Thanos (marvel end spoilers)

[sluggo]

I just saw the last book in marvels end series, and they killed off Thanos. In order to put the universe back together and make it like the whole end storyline never happened Thanos scarfaced himself, and since no one remembers what happened the only evidence that he even existed (because no one remembers him now) is his hood, which he took off before he was whipped out of existence.

[I_Blame_You]

So, will this continue to be the case in everyday Marvel continuity or was The End kind of a side bar series?

[sluggo]

I think its in continuity, if its not it makes Thanos dying for the whole universe kinda pointless

[I Am The Game]

Did anyone else notice Jemas in that book? He was talking through Thanos, at the top of one page where he says that the universe will not recycle heroes from death, and there will be no miraculous revivals of dead characters. When someone's dead, someone else will replace him. Someone tell Jim Starlin that no job is worth being used as someone's puppet. That leads to the question, who is going to die, that Jemas and his monkeys will replace with someone new?

Marvel is ruining comicdom, and I'm sick of it. When Jemas leaves, everything will be so much better.

[I_Blame_You]

Yeah...but does anyone (especially a character as pivotal as Thanos) really ever die?

[Briel]

The End is supposed to take place a long time from now, so I wouldn't worry about it. Starlin had a good idea in his head, and wanted to put it to paper while his characters are still popular enough to see print. So Thanos shoud still be kicking around the present day MU. Also, given his love affair with Lady Death, I would imagine that Thanos' story is just beginning. The Thanos/Warlock saga has always been steeped in metaphysics and religion. Warlock himself has been on several lives, because in each one he is supposed to learn something different.

[Hadez]

Actually Jim Starling has just started to pen a rumored NEW thanos Series (Or mini series I believe) So everyone's favorite Purple headed (...Err) Titan will be back soon.

And I love the way Marvel is headed to.

Jemas and Quesada Saved Marvel Some years ago when Spider-Man and the X Books were trash.

[sluggo]

"Marvel is ruining comicdom, and I'm sick of it. When Jemas leaves, everything will be so much better"

Ya, once he leaves we can get back to the ####py storylines with people dying and coming back to life, thus ruining old storylines and destorying why people died int he first place (ie - coming up with some stupid reason to bring Colossus back to life would just make his scarface meaningless). We won't get anymore of those stupid storylines that make a difference to the characters (like Daredevils identy being revealed) or books like New X-Men which do something different. We can s#### the Ultimate line.

Marvel books are the best they've been in years (if ever). They cut down the number of books they did to make the ones they did do better, they have some of the best writers working for them, and they are breaking new ground rather then just redoing the same old storylines with some name changes (just look at X-Treme X-Men and New X-Men - one is just the same old stuff they've been doing since the 70's,t he other is a new, fresh take on the characters). And what they have done has put Marvel back ontop of the comic world - look at a sales list. For the last 6 months or so DC has held the #1 spot with Jim Lees batman run and a spot around #12 with JLA, other then that Marvel has the rest of the top 15 sellers every month.

[Hadez]

And The end is actually a series of Tales telling how will the LAST ever "Character" story would be.

There was a Hulk: the End story some time back and there are plans for a Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men & F4.

What I liked about the "End:of the Marvel Universe?
That thanks to Thanos Marvel shall keep going and going.

So what if a hero is killed?
There are many LAME ways to returning one to life. Better for them to stay dead.

[Briel]

There are actually a hellacious amount of Marvel books out. But we are being spared the "EVIL" whole universe crossover every three months. Thank goodness. You buy what you want with no pressure. That makes all the difference. Jemas and Quesada brought my Punisher series back, so I'm willing to put up with whatever else happens.

[hulkguy]

thanos isn't dead, he's actually getting his own title by jim starlin.

[Hadez]

Originally posted by Hadez
Actually Jim Starling has just started to pen a rumored NEW thanos Series (Or mini series I believe) So everyone's favorite Purple headed (...Err) Titan will be back soon.

Err......That's just what I said.

:p

[Thanosied]

Okay so Thanos dies in a what if comic? I mean isn't that what it is a possible future? I can guarantee that if I had to pick to beings to survive the end of Marvel it would be Galactus and Thanos. Starlin is a God and no offence but I hate the Ultimates in verey form. The remind me too much of super old 'What if Comics' where things just didn't add up. Well Im glad to hear of a new Starlin mini-series of Thanos because I am heralded as #1 Fan by all who incompass this earth. Him dying is just from what I hear one possible future that if things unfold they way the are will come to pass.

So who says Thanos wont cheat his own death or even change the very reality so the universe doesn't unfold the way its supposed too. Isn't Thanos the master of making his own destiny? To believe for a second that Thanos will forever be completely gone is not a reality I choose to ever believe or should anyone else who actually know him. He is the embodiement of the villains hunger for Knowledge and Power. He does this better than anyone, I mean anyone.

Well thanks for this post now I think I will go and read The Infinity War again I love that seies or maybe Quest for the Gems, or The Infinity Crusade, or maybe still the Infinity Gauntlet. Oh well whatever it may be thanks to Starlin and not to this guy who waisted away with Thanos albeit he will return if he has been destroyed he has done it before and will do it again.

[Hadez]

He he.

That's the result of Flaming on something when you haven't even read it.


Thanos BECOMES all in the universe and every hero of the Universe (plus Gods) Stand up against hium and he sucks them all up

Thus, Killing the universe.

How the end unfolds, I will not reveal.

Take 2.25 from your pocket and pick the End#6.

If you are a Thanos fan, you will love it.:cool:

[Thanosied]

Oh and if you wipe out Thanos you wipe out the one character that can defeat anyone. This guy has more uses than a swiss army knife and he uses cosmic beings as pawns in his schemes. Thats one of the best reasons for the Silver Surfer's hatred of him. Well kudo's to them bringing back characters cause Im all for that just don't get rid of the Master Villain of them all The Mad Titan Thanos.:devious:

[sluggo]

theres only one good way to do a "bringing someone back to life story". Farscape fans will remember at the end of the second season that Erin died, and at the start of the third she came back to life, but it cost another main character, Zahn, her life. But even that kind of storyline can't be done that often.

[Hadez]

Thanoseid, Read my last post on Page 1.

[Thanosied]

Its done Hadez and I wasn't flaming just speaking my mind but I will pick it up tomorrow and thanks. I Destroyed my left foot 2 weeks ago and before that happpened I had 3 weeks worth of Bronchitis so I haven't been out in almost 2 months except for medical reasons so Im sorry if this is the first time I have heard of this series. Just respect my knowledge of the charcter. :) But thanks for the heads up. Oh and up north in Canada its probably more like $5 bucks.

[Hadez]

Cool.

I pretty much recomend the whole END (1-6)


It's a nice treat to all of us Thanos Fans.

I mean, you gotta love a comic that in the first issue Kills The X-MEn, Avengers and F4!!!!!!

[Thanosied]

Holy smoke say no more. :) Its called The End? Thats it? and there are 6 issues. I will pick it up tomorrow for sure. I will be off the wall this is the best thuing I have heard of in a long time and thanks hadez.

[Hadez]

It's actually a pretty well thinked story.

Lots of twists and turns and Thanos is mainly the Primary Character

[Thanosied]

Well thats comfirting because with all the #### thats been happening to me lately it will be good to read a brand new Thanos series. I aslo saw a Div X of the Hulk movie 3 days ago and I ac tually had a tear come from my eye when I watched one of the worse comic movies I had seen in years. You see the Hulk is my second favorite charcter and the movie was so bad my psyche just couldn't take it. Well thanks for the heads up most appreciated from one Thanos fan to another the comics are as good as bought and I will forever support his cause.

[Hadez]

I live to help others

[SuicycoSlade]

Thanos is dead. Warlock and Thanos both said so themselves. Marvel: The End, according to Starlin, is in CONTINUITY. Thanos sacrificed himself so that the universe could be reborn.

The comic didn't say that Thanos wouldn't be remembered, it said that the whole "The End" wouldn't be remembered by anyone but Warlock.

Warlock said "All who fell are once again whole. But the Titan was devilish in his reconstruction, devious to the end. Determined that none should ever think well of him. For what has transpired is remembered by none. No memory is there of the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten or anything that occurred after his spectacular debut. For in this newly minted reality such horrors never happened."

I think Starlin wanted to kill off Thanos so that nobody could use him again. I know that Starlin HATED the way Thanos was used in Ka-Zar and Thor. That is why he made up the Infinity Abyss, to clear up that those weren't actually Thanos but clones of him. Starlin added in that after Thanos saved the universe in The End, that characters that die can not be resurrected again (which means no Thanos). Thanos even said that the next time Warlock dies, that he too would stay dead.

With Thanos being my favorite character, there is nothing I hope for more than Thanos to return. But that would totally screw up what Marvel tried fixing with The End (characters dying only to be reborn two months later.)

About the Thanos regular series that Starlin is writing/drawing, does anybody have any concrete proof that this is actually happening? And if they do, any chances that is could be a series about Thanos in the past (a la Spider-Man: The Untold Tales, or X-Men: The Lost Years?) It would be pretty hard to tell a new series about Thanos after he supposedly sacrificed himself to save the Universe.

[walksthestorm]

Along the topic of discussion, wasn't there supposed to a The End for Punisher as well? I haven't been able to pick up comics since January, but I thought there was a talk of a proper Punisher story of him killing everyone. If you can't tell, I am a Punisher fan, but would like to see this story done in a proper way. Any help?

[rob_wofter]

walksthestorm, there was a Punisher kills the marvel universe comic. It changed his story to that his wife and kid were in teh middle of a battle between X-men and some other superheros, and the brood and skrulls, and his wife and kid got killed. So he devoted his life to killing all mutants. And so thats what he did, he hooke dup with some other anti-mutants (all of which hated mutants because they had been hurt by them) and blasted everyone. Get the trade if you can, I liked the story quite a bit.

[I Am The Game]

Thanos has operated at the side of Mistress Death before. He could very well be dead, and still have a mini-series in continuity.

I disagree that all Thanos fans will like Marvel: The End. I don't find that he's been properly portrayed since the Thanos Quest. Hope all you self-proclaimed Thanos fans know what that is. The Infinity series got worse and worse as it went on. Marvel: The End was a tool. Thanos was at his greatest before he died the first time, Captain Marvel 26-33, Marvel Two-In-One Annual 2, Avengers Annual 7.

Oh, and to the X-fan who was proclaiming the golden age of Jemas, Marvel pissed everything that came in the past. They changed Doctor Doom's suit, they're changing Captain America's origin, they're "modernizing Dr. Strange's origin for post-Matrix readers" or so say Wizard, and MANGA MANGA MANGA. I don't even want to start with the 2nd mutation nonsense. If they change Mr. Sinister's costume, Marvel's gonna burn! :angry:

[Hadez]

I for one like the way Marvel is headed to.

But tha's just me. Everyone has their own opinion

[curr0001]

I myself rather enjoyed marvel The end. And I'm looking foward to the new Dr. STranger seires.

and to quote someone. "Change is good."

[Briel]

Thanos said:
"The Patterns will be set right...All shall be as it should be."

Don't you guys see? He left himself an out! He does recreate the universe, and there will be a version of himself in it. He leaves Adam's memory partially intact so he will have the only person he ever respected to talk to later. He fudges Adam's memory just enough, so he won't come to his usual deductions.

Thanos' version of the universe as it should be is with himself in it. He had to shed godhood because it was a dead End trap. Hence the setup for a new series. Will he work for good or evil? Who knows? But Thanos is back in business. Read those last four pages again, and you will see.

Sidebar: How can Thanos be improperly handled by his own creator? With the exception of a couple Ron Marz scripts, running from outlines by Starlin, all of Thanos' adventures have been by Starlin alone. That's like saying Sir Arthur Conan Doyle mishandled Sherlock Holmes.

[I Am The Game]

20 or 30 years later, creators that were great then don't always keep up the pace. Let's go with an example everyone knows, Chris Claremont. First time around, he made X-Men what it is. 2nd time around, not good. Check out John Byrne in Superman/Batman: Generations. In the 80's, he was pencilling a whopping 4 books each month. Now his lines are simpler, the art not as crisp. He's getting lazy, and it shows. Jack Kirby had some really big hiccups during his career, notably when he got back on Captain America around late #180's, if I recall. Don't believe me? Pick up Fantastic Four around the time of the Inhumans and the first Galactus storyline, and compare it with those Caps. Day and night.

All this to say that I think Starlin is another veteran who lost his way. He deserves credit for his great work in the past, but if you're only reading the new stuff, you won't appreciate him for what he's capable of.

[Widdle Wade]

hmmmm this has been an interesting read
personnaly i enjoyed the END alot, but I have a few questions
1. who is it that tricked Thanos? its not really revealed?
so if some of u guys are right and Thanos is still alive, (i kinda hope u r right) then his next story will be about finding out who tricked him.

2. Or maybe Adam Warlock will go after him? to not necessarily kill him but see why he did it.

3. The reason why im worried that Thonas is going to stay did, is because death reveals she loves him, which was something he always wanted, now if hes still alive and death loves him.... it will chnage hhim in such a way that most of us wont like it.... u know why change a goood thing kinda deal, so im worried he might be dead and that the mini series will be a differant story of Thanos from earlier in his life.

just some thoughts

and yes Thanos can be the supreme villan in the marvel universe but he isnt.... not really, he doesnt really desire domination to rule, he desires domination so that he wont have to worry about people messing up his reality or taking revenge on him.... and thats hwy he often saves the universe these days, because warlock helped him realize that

anwyas great story jim

cheers

[Briel]

Even lazy Byrne is better than mostof these new guys. And I don't thnk he's lazy. He's older now and just needs to step back and choose a solid inker to help out.

Salvador Larroca and Sean Phillips are the only guys who doesn't need a guest artist to fill in for them these days. The only time Sal has been from his book is when he's assigned a mini, which means he still does a book a month. I love how most boks tout they have a regular artist, and he only draws maybe 8 of 12 issues a year. Or if you're Frank Quitely, 4. This would be OK if everyone had the standards of Bryan Hitch, but they don't. They're just lazy, and any of them suck at the same time. Oops. I forgot Mark Bagely's perfect run on U. Spidey, and he drew like 18 issues for the year. When I'm in my late fifties and early sixties, I hope I can still write let alone draw.
JOHN BYRNE, JIM STARLIN, and GEORGE PEREZ forever!

[SuicycoSlade]

Originally posted by Briel
JOHN BYRNE, JIM STARLIN, and GEORGE PEREZ forever!

AMEN.

[Paco]

Yeah, I enjoyed The End for the first couple of issues, but I'm not really pleased with the ending.

[joe124013]

Umm, Starlin and someone else (cant remember who, think Jemas) said when this series started that its not in continuity, and that by defenition, the end series' arent in continuity (ala Hulk: the End). IIRC, up next is wolverine: the end, but i could be wrong. And after the good sales from issues 1 and 2, marvel decided to make a Thanos monthly.

I generally liked the series, but i thought the pacing was a bit off. It seemed to drag early, than rush to finish.

And I am The Game, i hope you were joking about the modernization of Dr. Strange. This could turn out to be very bad :(

[Hadez]

The End IS out of Continuity.

That is what the "end" series are all aboout.

Thanos hasn't died on the Actual Marvel Universe.

If the title would have been in continuity, it wouldn't have the "end" title on it.

And yes, there will be a Wolverine: The End, Spider-Man: The End and F4: The End. They are looking for people to do them right Now.


How much ( money) does a comic book artist earn by issue anyway?

[walksthestorm]

A lot more than the writer, I can tell you that much.