Fellowship

[AZS]

How is fellowship determined at your venue?

Do you agree with it?
Have you won fellowship before?

[Random]

used to be random draw now it's all voting and yes I have won fellowship in the votes, but never when it was a random draw. either way, I don't care.

[Spideyman253]

I do agree with it, our judge is fair and he takes the person who has done really bad and had a good attitude (usually a beginer) and gives him/her the fellowship. There is no favortism, I think that the person who wins it begins to see that the saying is true, "Its not whether you win or lose but how you play the game." But yes I have won it once before, back in infinity challenge

[Spidersense]

We all vote on a piece of paper. Any players in the finals are not eligible and you must be present to win. It usually goes to the person who is new to the venue or has really had bad luck that day. I have never had any problem with the people who won at my venue. Of course, we have the best group around...

I won fellowship one time which made me feel very good as I had really had a terrible day.

[phonixinmi]

At the venue I play at, fellowship is voted upon by each participant.

The votes are counted and whoever gets the most votes gets the prize.

I don't agree with it. I think it's too easy for a group of friends to conspire to have one of their buddies "win" on alternating weeks. I'd propose that each person gets to vote, but that the top 2 nominees are selected for a final roll off to determine who gets the prize.

Also, the ballots shouldn't be turned in until the last match is finished and the tournament winner is established. Then, the vote for fellowship can take place and ensure 2 people get the prize.

I have won it on 2 occasions, and have done it without being a part of a "consipiring" group. However, with prize support changing from 3 prizes to 2, I'm going to have to consider the option of joining one of them. :ermm:

[ultimatemark]

Our fellowship is second place.

[Dexceus]

The thing is, at the venue I use to go to, there was no Fellowship given. At the venue I went to for the Marque, it was rolled randomly after everyone decided that basicly everyone deserved it.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Awesome poll azs. ;)

Currently the "player vote" has been the norm at local tournaments, and there has really never been a problem or disagreement on my part.

I have been thinking about how best this actually can be used for an accurate determination. Since most players will only play three or four different players in the course of the tournament, can everybody truely say that they have witnessed the best example of "Sportsmanship/Fellowship"?

I once was tied for the fellowship prize, but bowed out and let the other player take home the LE. Since then,...nothing. :(

[Manchine]

Judge picks the person that is the best sport at Hero Klix. If someone whines and moans about how he had some bad luck or picked the wrong team to use against my team then they dont get fellowship.

[Manchine]

PS You should put Poll in front of all the line so we can see its a Poll on the Home Page.

[phonixinmi]

We should probably have a 2nd poll stating "How SHOULD fellowship be awarded?" Maybe we could get Wizkids to take notice and a better system could be devised.

[Dexceus]

Manchine,

I am just curious, would you consider makeing jokes about your bad luck being moaning and whining? Just wondering, I am notorious for making jokes at my own expense, especially about my bad dice luck.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

The only bad part about voting...is friends group together...fellowship has never been a thing for me...all maruqees I have taken first (Honestly not bragging) But I do vote for my friends unless I don't play them. But I have FUN playing my friends at tournys, which is why I honestly vote for them.

[greywolf]

Where we play, fellowship usually goes to the third place in points or if single elim, 3rd and 4th duke it out to decide who finished 3rd. Personally, I prefer it that way. It's really hard to determine who actually was the most deserving of the prize because realisticly 99% of the people you play at tourneys are nice and easy to get along with. And that 1% of players you may not enjoy playing shouldn't get singled out because their playing style is different than yours. I only had to pick a fellowship prize to be given out once and I just gave it to the 3rd place because it reminded me of being in grade school again and picking kickball or dodgeball teams and that was never any fun being the picker.

[BudPalmer]

I'm sure he means people who get really mad. I have to laugh! I had a hand ninja hit and roll 6 sixes against me this weekend. How can you not laugh? When something like that happens to me I start the fellowship chant! "Fell-ow-ship, Fell-ow-ship!"

[tyroman]

:cool: you left an option out. we do it randomly. Most of the players are cool so they just roll off for it. I know its not really 'fellowship' but what do you do when everybody's a good sport? this gives everybody a chance at winning it, the winner isn't allowed to roll. hey, he/she got theirs already. :classic:

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Dexceus
Manchine,

I am just curious, would you consider makeing jokes about your bad luck being moaning and whining? Just wondering, I am notorious for making jokes at my own expense, especially about my bad dice luck.

Nah we always, when playing among us friendly types, say you need 4 or more to hit. 3 !!!! LOL I always have some smart aleck thing saying about my dice rolls, watch me get a 6 when I need a 7.

[phonixinmi]

tyroman,

Given the current circumstances, that sounds like the best option to award fellowship. It gives all players an equal chance to win a prize if they didn't already win the tournament.

[rabidroadkill]

I have seen both voting and random chance to award fellowship. I agree with the votings along with friends, but I saw it completely jacked up at one tourney.

A guy loses his Firelord in either round 1 or 2. He then immediately says, "Okay, I will concede my entire army to you if you will vote for me for fellowship." Next round, before the game even starts, "I will concede to you, if you vote for me for fellowship." This is the most BLATENT abuse of the voting system, and obviously not Sportsman-like.

My usual venue never has anything like this happen and we are all cool with one another.

[warden]

The poll is missing an option - random draw. That's common round here. Myself, when I'm judging, I'll award it if there a conspicuous case of good fellowship, otherwise I use a weighted draw, e.g. a random draw from those players who didn't win or be bad sports.

Andrew

[eboladude]

Actually, EVERYONE at our tourney locations bemoans their foul luck - with humor. It REALLY makes the events FUN! We also tend to suggest strategies to each other, especially if we have a newbie along. And heaven help us if we're playing with 3D buildings - then EVERYONE becomes everyone else's best friend! However, staying on topic, the fellowship award usually goes to the klutz who comes up with the best line bemoaning their terrible fate.

[AZS]

The one bad experience I saw regarding fellowship was where the Judge chose fellowship and picked his own wife.
This was worse because there was a kid there (maybe 15-16) who was a great sport, his mom drove him there (and hung out at the mall for 3 hours), and he paid $5 to play. That really bugged me.
There's also a place I play where the judge absolutely hates me. This guy seems to give fellowship out randomly, though most of the time it seems like he gives it to someone who is a friend of his.

Other than those, every place I play has a voting system for fellowship, and ties are determined by dice rolls. In many cases, the judges even put up a little something extra for the second fellowship person.

[azhael]

When I help a friend of mine out with his events we have the players vote for who they felt showed the best sportsmanship. THen we look at the votes and compare information on the behavior we saw during the tourny. We then take our observations into account as well as the vote.

Yes its more involved than some ways of doing it, but so far we haven't had any complaints.

[Heimdall]

I did a marquee on saturday as a judge and here is how i awarded the fellowship price (the venue let me decide):

It was a sealed marquee with more than one booster, as normal! So i decided to give it to the player who drew worst! There were only 4 participants and 2 pulled uniques so i thought about giving the award to one of the others. The good think that happend was that i made it an elimination match with the person with the most figures standing at the end being the winner, and the winner was the guy who drew worst, so the others tried first to finish the tougher opponents. So with this guy winning the tournament (he never won a LE) i had no problem giving the Kitty Pryde to the other guy who drew no unique. I first made it a tournament from 11am to 2pm but decided to give some overtime until 3pm. So i had only one guy who was not happy, because he neither won the tournament nor the fellowship award (he is always complaining and he regularly upsets the others with being rude and annoying) but i gave him three or four of my nons that i took along for trading purposes and offered him something he liked for his unique.
After all the only think i did not like was not being allowed to participate in a tournament with price support (i would even have offered the judges LE for 2nd place for being allowed to join, but WizKids and their german distributor Fanpro do not allow it, so i have to find a second place to play or players who do not mind playing a tournament without price support).

Heimdall

[Jason Blood]

I dont really like the vote because some people vote for the person they feel sorry for even if they were a horrible sport

I also think this is wrong because of all of the time I have spent at my venue(s) the only time I ever won a LE was when I placed third during the CT marquee and a later tournament (only 4 people) I got 3rd and didn't win the fellowship but the judge (Mr. Pilkington) decided to give me a Nenora (we said the person who didnt win a LE would have a random choice between 3 LEs)

I think that because I am 14 (most of the people at my venue are 20+ (i think)) that I hardly get voted for because I'm the "kid".

I think that the fellowship should be the judges choice (I have no Idea if he would even choose me) or something interesting like people who bought boosters during a draft/sealed tournament and got total ####e if not I actually would suggest something more like a roll off but the person who won it last time would not get the fellowship to make it even

[Weapon_S]

Look people it is simple. we have a group of guys who don't really care who wins or loses (except one guy). we just have a good time and play the game. i think the system is just fine the only thing we do is you can't win fellowship two weeks in a row. it mixes things up and it is free to play just show up. what more do you want. we generally are fair and i personally vote for the best theme (thug smash teams) and frown upon power players (batman indorrs) other than that it comes down to integrity. are you honest enough to fairly vote for the best [sic] loser of the day. i think if you bring your friends and decide that you will vote for each other than you need to get into another game like magic or something.

[hourman]

I play in several local tournaments and it is done differently at each place. One uses a random die roll for for every player including the winner of the tournament. Another venue, does something similar but doesn't include 1st or 2nd place winner in the random die roll. The judge at the last place awards the fellowship based on being a good sport.

I won the fellowship award at the Marquee I went to for being a good sport while getting crushed in the tournament. I really just wanted to play and have played in enough competitive game situations that I know that whining about poor luck/bad draws/mistakes just ruins the fun for every one. I make it a point to be helpful and polite when playing.

[Penworthy]

Our venue votes for the fellowship. I've won twice, but we can only vote for those who were our opponents. This makes it tough on the people who pull a bye due to an odd number of players on a particular day.

Penworthy

[KWr10]

I don't think that Fellowship should even be apart of the game. Where I am, Fellowship goes to the person who had a "bad night" or is new to the game or the shop. I think that the prize suport should be first, second, third. It will save time for the judge no matter what the old method.

[Manchine]

See KWr10, your thoughts are the exact opposite of mine. There should be 2 fellowhip prizes. With the one of the fellowship being an equal to 1st place.

[lewdew]

I have been in three tourneys and i got two fellowships.
I came in last and third place.
The judge gives out the fellowship where i am at,and i think its totaly fair.
The voting thing is cheat proof..........

[hair10]

Originally posted by azs
How is fellowship determined at your venue?
All players vote. Anyone who won isn't eligable for the fellowship vote.
Do you agree with it?
Yep.
Have you won fellowship before?
Yep.

[mylo1wagner]

I won fellowship once before. I played a FF team that got SMOKED.

V-Torch
R-Invisible Girl
E-Thing
E-Mr F.

[shadowchaser]

I give each player 1 vote for fellowship, but stipulate that each player may only vote for someon that they played in that tournament

[Heretic]

Two venues, one is a vote and the other is for second place. I agree w/ both (strange as it sounds) as 2nd place deserves something but the fellowship ideal is good too. The vote should be only for someone that you played against, otherwise it can be misused.

[SpiderKnight]

Everyone votes by paper, chosing one of the people you played against. As far as I can tell, there is no plotting of any of the gamers so their friends get the Fellowship. It tends to go to the person who lost but was a good sport. I've won it on one occasion, and it is accually kind of nice to recieve a prize considering I've never placed...ever.

[Llark]

we do it by voting at my venue if there is a tie we roll on it. sine there is no prize for fellowship which really sucks. the owner of the comic shop/judge gives the second place winner a bag of the R/E/V last week it was each storm and week before was crimson dynamo. A very nice thing to do cause he doesnt have to.

[Llark]

i meant to prize for second.

[Llark]

Ahhh! i hate you cant edit. i meant since there is no prize for second place.

[Marshal Law]

Fellowship is best put to a vote only in those venues where sportsmanship isn't consistently high. In other words, its needed most when player maturity isn't a given. When the players are consistently good sports, then voting IMO is actually a bit flawed as the tendency to vote for friends is overwhelming (given the choice between a friend and a stranger, both who played maturely, a self-honest person will admit the tendency is to vote for the friend).

In such cases, given the new "no second place" situation, I'd feel the prize should go to second place - with the caveat that blatant poor sportsmanship should strip second place (and IMO even first) of the prize. In my experiences, the player who makes it to the finals, loses at the very end, and stays cheerful has probably best shown what fellowship is all about. I'd say "almost winning" is almost as disappointing as "getting skunked" (losing every game, for those few unfamiliar with the term).

Last Marquee, I played a newbie who scored dead last and whom I actually requested the judge and other players to give advice to as we played (my guilt at thrashing him, quickly, was that great), and I played a solidly experienced player that was fun to play and whom a single die roll might have won him the tournament instead of me. Both were top examples of what fellowship is about - a newbie player who lost every time but stuck with it (latter I gave him several figures so he'd have a decent team for the following week), and an almost made it player who lost with a smile. Somehow I feel the latter was just a bit more deserving of fellowship, although removal of the second place prize may be influencing me.

My second choice for awarding fellowship would be random selection, with the first place person exempt.

While I personally like the idea of fellowship going to the dead last player (again, assuming good sportsmanship by all), its too easy (and not so easy to detect) for someone to lose the first game in a tournament and then decide to throw the rest hoping for fellowship (since losing the first game usually rules out first place, fellowship is all thats left). Secondly, fellowship for dead last hoses players who get a "by" (usually given to the player that scored dead last in a prior round of a Swiss tournament), as the "by" actually awards a win and enough points to often take the player out of the "dead last running".

[Quasarswill]

It usually is done by voting but if there is a tie then the judge usually decides

[nuclearbash]

in the comic shop i go to everyone excet the first and second place players role for it

[Bluebeard]

Fellowship is the Judges decision, and he's very good about it. Typically I've seen that he'll give it to a player who had never played at the venue before. (I bring my friends with me a lot, and often they are given fellowship because it's their first time at the shop. They're all used to me by now but luckiliy I'll usually get a 2'nd place prize.) 1'st & 2'nd can't get fellowship.

[Bluebeard]

Fellowship is the Judges decision, and he's very good about it. Typically I've seen that he'll give it to a player who had never played at the venue before. (I bring my friends with me a lot, and often they are given fellowship because it's their first time at the shop. They're all used to me by now but luckiliy I'll usually get a 2'nd place prize.) 1'st & 2'nd don't can't get fellowship.