw

Cosmo
Researcher
Gotham City Pd

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The thanos would pull 2 guys then swap metron's attack and speed making him a 12 attack 4 damage. Then the researcher + cosmo + gotham city pd would enhance him to 7 damage. Then cosmo, gotham pd, and klaws team ability would -3 the target for an effective, 15 attack 7 penetrating damage with 2 perplexes, an outwit, and a prob left over.

Then Klaw could attack with an effective 12 attack 5 penetrating damage. But keep in mind the team still has 2 perplexes to use so you could make that a 13/14 attack with 6 penetrating damage depending if you used your prob yet (which you didn't unless you rolled a crit. miss.) and still have your outwit left over.


With gotham city pd also able to make a decent attack with his enhance from cosmo and 2 pd buffs you can actually turn 1 kill a galactus with better than 80% odds assuming he has no gauntlet (actually i think its like 95% odds if i remember our math and if anyone curious i can break down the probability in the video.)

The reason we scrapped the team was anyone with sense throws a time gem on there big dude and with super sense in play each attack has a 33% chance of failure. So we went another route with a gauntlet on thanos and renegades for post alpha strike barriers.


Honestly though I have no idea what I'm gonna run for our month 5 event.

[The DC Explorer]

We actually tested a couple of thanos builds never intended to do a theme just getting the enhance off researchers. The first one looked like this

Thanos

Metron
Klaw

Cosmo
Researcher
Gotham City Pd

699

The thanos would pull 2 guys then swap metron's attack and speed making him a 12 attack 4 damage. Then the researcher + cosmo + gotham city pd would enhance him to 7 damage. Then cosmo, gotham pd, and klaws team ability would -3 the target for an effective, 15 attack 7 penetrating damage with 2 perplexes and a prob left over.

Then Klaw could attack with an effective 12 attack 5 penetrating damage. But keep in mind the team still has 2 perplexes to use so you could make that a 14 attack or 7 damage depending if you used your prob yet (which you didn't unless you rolled a crit. miss.)


With gotham city pd also able to make a decent attack with his enhance from cosmo and 2 pd buffs you can actually turn 1 kill a galactus with better than 80% odds assuming he has no gauntlet (actually i think its like 95% odds if i remember our math and if anyone curious i can break down the probability in the video.)

The reason we scrapped the team was anyone with sense throws a time gem on there big dude and with super sense in play each attack has a 33% of failure. So we went another route with a gauntlet on thanos and renegades for post alpha strike barriers.

Honestly though I have no idea what I'm gonna run for our month 5 event.

(when i posted i was thinking the renegades were on our first build, they obviously weren't but they have been on newer builds)

Yeah, that team is very similar. Different figures but basically the same idea with similar types of support. I put the time gem on the gauntlet just for the Super Sense too, so I know exactly what your talking about, its probably one of the better gems. I chose the soul gem too, because the power gem seemed useless to gain range combat expert when I would be bring people next to me?? not a good use of points.

We didn't face any 3x9 colossal figures so I did make this team based around knowing that. But if I had to build for Ziran, I would probably do what you said and try to make it easier for me to past some test because taking all 6 would be brutal.

I think with this kill box, either yours or mine. Would destroy Galactus, if he misses his super senses roll, which scares me to bring him over and he hits that roll. Either way I think for sure it could go either way with all three of these guys but if things go your way, the Thanos team can be the worse to face. But each has things that make them winners.

From what I keep on hearing Ziran vs Galactus is pretty favored to Ziran's winning due to the tests. Is this what you keep hearing? Idk Galactus is very good but he does have problems with some figures.

I have noticed and it's the reason I love this game so much. Each figure has a counter, some more than others. You might not be ready for a team/figure but each figure has a figure out there that will give it problems where other figures just get crushed by them.

[rabbit]

Yeah, that team is very similar. Different figures but basically the same idea with similar types of support. I put the time gem on the gauntlet just for the Super Sense too, so I know exactly what your talking about, its probably one of the better gems. I chose the soul gem too, because the power gem seemed useless to gain range combat expert when I would be bring people next to me?? not a good use of points.

We didn't face any 3x9 colossal figures so I did make this team based around knowing that. But if I had to build for Ziran, I would probably do what you said and try to make it easier for me to past some test because taking all 6 would be brutal.

I think with this kill box, either yours or mine. Would destroy Galactus, if he misses his super senses roll, which scares me to bring him over and he hits that roll. Either way I think for sure it could go either way with all three of these guys but if things go your way, the Thanos team can be the worse to face. But each has things that make them winners.

From what I keep on hearing Ziran vs Galactus is pretty favored to Ziran's winning due to the tests. Is this what you keep hearing? Idk Galactus is very good but he does have problems with some figures.

I have noticed and it's the reason I love this game so much. Each figure has a counter, some more than others. You might not be ready for a team/figure but each figure has a figure out there that will give it problems where other figures just get crushed by them.
We have played thanos vs. galactus and thanos vs. ziran, but glactus vs. ziran is just speculation for us now. We assume ziran has the edge but we don't know. We discussed going with a Ziran team designed to win the mirror but we haven't got around play testing it yet. I have high hopes for that build though. Our IG happens the last Sunday every month so I still have time to make a decision.

Congrats on the Runner btw, I really hope I get one I think hes my favorite IG prize.

[The DC Explorer]

We have played thanos vs. galactus and thanos vs. ziran, but glactus vs. ziran is just speculation for us now. We assume ziran has the edge but we don't know. We discussed going with a Ziran team designed to win the mirror but we haven't got around play testing it yet. I have high hopes for that build though. Our IG happens the last Sunday every month so I still have time to make a decision.

Congrats on the Runner btw, I really hope I get one I think hes my favorite IG prize.

Thanks, and good luck in your tournament for the Runner!

Try not to over think your team building. I know I've done it before and you get to the point where you have no idea what to build.

I think your doing the right thing, by play testing. I did not play test this team. If you do it enough with all the different figures, you should have a good feeling on what gives you the best chance.

[rabbit]

Thanks, and good luck in your tournament for the Runner!

Try not to over think your team building. I know I've done it before and you get to the point where you have no idea what to build.

I think your doing the right thing, by play testing. I did not play test this team. If you do it enough with all the different figures, you should have a good feeling on what gives you the best chance.

Haha, I defiantly over think every month. For me the entire game occurs weeks before I show up to roll the dice. I have just as much fun (probably more) meta gaming as I do playing my opponent. I'm just an over thinker and I like it. :p

[briscoe]

i have a friend that used thanos, 3 elsa bloodstones and some support figures. i was planning on using a similar team, i guess i will have to change teams now

[The DC Explorer]

Haha, I defiantly over think every month. For me the entire game occurs weeks before I show up to roll the dice. I have just as much fun (probably more) meta gaming as I do playing my opponent. I'm just an over thinker and I like it. :p

Yeah, personally I do better when I plan for sure. But normally I just plan for the top 3 teams or figures I think I will face. Anymore than that for me is to the point then I think I need to change my team. So, I try not to do that. You can't build for every team, wish you could but its nearly impossible.

I do enjoy building a very solid strategy that does well and has a fun complex way to run it. Might not be complex to play it once it's going but the mechanics of the strategy is always fun. Prime example. Mole Man the ability to mind control monsters. Thats got to be the coolest power, and very fun to run.

[The DC Explorer]

i have a friend that used thanos, 3 elsa bloodstones and some support figures. i was planning on using a similar team, i guess i will have to change teams now

Why do you have to change?

[rollinsolo]

I've actually never called a figure broken until Chase Thanos. I'm currently working on a team for a situation just like this.

The best Chase Thanos team I used was Chase Thanos with Chase Superman with the shield disruptor. Superman tore it up.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Did you try this team against Galactus or Ziran at all?

[The DC Explorer]

Did you try this team against Galactus or Ziran at all?

I did not, I believe Ziran would give it fits and Galactus, well I can only think Galactus would probably go down, but thats only speculation.

The format for the tournament was no Colossal so I built it for that. If I knew I would face Ziran or Galactus, I probably would have changed a couple things around.

I might try facing someone with a Ziran with this team just to see. But With Ziran testing it will be an issue for this team. He is really the only guy that will really give this team fits. Pretty much anything else has a rough go at it.

[The DC Explorer]

Did you try this team against Galactus or Ziran at all?

Because I know how this team works. I just went back and looked at the stats of Galactus and his dial.

This team could kill Galactus in Turn 3. Though without a full team and an actual team and player, there is not telling. Galactus will get to attack and have one of this support figures attack as well. So whatever this does, could change a couple of things, but if they attack thanos then its game over, because you just pushing klaw to attack for 6 damage and kill galactus.

On round 2 you pull him over and to 6 damage PB, and 6 damage with Range combat expert, but he will only take 4 damage due to invulnerable. So at the start of round 2 for Galactus hes on his 11 click.

It gets really interesting because it will all depend on his herald, and what you choose to use your perplex on. I think you want to perplex down damage so he can't hurt you really bad. Anyways its much for of a battle.

[Scotthulhu]

I played chase Thanos w/gauntlet with SI human Captain Mar-Vell, GF Klaw & 2 A.I.M. Agents.

Perplex up Mar-vell's attack x 3; pull the two highest over; capture the bigger threat; barrier w/Klaw to protect Mar-Vell until he can release.
They didn't allow colossals, so not sure how well that would work against them, but I think I would've done a clean sweep if they had stuck to using the Runner map. I lost to a Hellfire Club theme team when he won roll & picked the Shadowlands map.

I felt dirty for playing it, so I think I will retire chase Thanos as it wasn't that fun to pretty much decimate a team in the first 2 rounds.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Then you can claim whatever the hell you want in theory. But that's just it. Theory.

Until you actually play against these figures, you can't claim this team to be the end/be all team. Yeah, you didn't say that exactly. But you sure are acting like it. For someone who hated the cheese, and I say this in remorse: this is probably your most cocky and cookie-cutter video.

Usually, your videos are fun. But even then, you claim to have a broken team but not even have challenged the best.

I think Ziran would school this team and Galactus could still take a win. You'll almost always get first turn. But Galactus will be free the next turn, untouched, due to FRI. Next turn, Multi-attack phase across the map. The following turn, then triple target range combat action to take out your support. With all those scientists sporting 15-14 defenses, Galactus is going to hit. Next turn comes around, you're probably one or two less an enhancement or perplex. And the 600 point dial doesn't die in 11 clix unlike your video examples. Next click, your guys are pushed and he gets to multi-attack and probably with the gauntlet and soul gem showing. He'll heal two for each of your dinky, little AIM guys or researchers and then his Herald is close behind.

I think this team could do it, still. But a really competent player utilizing everything Galactus has to offer, could still turn this around. And don't even get me started on Ziran.....

[rabbit]

Until you actually play against these figures, you can't claim this team to be the end/be all team. Yeah, you didn't say that exactly. But you sure are acting like it. For someone who hated the cheese, and I say this in remorse: this is probably your most cocky and cookie-cutter video.


Whoah give him a break, he says multiple times he is calling his team busted in the format he played in, which was no colossals. He also says he is just speculating on the Ziran/Galactus match up and never claims more than just speculation.

That said, I don't disagree with you that Galactus and Ziran are still tough match ups. I have played a similar Thanos team against both to prepare for my tournament and I have yet to find a Thanos build that can win both match ups with any amount of consistency but the Galactus match up is defiantly an easier win than Ziran.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Whoah give him a break, he says multiple times he is calling his team busted in the format he played in, which was no colossals. He also says he is just speculating on the Ziran/Galactus match up and never claims more than just speculation.

That said, I don't disagree with you that Galactus and Ziran are still tough match ups. I have played a similar Thanos team against both to prepare for my tournament and I have yet to find a Thanos build that can win both match ups with any amount of consistency but the Galactus match up is defiantly an easier win than Ziran.

I wasn't insulting him. Just reminding him that he's making bold claims without having assessed all the variables. One can't claim an ultimate, broken team without having faced the team's more reputable challenges.

It's like saying a Professor Xavier/Nightcrawler can beat any team without having faced a Flahspoint Flash team.

I'm not peeved with the team he used, unlike the others in his other thread. I wouldn't call him out on that, considering I've used a team very similar to this just the other week and have been using Chase Thanos consistently. Its a good piece. But I don't think its broken because it's still subject to poor dice rolls.

I made the remark in remorse, considering I've really enjoyed his posts in the past. But this just seems like bragging (which the Realms has enough of) and giving cookie-cutter/copy-paste team for other people to rip off. His time could've been better spent on How-tos. How one might be able to repel Galactus, Ziran, or Thanos. Not making bold speculations (at one point in the vid he speculated that team could beat any team) or showcasing said team.

I mean, when someone posts a video and two threads about it, it starts to look like bragging. Which seems hypocritical to me since he was also claiming it was "no fun for the opponent," "broken," and "putting it on his shelf." I'm no saint to cheese, but with all the VGAs of the world, a champ can win and still be humble about it.

[The DC Explorer]

One can never play all possible match ups. Its nearly impossible with the shear amount of figures available to us. So, yes I can't say its unbeatable if it only faces non colossals. Though it has a really good chance, to win a high % of those games. Im actually going to post team ideas on how to beat this team, without Colossals.

I can't believe everyone is so angry!

But Everyone is quick to take it to the next level and say it will lose to Galactus and Ziran. Well, honestly you don't know this either unless you play the exact team. I've said this many times over the many different forums I'm on, HcRealms, Youtube. I "think" Ziran will have a great chance in beating this team, and Galactus has a good chance too but Chase Thanos has a better chance beating Galactus than Ziran.

I wasn't insulting him. Just reminding him that he's making bold claims without having assessed all the variables. One can't claim an ultimate, broken team without having faced the team's more reputable challenges.

It's like saying a Professor Xavier/Nightcrawler can beat any team without having faced a Flahspoint Flash team.

I'm not peeved with the team he used, unlike the others in his other thread. I wouldn't call him out on that, considering I've used a team very similar to this just the other week and have been using Chase Thanos consistently. Its a good piece. But I don't think its broken because it's still subject to poor dice rolls.

I made the remark in remorse, considering I've really enjoyed his posts in the past. But this just seems like bragging (which the Realms has enough of) and giving cookie-cutter/copy-paste team for other people to rip off. His time could've been better spent on How-tos. How one might be able to repel Galactus, Ziran, or Thanos. Not making bold speculations (at one point in the vid he speculated that team could beat any team) or showcasing said team.

I mean, when someone posts a video and two threads about it, it starts to look like bragging. Which seems hypocritical to me since he was also claiming it was "no fun for the opponent," "broken," and "putting it on his shelf." I'm no saint to cheese, but with all the VGAs of the world, a champ can win and still be humble about it.

[The DC Explorer]

Chase Thanos has a better chance beating Galactus than Ziran.

Also, with Chase Thanos there are alot more different teams he can be surrounded by than either Galactus or Ziran. So just because one Chase Thanos losses to Galactus and Ziran doesn't mean all Chase Thanos teams will.

[Firelord Hero]

Chase Thanos is cheese, broken, and down right no fun to play against. I meant to play the most deadly team I could, at 700 points, and I think I found it with this team. The build and setup is everything for this team, after that is really just point and click. After going 3-0 with just under 2100 points, I think Chase Thanos will go back on my shelve and look pretty but will be retired from tournaments. It's just too powerful and no fun for your opponents. I would say, try him out in a large game because its a very cool and fun figure but I don't recommend playing him every week unless you want to lose friends and get banded from your local gaming store.

If you want to check out my team and even give it a go yourself. You will get all the information in this video, even how to play the team.

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That is a decent team and I like that it is themed.

However, with the amount of Colossal's for the IG6 event the best team involves SI Captain Mar-vell.

You summon w/ Thanos and Capture the Colossal w/ Capt. This strategy is un-paralleled and only beatable with a well thought out 700 point mish-mash. Best team in IG month 6.

On a side note Chase Thanos is far from broken. He's got a neat SP but aside from that he is very far from broken.

[rabbit]

One can never play all possible match ups. Its nearly impossible with the shear amount of figures available to us. So, yes I can't say its unbeatable if it only faces non colossals. Though it has a really good chance, to win a high % of those games. Im actually going to post team ideas on how to beat this team, without Colossals.

I can't believe everyone is so angry!

But Everyone is quick to take it to the next level and say it will lose to Galactus and Ziran. Well, honestly you don't know this either unless you play the exact team. I've said this many times over the many different forums I'm on, HcRealms, Youtube. I "think" Ziran will have a great chance in beating this team, and Galactus has a good chance too but Chase Thanos has a better chance beating Galactus than Ziran.
Just wanna add that my play testing with a very similar build backs up your speculation. You pretty much hit it on the head.

[The DC Explorer]

Just wanna add that my play testing with a very similar build backs up your speculation. You pretty much hit it on the head.

In addition, I've talked with Rabbit about this Chase Thanos and his play testing. This is where im getting most of my theories as to how good he will do vs the Colossals.

[The DC Explorer]

That is a decent team and I like that it is themed.

However, with the amount of Colossal's for the IG6 event the best team involves SI Captain Mar-vell.

You summon w/ Thanos and Capture the Colossal w/ Capt. This strategy is un-paralleled and only beatable with a well thought out 700 point mish-mash. Best team in IG month 6.

On a side note Chase Thanos is far from broken. He's got a neat SP but aside from that he is very far from broken.

You tell me, because this Thanos team was the only one I built.

How does your Thanos team fair against non colossal teams?

[Firelord Hero]

You tell me, because this Thanos team was the only one I built.

How does your Thanos team fair against non colossal teams?

It wasn't my Thanos' team, actually. I faced it and was simply astounded by the outright power of it in the IG6 event.

I beat it (caveat) but it was a very close game. I was running a Black Bolt bomb and a lot of Outwit. He mis-positioned and I got my OW to bring back my figure from Capture. Once I beat him off Capture it was a fair fight and I proceeded to win on points.

However, the Thanos Summon/Capture team will beat any Colossal it faces. Without a doubt. Had I been running Ziran I would have lost. Which I ran at 2 other venues. He only needs a 6 ot 7 (depending on perplex's) to get the capture. Push next turn to rinse/repeat and the game is yours.

It is certainly beatable by a well crafted swarm. I just think it's the single most efficient team in this format. I happened to get lucky w/ my Black Bolt bomb.

[The DC Explorer]

It wasn't my Thanos' team, actually. I faced it and was simply astounded by the outright power of it in the IG6 event.

I beat it (caveat) but it was a very close game. I was running a Black Bolt bomb and a lot of Outwit. He mis-positioned and I got my OW to bring back my figure from Capture. Once I beat him off Capture it was a fair fight and I proceeded to win on points.

However, the Thanos Summon/Capture team will beat any Colossal it faces. Without a doubt. Had I been running Ziran I would have lost. Which I ran at 2 other venues. He only needs a 6 ot 7 (depending on perplex's) to get the capture. Push next turn to rinse/repeat and the game is yours.

It is certainly beatable by a well crafted swarm. I just think it's the single most efficient team in this format. I happened to get lucky w/ my Black Bolt bomb.

I think your on to something, with this team VS Colossal figures for sure. But what if it faced this Thanos team? Unless you gave me the whole team, I really don't know. But in theory, if I get first player. Because of theme and +11 to my roll. I teleport you to me and I attack you first.

This is why I played this team over other Chase Thanos teams. I wanted to get first player and be able to fight Chase Thanos on my terms not theirs. Now like I said I don't know. If you have theme and can beat my roll for first player then now you bring me over and I think you win. This was the only reason I put the Gauntlet on him for the SS. Though in all of my matches I never got to any of the 2 or 3 special powers because the game was over before that.

Im not trying to say anything about the team. I think the Thanos Capture team is brilliant too, and its probably better for the normal event when you have to face Colossal figures. My event banned them so I built this team knowing that.

[Wolf_Otaku]

One can never play all possible match ups. Its nearly impossible with the shear amount of figures available to us. So, yes I can't say its unbeatable if it only faces non colossals. Though it has a really good chance, to win a high % of those games. Im actually going to post team ideas on how to beat this team, without Colossals.

I can't believe everyone is so angry!

But Everyone is quick to take it to the next level and say it will lose to Galactus and Ziran. Well, honestly you don't know this either unless you play the exact team. I've said this many times over the many different forums I'm on, HcRealms, Youtube. I "think" Ziran will have a great chance in beating this team, and Galactus has a good chance too but Chase Thanos has a better chance beating Galactus than Ziran.

I don't think Galactus is a guaranteed win. Like I said, earlier, a competent player will use Galactus' every advantage. You'll probably still get first attack, but when Galactus is alive after the first onslaught then you have to deal with Multi-attack and his herald.

Pending dice rolls, the Galactus player can still turn the game around pending dice rolls, soul gem healing, and the vicinity of the herald. Ziran's even worse, cause he gets to test you before you teleport him. And pending the tests, you might be more damaged then Ziran in the end. Then Ziran's turn comes around and he gets to multi-attack and still have 100 points of support.

So many variables.

[Wolf_Otaku]

What happens in a Chase Thanos+Captain Mar-Vell team if Ziran tests it and knocks Mar-Vell off his capture before the team even gets to respond?

[rabbit]

Wolf, no one claims any one team beats everything, who are you arguing with? I consider month IG5 to be a very healthy format because of the Paper/Rock/Scissor quality of it (a sign of any well developed game). All a team needs in a 1/3 format like this is the ability to have good odds of beating one of the 3 top teams and OK odds at beating another team. So if Thanos has around a 80% chance of beating Galactus and 45% chance of beating Ziran, it would likely be the best team of the format. You are trying to assert a team can't be the best team unless it beats everything always, doesn't work like that. Look at any major sport team; all year long they will win some and lose some and at the end of a season a team is crowned best of its sport in some sort of championship. It doesn't matter if said team lost to another team X number of times even if X was more often than not, they are still considered to be the best team that year.

But I don't even see anyone claiming Thanos does beat Galactus 80% and Ziran 45% all I see is The DC Explorer speculating that Thanos gives Galactus a run for his money and that Ziran would be a difficult match up for Thanos. For that matter I don't see him make any claims out side of what he has actually played himself without some sort of disclaimer that he is just speculating or guessing.

Maybe I'm wrong maybe he did say he knew for sure what those match ups were. If I overlooked him saying anything as factual that he was guessing at, then I get your point, but I don't think he did.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Wolf, no one claims any one team beats everything, who are you arguing with? I consider month IG5 to be a very healthy format because of the Paper/Rock/Scissor quality of it (a sign of any well developed game). All a team needs in a 1/3 format like this is the ability to have good odds of beating one of the 3 top teams and OK odds at beating another team. So if Thanos has around a 80% chance of beating Galactus and 45% chance of beating Ziran, it would likely be the best team of the format. You are trying to assert a team can't be the best team unless it beats everything always, doesn't work like that. Look at any major sport team; all year long they will win some and lose some and at the end of a season a team is crowned best of its sport in some sort of championship. It doesn't matter if said team lost to another team X number of times even if X was more often than not, they are still considered to be the best team that year.

But I don't even see anyone claiming Thanos does beat Galactus 80% and Ziran 45% all I see is The DC Explorer speculating that Thanos gives Galactus a run for his money and that Ziran would be a difficult match up for Thanos. For that matter I don't see him make any claims out side of what he has actually played himself without some sort of disclaimer that he is just speculating or guessing.

Maybe I'm wrong maybe he did say he knew for sure what those match ups were. If I overlooked him saying anything as factual that he was guessing at, then I get your point, but I don't think he did.

I wasn't even arguing. I was making a point. If it was an argument, I'm sure me and DC Explorer would be at odds. Like I said, I didn't even insult him.

Why are you defending him? He doesn't need help answering my insinuations. Is this Videographers R Us?

[rabbit]

I wasn't even arguing. I was making a point. If it was an argument, I'm sure me and DC Explorer would be at odds. Like I said, I didn't even insult him.

Oh, the tone of your posts read as argumentative to me, my mistake.

Why are you defending him? He doesn't need help answering my insinuations. Is this Videographers R Us?


If you didn't want others to give input on your posts you could always just PM the one person you want input from. I made the assumption you replied to this thread rather than sending a PM because you wanted others to contribute to the topic of your conversation.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Oh, the tone of your posts read as argumentative to me, my mistake.




If you didn't want others to give input on your posts you could always just PM the one person you want input from. I made the assumption you replied to this thread rather than sending a PM because you wanted others to contribute to the topic of your conversation.

I said how I felt on the subject. Nothing more. If I wanted people to agree with me, I would've said the same thing in the other thread in Combat Formations discussing this same team. If you want to defend him, they sure are tearing him down there about his cheese team.

I wouldn't PM him because then it means I'm taking it too personally. Which I don't, considering its his figures and he's free to do what he wants. And I've used a similar build and cheesy tactics. It would be hypocritical. Its how he went about it that peeved me.

Besides, if its not worth saying out loud, then its probably not worth saying in private.

[rabbit]

Not trying to defend anyone, I happen to be of the same opinion and added my viewpoint to the discussion.
He doesn't need help answering my insinuations. Is this Videographers R Us?

Besides, if its not worth saying out loud, then its probably not worth saying in private.
My point was, If you feel it's worth saying in public don't lash out on others contributing to the conversation.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Not trying to defend anyone, I happen to be of the same opinion and added my viewpoint to the discussion.


My point was, If you feel it's worth saying in public don't lash out on others contributing to the conversation.

You contributed in the first comments in which you compared your team to his and speculated how the different formats can do.

As well as agreed with me that the two Collossals would prove a better challenge.

THEN, you proceeded to compare my accusations with what was actually being said. In doing so, trying to point out my insinuations. That seems as equally combative as my own comments.

[rabbit]

You contributed in the first comments in which you compared your team to his and speculated how the different formats can do.

As well as agreed with me that the two Collossals would prove a better challenge.

THEN, you proceeded to compare my accusations with what was actually being said. In doing so, trying to point out my insinuations. That seems as equally combative as my own comments.

Sorry you lost me.

I think you are saying something about me agreeing that playing against the colossal is not a cake walk, which I do. What I think you are missing and what I keep saying is The DC Explorer never said it was either. At least in this thread I don't disagree with anything he has said about it. I have however seen you drive home the point (a few times now) that the colossal match up isn't an easy one. Pretty much every posts I've made has me been saying "No one said it's an easy match up. You aren't disagreeing with the OP. You are fighting a phantom."

I mean if you don't disagree with me and I don't disagree with you, case closed. I just thought you were trying to say the OP felt like the colossals were an easy match up, which he didn't.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Sorry you lost me.

I think you are saying something about me agreeing that playing against the colossal is not a cake walk, which I do. What I think you are missing and what I keep saying is The DC Explorer never said it was either. At least in this thread I don't disagree with anything he has said about it. I have however seen you drive home the point (a few times now) that the colossal match up isn't an easy one. Pretty much every posts I've made has me been saying "No one said it's an easy match up. You aren't disagreeing with the OP. You are fighting a phantom."

Who are you arguing with?

[rabbit]

Who are you arguing with?

Which part? Use quote tags or bold tags please.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Which part? Use quote tags or bold tags please.

Sorry, you lost me.

[rabbit]

Sorry, you lost me.

Google "VB tags". (third link: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode)

If you are still lost I am just asking you to let me know what you are talking about.

[Wolf_Otaku]

Google "VB tags".

If you are still lost I am just asking you to let me know what you are talking about.

I know how to use codes in threads. I was mocking you because it was evident you got combative, despite claiming neutrality. The quote several posts up and this are obvious jabs, to which I asked: "Who are you arguing with?" Troll.

I had no beef with you. I have no beef with DC Explorer. I said my piece. You guys have a great day.

[rabbit]

I know how to use codes in threads. I was mocking you because it was evident you got combative, despite claiming neutrality. The quote several posts up and this are obvious jabs, to which I asked: "Who are you arguing with?" Troll.

I had no beef with you. I have no beef with DC Explorer. I said my piece. You guys have a great day.

You can go through my posts and not find a single insult. You've insulted me at least twice now. I don't think you were interested in having a discussion but just wanted to have a public flogging and go uncontested. Sorry you see some one challenging your opinion as a troll, but that is not the definition. However after you've mocked, disregarded, and insulted me, I gotta say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

[Owlman166]

Wow, didn't know Wolf could be such a douche. Sheesh.

[minideadpool]

From a recent Tourny of ours. Galactus lost all games vs Thanos teams. One was a Scientist theme team with researchers for enhance and aim agents for perplex and their Hydra TA. 60 Point Klaw would hit for 6 with Psyblast twice since there were two.

I fielded a team consisting of two roulettes, two Elsa Bloodstones and two renegades along with night nurse and a regular nurse. The first Galactus I played took 11 on the second turn. After 11 clicks of damage his Defense is at a 18 but with two Hydra team mates its a 16 vs Elsa bloodstones 13 attack. That coupled with Galactus 10 attack severly weakens him.

Galactus stuck around long enough to hit a nice energy explosion even after two rerolls. Did some nice damage but put my Elsa bloodstones onto will power. Since they still had enhance Galactus went down shortly after leaving only his herald against my whole team -10 Nurse and a untouched Thanos. I just kept pulling the herald as it would run away back for shots from Elsa Bloodstone. They no longer got the +2 to attack or dealt penetrating but still hitting at least 3 with a 10 attack perplexed to 11 with the herald getting a -2 to defense and two rerolls made it easy to clean up.

This couldnt be done against Ziran unless you passed all his tests. I dont see that happening. And all it takes is 1 damage from Ziran to but Thanos on his ESD click without his teleporting power.

So in my opinion, Thanos will beat most Galactus teams if built correctly but should almost always lose to Ziran.

[The DC Explorer]

From a recent Tourny of ours. Galactus lost all games vs Thanos teams. One was a Scientist theme team with researchers for enhance and aim agents for perplex and their Hydra TA. 60 Point Klaw would hit for 6 with Psyblast twice since there were two.

I fielded a team consisting of two roulettes, two Elsa Bloodstones and two renegades along with night nurse and a regular nurse. The first Galactus I played took 11 on the second turn. After 11 clicks of damage his Defense is at a 18 but with two Hydra team mates its a 16 vs Elsa bloodstones 13 attack. That coupled with Galactus 10 attack severly weakens him.

Galactus stuck around long enough to hit a nice energy explosion even after two rerolls. Did some nice damage but put my Elsa bloodstones onto will power. Since they still had enhance Galactus went down shortly after leaving only his herald against my whole team -10 Nurse and a untouched Thanos. I just kept pulling the herald as it would run away back for shots from Elsa Bloodstone. They no longer got the +2 to attack or dealt penetrating but still hitting at least 3 with a 10 attack perplexed to 11 with the herald getting a -2 to defense and two rerolls made it easy to clean up.

This couldnt be done against Ziran unless you passed all his tests. I dont see that happening. And all it takes is 1 damage from Ziran to but Thanos on his ESD click without his teleporting power.

So in my opinion, Thanos will beat most Galactus teams if built correctly but should almost always lose to Ziran.

I agree with Galactus, but if you have support for Thanos. Whats saying you can't heal him back. It takes more time and effort but it's not impossible, actually not that hard if you build for it. That first team looks alot like the team I built, wonder if he borrowed my team :)

[sengirv]

Can't we all just get along?!!!!???!

[minideadpool]

You are correct in healing thanos. When playing him you should even build for it but it would be hard to keep theme while doing so. If i were playing ziran and my opponent failed his tests. I would hit thanos for one then knock out a healer or support piece with the other five damage. If he loses his healer he needs to hope for good rolls to gain regen with the gauntlet.

At that point id rush the thanos team moving up with multi attack and try to hit with second action attack on more support figures. That could potentially cripple this team.

If you know your opponents are building to past the ziran tests. Just underbuild and play ziran by himself. Thanos cant pull and any kill box he builds will be light on move and attack. Ziran can then move up and start multi attacking from 12 range. Thanos killbox will have to reposition. By that time half of thanos pit crew will be toast.

Mastermold has an edge on thanos too. Play him on his 700 point dial and mutliattack double power action to get his factory going. After hitting the top dial move him up and start birthing baby sentinels.

[rabbit]

I was just thinking, your event also didn't require 400 from GG. I hadn't noticed that the first time but I was in a conversation with some one about a thanos theme team for month 5 and couldn't remember what you used for the left over 50 of GG after Thanos. I guess nothing :p

[The DC Explorer]

No it's not strictly gg. It's 400 combined with gg and hulk. Which I have the 3 aim guys.

[rabbit]

No it's not strictly gg. It's 400 combined with gg and hulk. Which I have the 3 aim guys.

You are correct, I've been misreading that for over a month. I was corrected today when I played IG month 5 at a venue while on vacation. I didn't have all my figures with me because I wasn't planning on playing while out here so with no colossals to go to I went with a Thanos build. (Keep in mind this isn't optimal this is just what I had in my trunk.)

Thanos + IG (SG TG) - 370
Metron -195
Punisher (011) - 65
A.I.M Renegade x2 - 68

The kill box was a little week (7 from Metron then 3-4 from Punisher), so I made up for it with alternating barriers between strikes.

Won all 4 rounds I didn't give up a single point and after round 1 where I made a bit of an error and went to time, the game was over pretty much on my turn 2 in every match. The big news is my final round was against Ziran. Failed all 3 tests, all 6 to Thanos, and I still won with out losing a figure. Turns out having Metron plus a beat up Thanos wearing the gauntlet is enough to take out a full life Ziran and his support.