sol's take - Captain Britain

[sol]

Captain Britain (rookie)
8 8 8 7 7 6
8 7 7 6 6 5
16 15 15[/color] 14 14 13
2 2 2 2 1 1
No Team
Flight
0 range

Captain Britain (experienced)
9 8 8 7 7 6 6 5
9 9 8 8 7 7 6 5
17 16 16 15 15[/color] 14 14 13
4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1
X-Men
Flight
0 range

Captain Britain (veteran) 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 6
10 10 9 9 8 8 7 7
17 16 16 15 15[/color] 14 14 13
4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1
No Team
Flight
0 range


Captain Britain sees his power rise considerably from his rookie to his veteran version. In addition to bolstered statisitics, he picks up Invulnerability Leadership, and the X-Men team ability to reflect his time with X-Calibur. His veteran version flies solo again, becoming the leader of the otherdimensional Captain Britain corps and sporting even more power.

[sol]

Oops...Experienced has one click of 4 damage....carp.
Captain Britain (rookie)
8 8 8 7 7 6
8 7 7 6 6 5
16 15 15 14 14 13
2 2 2 2 1 1
No Team
Flight
0 range

Captain Britain (experienced)
9 8 8 7 7 6 6 5
9 9 8 8 7 7 6 5
16 16 15 15 14 14 13 13
4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1
X-Men
Flight
0 range

Captain Britain (veteran) 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 6
10 10 9 9 8 8 7 7
17 16 16 15 15 14 14 13
4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1
No Team
Flight
0 range


Captain Britain sees his power rise considerably from his rookie to his veteran version. In addition to bolstered statisitics, he picks up Invulnerability Leadership, and the X-Men team ability to reflect his time with X-Calibur. His veteran version flies solo again, becoming the leader of the otherdimensional Captain Britain corps and sporting even more power.

[Manchine]

FOr the Experienced I would drop his LEadership down to 1 klix. He wasnt that great of a leader.

Didnt he have a weapon and such in his rookie form?

[sol]

He had a mace or scepter...but it didn't do anything that translate into stats....it was later changed into a part of his costume by Merlin.

and Yeah, i would have dropped Leadership down, but the stupid edit button is gone...as you well know.

[JayThor]

The Scepter of Right! I would like a Unique of the original Capt. Britian from the Contest of the Champions and Marvel Team-Up 55, and make the R/E/V the versions from Excalibur.

[Valandar]

Technically, Nightcrawler was the leader of Excalibur. Captain Britain was just the powerhouse, and the public "face".

[JayThor]

Good, no leadership will cut the cost! I am not sure about Inv for him. He is very strong, and does have a forcefield, but I think he would be more like Hercules, and have Toughness the whole way, also cutting the cost.

[Manchine]

Ya I forgot he uses a personal force field instead of actual armour. Though I would still give him 1 klix of invuln.

[sol]

well, in respones:

There is more than one way to simulate a force field....people who have alternative versions of force fields:

Invisible Girl: Defend, Barrier, Toughness, Invulnerability
Jean Grey: Energy Shield/ Deflection

I chose Invulnerability for C B because he can withstand bazooka shells.

Hercules with only Toughness is a complete rip off. He is as 'tough' as Thor.

I'll get back to you on the Nightcrawler as leader thing. I know he was, but I am certain there was a time when Cap was considered the leader. Also, Nightcrawler doesn't have Leadership on his dial. And either way, the Vet version is leader of the Captain Britain corps.

[Manchine]

Thor should of only got TOughness accept when he wears his armour.

[JayThor]

Sorry to disagree with you, Manchine, but if Thor only had Toughness, he would have had to have 20 clicks.

[Manchine]

Nah just have it for every kliq and 9 klixs of life for rookie.

[JayThor]

It wouldn't do him justice. The version they did is a good representation for HC, although the new Superman is making him look bad.

[Manchine]

Oh I know. I really know. Thor the new 200+ character. OF course that is a Unique. Of course Unique Thor hmm which version.

PS JayThor check your Messages!!!

[JayThor]

sol- sorry to take up your space, but to answer Manchine, the Unique Thor, Lord of Asgard would be a 300 point monster, that would have a simply fierce dial, 5 or 6 damages for a while, with Invulnerability for at least 6 or 7.

[Manchine]

Yeah that one would be but there are so many others. Thor with the Belt of Power. Thor with his armour on. THor affected by Hela's curse. THor wit hbeard.

Still need to lose all but one of those LEaderships on Exp. And I can see the him having Invuln though.

[proditor]

It would be pretty cool to do a thor with the Belt and Gauntlets, and then give him an obscene damage figure on his last click for the "Unfettered Might" attack he used to swat Fin Fang Foom (Or was that Jormungador?).

[JayThor]

That sounds good to me!

[sol]

Originally posted by Manchine
Thor should of only got TOughness accept when he wears his armour.

Before Thor came out I argued long and hard on that fact, Manchine (In fact I think you were in on that discussion). Thor and Hercules should have gotten Toughness. Thor can be harmed by bullets if they are of high enough calibur, and the density of both Asgardian and Olympian flesh is 3 times that of a norma human being. That is hardly what I would term as Invulnerable.

[sol]

Originally posted by JayThor
sol- sorry to take up your space, but to answer Manchine, the Unique Thor, Lord of Asgard would be a 300 point monster, that would have a simply fierce dial, 5 or 6 damages for a while, with Invulnerability for at least 6 or 7.

No worries, i like the discourse.

[Jervis_Tetch]

Overall, Captain Britain is probly my favourite Marvel dude, so I know tons about him (got his UK Issues etc.) so Im gonna throw in my thoughts:

1.) For the Rookie, no team affiliation cause he was solo after the biking accident, no flight either, super strength and toughness, not Inv. His fighting lion suit wasn't as strong as his others.

2.) Experienced- X-Men affiliation, flight, charge, super strength, inv then down to toughness, and leadership, cause he was infact XCal's leader for the first half of the series.

3.) Veteran-During Excalibur and immediately afterwards, Brain lost his powers and pursued his "scientific" work. The only thing I could see the Vet having would be outwit...all super strength, inv and toughness were lost, no affiliation or flight either, he just rules the Omniverse with Meggan now.....all in all this would be the ####piest piece if made accurately for his timeline.

[Widdle Wade]

lol oh no

ryan i knew ud find thsi thread

i odnt know about giving him leadership cause honesstly he was a horrible leader, nightcrawler tended to pull them together
:)

cheers

[Widdle Wade]

but dont get me wrong the good Cap is still a tough guy, and definatly hard to handle in a fight i just dont think he is a good enuff leader to get leadship at least not then

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Uh, i think it's safe to say I know my #### about Cap and Meg both, he WOULD have leadership at some point. Doesn't matter what yer opinion on his leadership abilities are, point is he was XCal's leader, although bumbling at some points he still got the job done, I can get into issue references if you like Wade :devious:

[Widdle Wade]

sure ryan go ahead, Mr fantastic is a team leader he dont have leadership

thor was a team leader
strange is a team leader

i could go on

and noen of tehm have leadership

leadership goes to charecters who inspire their team to victory

such as cap, batman, doom ect.....

britain is a good superhero but hes not a great leader

jsut cause u run a team doenst mean u deserve leadership

and im not saying hes a abd superhero cause he isnt i just would ahve to say at the time of his EXP version he wouldnt have leadership

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Read some cross-over issues with him and the Captain Britain Corps. then get back to me....pity u make such a judgement only having Excalibur as the only Captain Britain reference you can make :devious:

[Jervis_Tetch]

And when was Dr. Strange a leader? (honestly not contradictory)

[Widdle Wade]

strange led both the defenders and secret defenders as well as midnight sons

cheers

[Nickel97]

No one really leads the Fantastic Four. Leadership isn't really Reed's style. Reed usually goes off and invents some stuff to save the day. this is well represented by plentiful mid-late dial outwit. If anyone really holds the team together, I'd almost say it's Sue. But over all, I think the FF sort of work together as a team.

[Widdle Wade]

lol and i make teh judgement cause in the first 50 issues of excaliber he got teh etam in alot more trouble then he got them out of with bull headed moves

and nNOT being a team player

he may have learned
but at the time of his EXP version he hadnt


chgeers

[Widdle Wade]

oh i agree reed shouldnt have it eithger im jsut saying that jsut beccause someone is considered teh team leader (as reed is) dont mean he should get leadership

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

What's this? Again using Excalibur as your reference? lol, as I said, use another reference if you can, you don't always gotta be right you know. It's like me tryin to tell you more about Vision or somethin....yer jokes!!!! KYFE FOR THAT MATTER!!!!

[Widdle Wade]

i read those xcaliber issues and tahst why i use them as reference im not gonna jsut make osmethin up

u take it too personnaly
im not syaing hes a bad super hero

hes just not a great leader


g nite
cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Again, just pull yer head outta yer ###, do some extra reading outside of XCal, then get back to me. You should know that I'm a little more well informed on this subject. You know more about yer comics, like The Avengers or Rawhide Kid, but I know more about mine:devious: KYFE!!!!

[Widdle Wade]

lol

why would i read outside Excaliber? when u r basing the experianced version of Captain Britain on his time there


2.) Experienced- X-Men affiliation, flight, charge, super strength, inv then down to toughness, and leadership, cause he was infact XCal's leader for the first half of the series.


thats a direct quote from what YOU said
and in teh first half of that series he was a HORRIBLE leader
im sorry but he was
and yes thats all im basing my point on because thats what YOU BASED yours on

and again this does not make him a bad hero, it just makes him a bad leader
and therefore underving of leadership at teh time of his experianced version

ryan u really need to stop taking this so personnaly


anywyas cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Hey, if ya can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen right? You don't always gotta keep posting replies to my posts, try doing somethin else if ya don't like bein contradicted, like possibly reading a dictionary so ya might actually create a proper sentence for once :devious:

[Widdle Wade]

ahhhhh must you get personnel ryan?


but of coarse

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Ummmm, just checked my dictionary, I can't find the word personnel anywhere so I dunno how to reply to this.....:grin:

[Mr Streator]

Funny, my dictionary has "personnel" in it.


-Streator
You guys are arguing about Captain Britain. I mean, come on.

[Widdle Wade]

rofl


i don't need to say anything

lol

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Shot down, by a third party nontheless, truly embarrassing.....should've seen the backfire :p

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by Jervis_Tetch
Again, just pull yer head outta yer ###, do some extra reading outside of XCal, then get back to me. You should know that I'm a little more well informed on this subject. You know more about yer comics, like The Avengers or Rawhide Kid, but I know more about mine:devious: KYFE!!!!

He's basing the experienced version entirely on Brian's appearances in Excalibur. While he was in effect the leader of that team, his actions hardly warent the free action that leadership grants. If anyting, this drunkin period of his history would be better suited by a loss of an action since his "leadership" often muddled any teamwork attempted.

Veteran Captain B. should definatly have leadership. No question.

He should have invulnerability too. No matter what any power book or marvel guide said otherwise. In the comics, he is invulnerable. That is what matters.

[Jervis_Tetch]

Man this subject's tiring me, Wade being a personal friend of mine I'm fully aware what he is referring to, it's just banter back and forth. Vet leadership yeah ok since he rules the omniverse, but by this time he has no invulnerability, for proof read Excalibur's "To Save The World A Hero Must Fall" he loses ALL his powers, including invulnerability. For further reference read Excalibur Vol. 2, 1-4. Quite often reference is made to Brain no longer being invulnerable, hence Meggan and Psylocke's concern towards him venturing to obtain the sword by himself.

[Jervis_Tetch]

Whoops, type-o, it should be Brian up in there, not Brain.....although Brain proved to be quite invaluable to Inspector Gadget

[Doctor Strange]

Wow, I need to check out volume 2! I did not know it existed.

How about Brians bride? Her powers cover so many posibilities.

[Jervis_Tetch]

Doctor Strange my friend, now we're talkin business. Captain Britain's wife is named Meggan, and she's pretty much my favourite all time Marvel character, so i could talk a blue streak about her. When she first started out, she was only a shapeshifter; however, unlike most shapeshifters she can use the powers of whomever she turns into (except assimilating Wolverine's claws of course). Later she gains elemental powers and can "tap into the earth".....further on down the road, Meggan becomes EXTREMELY powerful, still possessing her shapeshifting and elemental powers, she gains more abilities that are hard to explain. For example, one time she wanted to head for the roof on Muir Island from the inside of the building, so she asked the floor to move out of her way, and it did. It separated, then re-attached after she was through. In another incident, Meggan and Colossus are heading for a set of spikes on a runaway roller coaster, so Meggan turns them into flowers and butterflies. Lastly, she has this power but I've only seen it used once, as part of her "in tune with the earth" bit, she can also see ppl's lifeforce surrounding their body, its like looking at an electromagnetic field for her, she has the ability to just rip this lifeforce away......all in all she's one of the more powerful characters on Earth in Marvel, but as a buddy of mine says, they have to make her naive, very much so when it comes to Brian, so that even she has a "tragic flaw".....if ya need to know any more just drop me a message, as I said, I can talk a blue streak on Cap and Meg:)

[rarebreed]

I say the Unique Thor should be top of the line wityh only one klick of KO, Using the Odin power should be a vouluntary things since Thor can chose to use it.
Stating with a speed of 10, hypersonic speed
attack of 13, Superstrength
defense of 16, Invulnerability
Damage of 4, Close Combat Expert
Range of 12 with two shots

[Doctor Strange]

Jervis, ive always liked that about Megan. How her human flaws or characteristics were able to influence her power. I was only with Excalibur in the first year or so of its run, but I saw her display vast abilities. Remember the time when Juggernaut flattened Brian and she got ummm would angry be too soft a word? She started tapping the British isles for power and the environment was goin haywire and you just knew that she could go toe to toe with juggernaut, but at the cost of the environment. All that potential power, but her personality keeps her from going crazy with it. like when they had to land on that boat and the fishermen intimidated her. I guess shes always been an empath too. Very cool character and I wish marvel did more work with her.

Ahh.. If I could influence marvel, the first book you would see would be a new Excalibur. Great stories, great art and personable characters.

[sol]

To the criticsm that Cap shouldn't have Leadership on the Exp version because he was a 'poor leader'....Since when was Doctor Octopus an 'effective leader'? Exp Octopus got it. I was like, "he was leader enough to add an extra action? Ok, sure."

Captain Britain was the leader of Xcalibur, druken or not. He then became leader of the Captain Britain corps.

I wll be doing a Meggan dial in the very near future.

[Taibak]

Hmmm... not to throw more fuel on the fire or anything, but I'm not sure I agree with some of your choices here. First off, the Experienced version should not have Leadership. Brian was never the leader of Excalibur. Check out Excalibur #25 where Phoenix realizes that Nightcrawler had been pretty much in command from day one. Also, in #20 or thereabouts, she even made a sarcastic remark about his complete lack of leadership skills. Heck, he wasn't even that great a team player. In 'The Sword is Drawn,' he only reluctantly joined the team and in issues #2, #20, and #62 he showed his fists-first mentality that made him a liability more than anything.

Anyway, with Leadership out of the way, you might seriously want to look into giving him Battle Fury. It would be completely in character as it would prevent him from acting as a taxi (he tended to charge into battle leaving his teammates behind all too often) and it would keep him from throwing things (hitting things was his speciality). It would also be a good way to represent the fact that he very easily gets carried away. Check out some of the old Marvel UK stuff, particularly his final battle with Slaymaster (who probably should be his archenemy, BTW) where, in a fit of rage, the Cap crushes his head with a rock.

As for stats, move might be a little low, but increasing it to 10 might be pushing things. The Cap was fast, but I'm not sure he was quite as fast as the Human Torch. I think defense is a little high for someone who tended to attack recklessly (check out how easily the Fury knocked him out of commission - twice - in the recently published Captain Britain trade paperback). To help compensate for those deficiencies, you might want to look into giving him Flurry after his Charge. That might jack his point cost a little high, but would make him an interesting alternative to your typical brick.

As for the other two versions, it really depends on what time frames they represent. If the Veteran version is after the end of the recent Excalibur limited series, it's fine. If it's before that, well, as others have pointed out he had lost his powers. I'm not sure how you could do that though and still make him more points than the Experienced version.

Similarly, is the Rookie the red costumed Captain or Alan Davis's Captain? If it's the Cap from when he first started out, you're going to need to tone him down a little more. He couldn't fly at that point and did not have Super Strength. Leap/Climb, Flurry, and Incapacitate would all be worth looking into as replacements. You might also want to give him the Spider-Man team ability, representing both his partnership with Spidey and with the fact that, in true Marvel UK fasion, his book at the time was *loaded* with American guest stars.

On the other hand, if it's Brian after he got his red, white, and blue costume you could probably beef him up a little. Starting at 3 damage wouldn't hurt, nor would giving him Invulnerabiltiy, instead of Toughness on the first click. He should definitely have Charge and Battle Fury though.

Taibak

[Taibak]

Oh, and check out Excalibur 19. She actually *did* replicate Wolverine's claws.

And his smoking habit, actually.

Taibak

[Jervis_Tetch]

K Taibak, not to embarrass you here, but I live and breathe Captain Britain and Meggan. Where do i want to start puttin you down....no offense, but im really tired of ppl thinkin they know more #### about the two of them than I do....im sure many ppl do, but if yer gonna say somethin make sure it's correct....check the Marvel Universe Trading Cards from 1990-1993...who's that in the team leader box for Excalibur???Oh yeah, its CAPTAIN BRITAIN.....there's also these two things in your head called eyes, you can use them for reading, you'd be amazed, Excalibur #19, Meggan CANNOT replicate Wolverine's claws, hence hers are quote unquote made "naturally", as in out of her bones.....don't mean to sound harsh here, but really, I've read anything and everything to do with Cap and Meg, and pretty much memorized the Excalibur series....I'll check tnight and find the issue where Cap actually renounces his leadership to Nightcrawler for ya, just to actually show that he was the leader at some point.

[Jervis_Tetch]

BTW, I totally agree with you sol, keep up the good work....hell apparently even Doombot's can warrant leadership, so there's no reason Cap shouldnt. Can't wait to see the Meggan dial dude

[rarebreed]

Let me chime in here. Captain Britain especially at last appearance has abilities on the level of the Silver Surfer as far as Being the monarch of Otherworld and holding both the sword of might and the amulet of right. When I think of Captain Britian, I think he should utilize a power that is underused in Heroclix. Give him Force Blast with good range. 8 range with two shots.
8 speed with force blast
11 attack with Incapacitate
17 with Willpower
3 damage with perplex
That would be a good starting point for his vet version or perhaps a Unique version since he is in the armor for most of his previous career
I know as a king, You would expect him to have leadership but Perplex makes the force blast more effective with the option of sending people back four spaces perhaps off of a building or to a wall for more damage and to keep the blades and claws away.

[Doctor Strange]

Jervis, hate to call you out, but wolverines claws are actually nothing but bone. At most times in history, they were laced with admantium (like the rest of his bones), but his natural mutant power gives him bone claws.


Taibak-- I agree with you about Captain B. I like the flurry idea and Ive already considered putting it on my custom base. But that's the cool thing about custom bases, everybody can make there own to their own standards. I really don't think he should have the effects of the leadership ability either. And when it comes down to it, I don't take statistics listed on collectable cards seriously. I've seen some of those cards be entirelly incorrect. Still tho.. customs are cool because you get to create the figure the way it makes sense to you.

[Jervis_Tetch]

K, for the last time on this one for those of you who apparently have REALLY thick skulls....I will try to be as basic as possible so everyone in the slow class here can understand....Meggan thinking to herself in Excalibur #19 (got the freakin book right in front of me this time) referring to Wolverine..."how closely do we match? He has unbreakable bones and...claws. (snikt). His are metal. My body's made mine naturally"....hence as I've said before ppl, SHE CANNOT ASSIMILATE HIS ADIMANTIUM SKELETON, and if you'll read my original post on this issue, it says quote unquote "except assimilating Wolverine's claws of course".....really ppl, your eyes can do you wonders if you use them....oh sorry Dr Strange, didnt know you were the one who'd just made the previous comment dude or I wouldn't have been so harsh.
Take it easy ppl, hopefully this subject will finally go to rest

[Doctor Strange]

Wolverines claws are made of bone.

[Manchine]

Umm yep wolvie's claws are bone under that metal. Yes he does have bone claws.

[Jervis_Tetch]

LOL, does anyone else see something wrong here, what part of she can't assimilate Wolverine's adamantium skeleton don't you understand??? And when did I say Wolverine's claws weren't made of bone? Holy #### ppl....your eyes, then can do wonders for you if you use them.....

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Jervis_Tetch
"how closely do we match? He has unbreakable bones and...claws. (snikt). His are metal. My body's made mine naturally"....hence as I've said before ppl, SHE CANNOT ASSIMILATE HIS ADIMANTIUM SKELETON,


"except assimilating Wolverine's claws of course"[/QUOTE]

when you place it like this. You have made it sound very much like she cant do it. So chill dude. You just worded it wrong. If you would of put it in a seperate paragraph. People wouldnt of had such a big deal. So like I said chill and back off. Plus your words before this is.

Originally posted by Jervis_Tetch
Meggan CANNOT replicate Wolverine's claws,

[Jervis_Tetch]

Yeah I know, but ppl aren't making such a big deal about because they actually understand what im sayin, I've already been PMd by I dunno how many ppl tellin me I'm right and to just ignore it, it only seems two ppl couldn't understand....and although you used my own "quotes" against me here, it's funny that the one you left out was the one in capital letters sayin "SHE CANNOT ASSIMILATE HIS ADIMANTIUM SKELETON". Thank you however, to all those who actually took the time to read ALL my posts on the subject thoroughly.....hopefully this time this thread's finally finished.
Take it easy all,

[Manchine]

Not a bad guess! Just thought I would tell ya. Mine was very similar