Cosmic Justice Final Sneak Peek - Lex Luthor

[Draddog]

<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/cosmicjustice/cj089.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><P><B>Lex Luthor</B><BR><B>Unit Num:</B> 089<BR><B>Point Cost:</B> 69<BR><B>Team:</B> Superman Enemy<BR><B>Game Play Info:</B><BR>This is Lex Luthor with the Philosopher’s Stone from the “Rock of Ages” storyline in the <I>JLA</I>. As such, Lex has a number of powers that he might not normally have. Since he’s mostly just a normal human, he has a fairly short dial, but his powers more than make up for that, especially with Mastermind in every click, so he can shuffle damage off to his underlings. Otherwise, he starts off with some Leadership to help get people into position, then goes to Perplex, helping and hindering those that need it, and finally changing to Outwit to really mess up his opponents. He’s more of a support piece than a straightforward beat stick, but he should add a lot to any force – especially at only 69 points. </TD></TR></TABLE>

[lavinah]

first post...ever!

[Manchine]

Cool, I want lex!

[Hadez]

One of the first posts!

[Spidersense]

As they have defined the character here, I think he is a good representation. I am a big fan of Mastermind as long as there is another power worth keeping (i.e. Perplex). On some people with Mastermind like Riddler, there is nothing worth keeping him around for. Outwit and Perplex will make this fig worth his points. Plus if teamed right, he can give another figure Outwit. Nice design!

[Spidersense]

Enough with the frikkin' "First post" BS. Didnt that become a warnable offense or something? If you dont have something constructive to write, shaddup!

Now back to Luthor...

[Inbetweener]

Nice...Lex Luthor rules.

[HCannonFodder]

I gotta agree - MM is great - as long as there are powers worth MMing FOR. Looks interesting, although I'd probably not use it in a tournament.

[Spidersense]

Ok, I have a question. If they say "As such, Lex has a number of powers that he might not normally have" what do they mean? Isnt Lex the definition of criminal mastermind? That says Perplex, Outwit and Mastermind to me. I think he would certainly "normally" have these powers!

[Mayberry Bat]

I may need two. I can see modding a Lex into the Matches Malone idea I have. Really good sculpt. I want to say something sorta bad, but I get tired of seeing everyone and everyone's uncle badmouth the previews with "(insert figure here) should've had (insert power here)." Overall I like it, if just for the modding possibility.

[Inbetweener]

I think Lex is a bit expensive for what he does but I'm gonna be using quite a bit. Team him and some security figs and MODs in a mixed game and they'll be plenty of outwitting going on. He's gonna be fun to use no matter what.

[Magnito]

When I first saw him, I asumed that was kryptonite he was holding, but that works also.

[StudebakerHawk]

this piece is very interesting but it brings up a question, if Lex is on one of his last two clix's (with outwit) and next to an intergang agent, is he allowed to outwit two seperate powers or is his team ability negated by his existing superpower? just wondering, I haven't checked the FAQ yet I wonder if it is in there... If anyone knows help me out because if he is able to have double outwit that would be a killer combo.

[Ghost_Rider]

The only thing I don't like is that the write up states that because of the Philosopher's Stone, Lex has some powers "that he might not normally have."

Huh???

I'm sorry, but the Lex Luthor that I know and am familiar with doesn't need a Stone to give him Mastermind, Leadership, Perplex, and Outwit. These are all powers he has any day of the week! Sheesh..

Ghost

[spam01]

Well, he looks cool...I won't be loking for him though...
paying for the super enemy....

[Spidersense]

If the figure gaining Outwit (the higher point figure) already has it, then you dont gain a second one.

[Magnito]

Originally posted by StudebakerHawk
this piece is very interesting but it brings up a question, if Lex is on one of his last two clix's (with outwit) and next to an intergang agent, is he allowed to outwit two seperate powers or is his team ability negated by his existing superpower? just wondering, I haven't checked the FAQ yet I wonder if it is in there... If anyone knows help me out because if he is able to have double outwit that would be a killer combo.
I think it's for when he is the smaller enemy, or befor he has outwit, for he gets it at the end of his dial.

[Billy Jack]

Hmm i like the concept but the point cost thing could get tricky. They're are better perplexers in the mix. I am taking a wait and see approach.

[spam01]

No ,but team luthor up with brainiac and b13 will get outwit and lex will have it naturally!!

Originally posted by StudebakerHawk
this piece is very interesting but it brings up a question, if Lex is on one of his last two clix's (with outwit) and next to an intergang agent, is he allowed to outwit two seperate powers or is his team ability negated by his existing superpower? just wondering, I haven't checked the FAQ yet I wonder if it is in there... If anyone knows help me out because if he is able to have double outwit that would be a killer combo.

[StudebakerHawk]

Originally posted by Spidersense
If the figure gaining Outwit (the higher point figure) already has it, then you dont gain a second one.


I figured as much, I was just hoping to find a an interesting way to use him because I don't think that he'll be that sought after with all the other great uniques in this set, he just gets overshadowed by the likes of Amazo, Despero, Superman...etc. Thanks for the quick response.

[Remjer]

Nice fig with good powers,

maybe a little expesnsive for what he does though.

also like many other have said......how would Luther not have these abilites without the stone, sounds like's a normal Luthor to me as well

as a uniquie he should have maybe had punch to him?

[DaLuvster89]

I'm kinda luke warm about this fig. 69 points for a guy to Outwit... I dunno. Unless the new generic Anti-Superman figs can take a decent hit, it'll be tough to viably surround him w/ Intergang agents. Their dials are too shallow, and they are a tad too pricey for Mastermind fodder, IMHO.
I'm going to reserve my judgement 'till I get to see him in action, though.

Now Sgt. Rock - there's a nice Mastermind fig... :)

[Brainiac 16]

All I have to say is uck. I wait a whole week to see a preview of quite possibly the worst heroclix piece ever. I remember making a post a few weeks ago about the poor quality of these previews. I wonder if I can find that. He fits perfectly into the group of DC villains that run around perplexing and outwitting, but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

[DerangedHermit]

Hmm, what figure will I use my last 69 points for on a team? Vet Hawk or Lex?
Hmmmm.... ;)

[Baron_Thing]

To me, giving a Super-Enemy outwit is like giving a Bat-Ally stealth or a Skrull shape-change. It's redundent with a capitol d'uh.
I would have rather seen a different power, say something that actually make it seem like Lex with Stone. . . I'm thinking a clix or two of mind control or everyone's favorite incapactate?

[Scipio]

I'd agree that his stats seem to be those of a normal Lex. I would like to have seen a normal Lex, as described, and then another Lex with the Whirligog and boatloads of power.

I love the idea mentioned of painting the Whirligog green as a lump of kryptonite. If I get an extra Luthor I'll do that and pput poison on his dial....

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by Ghost_Rider
The only thing I don't like is that the write up states that because of the Philosopher's Stone, Lex has some powers "that he might not normally have."

Huh???

I'm sorry, but the Lex Luthor that I know and am familiar with doesn't need a Stone to give him Mastermind, Leadership, Perplex, and Outwit. These are all powers he has any day of the week! Sheesh..

Ghost

I agree with what you have to say here. I am very disappointed with this "Philosopher's Stone" Lex. It seems that he should've gotten more powers, though I've yet to read this story arc.

[daredevil11]

Like the figure. Dials a little pricy, too bad he's a unique (he's such a staple character). If I pull em I'll be ecstatic, if I don't, I guess I'll have to pass on him.

[drgnoftyr]

well that gives us somthing to look forward to in battle armor lex

[DTM]

I agree with you all above about giving Lex "powers he wouldnt normally have" He has 4 powers and ALL of them are ones hed have, sans Philosophers Stone. This is a VASTLY powerful item, which could have been used to augment Lex stats to a much higher level, making him worthy of a deserved Superman AE base. But instead hes made with no such PS powers, and looking at his stats in the Units section here, his AV and DV.....well, they really STINK. TOo bad I was really looking for a nice REV Lex in this set.

[sol]

Originally posted by Ghost_Rider
The only thing I don't like is that the write up states that because of the Philosopher's Stone, Lex has some powers "that he might not normally have."

Huh???

I'm sorry, but the Lex Luthor that I know and am familiar with doesn't need a Stone to give him Mastermind, Leadership, Perplex, and Outwit. These are all powers he has any day of the week! Sheesh..

Ghost

While I agree, Ghost Rider, I will say he wouldn't have Mastermind all the way down the dial.

Originally posted by StudebakerHawk
this piece is very interesting but it brings up a question, if Lex is on one of his last two clix's (with outwit) and next to an intergang agent, is he allowed to outwit two seperate powers or is his team ability negated by his existing superpower? just wondering, I haven't checked the FAQ yet I wonder if it is in there... If anyone knows help me out because if he is able to have double outwit that would be a killer combo.

Lex would have to be the lesser point figure to benefit from two Outwit powers. Hopefully, he'll have one more lesser point figure to Mastermind damage to on another adjacent square.

[GeorgeDaGreat]

BEAUTIFUL!

JUST BEUTIFUL!

This is IMO the best preview we have seen yet and is ironically the last. I guess "saving the best for last" is a real expression.

One thing that bothers me though. He is 69 points. So that means he will not be able to mastermind to R Swamp Thing which is a very poplular Mastermind piece. At least w/ me.

So I guess the only good Mastermind piece he could do it too is R Solomon Grundy. 2 clix of KO for only 48 points is a steal but his movement rate is awful.

All in all a great piece and the best preview yet!:laugh:

[freakazoid_x]

Sayyyy shouldn't he have the Injustice League team ability since the only time he had the stone was when he lead the Injustice league?

[Glen Quagmire]

For folks who haven't read "Rock Of Ages" (and you should do so ASAP -- it's good) , the Philosopher's Stone pretty much gives its user the ability to do anything. We actually don't see Lex use the Stone much, but the key role of the Stone is that it will be needed to stave off a worldwide invasion of Earth by Darkseid.

That being the case, I don't think it would have been out of line for Luthor to have a major attack value on his first click; I'd say 12. Zip it back down to puny level after his first click; just assume that whoever damages him manages to destroy the Stone in the process.

I can't understand for the life of me how the guy who typed up that blurb did so with a straight face. :ermm:

[lancelot]

[i]Originally posted by GeorgeDaGreat [/i

One thing that bothers me though. He is 69 points. So that means he will not be able to mastermind to R Swamp Thing which is a very poplular Mastermind piece. At least w/ me.

[/B]

doesnt impervious NOT work against mastermind since impervious requires being a target of an attack?

Lancelot

[Noman]

The dial sounds fine to me, but the sculpt ???

Aaaaaargh - what where they thinking ?

If we were going to have Luthor, I would have thought the Kingdom Come etc visual would be better. Slimline Luthor ?
I think not.

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Prophet924]

Man Lex stinks! Nick Fury costs less and is more useful as a support piece. I am a Marvel fan but even I think Lex Luthor should be a better support piece than Nick Fury. . . I mean he gives Superman & Batman fits. . .

Oh well.

[Brigadier M]

I saw Lex a couple weeks ago when I guy I know brought one back from Philly. I clicked through his dial and thought, OMG! It's Commissioner Gordon at twice the price!

Sorry, JonL, but I really don't see myself ever playing this piece. Unless I can set up a fun game where everyone plays a team of scrubs. Cops v LexCorp v Checkmate etc., In tournament play this fig has almost no value.

M!

[DTM]

And this is LEX LUTHOR, one of the most classic comic book villians of all time.....for shame.

[bizzaro]

Wow ... lots of folks dissing Lex. Any character that has both Outwit and Perplex is pretty good in my book. Though, with the philosopher's stone I'd have given him a few clicks of probability control.

I checked him out in Philly at wizards World East and swear ...unless my eyes were playing tricks on me ... that he was a member of the injustice league, NOT Superman Arch Enemy.

I think the team affiliation with this review is incorrect (and you'll find it to be IL once the set comes out).

I'm ticked he's not REV .. Wizkids is trying to bankrupt me.

[Manchine]

This is perfect. He is a little better then I would say the average Lex. This Lex works great. His stats are right where they should be. He has extra powers that he normally wouldnt have (Mastermind down the whole dial and perplex).

The only bad thing is Mastermind and Superman Enemy. You cant mastermind on a higher point fig but you need a higher point fig to make Full use of Superman Enemy.

[Manchine]

bizzaro, looked on Ebay long time ago. They had Lex picture with Superman Enemy.

[Boy Blunder]

Originally posted by Noman
The dial sounds fine to me, but the sculpt ???

Aaaaaargh - what where they thinking ?

If we were going to have Luthor, I would have thought the Kingdom Come etc visual would be better. Slimline Luthor ?
I think not.



I agree.

The sculpt to me looks like Daddy Warbucks or something. Where's Annie at?!?! :laugh:

[DTM]

Originally posted by Manchine
This is perfect. He is a little better then I would say the average Lex. This Lex works great. His stats are right where they should be. He has extra powers that he normally wouldnt have (Mastermind down the whole dial and perplex).

The only bad thing is Mastermind and Superman Enemy. You cant mastermind on a higher point fig but you need a higher point fig to make Full use of Superman Enemy.

Manchine, you think his stats are perfect and that he wouldnt normally have abilities as Mastermind and Perplex? Surely you jest, good sir.

[Sinister SID]

Originally posted by freakazoid_x
Sayyyy shouldn't he have the Injustice League team ability since the only time he had the stone was when he lead the Injustice league?

That's what I want to know -- why would they make a Unique Lex from "Rock of Ages" and NOT make him IL?

WTH?!?

If you're going to make a normal R/E/V Lex or a Lex from another plotline then, sure, make him Superman Enemy by all means (and make him Supes' AE too), but don't kick all the Injustice League fans (all dozen of us :) ) in the back by making him Rock of Ages and not IL......

I really don't care what stats and powers he has.....I would have been mega-happy if he had been IL! (Another play-mate for Black Manta!)

Oh well, back to crying in my soup.....

[Bluebeard]

Well certainly not a piece I'd ever seriously play. I'll play him a few times in fun games, he is Lex after all, but I was really hoping he'd be a useful lex to have on a team. Especially since he's a unique and I could've pulled Superman, Manhunter, or Bizzaro instead of 69 point support piece.

Experienced Steel- 70 points
Veteran Catwoman- 68 points
Veteran Nightwing- 72 points
Veteran Hawk- 69 points
Experienced Solomon Grundy- 69 points, Veteran- 75 points

And this isn't including all of the GREAT r/e/v figures in CJ.

You've got so many better choices out there, why would you ever use this piece outside of a themed game. If I ever run into a Lex team at a tournament I'll be a very happy man.

[GeorgeDaGreat]

Originally posted by lancelot
doesnt impervious NOT work against mastermind since impervious requires being a target of an attack?

Lancelot

Lancelot impervious isn't the reason I use it. Its because of the 11 clix of life. I mean just wow.

[MarkStewart]

I'm very excited about this figure, he looks great and he's ideally suited to do just what Lex does: sit back and affect the outcome.

[MarkStewart]

I'm very excited about this figure, he looks great and he's ideally suited to do just what Lex does: sit back and affect the outcome.

[Boy Blunder]

It's like deja vu all over again.

[Lex Luthor]

I'm really disappointed at how they designed me. I mean compare to Nick Fury: stealth so isnt hit often = my mastermind, we both have leadership, and also outwit later in the dial. But his stats are way better, plus no one really likes him, so why would anyone like my fig if it is worse?!

Aaarrrrgggghhhh!!! MISS TESCHMACHER! :mad:

[DTM]

HA, thats funny. I think she just wants to get it on with one of the guy guys, Lex. Let her go.

[Christo]

The only thing that could have made him better (more Lex-like) is for him to have Mastermind, Perplex, Outwit and Leadership on the same click. Sadly, in heroclix, that's not gonna happen.

But I like the idea of choosing a power (leadership or perplex), getting an Intergang or two next to him, and staying on that click thanks to Mastermind. The ultimate in support clix -- just don't let him into the fight.

[JustFrodo]

North, Miss Teschmacher!

I'm gonna hafta chime in with the guys who think this fig is a little off. I wouldn't mind it so much if we had an R/E/V Luthor as well, but to make a Unique Lex from a specific story arc and then not reflect his powers from that story arc doesn't make sense. I agree with what's been pointed out already: mind control, prob control, IL instead of Supes Enemy, these would all fit a Rock of Ages Lex, so why not put them in?

Here's hoping the next Luthor is a get-your-hands-dirty kryptonite-wielding dynamic version.

[hudson20]

Originally posted by MarkStewart
I'm very excited about this figure, he looks great and he's ideally suited to do just what Lex does: sit back and affect the outcome.

Of course he affects the outcome of the battle. If you play him your pretty much guarenteed a loss. LOL

Lex could have been a bunch more useful without changing who he is. He could have been a low cost leadership guy. (I think DC depends on vet supes right now for cheap leadership.) To go with he helps behind the scenes He could have had stealth and perplex.(also somthing DC ain't got) He could simply of just been like an 8 point figure with the anti-superman ability. That way you can walk him up to one of your more expense anti superman guys and bam, instant outwit. Suddenly maybe parasite wouldn't be so horrible. (ok that's still not gonna happen)

None of those ideas would have changed the basic Idea that lex works behind the scenes instead of getting his hands dirty. Making a completely useless character because that's how they seem to be in comics is just pointless. Lex is not a hands on guy in the comics, but he's never been useless. He always has a plan. I say dump the mastermind and then make the character have some point to it. Otherwise why make it. 70 point and the only power showing is leadership. Someone at wizkids hates lex. Or maybe they jsut hate the leadership power. They keep giving to characters in the wrong way and jsut making them completely useless.

[Joe Kerr]

It looks like Lex will join the rest of the worthless Superman Enemy pieces stuffed under the bed.

Maybe I have not been following Lex for long enough, but, "abilities he wouldn't normally have."

Isn't he someone who is very smart? ie Outwit?
Hasn't he always been a leader? ie leadership
For some reason perplex fits him as well.
And he's always been an enemy of Superman.

So what are these things he shouldn't normally be able to do?
Why is he so many points? I thought V Kingpin was a waste. If I am going to put 70 points to a figure on my team, I kind of want him to be able to do something to help me win other than act as a shield. Sure he has leadership, but so does my V Doombot. He has perplex but so does half of Xplosion. Outwit is common in DC, so no big deal.

And why am I going to let him mastermind his damage off to my other characters when they are more usefull?

It's kind of like Riddler. When he has mastermind, he has no perplex. So why keep him around? That's why I like the LE Riddler.

[hudson20]

I have to keep going here...

If anything he should been the first character to have outwit starting and have anti-superman ability. He is always coming up with these grandiose plans. (like droping a building on the fortress of solitude FORM SPACE to pierce it's otherwise impenitrable force field.)

[Glen Quagmire]

Hudson said: (I think DC depends on vet supes right now for cheap leadership.)

That would be Aquaman, actually. Any version.

[Cliff Stockton]

It seems when WizKids gives a reason for why they made a certain version of a figure they don't usually to get it right.

If he is the Lex in a storyline with The Injustice League why doesn't he have the team ability? From the description of the piece and they way everyone is talking in this thread he certainly sounds lacking in the power deaprtment if he does indeed have the Philosopher's Stone. Not even a ranged attack? Maybe not make him ALL powerful but give him a little more to work with for a click or two.

They have done this with too many pieces already. Too bad it continues.

[Cliff Stockton]

One more thing...

Wish we could have seen a more interesting piece this week since it is the final preview. Very disappointing all-around.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by bizzaro
I checked him out in Philly at wizards World East and swear ...unless my eyes were playing tricks on me ... that he was a member of the injustice league, NOT Superman Arch Enemy.

I think the team affiliation with this review is incorrect (and you'll find it to be IL once the set comes out).


I know 2 guys who have Lex. He's Anti-Supes team. Would've made more sense for IL, I agree, but what's new?

M!

[Noman]

Originally posted by hudson20
Of course he affects the outcome of the battle. If you play him your pretty much guarenteed a loss. LOL

Thanks, hudson20

...made me laugh
...into my coffee
...onto the keyboard
...and my shirt
...which is now "yuck"

Mind you, you have a point...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Basil Elks]

I guess I'll post here now.

[cscottk]

Yeah, Lex should have IL and should be the Arch of Superman.

[jonkga]

OK, first of all, it would seem to me that the text implies that he has powers other that MM, O, and P, and that those other (not mentioned) powers were because of the philosphers stone.

Also, with the Anti-Supes ability, when two figs are next to each other, the highest point value fig gets Outwit. So, if he's next to a weenie, it doesn't do much good, as he already has outwit -- he can't get it twice. So, he should be next to a higher point value Anti-Supes or wildcard fig so that they will both have outwit. Or, keep a weenie next to him so that the team power kicks in for him when someone outwits his outwit power (as team powers can't be outwitted).

Jon