DC Cosmic Justice Sneak Peek - Cosmic Boy

[Draddog]

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<TR><TD COLSPAN="3" ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Name:</B> Cosmic Boy</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 043</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Cost:</B> 45</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> Legion of Superheroes</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 044</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Cost:</B> 61</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> Legion of Superheroes</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 045</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Cost:</B> 68</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> Legion of Superheroes</TD></TR>
</TABLE><P><B>Game Design Note/Play Tip</B><BR>One of the founders of the Legion of Super Heroes, Cosmic Boy is all about flight and Telekinesis. He’s a great support piece, with lots of Telekinesis to move his force-mates around and, if he’s around some objects, to attack with them. Given his freedom of movement and the consistency of his dial, he’s a great candidate to take advantage of the Legion of Super Heroes team ability by copying the Titans, Green Lantern, Mystics, or Police team abilities (or any other, for that matter). His Veteran version has a couple of clicks of Leadership to keep your force moving.</TD><TD><IMG SRC="/images/cosmicjustice/cj043.gif"></TD></TR></TABLE>

[Widdle Wade]

meh he looks great gonna be an awesome wild card piece

[perceptor666]

Looks cool:)

[WEAPON-XXX]

great fig and great sculpt. I see a lot of conversion potential.

[Widdle Wade]

cool got 1st post lol
ive noticed that seems to be important.... do i get a prize with that?

back to marvek boy, flying, TK and wild card for only 45 ptsw make this guy an awesome versitle taxi

altho while his costume is ok.. he just looks... well like a super hero loser
lol ah well
i know i iwll be using him
cheers

[Action_Jackson]

Woot! I'm one of the first posters. I don't know why this is supposed to be exciting.

I dread the Legion and Mystics crossovers.

[Colesy Kid]

He will be part of my team!

Bring on the Legion

[RayRayJ]

Looks like a good candidate to be da Nightwing a CJ, whereas if ya gots one, ya gonna have ta run im. I wants ta see dat dial now! Ova!

[TheLion]

I already have all three.

[Spidersense]

The stats posted in the Units section say no range. If Magneto has range, why not Cosmic Boy? Just a question.

[drgnoftyr]

it would be nice if he'd have some range to him oh well gonna be a nice limo service with gl on the team

[sudro2]

Originally posted by Spidersense
The stats posted in the Units section say no range. If Magneto has range, why not Cosmic Boy? Just a question.

That's a question I'd love to hear from the designers on. Magneto also has Energy Shield/Deflection, which would also be appropriate for Cos. I did a mod of Cosmic Boy a couple of months ago and used the rookie Magneto base.

I suppose the designers just didn't want to duplicate Magneto.

[Basil Elks]

Oooo, wow.

[TheLion]

Originally posted by sudro2
That's a question I'd love to hear from the designers on. Magneto also has Energy Shield/Deflection, which would also be appropriate for Cos. I did a mod of Cosmic Boy a couple of months ago and used the rookie Magneto base.

I suppose the designers just didn't want to duplicate Magneto.

That and they are probably trying to keep the cost of the figure to under 100 points to increase his flexibility.

WK most likely wants players to use multiple Legionnaires even though they are wildcards.

[Batman1983]

oh can you say DC LoSH/Mystics can put the hurt on Marvel now... Even w/ mediocre pieces.

[OmegaMan]

Pretty cool.
This guy makes the overpriced Phoenix absolete. I'm interested.
(By the way...how Wizkidz makes these generic superheroes interesting & fun to play is very impressive)

[spam01]

That's sweet! Looking forward to the legion....

[Speedy]

Great sculpt. As a Legion fan its great to see the founding three members represented in this expansion. We can always argue about the figure's stats, but I have to say that Wizkids did a great job on the Cosmic Justice expansion. It is actually a very diverse make-up of characters from the D.C. Universe. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us next time.

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by OmegaMan
Pretty cool.
This guy makes the overpriced Phoenix absolete. I'm interested.

Well, except for the fact that Phoenix has a range of 12, and Cosmic Boy's is 0.

[batfink]

This guy makes the overpriced Phoenix absolete.

No, Phoenix still has 12 range. She can TK 12 spaces or ,unlike CB, actually hit you. Not exactly obsolete.

[Nevest]

Looks like a cool figure.

Even though Phoenix has a range of 12 she can still only TK for 10 spaces. Just thought batfink might want to know that.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Speedy
I can't wait to see what they have in store for us next time.

Agreed. I just hope we don't have to wait as long for the next one as we had to wait betwee HT and CJ. DC is lagging WAY too far behind in number of characters!!!

At least all the teams have some representation now, and the Titans look to be playable.

Those Uniques are a tough lot. CJ Marquee & other sealed tourneys are going to be interesting.

M!

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by batfink
No, Phoenix still has 12 range. She can TK 12 spaces or ,unlike CB, actually hit you. Not exactly obsolete.

She can still only TK 10 spaces. TK isn't related to the printed range on the figure.

[Frontman]

Very cool. Awesome figure. Great idea on the stats and powers. While I do think he misses out on no range and no energy deflection, keeping some heroes simple makes them easier to fit into game plans. Try figuring out the "big 7" lineup for the JLA. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martain Manhunter. That's a team that practically has every super power known to man, and is expensive as all hell. Hard to find anyone willing to play a game at that scale.

Keeping the Legion characters simple might make it possible to field 5 to 7 Legion teammates at the same time.

PEACE!!!

Tim

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by Brigadier M
Those Uniques are a tough lot. CJ Marquee & other sealed tourneys are going to be interesting.

No kidding.

A: "I got Amazo!"
B: "I got Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman!"
C: "I got a rock."

[Batman1983]

I got Despero & Eclipso...

[sudro2]

Originally posted by TheLion
That and they are probably trying to keep the cost of the figure to under 100 points to increase his flexibility.

WK most likely wants players to use multiple Legionnaires even though they are wildcards.

Keep in mind, though, that the rookie Magneto is only 80 points. That's only 12 points more than the Vet Cos.

I've seen people argue that the Wildcard team abilities are expensive. I've noticed that their drawback (the need to have at least one other team ability on the board to make them useful) tends to restrict their cost.

[Spidersense]

Yes, there is a fine line between keeping costs down and being true to the character isnt there? I am glad the JLA has the powers on the clix that they do, but I am a little sad that I cant fit many on a 300 point team if I want mainstays like Superman and Batman. I dont have this problem with X-Men, Avengers or any Marvel team I want. So I think it is a good thing that they keep the cost down. I cant wait to field some Legion teams. The 3 they picked are probably in my top five.

[TheLion]

Originally posted by sudro2
Keep in mind, though, that the rookie Magneto is only 80 points. That's only 12 points more than the Vet Cos.

I've seen people argue that the Wildcard team abilities are expensive. I've noticed that their drawback (the need to have at least one other team ability on the board to make them useful) tends to restrict their cost.

Tue, but it's a trade off for flexibility. Since they made the Legionnaires wildcards, I'm glad that they are cheap enough to field together with room for some other team members for some versatility. It's all give and take.

[secretwarrior]

looks cool. Im glad he doesn't have all of magneto's powers. I mean, Magneto is stronger isn't he? I think COSBOY is very playable.

could someone updatet he stats in the units section please!

[TheLion]

Originally posted by Batman1983
I got Despero & Eclipso...

LOL!

I only paid a little more than the proce of 2 boosters (minus shipping) for the CB set along with a Lightening Lad - E (I know he's Live Wire now, but I'm Legion Old School :) )

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by scowlingone
No kidding.

A: "I got Amazo!"
B: "I got Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman!"
C: "I got a rock."

LOL!! Nice one.

I'm expecting option "c" on more than one occasion. But I'm going to keep trying to kick that football anyway.:)

M!

[Phantom]

That rookie is going to be nasty to deal with as a taxi.

[mrclarkjkent]

Way I see it. R GL taxi's some figs. Two being Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl. GL moves for 10. Cosmic Boy can copy that and move Saturn girl and the rest of the forces up or TK Saturn Girl up 10 spaces more. Now Saturn Girl perplexes her attack up to MC a heavy hitter or someone with range combat expert to fire at the medic on their team. And whala, your opponent has no medics anymore. Pure horror.

[CaptainMarvel]

I can see it now Cosmic Boy/mystics and an army of doom bots. HAHA! Those who strike shall be struck.

[Tylk]

RayJ should be taken out back and beaten senseless.
Cosmic Boy might be the next DC sets Nightwing?...
Alas my son, CB isn't close to Mr.Almostbestfigevermadesofar (Veteran anyways).
Range...hello? Maybe with the whole R Green Lantern to give 2 uber taxi's, but then over 150 points taken up in 2 guys that cant hit the blind side of a battleship without massive perplex help, or being beside the battleship....
Ah well, he is still Legion though and somehow it's alright *laugh*

[postumo]

i really like Cosmic Justice, but seriusly, we'll have to play mora than 400 points to have fun.
But don't worry, sometimes 400 points games take the same time than 300 or 200, 'cause both teams have stronger figures who can destroy themselves more quickly
Another option is not using medics, they sux (i can't figure out the JLA carryin' medics into combat)
The cosmic boy rocks, although you can only use it as a taxi and wild card, anyway, you need this kind of figures in your team.

[Veggiehater]

Cosmic Boy is cool and all, but I think more people will end up using Saturn Girl and Live Wire over him. They are cheaper after all... (well except for V Saturn Girl)

;)
VH

[thickvic]

Doesn't TK have a default range of 10? So in reality Cos has range, for TK, just not for normal damage attacks, but correct me if I'm wrong...

[mysterio_lives]

cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

hopefully soon, the entire R/E/V of this DC set is the same as a MARVEL R/E/V set filled with nothing but thugs, criminals, and shield troopers.

nothing worth getting excited over:confused:

[RayRayJ]

RayJ should be taken out back and beaten senseless.
Cosmic Boy might be the next DC sets Nightwing?.. - Tylk

Afta dat comment I ain't even want you speakin' mah name, ya knocka. I ain't sayin' he as tight as Nightwing. I said dat in the sense dat ballaz who be pullin' him be compelled ta use CB in sealed environments. He a boss-playa wild-card jigga wit TK. An if you sleepin' on him he can screw up whut you be runnin'. Maybe I went a lil' Bill Walton (NBA-headz know whut I'm talkin' about) an went ovaboard, but I think CB will be real solid. Ova!

[ducko5]

Cosmic Boy is GREAT!
All the Legionaires kick butt!

[hourman]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

hopefully soon, the entire R/E/V of this DC set is the same as a MARVEL R/E/V set filled with nothing but thugs, criminals, and shield troopers.

nothing worth getting excited over:confused:

Sigh..

[shin-goji]

Cosmic Boy, Matter Eater Lad...what is this...DC Comics or a weekend at the Michael Jackson Ranch?

[shin-goji]

Amazo is VERY worth getting excited over. This will be my Sentinel for the DC universe.

[Frontman]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

hopefully soon, the entire R/E/V of this DC set is the same as a MARVEL R/E/V set filled with nothing but thugs, criminals, and shield troopers.

nothing worth getting excited over:confused:

I AM THE WORLDS HEROCLIX CHAMPION!!!!

57-0 IN TOURNEY PLAY AND YOU CANT STOP ME!

NOW GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!!

*sigh is right*

I'd love to beat this snapper with all the guys who are nothing but thugs, criminals, and shield troopers known as Firestorm, Green Latern, and Wonder Woman. Not to mention the Legion, Green Arrow, Black Canary. Yep, nobody knows who those guys are. Heck, time to hop over to the thread about how Green Arrow is a better archer than Hawkeye.

PEACE!!!

Tim

[I_Blame_You]

Originally posted by OmegaMan
Pretty cool.
This guy makes the overpriced Phoenix absolete. I'm interested.
(By the way...how Wizkidz makes these generic superheroes interesting & fun to play is very impressive)

You and I must have differing definitions of generic...

[I_Blame_You]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

hopefully soon, the entire R/E/V of this DC set is the same as a MARVEL R/E/V set filled with nothing but thugs, criminals, and shield troopers.

nothing worth getting excited over:confused:

Serenity now.....serenity now...:rolleyes: ;)

[superfriend]

For pure point cost and wildcard team ability, R Livewire should replace R Doombot in mixed events. He's 6 points less (22).

And the R Parademon Scout (13) may replace the R Vulture (15).

V Green Lantern with 12 movement and phasing and the GL team is going to be insane! Taxiing a team halfway across the field...

V Wonder Woman with Charge/SuperStrength/Impervious/CloseCombat and numbers hight than Superman...

V Cheetah with Charge/10, BCF/11, SS/16, Battle Fury/2...63pts

V Starfire with RS/12, 10, toughness/15, RCE/2...88pts

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

The character Cosmic Boy has appeared nearly monthly in comics for longer than you have been alive, and quite possibly longer than your parents have been alive.

No-name? Biyotch, please.

[Mjolnir]

Cosmic Boy will add to your options...Cosmic Boy is a very strategic piece.... use him intelligently. He is not a beat stick. Superman, Son of Darkseid, is the beatstick.
Phoenix still has her uses(range?!?!?!?!) but I know Cosmic Boy will have a place on my teams as I combat the Ultron Cheese-monsters.
Ultron cheese, your days are numbered.:devious:

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives:
cosmic boy?!!? BAH, WHOEVER THAT IS!

tired of the "sneak peek" being filled with a bunch of no-names. when is the next MARVEL expansion due out????

a marvel zombie has uttered a formless howling something... it almost sounds like speech........perhaps remnants of the brain it once had, now degenerated into mush from mutant over-exposure??
Alas, yet another mind tossed away to join the legions....Perhaps this is where Darkseid gets his Parademon stock?? Or at least, the Mole Man.
:grin:

Go back to your 10 mutant titles and whine about how nobody understands you and you are just a misunderstood victim while ignoring your trollish ways.
We would like to discuss a fig that you need a brain to play with.
:)

[Joe Kerr]

If I use this guy, he's getting a custom figure on his dial. He looks very "silly."

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by scowlingone
The character Cosmic Boy has appeared nearly monthly in comics for longer than you have been alive, and quite possibly longer than your parents have been alive.

No-name? Biyotch, please.

I wouldn't get too worked up about this...

From the profile the person looks to be 33 very soon to 34...if he has even a PASSING familiarity with comics he'd know of Cosmic Boy...it's just a troll...don't feed it.

[Hack-n-slash]

C: "I got a rock."

Very punny.

[Superman_03]

Cosmic Boy...

This is supposed to be Heroclix...

.......where did they go wrong.......was it...uh...something WE did?:cross-eye

[MarkFinn]

Nice figure. Solid all around. I might actually have to play LSH...and I really hate the LSH...

[Frontman]

Originally posted by Superman_03
Cosmic Boy...

This is supposed to be Heroclix...

.......where did they go wrong.......was it...uh...something WE did?:cross-eye


Dude,

Cosmic Boy is complete Heroclix. Superheroes in a clix game. For all those nay-sayers dissin' the Legion, here's a few names of folks who worked on the book.

Jerry Siegel
Edmond Hamilton.
Cary Bates
Gerry Conway
Len Wein
Jim Starlin
Roy Thomas
Paul Levitz

And, oh yeah, some guy named Jim Shooter.

(For those Marvel Zombies who haven't started shaving yet, or else never read the "editor in chief" portion of a comic, he was one of the greats at Marvel as well.)

Sure, the names on some of the Legion's Heroes leave something to be desired, but the concept, and the characters are truly great comics. (Not to mention, if they all have Legion flight rings, all of the figures will fly.) Plus, a great super team ability in Heroclix, I'm sure a great many games of Heroclix will include members of the Legion of Super Heroes!

PEACE!!!

Tim

[Superman_03]

Jerry Siegel
Edmond Hamilton.
Cary Bates
Gerry Conway
Len Wein
Jim Starlin
Roy Thomas
Paul Levitz

And, oh yeah, some guy named Jim Shooter

Frontman-------


Who are these people compared with others such as Kevin Smith and Jim Lee? Legion is unqualified for greats like these working on their books. Legion v Batman any day...have to go with Batman, Or if K. Smiths Daredevil took them on...(in coolness of course)...we have another winner.

[Superman_03]

Not dissin the hard working editors, writers, and artist etc. Just dissin the Cosmic Lad.......er...Cosmic Boy. Does anyone really care anyway what the heck the guy's name is?:ermm: :laugh:

[Frontman]

Originally posted by Superman_03
Jerry Siegel
Edmond Hamilton.
Cary Bates
Gerry Conway
Len Wein
Jim Starlin
Roy Thomas
Paul Levitz

And, oh yeah, some guy named Jim Shooter

Frontman-------


Who are these people compared with others such as Kevin Smith and Jim Lee? Legion is unqualified for greats like these working on their books. Legion v Batman any day...have to go with Batman, Or if K. Smiths Daredevil took them on...(in coolness of course)...we have another winner.


To quote the great philosopher Rob Van Dam

"Dud

[MarkFinn]

Well, Tim, that's great and all, but I have read a smattering of some 30 years worth of Legion comics and I can say with authority that I never liked 'em. Not the way early stuff, not the middle-ground stuff in the seventies, definitely not the Giffen misfire in the 80's, and not even the 90's relaunch (although I liked that one better than the rest). Too much internal continuity, too much soap opera and too many characters for my taste. Although, for my sins, I seem to have a friend in every stage of my life who assures me that I "just haven't read the right Legion comics." I dutifully trudge through whatever stack they give me, and tell them they were okay, and it seems to make them feel better. But they never really caught on with me.

And hey, all you Marvel Zombies, before you think I'm defending you or something, do your homework and stop trolling. Mine is the informed opinion. I slogged through enough of that stuff to decide for myself, just as you should do. Frankly, for all of you old-school X-fans, there's WAY more soap opera in the Legion than in X-Men (which I'm told is what many X-fans really like). IF you're going to try any of it, try the restarted Legionaires series. Cheap to come by and better artwork from Chris Sprouse. These will hook you if anything will. Whatever you do, DON'T go back to the Legion Archives. They are only for the die-hard fans.

Okay, I'm done.

[Frontman]

Originally posted by Superman_03
Jerry Siegel
Edmond Hamilton.
Cary Bates
Gerry Conway
Len Wein
Jim Starlin
Roy Thomas
Paul Levitz

And, oh yeah, some guy named Jim Shooter

Frontman-------


Who are these people compared with others such as Kevin Smith and Jim Lee? Legion is unqualified for greats like these working on their books. Legion v Batman any day...have to go with Batman, Or if K. Smiths Daredevil took them on...(in coolness of course)...we have another winner.


To quote the great philosopher Rob Van Dam

"Dude, what have you been smoking?"

Um, without the first guy on the list, "Jerry Siegel" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

See, Mr. Siegel was one of two men who created the guy you use as your screen name there! Plus, without those guys, fellas like Jim Lee and Kevin Smith probably would off doing something other than working in comics. Kevin himself would be saying how those guys were the ones, along with fellas like Dennis O'Neil, Carmine Infantino, among others who paved the way for guys like him.

And, the current run on Batman, with Lee pencilling, is eye candy, nothing more. Loeb's worst work is the story he currently is telling with Batman.

Man, talk about not knowing your stuff.

Tim

[Superman_03]

Originally posted by Frontman


And, the current run on Batman, with Lee pencilling, is eye candy, nothing more. Loeb's worst work is the story he currently is telling with Batman.

Man, talk about not knowing your stuff.

Tim

Joe may have created the 'S', but he still didn't crank out what the modern day folks do. Early comics for Superman were goofy. He didn't even evolve until the 90's. The icon of the 'S' that I bare does not stand for Superman's creator. Creation's better than the creator in this case. I also seem to recal two people making Sups not just one. As for the Lee and Loeb comment........the sales on that book say it all. I seem to recall the word Sold Out HUSH #1. Eye candy is good eat'n.

[KidInTheHelmet]

Never read this book, but i think Cosmic boy is one of my must have pieces now.

[Cliff Stockton]

Not everyone will like every figure made into a Clix piece. I think we should all agree on that. There are plenty of figures, REV team affiliations, abilities and sculpts I could nit-pick all day and I don't even really play the game.

I feel that if they can include Marvel Ultimate and DC Elseworld versions then a character that's been around since the 60's and his teammates are fair game as well.

It doesn't matter who's come and gone in this business...all legends in their own right. Not everyone will agree on this either. I'm just glad that we have these characters and their funnybooks and that someone finally decided to make a game like this and "bring these characters to life", so to speak.

Now back to your irregularly scheduled program...

[Frontman]

Well said Cliff.

[Batman1983]

Originally posted by Superman_03
Joe may have created the 'S', but he still didn't crank out what the modern day folks do. Early comics for Superman were goofy. He didn't even evolve until the 90's. The icon of the 'S' that I bare does not stand for Superman's creator. Creation's better than the creator in this case. I also seem to recal two people making Sups not just one. As for the Lee and Loeb comment........the sales on that book say it all. I seem to recall the word Sold Out HUSH #1. Eye candy is good eat'n.

First off Jeph Loeb IS a great writer, but Hush IS NOT his best work.

As for early Superman being goofy & so Jerry Siegle is a no bit hack....

If I say Stan Lee isn't a good writer & his early X-men work is carp compared to Chris Claremont's or Jim Lee's work on the book, it doesn't change 2 things. 1) Stan 'the man' Lee still created the X-men. CC didn't create them, nor would he have ever written an Xmen comic if it weren't for Stan Lee. 2) Stan Lee was an Inovator & a brilliant creator of comics. Siegle was also an inovator & to judge the 90's superman as being better than a 60 year older superman that was written in a time when graphic violence & swearing didn't sell comic books is crazy. I'm sorry I've always thought superman was a lousy read 8 times out of 10, but give props where they're do. If it weren't for Jerry Siegle & a few others who you denounce as no names then we wouldn't have comic book superheroes, we wouldn't have clix, we wouldn't have this site to yell at eachother on. A world w/o Superman would truly be a worse place.

[Cliff Stockton]

Great point, Batman1983! Exactly! Where would we be?

Thanks, Frontman!

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Superman_03
Joe may have created the 'S', but he still didn't crank out what the modern day folks do.

Please, please do not talk about work ethics in modern creators, parTICularly Jim Lee and the rest of the image crew. Siegal and Shuster cranked out pages, hand over fist, as did most of the golden and silver age creators. In fact, the first Prima Donna in the industry was Neal Adams. He could be late because nobody looked like him. Everyone else was replaceable because there were four kids waiting in the wings who could draw just like veryone else. Playstation was the death of the Image guys. They couldn't draw 'cause they had gamer thumb.

Early comics for Superman were goofy. He didn't even evolve until the 90's.

How early? 50's? 60's? Actually, the first ten years of Superman were pretty lean and mean. And when he "evolved" in 1988...they dialed him back to a more golden age standard. All of the dorky powers went out the window. Super ventriloquism, indeed. But they weren't goofy in the forties. They were groundbreaking, because there was NOTHING like them at the time.

The icon of the 'S' that I bare does not stand for Superman's creator. Creation's better than the creator in this case. I also seem to recal two people making Sups not just one. As for the Lee and Loeb comment........the sales on that book say it all. I seem to recall the word Sold Out HUSH #1. Eye candy is good eat'n.

Sales don't mean anything. Pre-orders aren't an indicator of quality. Dark Knight 2 ring any bells?

[bizzaro]

I gotta chime in and say Dark Knight 2 sucked. Sooo disappointing.

As for Hush ... I can't say for sure until its done, but it doesn't APPEAR to be Loeb's best work by a longshot. I keep feeling like him and Lee came up with 10 or so villians they wanted to showcase, and just start .... oh oh ...Poison Ivy here ...next ...lets have Joker and Harley! Then Ra's Al Ghul. Don't get me wrong ... Lee's pencils have been spectacular, but the written has been VERY average. Loeb is capable of much more.

I've always really liked the character of Superman, but haven't read many stories that I really really liked. The only two "must reads" that I've seen so far, are:

-Kingdom Come
-Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? (by Alan Moore)

I'd love to hear any recommendations folks might have ....

When you think of Batman several immediately spring to mind such as Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Year One, Arkham Asylumn, etc......

[daredevil11]

Great, now Quasar has a clubbing partner. ;)

[bizzaro]

huh? You sure you posted to the correct thread ... perhaps you're a bit tired, eh? :p

[Mjolnir]

a very valid point about comparing different stles of comics through different era's. Even Spidermans stuff looks corny by today's standards....... X-men looks cheesey as well.
When was the last time the Saturn-men, who Donald Blake was trying to escape from and found the magic stick that allowed him to turn into Thor, were even mentioned in a comic? It's like saying contemporary art is much better than anything created before 10 years ago. everything that cam before is part of the process.
Angst wasn't really a part of comics in the early years...(sorry, off subject rant beginning, derailed back to subject)
Some of the stuff that Stan Lee put into his characters was brand new...... he gave them souls and DC had to catch up.
Spiderman, Thor, Hulk had somewhat definable character traits and human frailties....
Where's Thor's frailties now that he's the Odinson?
There are other examples but that comes to mind(I's like to see a Odinson Unique, hint hint Wizkids?!?!?)
Anyway, it sounds as if Superman_03 is one of those people who believes that comics started when he began paying attention to them and they will end when he stops paying attention to them. i wonder what he'll think when he meets another shallow person like him but who is younger and thinks the things he holds dear are rubbish.
Anyway, Cosmic Boy will be a good piece for those Chess players out there who also play Heroclix.:)
the Marvel Zombies can still play their "checkers-style" heroclix. :knockedou
Now, if Wizkids will only make the Fatal 5, Ferro Lad, Karate Kid, Mon-el, Silver Age Superboy, Wildfire, ShadowLass, Shrinking Violet, Triplicate Girl, Phantom Lass, Dream Girl(1st legitimite Probability Controller!!!)Sun Boy, Ultra Boy etc etc

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by bizzaro


I'd love to hear any recommendations folks might have ....

When you think of Batman several immediately spring to mind such as Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Year One, Arkham Asylumn, etc......

Supes does great guest-starring in other books, like the JLA circa Morrison/Waid.

But there are a few other great Superman Projects:

World's Finest, by Gibbons and Rude. Great, iconic stuff.

Superman for All Seasons, by Loeb and Sale. Can't beat this team. And it's much better Loeb than the current Batman storyline.

The Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told collection is really the "Best of the Best," and I can certainly take 1 silly Superman story if it's clever and interesting. Worth a look.

Superman:Exile is really cool. One of my favorites from the Roger Stern era, post-Byrne. For that matter, Man of Steel isn't bad, per se, but it's nice John Byrne (pre-insanity) and does a great job of setting the current stuff up.

Finally, and here's a real weird one, check out Alan Moore's Supreme TPB. It's Alan Moore doing classic (60's and 70's) Superman riffs. Cool, cool stuff, as only Alan Moore can pull it off.

Hope those lead you to some good reads,

[Christo]

Mjolnir -- while I love the idea of a Dream Girl clix as well as the other Legionnaires you mentioned, may I humbly submit that the JSA's Hourman may also be a legitimate Probability Controller? Either Rick or Tyler would do . . .

[Batman1983]

Originally posted by bizzaro
I've always really liked the character of Superman, but haven't read many stories that I really really liked. The only two "must reads" that I've seen so far, are:

-Kingdom Come
-Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? (by Alan Moore)

I'd love to hear any recommendations folks might have ....

When you think of Batman several immediately spring to mind such as Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Year One, Arkham Asylumn, etc......

'JLA: The Nail' isn't realy a Superman story, but there is a point in the story where you get this feeling its like "This... This is what Superman should be & should feel like. This makes up for all the subpar stories & all the ideas that never panned out. This is Superman"

'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?' is also definitive Superman.

'Kingdom Come' gives you that Feeling. you know the one you got at the end of Spiderman when he starts walking away from Mary Jane, the one you got when you saw 'Empire Strikes Back' for the first time, & the one that an 'Iron Man' movie will no doubt give us all. Oh & yes the one you lucky few got when you saw Superman in the Movie Theatre all those years ago...

[mysterio_lives]

troll? you got to be kidding. i got complete runs of uncanny and amazing. its true, the only DC i do is batman, but i am familar with many DC heros and have ZERO interest in cosmic boy.

again i ask WHEN IS THE NEXT MARVEL SET DUE.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
troll? you got to be kidding. i got complete runs of uncanny and amazing. its true, the only DC i do is batman, but i am familar with many DC heros and have ZERO interest in cosmic boy.

again i ask WHEN IS THE NEXT MARVEL SET DUE.

Then why don't you go ask on another thread, or send an email to Wizkids? When you post your question on the Cosmic Boy preview thread, it seems to everyone else that you are spoiling for a fight. Or a troll.

[mysterio_lives]

sorry, but imo CJ is garbage...and i dont think much of the indy clix either....i hope the next DC set is better....marvel is always got better clix imo

i am intitled to have my opinion right?

[Batman1983]

Watch out world champ... Mark Finn fight. Mark Finn SMASH!!!! But seriously go start a CJ hate thread & leave our love of DC alone in these our precious DC threads.

[MarkFinn]

That's the problem with a lot of Marvel Clix fans: they can't possibly see how their opinion and viewpoint could vary from anyone else's.

Who cares if you have zero interest in Cosmic Boy? Particularly on a thread labeled Cosmic Justice Sneak Peek--Cosmic Boy? If you were really indifferent, you wouldn't have even posted. The fact that you did makes others think that you are spoiling for a fight. Or a troll.

[CaptainCarl]

i have never read a legoin of superheros comic but it sound interesting enough for me to want to check it out

thank god or boneyard that is for whoclix
so i am informed on all the ins and outs of each set

the legion looks very playable since DC is missing out on flyers but this set is makin up for it

fortunaltely unlike other people who i guess have to voice out or type out their opinion just to get on everybodys nerves i am a devout marvel fan more particularly spiderman fan but i have the common sense not to open my mouth without thinking but hey thats what keeps me different then some of you

before i decide to say this sucks and that sucks ima look into things first but hey then again all we have to do is not pay attention to anybody who likes to write negative posts

it takes 2 to tango

just my 10 cents

cant wait for CJ i dont know who half the people are but hey heroclix is helping expand my comic knowledge

thecaptain

[EVIL CAP]

Remember kids if its not a mutant and the TV hasent told you its popular with the rest of the animals in your herd it cant be good.Im glad i dont have that mentality or else i would still be reading a sad excuse for X-Men comics instead of JSA and Nightwing right now

[Thanosied]

No offence to peoples who love the Legion but this fig looks a little on the fruity side. Not that thats a bad thing just not my taste. Well saw his Vet stats and he looks alright except for the fact he has no damage reduction. Oh well just the same his stats are decent but he is a hero and many DC heroes look a little fruity ie. Robin need I say more?

[Thanosied]

Oh and too any who wanted to know, Ang Lee is now public enemy number one in my book. I saw a Divx of the Hulk earlier and it was sooo bad I actually came to tears. I had bronchitis for 3 weeks and now for another 3 weeks I have had tendonitis and gout in my left foot so I haven't been able to work or do anything. Now for the one positive thing in my life, The Hulk movie. I was so upset I was wondering where to lay the Napalm down. My god this movie has about 10 mins of actual Hulk smash and the rest is AZZ, a poor script, acting and horrible direction. This ends up being one of the worst big budget films I have seen since Godzilla. Oh well thats just my 2 cents.

[Clix776]

bizarro,

I recommend them everywhere, but Action Comics #775, "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" and Action Comics #796, part 8 of "Ending Battle". And, I suppose, the first 7 parts of "Ending Battle" (Superman #186, 187, Adventures of Superman #608, 609, Superman: The Man of Steel #130, 131, Action Comics #795) just for buildup purposes that make the payoff worth it. I spent $18 on the series and the last issue alone made the whole expenditure worthwhile. The "Superman: Arkham" and "Emperor Joker" (Superman #160, 161, Adventures of Superman #582, 583, Superman: The Man of Steel #104, 105, Action Comics #769, #770, and the Emperor Joker One-Shot) storylines were also very enjoyable.

Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson

[Kneel_To_Zod]

Hey, Marvel Zombies, you might recognize the Legion better by comparing them to the Marvel's rip-off version of them. Think of them as DC's Imperial Guard. If you compare the two, you'll notice they're pretty much the same. Yeah...for some reason DC is a lot cooler when they're the Squadron Supreme or Imperial Guard...

Ok, more for the history lesson (or giving info to DC ignorant Marvel Zombie/Trolls ;):

Mark Waid also wrote the Legion of Super Heroes. If you liked his take-charge leadership of Cap, or his sneaky double-crossing Batman, then try reading Waid's Cosmic Boy in his Fatal Five story. And if you're enjoying Waid's Reed Richards in Fantastic Four, then his Brainiac 5 is also enjoyable.

Olivier Coipel was recruited by Marvel to draw the Avengers. He previously worked on the Legion. He's a pretty good artist with Jim Lee style/detail and better action sequencing.

Giffen did a great grim-n-grit, sci-fi drama of the Legion in his 5-year-gap story. His Legion ditched the uniforms and wore jackets over a decade before the X-Men tried it. For those people so in love with Nu Marvel's mature direction, try checking out late 80's DC. It's the same thing with higher quality.

Btw, fyi, a lot of the creative juices that went into making the X-Men so popular by the 80's came from the Legion. In the later 70's to the early 80's, the Legion was in the same boat as the X-Men and Teen Titans. These titles were on track to becoming greats. Of course the X-Men best succeeded. Btw, Nightcrawler and Storm could have been Legion members probably, and Colossus sure seems like a Russian Ferro (Legion member that predated Colossus for the DC ignorant).

Anyway, of course DC characters are going to be considered obscure to Marvel Zombies. Let's bring on the next Marvel set of Eternals, Power Pack, Marauders, New Warriors, etc...because to a Marvel Zombie, they're all much better known than Deathstroke...and possibly even Lex Luther ;).

[mysterio_lives]

HMMMMM.......lets see which books dominate the top20 positions in the new wizard mag......yup, just what i thought....marvel is still crushing dc.

you cant argue with $ DC fans....bottom line, if it dont make $ it dont make "cents".

[Kneel_To_Zod]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives:
HMMMMM.......lets see which books dominate the top20 positions in the new wizard mag......yup, just what i thought....marvel is still crushing dc.

you cant argue with $ DC fans....bottom line, if it dont make $ it dont make "cents".

Lol, of course Marvel dominates (especially in Wizard): Marvel is more popular. Wizard is Marvel Magazine. Wizard reflects Marvel Zombie Fanboys and Marvel Zombie Fanboys reflect Wizard. Even then, at least Wizard had an appreciation for Legion ;).

There's no question that Marvel dominates popularity, but I don't think comic fans should be proud of themselves for buying all Marvel and being proud of their ignorance of things not Marvel. Why be sheep to Marvel and trolls to non-Marvel? I can understand not wanting to spend money on non-Marvel comics and Heroclix, but why act like a troll for things DC or Crossgen or other-Indies, etc?

In the top 20 sales, Marvel dominates. In total sales, DC and Marvel are nearly identical. In quality, that's a judgement call. A lot of indy books selling less than 1,000 copies are far better quality than anything Marvel or DC puts out. If you like Marvel Comics, or comics in general, just pick up Giffen's 5YG story for the Legion and Waid's Legion comics. Both are just good super-hero/sci-fi stories that are as good as a lot of the best stuff Marvel puts out. Mark Waid's Cosmic Boy is like a mix of Captain America and Black Panther, but a lot younger. Maybe his name is dumb, but just as lame as the likes of Marvel Girl or Magneto ;).

[Kneel_To_Zod]

Btw, the current Legion series is really good. If you liked Grant Morrison's JLA or his New X-Men, you'll probably like the Legion by DnA. DnA are Brit writers, btw. The heroes don't act as corny as when Mark Waid was writing them (and if you can stand Waid's FF, than his Legion won't be a problem (less lame)). The characters have been through the ####per, and act far more like adults who have seen tragedies and have made sacrifices. They don't use the dumb codenames as much. They either usually use abreviations, their real names, or just the cooler codenames. They still have the Chris Sprouse uniforms, but they do wear standard jackets now (X-Men style if you're crediting everything to Marvel).

This new Legion series has great sci-fi world building and politics. The Legion uses an army of high-tech cops and space armadas and they open portals to launch attacks and stuff. Instead of acting like Archie and the gang, these guys have been training X-Men style and acting like the Ultimates (if you want to credit Marvel with everything). Dreamer used her ditz prediction abilities, and trained under a warrior race called the khunds to become a warrior precog. Starboy (another fruity sounding name) became a good-guy soldier version of Marvel's Graviton. Think Ultimate Captain America + Graviton.

I want to see more Legion in Heroclix. I don't see how Wizkids could have added a Legionnaire that wasn't considered obscure. Cosmic Boy is their freakin leader and people are complaining. Why not just dump the whole team if Cosmic Boy isn't good enough.

[Frontman]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
HMMMMM.......lets see which books dominate the top20 positions in the new wizard mag......yup, just what i thought....marvel is still crushing dc.

you cant argue with $ DC fans....bottom line, if it dont make $ it dont make "cents".


As they did once before. Just before folks got tired of the garbage they kept churning out, with a boat-load of X-books that none of them were worth the paper they were printed on. When they started screwing around with comic book mainstays. Starting books then the readers wind up waiting months upon months for the next issue.

And all this set them up because it was just before THEY ALMOST WENT BANKRUPT!

Wait, lousy X-books, screwing with origins, waiting months between issues..... "Haven't we been here before?"

Sounds like if Marvel winds up screwing ANY of their film projects, they could easily wind up in the same boat.

(And, to Thanosied, yup, the costume does look goofy. Legion costumes tended to be goofy. I'll give you that one.)

PEACE!!!

Tim

[TheLion]

Let's get this back to the figure.

I've got all three CB's and a Lightening Lad - E (Live Wire to the new Legion generation), and I've noticed that the sculpts seem smaller than usual anf they are really good.

I know when XPlosion came out there was a big thing about the bigger size to the figures and that was because it was easier to do more detail.

It doesn't seem like this is true with Cosmic Justice because there is plenty of detail on the smaller Legion figures.

Do Marvel and DC use different sculptors?

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
HMMMMM.......lets see which books dominate the top20 positions in the new wizard mag......yup, just what i thought....marvel is still crushing dc.

you cant argue with $ DC fans....bottom line, if it dont make $ it dont make "cents".

This is retarded. Popularity doesn't indicate quality. Are you saying to me that "Temptation Island" is better than the Sopranos? Because, you know, more people watch Tempation Island...

The reason why Marvel is doing better in sales is because of a lot of DC's writing staff from the 80's and 90's is currently working for them.
Something to think about.

[bizzaro]

MarkFinn, Batman1983,Clix 776:
Thanks for the suggestions --- I'll check around next time I'm at the store.

I did read the JLA (Morrsion and Waid runs) which I thought was fantastic. Morrison did a great job of not only capturing Superman, but the instances where his teammates were in awe of him.

Glad we got the three founding members of the Legion in this set .... hope we get a few more in the next DC expansion ... Ultra Lad, Mon-El, Wildfire, or Shadowlass perhaps?

[Scipio]

I can certainly understand why Marvellites feel that have to turn up their noses at Cosmic Boy because of his silly name.

If I were they, I'd be much more comfortable sticking with Dr. Doom, Annihilus, the Crimson Dynamo, Kang, Klaw, Magneto, and the Doombots.

[SpakSpang]

Not to mention the reason Marvel is making mad cash on comic sales is because of the massively successful Marvel Movies that have revitalized their characters.

Warner Bros and DC really need to get their act together to make a good Batman and Superman film and they will see a huge revitalization of their profits too. Next they could follow up with a few movies of their lesser known characters and try to bring a new energy into those.

I think a Flash film would be great. A really good Wonder Woman film could work too, but they may have to reinvent the character some for the movie.

[Batman1983]

I honestly think a LoSH or better yet a Teen Titans movie (if done right) would knock X-men off their feet in sales. But DC may be waiting for graphics to take that next leap before they attempt any of the team movies. A good Batman won't involve Kurt Rusell unless they do DK Returns & he steps up as an actor. The problem w/ doing a Superman movie is that Christopher Reeve was/is Superman... I hope they don't do another one till long after hes dead ( & I hope he has a long life, but not in a saddistic way). I'd want to see a Titans movie sooo bad. Hopefully they do a Deathstroke story w/ Sean Connery as Deathstroke. If not Connery then James Coburn would rock! Flash would probably be the money movie at this point due to its popularity. Plus it would slightly tie into a TTitans movie (Wally having been on the team & all)

[Kneel_To_Zod]

I don't think DC will ever do a Titans or LSH movie. Cartoons perhaps (and the Legion lend themselves very well to cartoons).

If DC wants to make a great movie, Kyle Green Lantern is the way to go. I'd say he's their best bet with Spidey-personality/situation appeal and great powers and less-lame (no undies on the outside) costume. The Catwoman movie sounds promising. I think a Flash movie could work.

Marvel has a ton of properties that would work, though. Can't wait to see the Hulk.

[Cliff Stockton]

Batman1983,

Connery and Coburn both would be great actors to portray Deathstroke if a Titans movie was made. Unfortunately Coburn passed away not too long ago so it looks like we're stuck with Connery.

Alas, Gregory Peck died today as well. Another acting legend is gone.

Cliff

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Thanosied
No offence to peoples who love the Legion but this fig looks a little on the fruity side. Not that thats a bad thing just not my taste. Well saw his Vet stats and he looks alright except for the fact he has no damage reduction. Oh well just the same his stats are decent but he is a hero and many DC heroes look a little fruity ie. Robin need I say more?

Well I can...Namor...Beast...Thing?? Getting the picture?? Last time I checked muscular guys in speedos who's main forte is close HTH fighting with other muscular guys doesn't strike me as the most non "fruity" of scenarios.

Saying DC has all these fruity heroes when three mainstays of Marvel could equally be described as such in terms of costume design seems a little selective in memory and interpretations...

[Cliff Stockton]

Back to topic...

Cosmic Boy looks pretty cool and I think his powers are represented fairly well. Thank goodness he is in his current costume and not that pink one he had way, way back!

If they never add anymore Legion members to the Clix universe at least they got it right the first time with the three founding members. Now all we need is an RJ Brande LE!

Of course there are plenty more characters from the LSH that I would love to see. Add a legionnaire or two in each set or even Science Police Generics. That would be pretty cool.

So far I am more interested in the DC stuff since we have already been flooded by a multitude of Marvel expansions.
I hope DC catches up soon or we at least don't have to wait another 6 to 9 months for the next one. There are still plenty of DC big guns to be made into Clix form. I hope the next set fleshes out the teams that are really lacking in members in these first sets. GL's, JSA, Mystics, and LSH all need a few more added to them.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by SpakSpang
Not to mention the reason Marvel is making mad cash on comic sales is because of the massively successful Marvel Movies that have revitalized their characters.

Warner Bros and DC really need to get their act together to make a good Batman and Superman film and they will see a huge revitalization of their profits too. Next they could follow up with a few movies of their lesser known characters and try to bring a new energy into those.

I think a Flash film would be great. A really good Wonder Woman film could work too, but they may have to reinvent the character some for the movie.

Actually, they need to convince studios to back their property...Blade started all this...a dark horse hit based on a character very few people outside loyal Spiderman TAS viewers and some hardcore comic fans...convincing numbers to help sell the idea that comic movies needn't be campy, fluff material, and could sell if they weren't...a few years later and an explosion of movies followed that example.

DC needs something similar to test the waters...to prove that this is not solely a Marvel phenomenon....it'll be tough since the wonder of a sleeper hit like Blade is gone...but I think they can manage with some noir detective movie with Constantine or some other marginal character that can focus on story with a comic character rather than a 4 color hero that happens to have a movie going on....those can follow once the "proof" is out there for movie studios.

[Hack-n-slash]

I don't think DC will ever do a Titans or LSH movie. Cartoons perhaps (and the Legion lend themselves very well to cartoons).

Titans cartoon starts shortly.... July 19th, to be exact.

From what I've seen of promos, it seems targeted at the *real* young crowd. Almost antithetical to the the Young Justice / Teen Titans limited series that just came out, actually.

Regarding DC and movies:

IMO, Green Arrow would be an excellent choice.

"Longbow Hunters" would be a good port. You wouldn't need a killer budget; heck, you wouldn't even have to know that it
was based on a comic.

[Cliff Stockton]

I've seen the Titans on the Cartoon Network site and it definitley has that manga-anime look and feel to it. Too bad. It would be nice if they could keep the look and feel of what Batman the animated series has done all the way up to the JL cartoon currently. I know things have to change eventually but does it really have to change THAT much?

Sometimes I'm just too old for this stuff. lol

[Grinner]

Originally posted by Cliff Stockton
Thank goodness he is in his current costume and not that pink one he had way, way back!

Or how about if he'd have been in the Mike Grell-drawn 70's costume? The 'his magnetic powers are the only way this Speedo plus is staying on' costume?

[Hack-n-slash]

DC needs something similar to test the waters...to prove that this is not solely a Marvel phenomenon....it'll be tough since the wonder of a sleeper hit like Blade is gone...but I think they can manage with some noir detective movie with Constantine or some other marginal character that can focus on story with a comic character rather than a 4 color hero that happens to have a movie going on....those can follow once the "proof" is out there for movie studios.

I agree.

IMO, having an "unknown" character was a *big* bonus for "Blade". People didn't immediately dismiss it because of a comic-book origin.

I don't think that "Green Lantern" would make it.

Superman and Spider-Man are on the opposite end of the spectrum; they are widely recognized and far more deeply embedded in general into the American psyche.

[Cliff Stockton]

I was trying to forget that era of costumes, Grinner! lol

Thanks for that mental image!

Grell is a great artist but I wasn't really impressed with those costumes he came up with.

[Grinner]

Glad to be of service, Cliff :laugh: :laugh:

I am actually considering having a mod made of the Saturn Girl 'pink bikini' costume from that era just for laughs. And I much prefer the black pants/white gi top costume Karate Kid wore in that era over the brown jumpsuit that was his other costume.

[Cliff Stockton]

DC on the screen???

Deadman? Maybe have ol' Boston Brand fly across the big screen and then to the big top floor.

Etrigan would be kinda cool if you did a medieval thing with him or had some type of flashbacks with Merlin. Have Jason Blood looking into some occult thingie in a major DC city.

A WW2 era movie with some lesser known JSA members. Kinda like the Liberty Files 2 part story and then the Unholy Three follow-up.

A Blackhawks movie? Jonah Hex western? Sgt Rock?

If they ever do anymore Batman movies I hope they do tone down the flashy bits and keep it dark and grim like the Tim Burton Gotham. Batman:Year One would be good if they ever make it I think.

[olcottr]

I want to see some Legion baddies, like Emerald Eye and that big dude with the Axe.

[Cliff Stockton]

Grinner,

OK, maybe a couple of those costumes weren't too bad. You reminded me of KK's look. Starboy was good too. Even Collassol Boy was good. It seems he either had them almost in nothing or covered from head to toe just about.

Remember the second Invisble Kid? Before Giffen put him in the black and yellow. eewwww Phantom Girl's bell bottoms...

sigh

And the list goes on and on...

lol

[Ignatz_Mouse]

A lot of those costumes were Dave Cockrum's doing (Dave also co-created the Imperial Guard and created all of their costumes).

Personally, I liked em. Cos was much more masculine in the all-black outfit. And most of the test of that era were great-- Element Lad, Coll*sal Boy, Princess Projectra (rowrl!), Star Boy's starfield, Shrinking Violet, Phantom Girl, Wildfire's look-- all great costumes.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I just did a little hunting to see if I could find pix of the Imperial Guard (no good group shots) but I did find a reference that said that Dave C had created Nightcrawler and intended him for a Legion of Super Heroes spin-off project-- and that the editor thought he was "too weird-looking." Ha! DC's loss, Marvel's gain.

[Speedy]

Did Dave Cockrum go straight over to Marvel after his run on Legion of Superheroes or did he stick around and do some more work at D.C.?? I know Dave worked at Marvel as the New X-Men's artist, but I assume this was probably around 1975. Both Dave Cockrum's and Grell's take on the Legion would make for some fun sculpts. I have to say though that I'm relatively happy they put Cosmic Boy in his classic uniform.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

He went to Marvel, but didn't do X-Men for a while. It was being kicked around for a while.

[caffeinated]

Originally posted by Kneel_To_Zod
I don't think DC will ever do a Titans or LSH movie. Cartoons perhaps (and the Legion lend themselves very well to cartoons).


Some of the Legion characters did make an appearance on the WB Superman Cartoon a couple years ago. I can't remember which ones though.

[bullseye100]

cool piece

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Hack-n-slash
I agree.

IMO, having an "unknown" character was a *big* bonus for "Blade". People didn't immediately dismiss it because of a comic-book origin.


I don't think the vampire thing hurt any either. Vampire movies usually do pretty well.

M!

[Batman1983]

Alan Moores first 5 issues on Swamp thing would rock as movies! 'Swamp Thing: Of the Green' & 'Swamp Thing: Etrigan' would work, but There is perhaps too much back story & as we've seen Hollywood seems to ruin Alan Moore's work.

[Clix776]

Originally posted by Batman1983
Alan Moores first 5 issues on Swamp thing would rock as movies! 'Swamp Thing: Of the Green' & 'Swamp Thing: Etrigan' would work, but There is perhaps too much back story & as we've seen Hollywood seems to ruin Alan Moore's work. Where have we seen this? I really like some of Alan Moore's stuff, and if Hollywood has gotten at it, I'd rather like to see it. I'm eagerly anticipating League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this August. What can I watch for warmups?

Thank You,
Gary E. Poisson

[rouge2]

Originally posted by Clix776
Where have we seen this? I really like some of Alan Moore's stuff, and if Hollywood has gotten at it, I'd rather like to see it. I'm eagerly anticipating League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this August. What can I watch for warmups?

Thank You,
Gary E. Poisson

Well they *completely* butchered "From Hell", it's hardly recognisable as the same story. Just wretched stuff. Early script reviews of "League" seem to suggest it's going to stink up the place as well ( I hope not, but we'll see).

I'm currently reading the new "Alan Moore: Portrait of an Extrodinary Gentleman", and there's a cool introduction by Terry Gilliam that makes the case that "Watchmen" is a masterpiece all it's own and should never be made into a movie.

Back on topic: Cosmic Boy rocks. I can't wait for other Legionnaires in future sets (and Villains: Bring on the Fatal Five!)

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by caffeinated
Some of the Legion characters did make an appearance on the WB Superman Cartoon a couple years ago. I can't remember which ones though.

Well they had Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Chameleon (probably since Live Wire was already taken as a name for the animated show).

They had a flashback with Brainiac 5 (would have loved to have THAT explained to Supes given that Brainiac was the badguy in the episode), Triad, Apparition, some others...