Catholic Clix - Comic info needed!

[thornnspear]

Ok, so in recent films it's been apparent that Daredevil and Nightcrawler are Catholic - Daredevil's confessor is also his confidand, and Nightcrawler allegedly is a former priest and is seen reciting the rosary (in german) in X2.

So, who else out there could be fielded in a "catholic" heroclix team?

So far divine providence might help w/ the tons of supersenses rolls one would make w/ daredevils and nightcrawler on your team... <grin>

[msdiener]

I believe that Huntress is Catholic.

[weezer_10]

Yeah Nightcrawler apparently is trying to become a priest, he was in the circus before he became an X-Man (referring to comic history, not the movie).

Daredevil/Matt Murdock, another Catholic, even in the comics you see him attend confession battling his "inner-demons".

Huntress may be another; her family was an Italian mafia family, and well, Italian mafia families are often stereotyped as Catholics.

Wolsfbane, Rahne Sinclair is another. She was orphaned and raised by strict Catholic preacher named, Reverend Craig.

Spider-Man may also be one but I'm not sure; Aunt May recites the 'Our Father' holding Rosary beads before going to bed in the movie. There's definitely a strong Christian influence there anyway.

Superman also had a strong Christian upbringing, Johnathan and Martha Kent were praying for a child around the time Kal-El landed on Earth. Martha is always praying for Johnathan during the 'Death of Superman' saga, as Johnathan is venturing on his 'spiritual search' for Clark.

Spider-Man and Superman I'm not sure about being Catholic, but they're definitely Christian influenced.

[Phil Dixon]

I'm looking forward to Battle Pope clix, myself.

[PantherPriest]

Nightcrawler is in fact ordained at this point, he has the collar and all. Well that was before Chuck Austen, I stopped reading after that.

[overkill]

Here's some for future reference that aren't in Heroclix yet.

Firebird's is Catholic. Punisher -was- Catholic (I'm not sure now). Aurora from Alpha Flight is -very- Catholic in one of her split personalities. Dagger is Catholic (not sure about Cloak). Bushwhacker (a villain) is Catholic. Venom's Catholic (Eddie Brock that is ;) ).

As for those that -are- in the game:

Thor at least believes in the Catholic church's beliefs (as he expressed in the classic 'Whatever Gods There Be' storyline) and I'd guess that Doom is Catholic, when he's not being a master of the occult. Most middle-European monarchs in his region are. I'm sure there are more.

Superman I'm not too sure about. Given the region he and his folks live in, I'd go with a Protestant religion. Probably Baptist or Unitarian.

Not too many Marvel jewish folks though, which is surprising when you consider that the MU's creators Stan Lieberman (known as Stan Lee) and Jacob Kurtzburg (using the name Jack Kirby) were both jewish.

Just my .02,
Rick

[GambitXXM]

I'm pretty sure Gambit's Catholic.

[Valandar]

Superman is definitely Christian, but due to the region he grew up is most likely some brand of protestant.

And without a doubt, Gambit would be agnostic if anything, due to his constant self-reliance and willingness to compromise his morals (Sinister, anyone?). If he wasn't, then he'd also be a hypocrite. Wolverine is an Atheist with occasional doubts. And Thor isn't so much Catholic, as much as he knows there are greater powers than he and his kind.

BTW, Kitty's Jewish... kinda cool that the single most popular female X-men (according to survey) is the only one that is clearly religious at all...

Me, I'm agnostic, but more power to you if you have faith in anything at all. As long as you don't try to ram it down my throat, that is.

[Psylockeslover]

Not sure if NC is catholic, but he is very religious. He spent many years(comic time) in a monistary and became a monk. Didn't know he became an ordained priest...

[Gargantua]

Nightcrawler, Daredevil, Aurora and Huntress definitely. Superman I agree is probably one of the Protestant denominations. Spider-Man I don't think there's enough evidence really. The Our Father is pretty well universal among all Christian faiths - it's taken straight out of the Bible. I'm not too sure about Wolvesbane either. She's from Scotland, which is heavily Presbyterian/Calvinist - not to pigeon hole an entire nation, certainly there are members of all religions in just about every country these days.

[Wilz]

Hawkeye is Catholic. Remembering his mini-series, when he was pretending to be dead his had a Catholic funeral (if memory serves me right). Kingpin was portrayed as Catholic (link to the whole mafia thing) in early DD. Vision also played with the whole religious-Catholic thing at one point.

Nightcrawler
Vision
Daredevil
Hawkeye
Huntress
Kingpin

Great characters and although the press has been bad lately- Great Religion.

[weezer_10]

Oh yea, Bibbo Bibbowski (spelling), one of Superman's friends is Catholic. During the 'Death of Superman' saga he prayed the 'Our Father', made the sign of the cross asking God to give the world strength during Superman's death.

[GambitXXM]

Originally posted by Valandar
And without a doubt, Gambit would be agnostic if anything, due to his constant self-reliance and willingness to compromise his morals (Sinister, anyone?). If he wasn't, then he'd also be a hypocrite.

In Gambit's second limited series, at the beginning he was sort of pissed of at God, but by the end, he had regained his faith. He was raised Catholic IIRC.

[weezer_10]

Of course Gambit is Catholic; he's "creole New Orleans blood". :p

[thornnspear]

Wow, thanks everyone. Yeah, supes grew up in the bible belt, and the spider-man/aunt may thing would be nice....

[thornnspear]

...I meant to say the spirderman theory is a bit of a stretch. I had been wondering about huntress (due to the cross she wears).

[Hatut Zeraze]

Cool clix they could make that might fit the bill could come from Astro City: The Confessor and Altar Boy would certainly apply. The Crossbreed might, although, I picture those guys more as non-denominational Christians.

[littletrancebo]

Go Jebus:eek:

[Spookythecat]

I think Nightwing is as well. (Although Batman, most assuredly, isn't.)

[Jervis_Tetch]

You could get a slew of answers from Marvel's "Infinity Crusade" series. The Goddess only selected religious heroes to assist her, not all are Catholic though...Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are though. The Goddess didn't choose Johnny to assist her though cause his beliefs aren't as "deep" as Sue's. Hope that helps.

[PaxZRake]

Originally posted by Valandar
And Thor isn't so much Catholic, as much as he knows there are greater powers than he and his kind.

Of course Thor knows that there are greater powers than he. His dad's Odin, he hangs out with Zues and he darn well knows about The Living Tribunal, Eternity, Death, Galactus, and all of the Celestials.

[boneyard]

According to Nightwing artist Scott McDaniel, Nightwing is Christian, but not Catholic.

IIRC, here's the Catholic Clix you can play:

Daredevil
Huntress
Nightcrawler

Possible Catholics (or lasped Catholics):

Kingpin
Gambit
Hawkeye
Catwoman (her sister was a nun)
Plastic Man

Due to strong guilt and responsibilites the following could be Catholic (or Jewish):

Spider-Man
Blue Beetle

[Hatut Zeraze]

Great summation Boneyard

[overkill]

Don't forget Wolfsbane.

Also, Thor confirmed his belief in God in both an Ultron adventure (where he denied that he felt uncomfortable in a nunnery (Catholic, of course) because of his belief in God). Just before this whole "Lord of Asgard" thing started, he consoled a Catholic child that his faith in God was true.

But the strongest moment came about in the classic "Whatever Gods There Be". In that story he saved a Catholic priest from a collapsing church. The priest had been losing faith and wondering whether he should have been worshipping Thor, a god he could see, all along. Thor, mightily supporting the church, tells him that though there are great powers in Asgard, there is One whose radiance outshines us all, and (and you really have to see the issue to get how dramatic this is.) "Thy faith is NOT misplaced!"

Thor and Odin have both referred to God as "The one to whom every knee must bend, and whose light outshines us all."

If not specifically Catholic, Thor and the Asgardians are at least a god-fearing people. However, "Whatever gods There Be" does give at least a little evidence towards his actual belief system.

Just my .02,
Rick

[rolanzo]

Originally posted by overkill
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Given the region he and his folks live in, I'd go with a Protestant religion. Probably Baptist or Unitarian.

Just my .02,
Rick

That's quite that choices you gave--Baptist or Unitarian. That's saying he's either Mormon or Buddhist, not sure which
;)

[spanishyoda]

A good argument for Spidey being Catholic in comics are

A: May Parker's maiden name is Reiley, and given her age and region of the country that she grew up in it could be assumed that she is Catholic.

B: I believe in the ASM issue where Peter proposes to Mary Jane,Aunt May donated his old microscope to a Catholic Church for a fund raiser.

C: In the many what if tales where Peter PArker dies, (Most notably What if Kraven had killed Spider-man and What if Spider-man became Venom) Spider-man is shown as having a Catholic, or Catholic looking funeral.

These of course are all speculative theories, but hope they help!

[Billy Jack]

I'd go with supes being a methodist or unitarian, chris reeves is a practicing unitarian so it's a good bet dc headded that way.

[Billy Jack]

Oh hey Alfred probably belongs to the church of england, like me Could he have raised Bruce as an episcopalian?

[WarHULK]

Just because someone is "raised" in a certain religion does not mean that they choose to be a member of said religion once they are on their own. I would argue that Spiderman and Batman definately have no strong religious beliefs at this time.

Peter being a very science oriented individual tends to dismiss the religious angle many times though he has been known to pray in some way but it's typically prayed with a "if you're real" or "we don't get along well, God" or some such comment. He may have some catholic roots, however.

Bruce is far too jaded about life. He wouldn't believe in God because of the life he's lead. If he does believe in God then I'm sure he would blame God for the death of his parents anyway. Either way, Batman truely seems to be one of the least religious comic characters... much like another Bruce... like Dr. Banner.

[cracker_nate]

Oddest. Topic. Ever.

But not a bad one. I just never expected to see it. I wouldn't use the "Our Father" as a sign of being Catholic. Many denominations use this. The same is true with the ideas of confession and alter boys. Eastern Orthodoxy has both.

Doom most likely would not be Catholic, but would probably be Eastern Orthodox, as Latvaia (sp) is a (made-up) Eastern European country, not unlike Macedonia and Slavic nations.

And also don't look at funerals too hard. I've been to Lutherin funeral that look a lot like Catholic, as do Orthodox.

[overkill]

Actually Doom's shown evidence over his history that he's Catholic, including his discussion with a Catholic priest. I'm quite a student of Doom, and I'd say that his religion is most likely Catholic. Latveria's a pretty standard northern Balkan state, and its locale is in a prominently Catholic region.

Given that Uncle Ben's of Irish descent (based on his last name) it would stand to reason that he's Catholic. There's a very large presence of Irish Catholics in New York. Peter's probably 'too cool' to go to church, but I'd say he'd follow in his uncle's footsteps if he does go to church.

As to rolanzo's statement, I'm simply saying that he's a Christian, but probably not a Catholic, given the region he grew up in.

Just my .02,
Rick

[CquinnO27]

Originally posted by overkill
But the strongest moment came about in the classic "Whatever Gods There Be". In that story he saved a Catholic priest from a collapsing church. The priest had been losing faith and wondering whether he should have been worshipping Thor, a god he could see, all along. Thor, mightily supporting the church, tells him that though there are great powers in Asgard, there is One whose radiance outshines us all, and (and you really have to see the issue to get how dramatic this is.) "Thy faith is NOT misplaced!"
Rick

Does anyone know which issues of Thor this was? Or was it a special limited series?

[thugit]

Actually, if you read The Chalice, Batman AND Ra's Al Ghul seem to believe that Jesus had some sort of claim to deity, so I think Batman is a believer in Christ to a certain degree. Nightwing definetly is.....

[overkill]

This was a normal issue of Thor. I have the issue in my archives. I'll find it. The title of the story is 'Whatever gods there be'.

Just my .02,
Rick

[MrPopo]

Now this is something you don't see every day here! The faiths of various superheroes. I'll probably think of more after I post this.

Oh, and I should add: it was revealed not too long ago in Fantastic Four that Ben Grimm is Jewish. He was never very devout, what with his father being a raging alcoholic and he and his brother being gang members, but in an issue last year, he came back to Yancy Street and defended an old Jewish shopkeeper from the Yancy Street Gang, and the truth came out. And it was revealed that Jack Kirby had intended him to be Jewish all along, which isn't surprising since Kirby sort of patterned the Thing after himself.

[clixhunter]

other jewish heroes are: justice, sabra, magneto.

[Redwolf]

Oky doky.
Unitarian sounds good for Superman. But Unitarians are a very accepting Belief. They have ministers who are Christian,Buddhist, Pagan etc... One such group within a church worship Odin. And boy do you not want to joke about HULK is Stronger than Thor. Yeessh. I added this for additional info. I am a Unitarian And our Minister Cynthia Cain is a practicing Buddhist.
Redwolf

[Nightcrawler_1]

who cares which superhero is catholic or not. as long as they kick ### it doesn't matter.

[weezer_10]

Originally posted by Nightcrawler_1
who cares which superhero is catholic or not. as long as they kick ### it doesn't matter.
If you had read the original post in this thread, you would have realised that the person who started it wanted to make a 'Catholic' themed Heroclix team.

And for some people, yes, it does matter to an extent that certain characters are Catholic or of other faiths and religions, it makes the character that extra little bit more interesting.

This is not about 'this character is better because he has a faith'.

[Redwolf]

Has anyone thought of Raven and Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange. Clea[Strange's wife], Agatha Harkness[Wanda's tutor] They are studing witchcraft and sorcery a religon known as wiccan.

Redwolf's "mate"

[MrPopo]

Regarding Magneto as Jewish: I'm not so sure about that. I think he was actually a Gypsy and not a Jew, but both groups were persecuted by the Nazis, so it's understandable that people would think he was.

[Jean_genie]

Originally posted by overkill
Don't forget Wolfsbane.

Also, Thor confirmed his belief in God in both an Ultron adventure (where he denied that he felt uncomfortable in a nunnery (Catholic, of course) because of his belief in God). Just before this whole "Lord of Asgard" thing started, he consoled a Catholic child that his faith in God was true.

But the strongest moment came about in the classic "Whatever Gods There Be". In that story he saved a Catholic priest from a collapsing church. The priest had been losing faith and wondering whether he should have been worshipping Thor, a god he could see, all along. Thor, mightily supporting the church, tells him that though there are great powers in Asgard, there is One whose radiance outshines us all, and (and you really have to see the issue to get how dramatic this is.) "Thy faith is NOT misplaced!"

Thor and Odin have both referred to God as "The one to whom every knee must bend, and whose light outshines us all."

If not specifically Catholic, Thor and the Asgardians are at least a god-fearing people. However, "Whatever gods There Be" does give at least a little evidence towards his actual belief system.

Just my .02,
Rick

Yeah, but there are two problems with this logic. For one, that obviously doesn't make him Catholic - or even Christian. He could be talking about Yaweh (is that correct? The Jewish name for God), or even Allah. All he confirmed, from your description, was the believe in 'a god.'

But secondly - and more importantly - Thor couldn't actually 'confirm' Christianity or Judaism. I don't think he could confirm Islam either, but I don't know enough about it. The reason is that one of the main points of the Ten Commandments is that "Thou shalt worship no false gods" ... in other words, it is against Judaism/Christianity to believe in more than one god. The existence of Thor, Odin, etc sort of kills that, don't you think? Unless of course you want to consider all other gods a test of faith - those that believe are unfaithful. But then with all those gods running around, it would be literally impossible to know which one was correct for sure - especially because every single God has a face attacthed to him, EXCEPT the monotheistic Gods.

Heh. Monotheistic gods is sort of an oxymoron :)

[heylady]

I know they're not out quite yet, but give yourself a month, and you can add at least Magdalena and Witchblade out of the Indy set. I don't know much about any of the others, but Sara was raised Catholic, and Patience is the warrior for the Church. ;)

[clixhunter]

Originally posted by MrPopo
Regarding Magneto as Jewish: I'm not so sure about that. I think he was actually a Gypsy and not a Jew, but both groups were persecuted by the Nazis, so it's understandable that people would think he was.

i was also lookin at his name...eric lensher(sp?) and the fact that both he and charlie had an extended stay in israel.....

[weezer_10]

Originally posted by Jean_genie
...The reason is that one of the main points of the Ten Commandments is that "Thou shalt worship no false gods" ... in other words, it is against Judaism/Christianity to believe in more than one god. The existence of Thor, Odin, etc sort of kills that, don't you think?
Here we encounter the distinct difference between "worship" and "acknowledgement".

Look at it this way; when you go to the store, you see someone you know, but you decide not to speak to him, you just nod politely and walk away. You acknowledge him, but you don't devote your time to him.

I'm a devout Catholic, I believe in God and all that comes with the faith, but I also acknowledge the existence of other faiths and religions, and with that, the existence of other gods. This however, does not mean I worship these "other" gods. This is not by any means saying that "mine is right, and yours is wrong" or, "yours is right, and mine is wrong". It is simply about tolerance, and acknowledging that not everyone out there belives in God, or "a god".

"Some people prefer Pepsi, some people prefer Coke" (Cake - Comfort Eagle), they take one or the other, but still know there is "the other".

And overkill, the "nunnery" as you referred, is known as a 'convent'.

[Jean_genie]

Originally posted by weezer_10
Here we encounter the distinct difference between "worship" and "acknowledgement".

I'm a devout Catholic, I believe in God and all that comes with the faith, but I also acknowledge the existence of other faiths and religions, and with that, the existence of other gods. This however, does not mean I worship these "other" gods. This is not by any means saying that "mine is right, and yours is wrong" or, "yours is right, and mine is wrong". It is simply about tolerance, and acknowledging that not everyone out there belives in God, or "a god".

And overkill, the "nunnery" as you referred, is known as a 'convent'.

There is a large difference between the acknowledgement of other faiths, and other other gods. I, for one, am not religious myself. I say that I don't believe in God, but I'm not opposed to the idea either - if one day I have a 'revalation', so be it. However, I have been to many different services (all of Christian denomination), and I acknowledge the existence and/or validity of those sects. I do not, however, acknowledge the existences of God. Acknowledging the existence of God and Jesus Christ (as a being, and not an idea)makes one a Christian, even a non-practicing one. Similarly, acknowledging the existence of Allah would make one a believer of Islam. The reason is that religion is founded not upon worship, but upon belief. If you believe that Shiva, Brama, and Ganesha exist, then you would be Hindu. Or Hindi .... I'm not sure what the proper adjective form is. Note that whereas many of us read about Thor and Odin (sometimes outside of comics even), most of us only know the idea of Thor. I don't know anybody who prays to the Thunder God for rain, nor whom prays to the Allfather for glory in his dealings at the office.

The point here is that the main basis of any monotheistic religion is the idea that there is only one God. The Christian Coalition, for example, could never acknowledge the existence of Allah; because in doing so, that means that there are now two Gods, when there ought only be one. Do you know what I mean?

Oh, and "nunnery" is actually a correct word, albeit an archaic one. Shakespeare used it a few times. Like in Hamlet, where Hamlet told Ophelia "Get thee to a nunnery."

[hulkamania85]

There was an article in the San Diego Union Tribune a while back that was titled "Superheroes reveal secret IDs-faiths". It was mostly about Thing revealing that he was Jewish. At the end of the article it lists religious comic book characters. According to the list, Wolfsbane is a Scottish Presbyterian, Nightcrawler is Catholic(he was trying to become a priest), Daredevil is Catholic, and The Punisher is a former Catholic seminary student.

[Redwolf]

As to praying to the Allfather. I do know some who still profess this faith these include rituals and discussions etc... These people do take their faith seriously as I have previously stated. The 3 Unitarian Churches I have visited all have had CUUP Chapters( Covenant Universalist Unitarian Pagans.) So if you type in those CUPPS in a search engine you should be able to connect with them. Also The group in Lexington Kentucky of the Nordic faith tend to refer to themselves as Norse Heathens.
Redwolf

[BigSoph]

Batman is a confirmed atheist, Superman is protestant (exact denomination unknown), Thor's is his own dad. Wonder Woman is Greek Mythology (easy to maintain faith when you can have lunch with your god/gods and they give you presents). Martian Manhunter is Barsoom Orthodox. Tony Stark's is Jack Daniels

Hal Jordan would have been christian (probably protestant of some sort) but that fell apart when he became Parallax and decided that, sicne there was no god, the position was open!

Most aliens would probably not have an Earth religion unless they were raised here, including Starfire, most of the Green Lantern corps and Such.

Silver SUrfer would be difficult to figure. Maybe he believes his god gave him the strength to save his world or he is actually working 9 to 5 for him

Doom would probably be atheist (although it is a little hard to be an atheist when you have personally gotten into fist fights with your god and his personal enemies)

[BigSoph]

Originally posted by Jean_genie
The Christian Coalition, for example, could never acknowledge the existence of Allah; because in doing so, that means that there are now two Gods, when there ought only be one. Do you know what I mean?

Oh, and "nunnery" is actually a correct word, albeit an archaic one. Shakespeare used it a few times. Like in Hamlet, where Hamlet told Ophelia "Get thee to a nunnery."

Allah is just the Arabic word for "God", much the same as Jehovah or Yahweh

Christianity and Islam worship the same god as the Jews. the only real dif is where does the holy book stop... (New Testament, Quran and Old Testament respectively. Before anyone says it, these are in general, I am aware of the Mormons, Druze and Jews for Jesus, among others)

On nunneries and Shakespeare: Nunnery was a colloquialism for brothel in William's time. Hamlet wasn't moralizing, he was being downright rude!

And to end, I quote Homer...

SAVE ME, JEBUS!

[spanishyoda]

Just to throw in my two cents regarding the Thor, belief in one God ect...

In the Marvel Universe it has been readily accepted as cannon that the Asgardians, Olympians, and such are not gods, but in fact Alien races, who at one time saw fit to intervene in the race of man, and sought their worship, but no longer do so. So Thor acknowledging the existince of One God, or supreme being, doesn't neccesarily negate the first commandment (which actualy reads "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me, Exedous 20:2-3).

And as for Christians acknowleding Allah, Christians do in fact acknowledge both Allah and Yaweh, for they are in fact the same God. Allah and Yaweh are two different names for the God of Abraham, which Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in, we just believe that he has done different things and worship him in different ways.

Well that's enough for my Sunday homily!
God bless!

[kung_fu_lizard]

catwoman, unfortunately for your prospective team, is right out, i think. her sister was a nun (she later left the nunnery after a crisis of faith) but catwoman never shared her sisters faith, and often found it weird and alien to her life.

spider-man, just to throw a wrench into the works, may believe in reincarnation, having in one issue prayed to, in his next life, be bitten by a radioactive jennifer lopez :)


Originally posted by boneyard
According to Nightwing artist Scott McDaniel, Nightwing is Christian, but not Catholic.

IIRC, here's the Catholic Clix you can play:

Daredevil
Huntress
Nightcrawler

Possible Catholics (or lasped Catholics):

Kingpin
Gambit
Hawkeye
Catwoman (her sister was a nun)
Plastic Man

Due to strong guilt and responsibilites the following could be Catholic (or Jewish):

Spider-Man
Blue Beetle :grin: :grin:

[thugit]

Has anyone read The Chalice? Batman isn't really Christian, but he's not a "confirmed atheist". Same with Ra's Al Ghul.

[Jean_genie]

I thought that gods other than "that one" were only Aliens in Earth/Universe X. I know that the storyline revolved around that point. I wasn't aware that idea existed outside of that storyline though.

But as far as God/Allah/Yaweh being the same .... they are, and they aren't. In theory, all of them are the same person with different names. All of them created the world, and then created life. then all of them taught people to be faithful to Him, and punished those that weren't. In practice, you'll find that they all have slightly different personalities in the New Testament/Quran/Torah, and that most of the .... more stringent believers in the faith hold that they are NOT all the same. Some more Fundamentalist believers actually get very angry when you compare their religion to one of the other 'big three'. Indeed, history supports this idea: the Crusades basically boiled down the God vs. Allah, much in the way that the modern fight over Jerusalem boils down to Yaweh vs. Allah. So yes, all monotheistic gods are the same, but only in theory .... but then again, they have to be. After all, how many different ways could there be to create the world?

but it's obviously much easier for us to talk about this, since we gamers tend to be a more Liberal bunch. :) I also notice that gamers tend to be more likely to be agnostic, which means that we argue from the standpoint of theory, rather than personal convictions. Which is good and bad, I suppose.

[defy136]

i thought that scarlet witch was catholic too?

[spanishyoda]

Well Jean in response to what you said about Alla/Yaweh/God it does boil down to the fact that fundamently Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God. All three base their faith in the God of Abraham. However, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael, the son of Abraham and his handmaiden Hagar, who was the rightful heir to the covenant of God and Abraham, whereas Jews and Christians believe that it was Isaac, the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah. Christians differ from the Jews in that they believe that God manifested himself on Earth as his Son Jesus, while the Jews still await the Messiah. Of course the three different faiths and thier numerous sects and denominations believe different things about God/Allah/Yaweh and how He has interacted with us throught out time.

As for the Crusades they were more about politcal power, and who controlled the rights to the Holy Land, and I think it's safe to say that the crusades ahave never really ended, for that region is still in conflict. But that happens when three different groups have different ideas about the same God.

As for the Asagardians, in the Official handbook of the Marvel Universe they are listed under Alien Races (as they are anyother time they are listed catogorically), The Earth X trilogy just took this little known fact andexpanded on it. Here's a helpull lin on the Asgardians
http://marvelbook.topcities.com/races/asgard.htm

And I'm not sure I agree with your theory on agnostics arguing strictly from theory is correct. Believing in nothing is still a belief and I have seen many an agnostic and athist throw fact and thory out the window for their belief in nothing or their belief in indecision;)
People are people no matter what faith or lack thereoff and are just as willing to become fanatical if they believe strongly enough in something.... or nothing .

[Redwolf]

At one time( In the early 80's late 70's) the Scarlet Witch left with Agatha Harkness to learn witchcraft/wiccan. Now another problem
with trying to put most Comic characters and how they believe into their history is because writers who have strong beliefs at times whether good or bad show this in their writing. An example of this was Peter David dealing with abortion and The Hulks non committal stance started such a stir with readers both positive and negative. But if a writer on the Hulk later decides to take a stand one way or the other and relates that through the Hulk well than the Hulk represents the new stance. Denny O'Neil did this very well with the Question even giving readers a recommended non-comicbook read list.
Redwolf

[defy136]

I knew she had studied Wicca, but the last time i read a comic with her in it, i could have sworn she had a rosary, (which is a catholic item of faith)

[overkill]

There's a difference though, between the way Thor and the Asgardians define themselves as gods and how God is defined as a god. Odin himself prays to God, and they both have said that they are as nothing compared to 'the one to whom every knee must bend and whose radiance outshines us all".

As to his statement to the priest in 'Whatever gods there be', not to mention his words regarding the CONVENT (yes, I know it's a convent, simply chose the wrong word) not to mention his words to the little boy in 'Across All Worlds', I'd say that there's a pretty good shot that he at least believes to some degree in the Catholic faith, even if he himself is not a Catholic.

And really I'd think that Doom is a Christian. Most kings in his region are, and Doom is a classic example of a king in that region, at least in the non-superhuman aspects. As the king of his people he sets the example for them, and nearly every king worships at the state-approved official religion for their country, whatever their personal beliefs. Given that Doom is a man of great passions and (in his own mind at least) morals, I'd say it's much more likely for him to be Christian than not. Catholic? I don't know, but it wouldn't exactly be out of the question.

I was surprised to learn that the Thing was Jewish, but then again I shouldn't be surprised if there weren't a lot more Jewish characters (and that's a good thing). After all, Lee and Kirby (and many other prominent comic creators) are or were Jewish.

Just my .02,
Rick

[Hippie_Rob]

Spider-man is the ultimate Catholic. He fights against the forces of evil because he is trying to make up for his original sin of letting the burglar go that killed Uncle Ben

[SpinnerLover]

Isn't Magdelena Catholic?

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by SpinnerLover
Isn't Magdelena Catholic?

Magdalena is not only Catholic, but she's a nun.

[freakazoid_x]

I always believed that Spidey was Jewish. He sort of talks like those old Jewish guys you often see in the park playing Chess. However that could just be a NYC thing, I never picked it up when I lived there. So I doubt it. However thinking about it more and more, I have seen him celebrate Christmas. So I dunno.

[Jean_genie]

Christmas is a lot like Saint Patrick's Day, in that most people celebrate it for the celebration itself, and not so much for its meaning. Not to say that there aren't lots of peple that celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th, but there are undoubtedly lots more who celebrate the giving of gifts, and the racking up of credit card debt.

Although somebody had best point out to some of the people on this board that just because someone believes in God and Jesus, that does not make them Catholic. that makes them Christian; there is obviously a difference. Expecially beause most all born-again Protestants I know hate Catholics almost as much as they hate Muslims. I think it's a language barrier thing ;)

[JacinB]

Originally posted by Billy Jack
I'd go with supes being a methodist or unitarian, chris reeves is a practicing unitarian so it's a good bet dc headded that way.

Actually, I'd say that Superman is most likely either Baptist, Methodist or non-Denominational Protestant. The reason being, that is what you'll most likely find when you look for a church in a small Kansas town.

You won't find Unitarian churches except in the larger cities (ie: Topeka, Lawrence, Wichita, Kansas City ... and that's pretty much it). Being raised in a smaller town like Dodge City or Garden City or even Abilene or Liberal, you'd be hard-pressed to find a Unitarian Universalist church anywhere.

I'm from Kansas, and I've been to most of the towns of which I speak and spent a lot of time in the smaller farming communities that Superman would have come from.

Trust me, despite his occasional mentions of the Kryptonian god Rao (whose name he will take 'in vain', but never will he use 'Jesus' or 'God' in that manner), he'd've been a Protestant Christian not a Unitarian ...

[Gargantua]

And really I'd think that Doom is a Christian. Most kings in his region are, and Doom is a classic example of a king in that region, at least in the non-superhuman aspects. As the king of his people he sets the example for them, and nearly every king worships at the state-approved official religion for their country, whatever their personal beliefs. Given that Doom is a man of great passions and (in his own mind at least) morals, I'd say it's much more likely for him to be Christian than not. Catholic? I don't know, but it wouldn't exactly be out of the question.

While Doom may have been exposed to Christianity as a child, I doubt he is currently a practicing anything other than megalomaniac. There are a lot of people who were raised Christian who have converted to another faith or become atheists or agnostics. Doom would doubtless consider faith in anything except his own power beneath him.

[Agent Less]

Doom's a Gypsy. So he's whatever....Gypsies are.

Yes.

[thornnspear]

Wow! I started this thread so long ago - surprised its still kicking (and hasn't fallen apart either)

Few things though:

The concept of "original sin" is not that one's personal sin comes back to haunt you, but that sin entered the world through the choice of our first parents.

Magdelena - Wow, cool. A Sister of Battle for Clix! (wink wink for WH 40k players.....)

Allah/God/Jehovah - actually the Koran (forgive me if this is the incorrect spelling) has a passage that, to paraphrase, states that one will encounter other faiths that worship one God, but by a different name. The worshiper of Allah is instructed to adopt the attitude that "You worship your God and call him X, I call him Allah, but we worship the same One." Neat, don't you think? Islam is supposed to be one of the most tolerant religions (by the book) but in the sad case of our broken world the few humans making bad decisions can cause problems for the rest of those who follow their faith (be they Al-Quaida or pedophiles in the priesthood)

I am really pleased that this discussion has been so open and non-accusatory. Thanks everyone for staying sane. :)

Although this is a clix discussion board, (kudos, btw, for staying on topic too!) if anyone does want to continue a faith/spirituality/religious discussion my AIM ID is WildReelin and my email is rage@dyinglight. I am a freelance writer trying to work on some books on interfaith dialogue, and other viewpoints are very helpful (even critical).

BTW, anyone know if Elektra is perhaps Greek Orthodox? I would include her as "catholic" even if she's not Roman rite.

[thugit]

Glad someone pointed out the "original sin" thing. Thornnspear, I'm a Philosophy and World Religions Major, so email me sometime and we can talk....I warn you that I'm VERY opinionated, though.