Indy HeroClix Sneak Peek - Arwyn

[Draddog]

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<TR><TD COLSPAN="3" ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="1"><B> Arwyn</B></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 037</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 31</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> None</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 038</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 37</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> None</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 039</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 43</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> None</TD></TR></TABLE><P><FONT SIZE="1">This is the heroine of <I>Sojourn</I> early in her career when she still carried a sword, but relied mostly on her skills with a bow. Arwyn has a habit of being very offense heavy at the start and then managing to sneak off at the end after things don’t go exactly like she’d hoped. She’s very good with her bow, but hasn’t yet gained Aden’s Bow, so her combat values reflect a skilled, but normal person. Her powers include Running Shot for a few clicks, eventually being replaced by Stealth. The only unusual thing on her dial is Willpower. Arwyn is bent on revenge and lets nothing stop her, I thought a couple clicks of Willpower would represent that nicely – plus it makes the figure that much more useful. There were some playtesters on the side of giving her multiple ranged attacks, but I just don’t see it. In the books she tends to get one shot off at a time, not multiples. Would it have made the character more useful? Undoubtedly. Would it have been accurate? No.</TD></TR></TABLE>

[shin-goji]

Sweet Monkey Christmas! A non BCF IndyClix!

[CyberVenom]

LOL! What I'm wondering is if Arwyn here will have Willpower and RCE on the same click. Could be nasty....

[bluebeetle]

they can't bed used together but hey

[drgnoftyr]

pretty kool... hmmm..... should be interesting to play

[sniksder]

Never heard of her , which Indy book is she from ?

[Tylk]

Of course, she is only really decent if those few clicks of willpower are during the running shot clicks....

[bluebeetle]

sojourn

[SteelKnight92]

Well, thing are starting to get a little mor interesting. A possible Running Shot/Will Power. She would certainly be more then help on a few of the range teams I like to make.
:)

[Manchine]

I can make team Bow. Hawkeye, Green Arrow, and now Arwyn.

:laugh: :p ;)

[GeorgeDaGreat]

Nice!:classic:

[shin-goji]

You can't make any team with Hawkeye :)

[Canada Maestro]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Sweet Monkey Christmas! A non BCF IndyClix!

Are you sure? It did say she was carrying a sword. ;)

[bladesword]

hey manchine don't forget huntress she carries a crosbow

[Spyder's Web]

The accuracy parts BS, since some Marvle and DC figs got jipped BIG TIME (cough cough, Spider-Man, cough, Batgirl). If Wizkids does this with Indy, they'd BETTER do it with Marvel and DC, cause so many figs need to fixed.

[DaLuvster89]

Not bad. Nice point spread. Seems highly playable w/ Running Shot and Willpower. But where is her bow? Nit-picky, I know, but...

[Deathlok23]

So that means the one in the flyer is her Unique version with the magical bow. Can you say Running Shot with Energy Explosion? I knew you could;)

[Colesy Kid]

I am not very impressed with her...oh well I will wait until next week

[Darth Sabre]

Yaaawwwwn!

I guess RS and Willpower on the same click might be alright-if they are on the same click and he numbers are worth something.............

[CquinnO27]

Seems like almost every figure in the Indy line has BCF.

[Spyder's Web]

Probably.

[Darth Sabre]

Well, I guess we were thinking about RS and WP together-what about WP and B/C/F? Make her real impressive, and add in Flurry-YIKES!

Not that they did do that with her. But I really haven't seen anything that knocks my socks off about this set..........

So far, my interest in obtaining a case is waivering, at best--this set looks to stink real bad--especially since all we've seen are B/C/F'ers, and there is no reason to doubt, that this Arwyn isn't one more -even if they didn't mention it.

[PantherPriest]

Cool seems nice, sculpt looks a little goofy. She probably does have blades. I'll definitely play her. This set seems kind of cool.

Shin-goji dems fightin words. I hereby challenge you to a heroclix playbypost to defend the right of hawkeye master archer.

[malchyor]

nice to hear that the playtester's comments were heard though, even if the designer disagreed (cuz i'm a playtester and gave him exactly those comments....).

[PantherPriest]

you want bcf and willpower, go with weapon X.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
Cool seems nice, sculpt looks a little goofy. She probably does have blades. I'll definitely play her. This set seems kind of cool.

Shin-goji dems fightin words. I hereby challenge you to a heroclix playbypost to defend the right of hawkeye master archer.

Fine, I get to use my master archer, Sentinel Mark VII :)

[PantherPriest]

Man, that sentinel can suck it. I am so tired of you talking about that dang Sentinel. Ok fine that makes it big like 300+ I got no problem with that.

[Redleg]

"Arwyn is bent on revenge and lets nothing stop her, I thought a couple clicks of Willpower would represent that nicely."

I wonder if this means Frank Castle will get Willpower when he finally makes his debut.

Yeah...I know this is an Indy preview...but let's face it: This set is boring as all hell. At least it helps me speculate about future Marvel...

[PantherPriest]

I actually find this set kind of interesting. Kind of.

But yes Frank Castle should definitely have willpower, that would rock.

[m1s1n]

We really haven't seen the numbers on the dials yet, so we shouldn't draw any forgone conclusions. I still argue that a character isn't completely comprised of their powers. Just because this set is currently lacking a fruity-pebbles assortment of dials doesn't mean that it is going to be boring.

As for the character I think that WP and RS followed up by stealth will make for an interesting strategy--especially considering the relatively low cost of the character.

[Kaitouace]

It's also pretty dull that so far (at least officially) all the Uniques are just other versions of existing R/E/Vs. We've seen the Abbey Chase and there's definitely a Unique Hellboy, Witchblade, and Arwyn. Most like a Shi Unique as well. Never liked the sets that had too many R/E/Vs and Uniques at the same time. I feel a bit jipped since it could have been a whole new character as that Unique and not random superhero with a magic shoe he found one time.

[EvilGenius]

Well, if the Unique Arwen is the one with the bow, then they had to do something different with the REV. I hope that they did indeed put running shot and willpower on the same clicks. If not, the figure might still be an okay support figure, but it'll depend on the stats. If she has Running Shot up front, a decent attack value of 9 and 2 damage, then she could be a pretty useful low point ranged figure. Then when she switches to stealth, if she also has Willpower at that point, it helps her get away to a medic. That would be a pretty good fig.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
Man, that sentinel can suck it. I am so tired of you talking about that dang Sentinel. Ok fine that makes it big like 300+ I got no problem with that.
Hee hee hee hee.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
I feel a bit jipped since it could have been a whole new character as that Unique and not random superhero with a magic shoe he found one time.

A very accurate portrayal of what we've seen :)

[raphael76]

I can agree to a point, but then I'm not sure how many options they would have for Uniques in this set. They are drawing from universes that don't have a laundry list of characters, Top Cow being the possible exception. So, realistically, they can either make unique versions of the primary fig from each universe, or introduce uniques of more obscure characters from that universe. Either way I have a feeling people would complain. Either because its another version of an REV fig, or because they didn't know who the heck the person was. And personally, I've heard too many people complaining about how they don't know who many of these figures are, so it would make sense to me to not add to that particular problem by throwing out uniques that people will be even less familiar with. But hey, I could be wrong :p

[EvilGenius]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
I feel a bit jipped since it could have been a whole new character as that Unique and not random superhero with a magic shoe he found one time.

Do not dis my magic shoe, mortal! When I rule all, I will crush you beneath it's twinkly fairy heel!!! Feel my wrath! FEEL IT!!!

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by shin-goji
A very accurate portrayal of what we've seen :)

Yeah it stinks... because they never did that with Marvel...
Cyclops didn't have an REV and Unique... oh wait
well Captain America didn't... hmmm
how about Professor X? oh yeah...
Juggernaut?
Spiderman?
Jean Grey? (Phoenix counts!)
Wolverine?
Shadowcat?
Elektra?
Wasp?

hmm looks like Marvel takes the cake when it comes to REV and Uniques being the same character. In fact 8 out of the 12 uniques in the very first set were examples of this! :p

Marvel got better about doing stuff like this, and I'm sure Indy Clix will too once the "big names" are out of the way.

[PantherPriest]

I have at least SEEN Arywyn and Danger Girl before.

My problem with cosmic justice is that I had not seen, heard or given a flying waffle about 60-90% of the figures. I got 30 of em or less and the rest I'm like "Starman? who the hell?"

[Glen Quagmire]

We all have our thresholds for what we'll recognize from each company, and I don't think we'd have more than two sets from either Marvel or DC if they tried to meet everyone's thresholds.

You hadn't heard of Starman, PantherPriest? That means you haven't read at least two of DC's most notable ongoing series from the last decade. It's kinda like someone not recognizing Cable and saying that WK was using obscure Marvel characters.

[Grinner]

Daedalus25 -

If Jeannie/Phoenix counts, so does Hulk/Fixit/Savage Hulk.

PantherPriest -

Starman ran for about 6 years and was one of the most critically acclaimed series DC put out for its entire run.

Yes, some of the CJ figures are obscure (Fatality anyone?), but there are plenty of high-profile characters too (Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Penguin, Poison Ivy, Lex Luthor, Green Lantern - and that's only counting cartoons). For those who read DC most of the figures were familiar.

Personally I haven't seen or read many of the characters we've heard confirmation for in Indy. Unless there are some great stats on 'em I'll get a starter for the maps & rules, then trade or buy the few I want.

[garlinghouse]

Oh please, I am so tired of "I haven't heard of so and so" You can read about these characters in their books, and if you are too cheap or maxed out buying boosters to throw down for a book, many of these characters are online in free ecomics versions. Try it you may like it. :classic:

[PantherPriest]

I'm not calling him obscure, I'm just saying I don't know him and he has a lame dial. It's no big deal to me. I don't read DC besides two books, (was 4) And if I don't know the character I don't buy them. See I know that fatality is at least John Stewarts nemesis and she got her planet exploded and wants revenge on all GLs; decent dial worth collecting.

Another example is Cheetah. I don't know #### about her, except that she is a Wonderwoman villian and she attacks wonderwoman in the jungle and stuff; decent dial worth collecting.

Starfire. She um has long hair... and is a teen titan... and... will be traded for a Vet Green Arrow.

[PantherPriest]

I've heard of Starman and I saw him once in this boring tpb (JLA vs. Titans or something like that) but I don't know enough to actually say like his secret identity or his powers or why he has a big stick. I'm sure he's good, I just don't care cuz I don't know him.

[TychesCoin]

I think the REV+U treatment of alot of the major figures of each set is a recognition on wizkids part that alot of players are only going to be try to get one or two lines out of indyclix. Hellnoy fans are gonna keep buying (maybe not boosters, but atleast singles) until they get the hellboy unique. Same logic for arwyn, witchblade, and whoever else they do it for.

I've actually become more interested in the set due to the previews. I was originally planning on just grabbing a starter and the hellboy singles, now I'm beginning to think I want the whole set. It just looks like a very different game than the marvel dc set so far I don't think we've seen any character over 60 pt and we've already seen some of the major heroes in the set. I don't expect the normal number of generics and I think the set might be light on flyers. Whether it winds up being as fun or not, I thnk indy only games are gonna be played much differently than marvel or dc.

On a side note, is this the first non-affiliated figure we've seen?

[Eric Qel-Droma]

Not giving Arwyn a bow is like making the STANDARD Captain America figure without a shield.

What a crock.

Eric

[PantherPriest]

thats what I'm talking about Indy has a feel to it. That's what I don't like about DC sets and even CT to some extent, there isn't any dominant feel to the set, and if there is it doesn't click with me. Indyclix seems to have a feel. And since I don't know anyone I care much less about who they mess up and who shouldn't team up with who.

Notice that we haven't seen any AE's yet?

[gelf13]

Cable? Who's that? I got Cable tv at my house... like that?:grin:
(jk)

[darius_dax1]

I have not read most of this thread so I am sorry if someone already said this but....

"Who forgot to put this piece in Infinity Challenge???"

What an absolutely horrible sculpt!

And the description for the powers really makes me mad! I don't want Arwyn to be a rookie on her Experienced and Veteran versions as well.

[TyeDyeSamurai]

So does Arwyn the archer get the Lord of the Rings team ability?

I guess they're saving the cool booster-sellers for the final few previews.
I was excited at first, but with each succesive preview I feel myself mutating into shin-goji. :cheeky:

[Ignatz_Mouse]

How can you know Arwyn and not Starman? He had his own comic for years!

I'm definitely fighting the apathy factor with the characters we've seen so far. Danger Girl? Never interested, generic adventure pin-up book. Witchblade, ditto. Ian who? Oh, from Witchblade. Now Arwyn, again, *who*?

I was looking forward to Judge Dredd, Hellboy, Kabuki, and some surprises (still hoping for a Milk and a Cheese...) but instead we are getting the most generic figures of the whole game.

The Indies I would really like to see are extremely unlikely-- Nexus, Miracleman (snowball in hell chances), and the ABC line, the Wildstorm characters. But that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I can still dream about a Greyshirt clix, a Tom Strong, a Pangean, a Promethia...

[EmperorNorton]

I begin to wonder how we will be able to tell the generics from the named characters in this set, they seem to be so weak.

EmperorNorton

[sudro2]

Originally posted by darius_dax1
I have not read most of this thread so I am sorry if someone already said this but....

"Who forgot to put this piece in Infinity Challenge???"

What an absolutely horrible sculpt!

And the description for the powers really makes me mad! I don't want Arwyn to be a rookie on her Experienced and Veteran versions as well.

Yeah, what's up with that? the designer's note states that "this is Arwyn before she got Ayden's bow." Didn't she get Ayden's bow in, like, the SECOND issue of the series? Is there really enough of a character arc in those first couple of issues to justify a full REV spectrum? And didn't she mostly use a mundane bow before receiving Ayden's anyway?

Gonna be some moddin' goin' on when I get these figures.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

How can you say Clobbering TIme didn't have a feel to it? It was the freakin' Fantastic Four set-- had the whole team plus villians!

[shin-goji]

Mmmmmm, 43 points of suck :laugh:

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Shin-goji: No Herolix yet? You're slowing down!

[redskindavyd]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
How can you know Arwyn and not Starman? He had his own comic for years!

I'm definitely fighting the apathy factor with the characters we've seen so far. Danger Girl? Never interested, generic adventure pin-up book. Witchblade, ditto. Ian who? Oh, from Witchblade. Now Arwyn, again, *who*?

I was looking forward to Judge Dredd, Hellboy, Kabuki, and some surprises (still hoping for a Milk and a Cheese...) but instead we are getting the most generic figures of the whole game.

The Indies I would really like to see are extremely unlikely-- Nexus, Miracleman (snowball in hell chances), and the ABC line, the Wildstorm characters. But that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I can still dream about a Greyshirt clix, a Tom Strong, a Pangean, a Promethia...

Arwyn who? Arwyn is the main character of the CrossGen book Sojourn. Sojourn is a top 100 selling comic book that outsells characters like Judge Dredd & Hellboy and quite a few Marvel & DC titles. So if you people don't know who she is, then get off your butts and head down to the comic store and pick up a Sojourn trade paperback & enjoy a great story with outstanding artwork. (check out www.comicsontheweb.com as well for some free & cheap online issues of all Cross-Gen's books.) There, I feel better now.

[Genin]

*sobs silently in the corner*

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
Shin-goji: No Herolix yet? You're slowing down!

She's so bland it sucks all the creativity out of me. Besides, my hemmroid hero-lix is pretty good for now :)

[Glen Quagmire]

Eric said: Not giving Arwyn a bow is like making the STANDARD Captain America figure without a shield.

I have to agree. Nearly every significant piece of Sojourn artwork I've seen has Arwyn with a bow and arrow. I'd have to re-read "From the Ashes" to recall how much she used a sword, because it certainly doesn't stand out.

I hate to make a mountain out of a molehill, but this could be a deal breaker for me. I was going to buy an Indyclix starter just for the chance of getting an Arwyn. I'll show this pic to my daughter, who'd really want the figure, and if she says it doesn't look like Arwyn w/o the bow, then I won't bother at all with a starter.

[Genin]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
(still hoping for a Milk and a Cheese...)

Milk with Mind Control, Incapacitate, Willpower and Perplex with three arrows. Cheese with Charge, Blades/Claws/Fangs, Willpower and Probability Control ;P

[Batman1983]

Originally posted by gelf13
Cable? Who's that? I got Cable tv at my house... like that?:grin:
(jk)

I've got cable intenet Captain!

Oh & yes Arwyn w/o a bow, but w/ Running shot.... "I'm going to run at you & throw my sword!" I think the reviewer should have just said... "This represent Arwyn in the months following her tragedy, but before she met 'one-eye' & was gifted w/ Aidyn's bow.... REVs are ment to suk so you'll go buy our Uniques." At least then we'd flame him less for being honest.....

Forgive me JonL!!!!

PS> Gelf... We shall overcome!

[TychesCoin]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
How can you say Clobbering TIme didn't have a feel to it? It was the freakin' Fantastic Four set-- had the whole team plus villians!

I think what he meant is CT didn't really have a feel in terms of gameplay not character inclusion. In my opinion thats ok, CT was an expansion so its primary purpose was to fit in with IC. However indy is looking like it will stick out from marvel and dc in game play which interests me. HT stood out from marvel because of the generally lower stats (especially in my opinion the intial shortage of 10 range) plus the distinctive team abilites. The two sets feel different when you play single universe games.

Indy looks like its gonna stand out in its own way and the more figures I see the more I'm curious about just how different its gonna be. So far the figures seem cheaper, are the savings gonna come at the expense of stats or powers or both? Who in indy is gonna fly? Are there gonna be any free move flyers? What if the only flyers are 100+ pt characters? Are we gonna see the normal number of generics or will the set be almost entirely named figures? Will there be a wildcard team ability?

If the only flyers are fairly expensive and there aren't alot of generics (specifically no 8-20 pt medics) the game is going to play very differently than your typical marvel/dc game.

Also so far indy has a general feel of being a set of normal humans with just that little something special. Granted we haven't seen some of the more supernatural figures yet (like hellboy), but its seems to primarily be a set of fairly normal humans each with their own method of combat and a few tricks. I think it could make for a pretty interesting game with more balanced team than the fairly common marvel teams with 70 points for taxies, 20-50 for some support, pc, perplex and or outwit and then the remaing bit for combat pieces.

[Kaitouace]

Sounds like this fig should be the Unique and Arwyn with the bow should be the R/E/V.

[Darth Sabre]

Sounds to me like this line of HC, has an otherwise dull future! :p

PantherPriest: Starman is Jeff Bridges, dude! didn't you see the movie? :rolleyes: sheesh....lol

[bwanabwana]

wow. Boring.

[Batman1983]

The following is not a personal attack:


Boring? Saying bwanabwana all day till your mouth dries up. Now thats boring.... or Psycosis.... Beats me

[peterzilla]

OH NO!!
Another MK preview in the Heroclix realm!!
well the sculpt look ok... for a MageKnight set.

well I still feel very positive about the set so far sarcasm aside. IT's nice to see something different then DC OR Marvel but what's killing me with anticipation is the soon to be released new set of rules. Well I hope it's for the better!!

[CandySuxxx]

sweet!

[shin-goji]

Ok, so she's a ranged character. With a short sword. And she's a good archer. But she doesn't have a bow. She's got Running Shot. But nothing on the figure to represent it.

Would you release the IC Bullseye with a pimento loaf in his hands instead of a gun or knife which could be thrown? I'm sure it would be even more insulting if Firelord had oven mitts on his hands instead of his flaming staff. Maybe Thanos should get rereleassed with the Infinity Cookie Jar.

[shin-goji]

Sooooo, should we now start running higgeldy piggeldy for the hills until they release a decent IndyClix preview? I'm just glad I'm not on WK's payroll. I'd hate to promote this. I don't even know if I'll bother running an IndyClix marquee.

[Masada]

Definitely take the bow from a Hawkeye and put in in Arwyn's hand instead of that stupid dagger.

I hate that the uniques are all cool, but the REVs are awful.


Plus, I HAVEN'T SEEN A DECENT PAIR OF EYES PAINTED ON ANY OF THE FIGURES?!

[peterzilla]

come on guys!
you are nitpicking, it's not that bad.This line is only beginning and the'll be a decent Arwyn unique for her fan in the set I'm sure of it.She is practicly a Wolverine before he have is adamantium skeleton and discover he has claws ...hum wait! That doesn't explain why she doesn't have a bow to represent her running shot ability oh well...
And for the eye matter maybe it's the Black Cat, Psylocke syndhrome...

[shin-goji]

Ok, after about 15 PM's and emails, here's yer bloody Hero-Lix! Dag! My fans, ladies and gentlemen :)
http://www.neomonsterisland.com/herolix/comic/018/018.jpg

[manipulation]

almost as interesting as that ian whosit fellow with the HUUUUGEIGEUGSHGUE sword. this arwyn character might be high-profile, but the sculpt is boring, and besides a few assumptions we've made from an ambiguous description of her dial, she doesn't seem to bring anything new or exciting to the game.

i just want to see more hellboy, since it doesn't look like the maxx or anyone from bone will make it to the set.

[Rake]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Ok, so she's a ranged character. With a short sword. And she's a good archer. But she doesn't have a bow. She's got Running Shot. But nothing on the figure to represent it.

Well you could bag out more than one figure using this approach. Like the Hand Ninja with the Nun-chuku. Big deal if he has a little crossbow on his belt...put it in his frigging hands for christ sake if you want to show that he has a range attack. Dove has CCE and can dish out 2+2 damage. Not bad for a chick who looks like she weighs 80lbs and couldn't fight her way out of a paper bag. Eclipso has two swords...no BCF...WTF???

Yes...so far the set looks dull, but I think up until now with already had 5 whole sets in some way we've been spoilt by all those cool figures that either have christmas trees for dials or are specialists with some fat powers/damage/attack values. If one is only interested in arse kicking tournament figures than go through your sets and think about all the figures you don't play on a regular basis and I'm sure there is a stack of them.

I don't read comics at all. A friend introduced me to the game and I've been hooked since. I've spent a lot of money, so that's the only thing that will stop me from buying this set.

[peterzilla]

I GIVE UP:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You hit the spot with your parody but I can't help to be sad for poor Arwyn and Ian because they won't last long in the Mageknight universe...Heroclix in MK equall deadmeat.

:grin: quote:
Sooooo, should we now start running higgeldy piggeldy for the hills until they release a decent IndyClix preview? -shin-goji

Let's run for the hill!!

[Batman1983]

JonL: Don't shoot till you see the white of their eyes!


















Obscure bunker hill reference....

[TyeDyeSamurai]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Ok, after about 15 PM's and emails, here's yer bloody Hero-Lix! Dag! My fans, ladies and gentlemen :)
http://www.neomonsterisland.com/herolix/comic/018/018.jpg

Seriously... it's as if Indy Clix previews are made out of the Mage Knight 2.0 'outtakes'.

[shin-goji]

Ok, I'm gonna come out and say it. Chaos Comics would have been the driving force of IndyClix. There is where we would have seen a consistant league of figures over 100 points WITH flight. Then Chaos went belly up and the figures had to be abandoned. Let's face it, 90% of all IndyClix seem to be nothing more than high priced agents.

[Genin]

I would have loved to see Ernie :\

[PantherPriest]

This just shows me how everyone plays and thinks. I don't play big superpowered figures because I like to be creative and don't like relying on sheer force of powers. I like the figures like Black Panther, Blade, Nick Fury, guys who don't really have much super powers but are determined to rock hard anyway. I would often try to make a team where Black Panther is the center, and I can't do that because of how the game is played.

In indyclix it seems I'll be able to do this. I frankly don't care about big pricy superpowered folks or cheap fliers because we have plenty of those. I like how this set is shaping up and I will gladly buy some. This game could change how the rest of heroclix is played just by its sheer difference in combat. This is very unlikely because nobodys going to play indyclix, they're just going to grab a few figs and sort them in with their marvel figures.

Arwyn without her sword is like hunting without an accordian.

[MisterId]

Would it have been accurate? No.

If Only They Had Disscovered Accuracy A Little Sooner

[FireLFighter]

Originally posted by MisterId
If Only They Had Disscovered Accuracy A Little Sooner

4 Spidey 4 example...

And I remain quiet 'til I see numbers. All that figs may have Invulnerability on the same click with Will Power and I don't buy them, if the Defence says 9 and the Attack 5.
But if they got no Skills at all, but Move 10 / Attack 14 / Defence 20 / Damage 5 I'll buy them all.
WTF are we discussing 'bout, we don't know sh#t 'bout this set...

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
Sounds to me like this line of HC, has an otherwise dull future! :p

PantherPriest: Starman is Jeff Bridges, dude! didn't you see the movie? :rolleyes: sheesh....lol
My understanding was that Starman in the comics was actually the son of the Jeff Bridges character in the movie. This is confirmed by the description by Whoclix --
STARMAN (Jack Knight)
Jack Knight had no interest in the legacy of Starman, preferring antiques to crime fighting. But when his brother David was murdered and his father, the original Starman, was injured, Jack reluctantly took up the cosmic rod to protect his beloved Opal City. The cosmic rod allows Jack to fly, blast energy bolts, levitate objects and create force fields. Over time, Jack grew into the role of a hero; battling villains Solomon Grundy, Mad Hatter and Rag Doll. His eclectic style gained him the respect and friendship of the Shade. Continuing in his father's footsteps, Jack ventured into space and became a member of the JSA. After the death of his father and the birth of his son, Jack passed the cosmic rod on to the Star-Spangled Kid, retired from super-heroics and hopefully, lived happily ever after.
PS - Scramble Arwyn and you get Yawnr!?!? Coincidence? I think not!

[Clix776]

Originally posted by FireLFighter
WTF are we discussing 'bout, we don't know sh#t 'bout this set... Well, we know that Arwyn, archer extraordinaire from her first appearance and before, holder of Ayden's bow for all but 1 issue of her series has been sculpted for her REV with a sword in hand and a bow back in her closet, evidently.

That is a pile of suck, is what it is, regardless of what numbers they put on her dial.

Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson

[chas_420]

Not liking the sculpt is one thing but I think the sets going to be alright as a whole. We've seen all o f half a dozen rev previews and everyone things all of them will be worthless. I think I could easily pick out a handful of rev's in any of the sets that are less than amazing, some of which are very popular figures. I do hope the quality of some of the previewed figures picks up a bit but I think it's far too early to think anything of the set, other than the lack of quality sculpts that is.

[TyeDyeSamurai]

Originally posted by chas_420
Not liking the sculpt is one thing but I think the sets going to be alright as a whole. We've seen all o f half a dozen rev previews and everyone things all of them will be worthless. I think I could easily pick out a handful of rev's in any of the sets that are less than amazing, some of which are very popular figures. I do hope the quality of some of the previewed figures picks up a bit but I think it's far too early to think anything of the set, other than the lack of quality sculpts that is.

The thing is, these previews are supposed to psyche us up for the set. They should be a broad representation of the kinds of characters we want to buy cases over.

So far it's been Yoga Lady, Guy with Toothpick, Prom Queen and Elven Thief.

[Funky Jett]

As I said above...

Arwyn can be scrambled into Yawnr ... no coincedence there.

[Drashia]

I missed Yoga lady??!

Where's the ice cream seller or The Janitor?

[TyeDyeSamurai]

Originally posted by Drashia
I missed Yoga lady??!

Where's the ice cream seller or The Janitor?

They're being held over for
"Indy Clix 2: When Clix Disappoint"

[TheLion]

Originally posted by Funky Jett
As I said above...

Arwyn can be scrambled into Yawnr ... no coincedence there.

It wasn't funny the first time...

... or the second.

Why don't you try for three?

[chas_420]

Exactly they need to build up excitement so they start with some weak figures that no one's going to care about first. Then as it gets closer to release they realese better figures so that excitement mounts just before the relese of the set.

[NeoFascist]

Well, the first three previews have been utterly dissapointing. Building up excitement is one thing, but you don't should at least be moving slightly up in coolness, not down. Arwyn without her bow is the worst. I mean, and "R/E/V" set is meant for, well, her changes as a rookie, experienced, and veteran. Not for a rookie, an experienced rookie, and a veteran rookie.

[Clix776]

Originally posted by chas_420
Exactly they need to build up excitement so they start with some weak figures that no one's going to care about first. Then as it gets closer to release they realese better figures so that excitement mounts just before the relese of the set. See, that's the thing. I care about Arwyn. Sojourn is at or near the top of my reading pile in the week when it comes out. This figure should have me psyched, not complaining.

Indy Clix is a very dicey proposition because people who read Top Cow don't have to read Crossgen don't have to read Dark Horse. It's not like Marvel or DC, with their enormous universes. I really can't see any but the most die-hard comic book fan/ clixer being psyched over every character in an Indy Clix set. That being said, the figures should psych up those people who read and enjoy the associated comics. I should be here defending Arwyn from the nay-sayers, because I like Sojourn and I like Arwyn. But I'm not, and that's a problem.

Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson

[Kaitouace]

But that doesn't help hardcore players or collectors. They usually decide and place orders for cases early. Especially since Wizkids can't seem to keep decent supply when people order cases. So those who order lots of cases early get their stuff where people who order later or not as many cases don't get their stuff till sometimes weeks on in.

In my case the longer it takes me to decide on whether I want a case or not, the higher of a chance I won't bother. Sometimes if you wait TOO long then no matter what you pull out in the final weeks it won't be enough to sway people who've been bored for a month and a half with mediocre previews. Or they'll just decide to get the one or two cool figs that do pop up and be done with it.

Right now Indyclix is littered with a bunch of low to medium ranged characters, almost all who have stealth, incapacitate, BCF, or some combination of those powers. Just a bunch of martial artists with or with guns/swords. There are a few exceptions but that's the majority. Of course Marvel and DC have had their "heavy" sets with CJ and Incapacitate and Xplosion with Perplex but they had name recognition going for them which makes it easy to overlook. Indy doesn't have that luxury. Because while some of the hardcore fans know Judge Dredd, Witchblade, Danger Girl, etc. the average guy (especially the kids) won't have a clue.

I'm still interested in the overall direction of Indyclix but this is IMO a bad start. Lots of weak/medium level characters compared to Marvel/DC with a lot of the same powers. At best this may turn into a supplement set for mixed games for those who want more options for close combat teams. At least it's smart to package the Starters with the new rules and new maps so that insures that at least the Starters will sell.

But Indyclix is doomed by not actually having the Independent franchises that would have sold the set. If they could have gotten their hands on Spawn alone (impossible I know) that would have increased the sales by a ton. TMNT would have been a very good franchise too (also near impossible) because of their lasting appeal and current cartoon series. Even Savage Dragon would have been good because that would have guaranteed a nice variety of figs. Looking at preliminary lists, just how many fliers or even Super Strength figs are in Indyclix?

They really need to try to get some better licenses for the next installment. They've got a few good ones but a lot of them are past their prime. Stuff like Witchblade, Darkness, Danger Girl, and Shi would have guaranteed sales maybe a year or two ago but they hardly turn heads now. But with Indy Comics being so hard to get "toy or figure" licensing rights to I don't see how that will happen. All the real good licenses are tied up already. And with Topps at the helm now, if Indy doesn't sell well right out of the gate it might not be around for a second try.

[chas_420]

I'm not a huge comic book fan so I'm far from excited about any of the characters in the set. I'm looking more for playability from this set (as opposed to the other sets where I know most of the characters). It does apear that many of the characters will be very similier, but other than getting better licenses Wizkids doesn't have a lot of control over that. They have to make the stats based on the characters. I do hope that they managed to get a bit more variety in the characters than the way things are looking though.

From a playability stand point, they really only need a dozen or so drastically different charcters to make a decent set. Acouple good taxis a cheap guy or two with PC, outwit, and support, and then a handful of good corner stone characters to build the team around. Hopefully we just haven't seen any of these yet...

[TychesCoin]

Originally posted by chas_420

From a playability stand point, they really only need a dozen or so drastically different charcters to make a decent set. Acouple good taxis a cheap guy or two with PC, outwit, and support, and then a handful of good corner stone characters to build the team around. Hopefully we just haven't seen any of these yet...

I have to disagree with your expectations of playability, chas_420. I don't think there will be any good taxies in indy which is going to force everyone to rethink how they play the game (assuming they choose to play indyclix only games). It my no means makes the game unplayable. I also don't see that many figures in the various lines that would top 100 pts (course there's a couple of the lines I don't know at all).

I don't think any of that is a bad thing. I think it distinguishes indy further and further from the other two lines which is the one thing thats gotten more interested in this set than as a hellboy fan. Sure leap/climb + BCF is that special, but if there aren't any cheap flyers in indy it takes on greater importance than say black panther's lc/bcf combo in marvel. Same thing will willpower and running shot whether they are on the same click or not, arwyn has two abilities that are greatly more valuable in the abscence of readily available flyers.

I think on of the important things to remember about indy is that officially wizkids still doesn't sanction mixed tournaments. Even though most of us will probably mix and match across universes, from wizkids perspective they're separate things. I just think the figures in indy should be judged in comparison to the rest of the line and not the other two.

On a another note, I don't think they've mentioned incapacitate at all.

[Masada]

Originally posted by Funky Jett
My understanding was that Starman in the comics was actually the son of the Jeff Bridges character in the movie.


I hope you're joking. There's no connection between the movie and the DC Comics Starman.

[Hack-n-slash]

Right now Indyclix is littered with a bunch of low to medium ranged characters, almost all who have stealth, incapacitate, BCF, or some combination of those powers. Just a bunch of martial artists with or with guns/swords. There are a few exceptions but that's the majority.

Well, that's to be expected from a Mage Knight expansion.
:rolleyes:

[LostKhance]

Why no Team affiliate?

[Batman1983]

Originally posted by LostKhance
Why no Team affiliate?

She isn't a Sigil bearer...

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
I've heard of Starman and I saw him once in this boring tpb (JLA vs. Titans or something like that) but I don't know enough to actually say like his secret identity or his powers or why he has a big stick. I'm sure he's good, I just don't care cuz I don't know him.

Well going by this and your previous post it's clear you don't read much DC...

Given that, a comment, that you didn't care much for a set cause it had an abundance of characters you didn't know isn't a very profound one.

You're free to make it of course, it just begs people to respond to it, particularly since your example of Starman was so weighted.

Starman was a character from the 40's...the current one is his son and in his adventures both in the JSA and his own series, figured prominently in some fairly impressive storylines...

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by TyeDyeSamurai
The thing is, these previews are supposed to psyche us up for the set. They should be a broad representation of the kinds of characters we want to buy cases over.

So far it's been Yoga Lady, Guy with Toothpick, Prom Queen and Elven Thief.

Just like to say that a trained guy with a rapier (a tiny sword in terms of width)...would whoop the ### of most fantasy barbarians with those hefty blades...

It doesn't take a yard of metal to kill a man...a few inches will do....

[Batman1983]

Originally posted by Jadehorde
Just like to say that a trained guy with a rapier (a tiny sword in terms of width)...would whoop the ### of most fantasy barbarians with those hefty blades...

It doesn't take a yard of metal to kill a man...a few inches will do....

I like to send my "few inches" out of a crossbow.... Gotta love the french... lol

[shin-goji]

Look, they'll never get Spawn. get over it.

McFarlane wanted them to use real cloth for the cape and real chains on the figure. Won Ton Fuey in Hong Kong, China isn't going to put that figure together for .03 a day. The cost of that one figure would drive up the cost of ALL IndyClix figures. McFarlane, perfectionist egomaniac that he is, didn't want to budge on the assembly of the figure so no Spawn. It's a terrible comic anyway.

Chaos would have been a major draw ffor IndyClix, with some decent fliers. But we all know why IndyClix won't see any Chaos Armies.

[Squee]

ill buy this for hellboy (i have just started reading and i am very impressed) and armored witchblade dont know too many other characters only indy conics i read are hellboy and JTHM
overall i am very dissapointed

[Kaitouace]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Look, they'll never get Spawn. get over it.

I was never on it. Just using it as an example to what it would take for this to actually sell well.

[CaptChip]

Arwyn without her bow... unthinkable.

She was given Ayden's Bow in Issue # 4. Before that, she used a sword exactly _twice_ in issues 1-4, instead choosing to use her own bow. Makes me wonder if the sculptor ever looked at an issue of Sojourn. I think the powers fit the character, but I am extremely disappointed in the portrayal.

I was also hoping to see her loyal dog Kreeg used on either the REVs or U... no such luck.

The paint job on the Arwyn Preview also looks like shiat. 'Course, I said the same thing about the Psylocke preview, and that fig came out looking decent in the end. (Pun intentional).

[Batman1983]

I love how they forgot to paint certain parts of the occasional Psylocke. Grrrrr.

[chas_420]

"I don't think there will be any good taxies in indy which is going to force everyone to rethink how they play the game (assuming they choose to play indyclix only games). It my no means makes the game unplayable. I also don't see that many figures in the various lines that would top 100 pts (course there's a couple of the lines I don't know at all)
I don't think any of that is a bad thing. I think it distinguishes indy further and further from the other two lines which is the one thing thats gotten more interested in this set than as a hellboy fan."

I would agree completely. That's the thing I love about new expansinos and in this case a new set. They offer a whole new spin on the game. I do think it would be too bad if an all Indy team couldn't put up a good fight with an all DC or all Marvel team though. If they don't I'll still collect them and play them, but I'd like to see the three universe be some what competitive with each other. Otherwise, aside from a few playable mid-ranged characters, they're almost solely going to be used in all Indy games. They could even make the characters a bit more cost effective than what we've seen in DC or Marvel and increase there competitiveness that way. Also if they're not competitive on the whole people wil be less apt to buy as many and simply pick up a few characters they want to use in mixed games, especially since very few people are fans of all the characters included.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
I was never on it. Just using it as an example to what it would take for this to actually sell well.
Oh I wasn't directing this at YOU, I was directing it at the Spawn fans who keep banking on one being released.

[TychesCoin]

Originally posted by chas_420

I would agree completely. That's the thing I love about new expansinos and in this case a new set. They offer a whole new spin on the game. I do think it would be too bad if an all Indy team couldn't put up a good fight with an all DC or all Marvel team though. If they don't I'll still collect them and play them, but I'd like to see the three universe be some what competitive with each other. Otherwise, aside from a few playable mid-ranged characters, they're almost solely going to be used in all Indy games. They could even make the characters a bit more cost effective than what we've seen in DC or Marvel and increase there competitiveness that way. Also if they're not competitive on the whole people wil be less apt to buy as many and simply pick up a few characters they want to use in mixed games, especially since very few people are fans of all the characters included.

I think the big issue with how competitive indy-only teams will be against marvel-only or dc-only is the new rules. If the new rules reduce the impact of flyers sufficiently, I think indy should hold their own. If not they'll probably get picked apart by taxied shooters. The one thing that really stands out to me is that I think all the previews we've seen have had some ability to help the figure move around the board easily. Nottingham and Boon LE have leap/climb plus Nottinghan free moves. Witchblade has stealth to hide then gets charge (if i remember correctly) and she also free moves. Arwyn has running shot and willpower plus picks up stealth later so she can hide. Even the abbey chase unique gets the slight mobility increase by having the aquatic speed move. Whether the trend continues as we see more figures or not, I don't know yet. But so far indy seems to place a high importance on personal mobility so if its possible to hold their own without flyers I think indy might be in better shape to try it than either marvel or dc.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by TheLion
It wasn't funny the first time...

... or the second.

Why don't you try for three?
As I said previously... ;)

Ohhh TheLion, you so funny... ok, not really.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Masada
I hope you're joking. There's no connection between the movie and the DC Comics Starman.
As I said in my post, I don't read the comic, so it's understandable I could be mistaken... and I was. My sincerest apologies to anyone I offended.

Yeah... I was joking :)

[Mentok]

for starters I just bought the first TPB of Sojourn and I loved it, I can't wait to buy more, it makes me excited about this set cause there are now a few more characters that I'd like to see. And if people want to complain about the fact that her sculpt doesn't carry a bow, what about Nightcrawler, he carries a Sword in his sculpt but can you find B/C/F anywhere?

And for those that want to complain about the set now, you have only seen 4 and without the complete stats don't complain just yet, you never know the set might surprise you in the end

[Glen Quagmire]

Capt. Chip said: The paint job on the Arwyn Preview also looks like shiat.

I'm inclined to give WK some leeway on the sculpt, since they had the tough task of replicating Greg Land's stunning renditions of Arwyn.

I'll risk sounding like a broken record, but it's amazing how a bow and arrow would have improved this sculpt. :rolleyes: