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donnie
06/05/2003, 17:38
who would wid plas or mr.fantastic

OmegaMan
06/05/2003, 17:48
Been there. Played that.
In the game: Plastic Man.

In the Comics: Plastic man. He can shape himself into anything. Truly one of the FEW characters worthy of having Perplex. He looks insane!

Braden
06/05/2003, 17:49
Mr. Fantastic in both cases.
Better range and invulnerbility and outwit. Plus in the comics he is too smart to lose

Braden
06/05/2003, 17:51
On a vet vs vet basis platic man has one click where he can hit Mr. Fantastic. He has a range of 4 vs. a range of 8. Mr. F would have to roll pretty ####py to lose this match.

Valandar
06/05/2003, 17:59
In the comics, Plas has the advantage of powers: Plas can become rigid, and is much stronger than Reed.

In the comics, Reed has the advantage of smarts and support (the FF is far more likely to rush to Reed's aid than the JLA is to go help Plas).

In Clix, Reed should NOT have Invulnerability. The most resilience he has ever shown has been against small arms fire. Impacts like hand grenades, which the Thing and She-Hulk shrug off, for example, he does withstand... but it knocks him out...

ONE-ARM
06/05/2003, 18:24
BAh Fantastic would own him in the comics, He's the smartest man in the marvel universe. Plastic man is nothing but a goofball.

Briel
06/06/2003, 00:13
I'm an FF fan, but facts are facts.

Reed Richards is smarter, but stripped down in the field ( there's a disturbing image), Plastic Man is far more powerful.

Jervis_Tetch
06/06/2003, 03:35
As an avid reader of Fantastic Four for many many years Im gonna reply to almost everythin here....in the game, Mr. Fantastic would take it all the way....same goes for the comics too. I 100% agree Reed is way too smart to lose to someone like Plastic Man, and although he seems weak most of the time, Reed can actually beat Doom one on one which im sure Plastic couldn't. I'll get that issue for reference if anyone likes...and Reed can make his body just as rigid as plastic as well, i've seen him turn his fists into maces many many times...giant hammers too....and i know most disagree, but I think Reed deserves Inv. on his clix piece, I have issues where he withstands a ton more than small firearms and doesnt get KOed, May's issue of FF shows the Thing belting Reed and he withstands it all, and considerin the punch was aimed at Doom, I'm sure it was a pretty heavy swing....it may seem im being biased here, but really I'm not, there's no way Plastic could take out Reed Richards in any way.....not Elongated Man either :) Hell, my favourite villain of all time is Jervis Tetch, and I know he can't do squat most of the time, but just cause I like him i ain't ever gonna say it'd be a close match one on one between him and Bane....that's enough ranting for now methinks

Briel
06/06/2003, 13:30
I believe you are thinking of the all time classic FF #200, for the Doom/Richards fight.

starr226
06/08/2003, 13:15
check it dark knight strikes again for an interesting take on Plastic Man...and then think about it again...

KaiserSelroc
06/08/2003, 13:25
I think Plasticman would win. Reed has limits as to how far he can stretch, Plastic doesn't. Plastic has in the past used his body to lasso the moon! All he'd have to do is wrap his pinky around Reed's entire body and suffocate him. If given time to prepare, I'm sure Reed would invent a gadget that would nutralize Plastic's powers, if not outright kill him. But not in a straight one on one brawl

GoldenAge
06/09/2003, 15:21
This is an interesting battle because intangibles would determine the outcome.

Reed ability to stretch is far inferior to Plastic Man's. Add to that the diversity of shapes that Plastic Man can achieve and he comes out on top in the raw power category. This, however is just a top-level look at the two and by no means the determining factor in ether’s victory.

What you really have going on here is an epic battle of nature and entropy – Law vs. Chaos!!!

This battle has depth that the average comic book reader would miss, summarily dismissing this as a giant rubber-band contest. Bah, this is the end-all of battles!!! ;)

On the one hand you have Plastic Man:

True he's immortal but the real intrigue lies in what has been speculated and said in whispers by other superheroes.

We know that Plas can assume any shape imaginable. What people forget is that when assuming a shape Plas also exhibits the powers of said shape. For instance...

We have all seen Plas pop into the form of a hot air balloon or an automobile. Where, then does he get the propellants for such vehicles? How is it possible for him to operate as said objects? How about the times he's assumed the shape of a rocket to jet across the skyline? Could he "arm" himself if he wanted? Lately (JLA) he's assumed the form of a big, muscular guy when going into combat. When doing so he has super strength.

The fact is that Plas's power goes far beyond stretching. It’s almost on par with Molecule Man or Impossible Man (minus the “pop”). While MM can alter reality around him with but a whim, Plas can alter himself with a whim. The only limiting factor to his power is his own imagination (and a slight case of insanity).

When you start to think of the possibilities (as Batman has) it kinda sends a chill down your spine.

Batman said it best:

"Immeasurably powerful. Absolutely nuts."

Or

"Dibney (Elongated Man) doesn't stand a chance...
Not against Him...
He could kill us all, for Him it'd be easy...
He could kill us all.
.
.
.
It'd be easy"

Plastic man is a force of nature, Chaos in all its benign countenance. Should this chaos go unchecked by Eel O’Brian’s natural good disposition and propensity for comic relief… ah, me… there’s no telling what he could do.


On the other hand you have the genius of Reed Richards, an elemental force of Law and Order. His entire aspect is based on the scientific explanation of the unexplainable. He has mastered chaos itself in the creation of stabilized unstable molecules, he has discovered new regions of inner and outer space, and he has defended the order of the galaxy even though it meant defending the greatest known force of entropy – Galactus.

His scientific mind is unparalleled. If there is a way to decipher the lunacy of Plastic Man Reed Richards could find it… but is there a way? And how much time would it take… too much?

A head-to-head fight between these two would be fun to watch. If written properly it could be epic. The outcome is anyone’s guess.

kronofear
06/09/2003, 15:31
Plasticman's a goof, and so were most of his writers. I mean come on LASSO the moon? Transform into a jetplane or a car. Thats beyond silly, thats just.....resisting urge to get warning. Anyway, Reed is smarter, not some comic relief character, and has had infinately better writers. Therefore...reed all the way. Moon lasso or not Mr F would just zap his @$$ to the Negative Zone. Besides Plastic Man is pink.

Braden
06/09/2003, 15:35
I still want to see a flying plastic man jet plane. It would rock.

phantom1592
06/09/2003, 16:42
My favorite Mr. Fantastic fight was against his doppleganger int he Infinity war Crossover. AWSOME fight between two Strecthos. Showed me I had always underestimated what he can do. He's more than just grabbing test tubes on teh far wall

Don't have the issue number but I'm sure one of the FF fans can fill this in.

as for a fight i think I would have to go Plastic man for the first fight and then Mr. F for the rest. You couldn't "accidentally" kill Reed and Plas wouldn't do it intentionally. Then Reed would design something to stop/contain him

CosmicBeing
06/09/2003, 16:52
Mr. Fantastic would win.

1. He's smarter, I know Plastic man is smart but Reed's intelligence is acknowledged by the supreme beings of the universe.

2. He's tougher. Several occasions he has held his shape in the vaccum of space. Plus in contest of champions 2 he duked it out with the Hulk and didn't get hurt at all (just sufficated)

3. He's stronger. In the Onslaught series he was so mad that he actually expanded his muscles and made himself about as strong as the Thing. Not for long I'm sure but still impressive.

GoldenAge
06/09/2003, 17:11
QUOTE]Originally posted by kronofear
Plasticman's a goof, and so were most of his writers. I mean come on LASSO the moon? Transform into a jetplane or a car. Thats beyond silly, thats just.....resisting urge to get warning. Anyway, Reed is smarter, not some comic relief character, and has had infinately better writers. Therefore...reed all the way. Moon lasso or not Mr F would just zap his @$$ to the Negative Zone. Besides Plastic Man is pink. [/QUOTE]

Hey, if you're going to make fun of a comic book icon like Plas don't forget to add his goofy sidekick Woozy Winks. Dang, it's guys like you, ignorant of the comic book industry beyond the present day carp out there, that make me sad. Besides Plastic Man has a RED costume.

Let’s understand one thing Plastic Man predates almost EVERY other contemporary superhero. His inclusion into the elite pantheon of powered people is paramount. Let me help you understand Eel, or at least his literary history, just a little bit:

Created in August of 1941 by Jack Cole, a hall of fame comic creator, Plastic Man began as an insert in Police Comics, a monthly anthology published by Quality Comics. By 1943 he had his own book. Cole’s style revolutionized comics and Plastic Man became an icon in the industry.

It would take up too much time to tell you everything on Plas here. Read the book “Jack Cole And Plastic Man: Forms Stretched To Their Limits” by Spiegrlman and Kidd or check out this site for a quick read on Plastic Man:
http://www.quarterbin.net/profiles/pro53.html

“Indeed, if comics has no place for the fantastic, for the wild, and the absurd, it would do well to abandon the medium to a series of photographs of real events, perhaps adorned with captions rendered from recorded transcripts of the proceedings.”

Sorry if I flamed a bit but this stuff is really important if you have any interest in this medium.

Knowledge is power! (Maybe that’s why Reed stands a chance)

GoldenAge
06/09/2003, 18:07
The above post, though primarily about Plastic Man, is intended to take nothing away from Mr. Fantastic or his supporters.

EvilGenius
06/09/2003, 18:15
Originally posted by GoldenAge
Let’s understand one thing Plastic Man predates almost EVERY other contemporary superhero. His inclusion into the elite pantheon of powered people is paramount. Let me help you understand Eel, or at least his literary history, just a little bit:[/B]

First, I commend you on your knowledge of the medium of comic books.

Second, come on. Most contemporary writers treat Plastic Man pretty shabbily. And in the final analysis, a superheroes power level is determined by one thing only: the writer.

Plastic Man vs Mr Fantastic would be determined by the creativity of the writers. It could come out any darn way they wanted it to. We, the readers and fans, might disagree, but that's the way it is.

When looking at the totality of either characters history, you can find numerous examples of their respective "awesome power levels".

But at the last, it depends on what makes the better story.

(oh, and, um, Plastic Man would totally win!!) ;)

GoldenAge
06/09/2003, 18:28
Most contemporary writers treat Plastic Man pretty shabbily

I totally agree. But in their defense Plas is one hard nut to crack. Many writers today are falling short of the potential of their subject matter. Add to that the modern day trend towards reality in comics and you end up with a big plastic problem.

Plastic Man is a character based on insider jokes and the levity associated with a reality where incomprehensible superheroes reign supreme. How on earth can we hope a comic book writer (many who don't even conduct in-depth research on their subject matter) to handle Plastic Man in today’s market. Truly, it is a credit to this rubbery, red reprobate that he is even included in today’s books.

darius_dax1
06/09/2003, 18:34
I think that Grant Morrison handled Plastic Man the best in the last few years. Golden Age, you do have a great amount of knowledge of comic books. It surpasses my own and I know a lot about the history.

GoldenAge
06/09/2003, 19:36
Thanks darius_dax1, but I must admit that I own a mid-sized general bookstore. My knowledge extends as far as I can research.

Actually, I have a bad memory for specifics but a good memory for generalities. So, suddenly I remember something like "Oh, wasn't Plastic Man made back in the 40's and written by some one important in the industry" and then I do a little research (so as not to sound like an idiot on realms - or more of an idiot anyway) and post away! (okay I know a little more than that, but you get the gist)

I'm impassioned about the comic book medium. I'm an educated (2d) artist with years (read: 7) of university training under my belt and many years of professional painting, illustration and commercial work in my portfolio. It all started with comic books. I'm indebted to the little 4-color rags and I'd like to think I'm giving something back now and again.

BigSoph
06/09/2003, 21:03
Reed can stretch and talk the ears off Galactus. He is also quite distractable. (How many times has he basically ignored his family and friends to do research?)

Plastic Man is FAR MORE PHYSICALLY POWERFUL. He turned into a giant mixer set, a giant toilet bowl, cars, jets, women.

The only limit he has is that he is completely insane

Think of a contest of wits betwen Steven Hawkings and Robin Williams. Yes Hawkings is smarter and can come up with theories for everything but Williams would talk him up and down, leaving Hawkings wondering which end was up.

Richards is a genius but he is not CLEVER.

Regardless, frickin' Marvel fans, every Marvel character is more powerful seems to be your mantra.

You are worse than cat owners!

Natt the Hat
06/09/2003, 21:17
There's something to be said for the comic book characters who are not super geniuses to the nth power. Remember in DC One Million #3, when things looked so helpless for the world in this era and the universe in the 853rd Century. It was the Huntress, who surrounded by the greatest and most powerful minds, came up with the plan to defeat Solaris. Without spoiling the story line for those who didn't read it, the plan was so simple the super geniuses didn't think of it.

Braden
06/09/2003, 21:22
Hmm. I would have to say that Reed is clever. He did trick galactus.........

Not saying he could beat everyone in the DC universe, in general DC heros are more powerful (ability wise) than Marvel.

Djangomank2k
06/09/2003, 21:24
No matter how silly someone thinks plastic mans powers are, theyre very real. You say that it is a joke that plastic man can lasso the moon, but have no problem with galactus devouring a planet. The fact is galactus can, and so can plastic man. he can quite literally do anything he wants to with his body. thats just the way it is. he might look silly, but thats part of the allure. All that power in a man like that. Just like Molecule Man, a little schmuck with the powers of gods.

So, on a power scale, plastic man leaves reed in the dust. so we need a scenario to determine the winner. If these 2 just happen to bump inot each other in a dark alley, reeds toast. If reed has time to prepare, im sure he could find something. So I say plastic man under most circumstances. Even batman says hes a bad@$$. "Immeasureably powerful. Absolutely insane." If you cant trust batman, who can you trust?

darius_dax1
06/09/2003, 21:28
Golden Age,
My experience comes from being a fan of the medium for 27 years and wanting to know more than Superman is from Krypton. I worked in a comic book store for around seven years and had many interesting talks with customers and comic's professionals. I actually wrote papers in english and psychology regarding comic books and almost did the same in history while I was in college.

I have actually held some of those Police Comics in my hands! As well as Military Comics, The Green Llama, and many other Golden Age era Books. I own several (around 25-35) Adventures of Captain Marvel, Whiz Comics, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. (see the link?) comics. Some are in good condition some are coverless. My prized posession is Adventures of Captain Marvel #2, while the cover is detached it is still fun to have.

GoldenAge
06/10/2003, 14:41
AWESOME darius! (I think we've had similar comic/gaming past - I recall the PM's we exchanged last year.)

That old stuff is the foundation of comics today. Without those stories today's comic book cardhouse would crumble.

By the way... Plastic Man!

What scenario would it take for Reed to win? I realize it's possible, I'm just having trouble thinking of a way for him to succeed.

Okay, a super molecule-freezing ray gun. Duh, that's too simple. Let me rephrase...

What would be a cool and clever scenario where Reed could defeat Plastic man? This scenario should definately leave the reader with a "wow".

Hadez
06/10/2003, 14:58
Originally posted by darius_dax1
Golden Age,
My experience comes from being a fan of the medium for 27 years and wanting to know more than Superman is from Krypton.

HOLY ####!!!! SUPERMAN IS REALLY FROM KRYPTON??????!!!!!!!!

Wow. The truth strikes me hard once again.


About Plastic VS Fantastic:

I am a Marvel fan first and foremost.

Plasticman is Powerfull and ommnipotent and Reed is a Intelligent SuperGenius (Er......kinda redundant)

Plastic Man can defeat Reed Physically.
Reed could leave the jokester babling alone if we're talking Smart-talk


But the true answer it's the same as the one posed when you say who would win between Batman & Captain America, GL & Silver Surfer, Spider-Man & Superboy, Superman & Thor and many MANY others:

No one.

Neither Marvel nor DC would risk their characters for a fight like this and would only give them if the fans decided (DC VS MArvel anyone?) and DC and Marvel both have NUMEROUS fans that after a battle would ramble about how thier character should have won.

But Clix talkin: Mr. Fantastic takes the cake!
:p

Braden
06/10/2003, 15:03
Actually they did have a big series of fights where the fans chose the winners (Batman beat Captain America) and even some where the fans did not choose the winners.

EvilGenius
06/10/2003, 15:21
Originally posted by GoldenAge
What would be a cool and clever scenario where Reed could defeat Plastic man? This scenario should definately leave the reader with a "wow".

Well, I don't think I can come up with a specific scenario (which is a bit beyond me while i'm at work), but here are some things that could factor into Reeds victory.

Strategy/Tactics: If you give the smartest man in the universe time to prepare and some accurate information to work with, he can out-think and out-plan you every time. If Reed knew he had to stop Plas, and knew what Plas could do, then out come the super-science gizmos and widgets. Reed would choose the time and place of confrontation and make sure that his foe's options were limited and unfavorable. And then Reed would most likely win.

I say most likely because, as has been pointed out, Plastic Man is crazy. And that makes him unpredicatable, in both his actions and his powers. He could very well choose options that Reed would not have considered likely.

GoldenAge
06/10/2003, 15:43
I say most likely because, as has been pointed out, Plastic Man is crazy. And that makes him unpredicatable, in both his actions and his powers. He could very well choose options that Reed would not have considered likely.

Great point. It would be awesome to see Reed trying to get into the mind of insanity. Reed would have step into the shoes of the mad man in order to truly understand his motivations and to predict his next action. Would Reed get lost in his own sympathetic mania? Would Plastic Man end up having to save Reed from insanity, or perhaps the world from Reed??????? :eek:

Fat Ninja
06/10/2003, 18:15
Hi there.

Just wanted to say bravo on this post. I would've done so in the thread but there were so many subsequent posts I thought it quicker to go direct.

Fantasic work. Here's me clicking yet another link to yet another thread about yet another x vs y arguement, expecting the usually ignorant ranting and blind irrational defence of one's favorite character. And I get this. Awesome. It's good to know that there are smart, funny intelligent people making smart, funny intelligent points on these things - I was beginning to let the 'my guy would win cos he rocks, man' proliferation irritate me. You just cured it. Thanks, man. Keep up the good work.

:)

Originally posted by GoldenAge
This is an interesting battle because intangibles would determine the outcome.

Reed ability to stretch is far inferior to Plastic Man's. Add to that the diversity of shapes that Plastic Man can achieve and he comes out on top in the raw power category. This, however is just a top-level look at the two and by no means the determining factor in ether’s victory.

What you really have going on here is an epic battle of nature and entropy – Law vs. Chaos!!!

This battle has depth that the average comic book reader would miss, summarily dismissing this as a giant rubber-band contest. Bah, this is the end-all of battles!!! ;)

On the one hand you have Plastic Man:

True he's immortal but the real intrigue lies in what has been speculated and said in whispers by other superheroes.

We know that Plas can assume any shape imaginable. What people forget is that when assuming a shape Plas also exhibits the powers of said shape. For instance...

We have all seen Plas pop into the form of a hot air balloon or an automobile. Where, then does he get the propellants for such vehicles? How is it possible for him to operate as said objects? How about the times he's assumed the shape of a rocket to jet across the skyline? Could he "arm" himself if he wanted? Lately (JLA) he's assumed the form of a big, muscular guy when going into combat. When doing so he has super strength.

The fact is that Plas's power goes far beyond stretching. It’s almost on par with Molecule Man or Impossible Man (minus the “pop”). While MM can alter reality around him with but a whim, Plas can alter himself with a whim. The only limiting factor to his power is his own imagination (and a slight case of insanity).

When you start to think of the possibilities (as Batman has) it kinda sends a chill down your spine.

Batman said it best:

"Immeasurably powerful. Absolutely nuts."

Or

"Dibney (Elongated Man) doesn't stand a chance...
Not against Him...
He could kill us all, for Him it'd be easy...
He could kill us all.
.
.
.
It'd be easy"

Plastic man is a force of nature, Chaos in all its benign countenance. Should this chaos go unchecked by Eel O’Brian’s natural good disposition and propensity for comic relief… ah, me… there’s no telling what he could do.


On the other hand you have the genius of Reed Richards, an elemental force of Law and Order. His entire aspect is based on the scientific explanation of the unexplainable. He has mastered chaos itself in the creation of stabilized unstable molecules, he has discovered new regions of inner and outer space, and he has defended the order of the galaxy even though it meant defending the greatest known force of entropy – Galactus.

His scientific mind is unparalleled. If there is a way to decipher the lunacy of Plastic Man Reed Richards could find it… but is there a way? And how much time would it take… too much?

A head-to-head fight between these two would be fun to watch. If written properly it could be epic. The outcome is anyone’s guess.

The Sandman
06/11/2003, 10:32
Why is everyone under the impression that Plastic Man is insane? That was only in the Dark Knight books. He was released by Batman who made those quotes. In regular continuity, he is goofy, powerful, and suffering basically from the same thing Iceman of the X-Men is suffering from, lack of understanding, confidence, low self esteem, etc to make use of his power.

As to who would win, I agree with several of you, Plaz in an impromptu confrontation, Mr. F in a planned (unless Batman is directing Plaz by radio) :laugh:

postumo
06/11/2003, 11:28
EMM to those who are tolking about the clix... Remember that vetaran Reed Richards costs about 50 points more that the plastic does. So... i think it's a bit strange to try to compare both clix.
Anyway, i find Mr. Fantastic useless in all his versiones 'cause he is too expensive for what he does
Plastic man is far cheaper so, even not having too much use, you can still play him.

donnie
06/11/2003, 12:57
i think
plas would win

GoldenAge
06/12/2003, 18:08
bravo on this post

Thanks Fat Ninja. I love this stuff. I find it hard to believe that not everyone is stretching (hehe) their creative muscles when they think about this match-up.

proditor
06/12/2003, 18:29
Speaking of stretching one's creative muscles....someone earlier mentioned Reed trying to get into Plastic Man's mindset and that reminded me of the Earth X panel when he stretched his brain so that he could use Cerebro...

All that said, I had a long moment after I considered truly HOW powerful Plastic Man is...it was pretty sobering. Reed has done some cool stuff, and I agree that the true splendour of a character can only be realized through the writer, but in the early JLA run, there were a lot of really really subtle hints that he doesn't just stretch. The Superstrength, the motive force when he becomes a vehicle...and then there is the whole immortality thing.

Yikes. I think if they ever had someone write the "Plastic Man has enough" mini series, you'd be seeing someone that in clix form would be tipping the scales at 200 or so odd points.

GoldenAge
06/13/2003, 15:32
...tipping the scales at 200 or so odd points.
You're right, but I don't know if that's a good thing. Sure Plastic Man is one of those figs that didn't get the correct consideration from the Wizkids creative team (he's not alone). But a 200 point Plas wouldn't help HeroClix.

Characters like Plas are very important to comics in general. They are the folks that make light when things are at their worst, that allow you a nervous chuckle when times are darkest.
That was the problem with the X-Men. All work and no play (okay, the baseball and basket-ball issues were fun - but I'm talking about character disposition here). The Beast was an awesome partner to guys like Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Thor and Black Panther in the Avengers. His one-liners were legendary. But his scientific side took over in X-Men and he lost his frivolity. Thus we were given Jubalee. She doesn't quite cut the mustard as a comedic peanut gallery though. Her comments come off as inane or immature. SO... we get Morph during the Age of Apocolipse. A DIRECT RIP-OFF OF PLASTIC MAN!!! But he did serve a purpose as a great counter to the ferocity of Sabertooth and the overall bleakness of the story line. "If I'm gonna go out, I'm goin with a smile on my face!"

:laugh:

CarlosMucha
06/13/2003, 15:38
Oh man!!! you can be seriuos?
I remmember Plasticman sinse the early 1980, he was funny but a "rockie" (no for new, rockie beacause he is funny)

Plasticman in the '80 cant change shape like now, he only was like Elonganted Man.
But come on! Reed Is Mister Fantastic. The Lider of the FF. He can make a figh versus Galactus!, be serious.

GoldenAge
06/13/2003, 15:52
QUOTE]Plasticman in the '80 cant change shape like now, he only was like Elonganted Man.[/QUOTE]

Carlos my friend, this is a truly inaccurate statement. Not only that but if your knowledge starts in the 80's than you're missing 40 + years of Plastic Man history (more than many contemporary characters have today).

As for the love that you send Reed... good point. He has the respect of everyone everywhere. The respect, that is, for his intellect, not his power. Galactus scanned his mind and falsely thought that he was carrying the Ultimate Nullifier, and left. Reed fooled him. Galactus was predictable and Reed clever.

Plastic Man is not predictable, except, perhaps, in his unpredictability. Maybe that's how Reed wins the day. Perhaps he applies the chaos theory to his plastic predicament and postulates a pedantic paradox... but probably not.
;)

donnie
06/15/2003, 21:54
I dont care who would win plas is cooler then reed!

GoldenAge
06/16/2003, 15:54
Ah, poor, poor donnie,

If you don't care, why start the post??? :ermm:

IceHot
06/16/2003, 16:29
I wouldnt suggest Plas is anywhere on Mr. Fannys intellectual level. However, If I am correct Plas is no mental slouch. He used to be a detective didn't he. I wouldn't know for sure, but I'm guessing he had more brains then Hong-Kong Phooey. Also I thought I had a comic where the All Star Squadron (JSA) was formed / re-formed. In any case I thought plas was behind them reorganizing.

GoldenAge
06/16/2003, 16:43
You are correct. Plas is no dumb thug. Though he's no intellectual god like Richards or Wayne, he is quite an intelligent guy. He started out as a criminal, then, after receiving his powers, became a hero (in order to right the wrongs he had committed). Throughout his career he's come up with some pretty good examples of great detective work and hidden genius.

IceHot
06/16/2003, 16:56
Hey GA, thanks for the info.

Can u comment on any merrit to considering Plas as JSA (All Star Squadron)?

GoldenAge
06/16/2003, 17:14
Can u comment on any merrit to considering Plas as JSA (All Star Squadron)?
Though Plas was a Golden Ager he was never associated with the JSA.

JSA Roll Call
The 40's
The Atom
The Batman
Black Canary
Dr Fate
Dr Mid-nite
The Flash
Green Lantern
Hawkman
Hourman
Johnny Thunder
Mr Terrific
Red Tornado
Sandman
The Spectre
Starman
Superman
Wildcat
Wonder Woman

The 60's
Robin
Red Tornado II

The 70's
Power Girl
Star Spangled Kid
Huntress II
Guests
Thunderbolt
Sandy
Hawkgirl
Harlequin
Jesse Quick

The New JSA
Atom-Smasher
Black Canary II
Dr Fate IV
Dr Mid-nite II
The Flash
Green Lantern / Sentinel
Hawkgirl III
Hawkman
Hourman III
JJ Thunder
Mr Terrific II
Sand
Spectre II
Star Spangled Kid II
Starman VII
Wildcat
Wonder Woman

Check out these sites for more on the JSA:
http://www.geocities.com/graeme2020/jsaroll.htm
http://####################/originalvigilante/jsa1.htm

Good one with great info on the JSA:

http://www.cvalley.net/~canote/jsa.html