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<P ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="3" CLASS="HEADER"><B>Guide to North American and European Indy HeroClix!</B></FONT><BR><I>by Jason Mical, <B>HeroClix</B> Community Coordinator</I><P>As many of you have heard, the <B>Indy HeroClix</B> set available in North America differs from the <B>Indy HeroClix</B> set available in Europe. The European set emphasizes characters in the 2000 AD comics line, including the complete set of Dark Judges, while the North American set emphasizes characters more popular in the United States, such as Shi and Boon.<P>At this time, the sets are not available in their opposite markets, although WizKids encourages trading between North America and Europe. Each set is differentiated by its packaging: the Starter Sets and Booster Packs for the North American release have red backgrounds, and those of the European release have gray backgrounds.<P ALIGN="CENTER"><IMG SRC="/images/IndyHeroClixStarters.jpg"><BR><IMG SRC="/images/IndyHeroClixBoosters.jpg"><P>Both sets contain 96 characters, 12 of which are Uniques. The Uniques and all Limited Edition figures are identical for both sets. The difference is that the North American set contains characters 37 through 60 (8 characters with 3 different versions of each character), and stops at character 96. The European set continues with characters 97 through 120, and does not contain figures 37 through 60.<P>The North American–only characters are Arwyn (REV version), Boon, Bron, Natalia Kassle, Major Maxim, Ian Nottingham, Shi, and The Darkness. The European-only characters are Brit City Judge, Judge Fear, Judge Fire, Judge Mortis, Nemesis, Wulf Sternhammer, Stix, and Torquemada.
Jason Blood
09/30/2003, 23:09
Interesting
Makaveli
09/30/2003, 23:16
Guess I'll have to start trading now
All I will say on it is that it blows. I hope WK doesn't do anything like this again.
Manchine
09/30/2003, 23:21
Gee I want the European one more then I want the North America one. :laugh: :p ;) :laugh: :p ;)
GeorgeDaGreat
09/30/2003, 23:27
It looks alright. Can't wait to buy ONLY a starter tommorow as I will not collect Indy.
whitestripe
09/30/2003, 23:27
to ANYONE in europe
i neeed:
Brit City Judge, Judge Fear, Judge Fire, Judge Mortis
Originally posted by hair10
All I will say on it is that it blows. I hope WK doesn't do anything like this again.
Just once I want you to say something positive.
Originally posted by Braden
Just once I want you to say something positive.
Not possible.
bluebeetle
09/30/2003, 23:48
Originally posted by Braden
Just once I want you to say something positive.
i agree with him this does blow
and they better not pull this type of jazz again or i will be slightly upset
Originally posted by Braden
Just once I want you to say something positive.
I'm POSITIVE it blows.
How's that? :) :grin: :p :laugh:
Come on... it's funny... and you set me up for it! LOL
MarkFinn
10/01/2003, 00:12
And? So?
It makes sense that there would be different characters in the two sets. No one in Europe (or most of North America, for that matter) gives a flip about CrossGen. Conversely, many younger gamers (I'm 33 so I don't count) don't know who the hell Judge Dredd is. So you're all upset. You'll get over it. I'm sure the 2000 AD figs won't be that hard to track down. Ebay alone will make it easy to do. There have also been rumbles about a way to swap figures or buy a set outright from Wizkids at a later date. Maybe that got nixed, but never mind about that. Judge Dredd will not be the most difficult figure to get.
Let's see how well or poorly this sells before we all start promising to boycott the "next set." Sheesh. Now, if anyone wants to do some trading for Hellboy figs, PM me!
NickCarraway
10/01/2003, 00:15
Judge Dredd? JUDGE DREDD?
isn't he Sylvester Stallone's alter ego?
bluebeetle
10/01/2003, 00:17
Originally posted by MarkFinn
And? So?
It makes sense that there would be different characters in the two sets. No one in Europe (or most of North America, for that matter) gives a flip about CrossGen. Conversely, many younger gamers (I'm 33 so I don't count) don't know who the hell Judge Dredd is. So you're all upset. You'll get over it. I'm sure the 2000 AD figs won't be that hard to track down. Ebay alone will make it easy to do. There have also been rumbles about a way to swap figures or buy a set outright from Wizkids at a later date. Maybe that got nixed, but never mind about that. Judge Dredd will not be the most difficult figure to get.
Let's see how well or poorly this sells before we all start promising to boycott the "next set." Sheesh. Now, if anyone wants to do some trading for Hellboy figs, PM me!
nobody said that they were boycotting anything
WakandaMan
10/01/2003, 00:22
What I really want to know is which set we will have in Australia. Are we considered more Europe or US?
Personally I'd prefer the US, since more Danger Girl figs are in that one, which is the only Indy characters whose comic I've ever collected.
Anybody know?
dolemite199
10/01/2003, 00:22
So, can oyu still order a "European" Indy clix case form a Europeaon distributor?
Antigoth
10/01/2003, 00:28
I wanted the Judges, especially the dark judges...
I'm sad... anyone in Europe looking to trade some dark judges away?
herri_bols
10/01/2003, 00:40
Originally posted by whitestripe
to ANYONE in europe
i neeed:
Brit City Judge, Judge Fear, Judge Fire, Judge Mortis
Us asians also got the Euro version so you can trade with us too.
herri_bols
10/01/2003, 00:42
Originally posted by herri_bols
Us asians also got the Euro version so you can trade with us too.
Btw, I already have some of these Euro only characters if anyone is interested to to trade.
Manchine
10/01/2003, 00:58
Originally posted by hair10
I'm POSITIVE it blows.
How's that? :) :grin: :p :laugh:
Come on... it's funny... and you set me up for it! LOL
OMG that was Funny.
Originally posted by hair10
I'm POSITIVE it blows.
How's that? :) :grin: :p :laugh:
Come on... it's funny... and you set me up for it! LOL
MUCH BETTER Hair10!
Heh. You are right. I do think its a bad idea, and I hope we have the oppurtunity to get this UK figures and the UK folks to get the US.
Glorfindel
10/01/2003, 01:32
Wow! I would prefer the European set too. When can we see the Stats for the European only figs?
Glorfindel
10/01/2003, 01:34
Sorry if this is a double post, I didn't edit it in time.
If Asia got the Euro set, will us Australians get it too?
kitsunekaboom
10/01/2003, 01:51
I really despise Whizkids for this one. While I am more than happy to have Darkness and Ian (Ian for no other reason than to later alter his fig to suit my purposes perhaps), I am really just utterly disgusted that they want to make the Americans go through a lot more trouble to get 2000 AD stuff (and contrary to what was said in a previous post, MANY people under 30 know who Judge Dredd in, not like he's never crossed over with american characters) and vice versa.
That is garbage, those money sucking so and so's!!! They are going to ruin heroclix like they ruined MK doing something like this. They have killed the collectablitity of the set by doing this.
If there are any European guys out there who want to get figs from this set let's make a deal so we don't have to suffer.
Kid Zero
10/01/2003, 02:08
Well, you know when all of the Europeans, etc complain because we in the US get all of the good stuff? Well, it sucks to be on the opposite end of it. But I always thought that it was unfair in the first place.
I spent six months collecting back issues of Nemesis, many years ago.
AlaskanXIII
10/01/2003, 02:20
My question is: when do we get to see the stats of the Euro figs?
Also, the first Indy LEs are starting to circulate... can someone offer their stats as well?
I'm such a ##### for a sweet dial...
SgtHulka
10/01/2003, 02:27
Bah! No Kevin Matchstick, no Grimjack, no THUNDER Agents, no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, no Groo, I couldn't be less interested.
Hmmm..... I think I prefer the European one, and if Asia has been sent that one I think the chances are good that only US Indy cases will be sent to the US. Which is a little disappointing missing out on Shi. But better with Nemesis and the Dark Judges.
And I agree, no Groo, Mage figures or Grendel is disappointing.
drgnoftyr
10/01/2003, 02:58
why couldn't they just do 120 fig set and leave it at that why do this to the fans of the game wizkids will lose alot of money from us now cause instead of buying boosters we will be trading more to those who got doubles or we will go to a certain websites that sell single figs or a certain auction site
RavenProject
10/01/2003, 03:04
The North American–only characters are Arwyn (REV version), Boon, Bron, Natalia Kassle, Major Maxim, Ian Nottingham, Shi, and The Darkness. The European-only characters are Brit City Judge, Judge Fear, Judge Fire, Judge Mortis, Nemesis, Wulf Sternhammer, Stix, and Torquemada.
For those who are expressing deep opposition to this plan, is it based on the simple idea of having US vs UK figures, or is it baed on the exact figures used?
Most of the 2000AD characters known to American fans -- Judge Dredd, Judge Death and so on -- are represented in both sets. But keep in mind that to the *average* American fan, Judge Dredd is personified by Sly Stallone bellowing "Ahyamdaluh!"
The thing that got me about all this is that there's a character on the box who *isn't* available in the UK... Shi. I was genuinely surprised that Crusade's flagship character would get cut off like that. (Yes, I know there's the Unique, but it's not the same.)
-J
GroovyBoy
10/01/2003, 03:07
Originally posted by WakandaMan
What I really want to know is which set we will have in Australia. Are we considered more Europe or US?
Personally I'd prefer the US, since more Danger Girl figs are in that one, which is the only Indy characters whose comic I've ever collected.
Anybody know?
That's a tough one, Wakanda. You have the Union Jack on your flag, but you also have white stars on a blue background. They will probably decide for you by coinflip...
GroovyBoy
10/01/2003, 03:12
Originally posted by rock810
They have killed the collectablitity of the set by doing this.
Aren't the value of collectable games based on the notion that some cards/figures are harder to get than others? No, wait, that was rhetorical. Man your post was funny...
Great ..never even heard of the euro only figs ..and now i'm also not getting a darkness/nothingham or R/E/V arwyn. or a major maxim...why did they use those as a preview then ..now i wanna get those cause i've seen them ..and then they tell me i can't even get them..how rude :(.
Wow, I'm not the ONLY one who thinks this was BOGUS! Where were half you guys when I was getting reemed on my Exclusives rant? I don't know what they were thinking. NEVER AGAIN WIZ KIDS! I want a total count of the people who can see the sheer idiocy of a desision like this. People act like overseas trading is easy! There are so many risks involved (needlessly it seems) Thanks WK, until they determine if or when to make them available to both sides of the planet, EVERYONE will have to go on Ebay to get the exclusives. GOOD LUCK outbidding an entire country of fans. I'm NOT paying 20-50 bucks for a set of REV's and if you don't think some people will drive the price up that high, the only thing "higher" is you. "Just go on ebay" Yeah right, I'lll just get in line behing the eastern seaboard.
I'm a US comic collector and I prefer the Judges. I know very little of ANY of the Indys they have chossen. But from the dials I've seen so far, the Judges have a nicer variety of powers (unlike the barrel of ninjas / blade-claw majority of the set).
I am willing to forget this set ever happened and consider it a nice way to get Starter goodies. It will at least tide me over until Marvels Cosmic Line.
Hey Litz
I think it sucks big time but at least you guys are losing a bunch of supporting characters (except Nemesis) instead of major players like we are.
I'll post the Stats for the U.K. figures later on today, when I get them.
Meanwhile, anyone buying American Indy Heroclix and wants to trade sets of exclusive figures, please contact me - I'm looking to trade, and I've been asked to oversee trades for several of my local players, too.
Hmm. This is confusing. So we here in the UK don't get Arwyn, Shi or darkness, but we *do* get their supporting casts and villains?
does this make any sense at all? I was wonderin gthat maybe there is a reason behind this split that we don't know about - you know, one of those 'corporate' reasons that never reaches the fans like the fact that Boon, Bron and Shi in the UK are names trademarked by other companies and so couldn't be released as figures here.
But now.....I have no idea. Why take out Shi but not her Unique? Why all the Danger Girls? The only thing I can think of is that Wizkids was being hit by some sort of cross-borders manipulation that hurt their business, something like the wholesalers they were supplying to were having a hard time and weren't giving them enough business because European/UK businesses were buying up the stock directly through some other means and cutting out the middle men.
Surely this will all make no difference in the UK anyway? I mean, I could go into Forbidden Planet today on the high street and say 'OI, order me 1 case of UK and one of US Indyclix'. They import stuff like japanese comics, japanese Transformers reissues, etc - so why would this pose a problem to them? The price might be higher on a US case but then I can sell my UK dupes for MASSIVE profit on Ebay to make up for the loss :)
Casby
garlinghouse
10/01/2003, 07:50
so Groovyboy, which set will you get in Antartica?;)
the itsy bit
10/01/2003, 08:03
Originally posted by NickCarraway
Judge Dredd? JUDGE DREDD?
isn't he Sylvester Stallone's alter ego?
the great Law-man himself.
I want to go on record that I really liked this movie !
and I still am waiting for Marvel's Critical Mass.
you can keep the rest, for all I care.:classic:
And isn't natalie kassle like the marque LE for the winner ?
does this mean europe wil get a diff LE or do we get the oppurtunity to win an LE of a regular fig we can't even get our hands on ?
Once again WizKids screws over their fan base and creates an after market price gougers heaven. What they didn't tell you was this is going to be Nightcrawler all over again. At least one figure on each side of the ocean will be a rare and people will be paying crazy money on ebay for it.
This is exactly what's wrong with WizKids, it's bad enough they get us hooked on plastic crack, but then they make it near impossible to get a whole set without spending a small fortune...
And what do they gain from it?
Keep this up guys and I'm out of here.
The LEs are the same.
Now, on to other things...
The split distribution is a BAD idea. It will only make money for ebay and the postal services. I agree that it should have been a straight 120 release, with everything available everywhere.
The ASSUMPTION that Dredd etc are more "popular" in the UK than the USA is daft, and the same goes for Crossgen, only the other way round...
I, of course, want 1 each of all the figures - but (like everybody else) I have preferances - for example, while I DO want the 2000AD figs that I read 2 decades ago (yes, it is that long...) I want the CrossGen figs more. I will only get Hellboy and Witchblade to be completist - as I have no interest in those as characters or comics, but only as gaming pieces - whereas I would get Danger Girl and Kabuki if I had to sell my 40K collection to do it.
My point is that WK have failed to realise that we really are a global village - which country we happen to live in makes no odds as to which characters we want to read about or game with - that's personal preferance, not cultural.
After all, the most fervant proponants of 2000AD on the site are American - and the most fanatical CrossGen'r I know is one of the UK Judges (no, not Death, Fire, or Mortis !)
So - as gamers or collectors we are left with the fallout from a VERY VERY BAD marketing decision. Don't boycott anything, but let's hope they never do a split release again.
And let the trading commence...
LoL
All the Best
Noman
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I'll believe they are serious about a culturaly themed release when I see Robot Archie, Gadget Man and Gimmick Kid, The Spider, and Adam Eterno in Clix ! British 60's comics, people - get cultural !!!
LoL, All the Best, Noman.
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GMSLegion
10/01/2003, 08:46
Originally posted by Noman
I'll believe they are serious about a culturaly themed release when I see Robot Archie, Gadget Man and Gimmick Kid, The Spider, and Adam Eterno in Clix ! British 60's comics, people - get cultural !!!
Noman, even that wouldn't work, because I'd sell my own mother for a Robot Archie clik. While I'm at it, I'd also like Adam Eterno, the Leopard from Lime Street, the Steel Claw, Cursitor Doom, Spellbinder, the Blue Wizard, Oakman, Tanya and Mytek the Mighty.
Heck, I'll even take a Hookjaw even though his movement on Heroclix maps would be awfully limited.
...won't let me edit...
...and I've just realised, on re-reading the two lists that, if given a choice of what I might pull in an Indy Booster, only Wulf Sternhammer counts ahead of the Crossgen figs, at least as far as I'm concerned.
So, from my point of view, a level of "oh-rats" style disapointment is already built in to the release - as it no doubt is for USA players who want the REV Dark Judges more than Crossgen...and I just can't see that as being good for sales.
Ah well - at least we do get the Sam Ray Unique over here - not being able to pull THAT in a booster just 'cos I live in the UK would have been TOO much...
LoL
All the Best
Noman
qoute - originaly posted by GMSLegion
"Noman, even that wouldn't work, because I'd sell my own mother for a Robot Archie clik. While I'm at it, I'd also like Adam Eterno, the Leopard from Lime Street, the Steel Claw, Cursitor Doom, Spellbinder, the Blue Wizard, Oakman, Tanya and Mytek the Mighty. Heck, I'll even take a Hookjaw even though his movement on Heroclix maps would be awfully limited."
I'm impressed !
I would LOVE to see all the above, of course, but Robot Archie and The Spider would have to be favourites.
Oh, and don't sell your mother - I'm sure someone could work out a trade !
Robot Archie Clix - got to happen...
ALL - pm me if you have any of the USA only figs for trade.
LoL
All the Best
Noman
Norman,
You should really check out Hellboy sometime, it a brilliant book. I just recently "discovered" it and have been totally blown away by it. Highly recommended.
Thunderbolts
10/01/2003, 09:47
Eesh, I don't know any of these Euro exclusives, but I DO know the Danger Girl characters that we don't get, and I also know Shi is one of the best figures in the set, giving Bullseye and Green Arrow a run for their money - and we don't get her.
Man, I'm glad I don't have the opportunity to play this game for real anymore. It's such a saving and less of a headache.
Hey, Thunderbolts, keep playing, we'd hate to lose you...
...and that backs up what I said further up the thread - plenty of UK players know / want CrossGen etc, while plenty of USA players know / want 2000AD.
Come on WK - support your players...
LoL
All the Best
Noman
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"...and I've just realised, on re-reading the two lists that, if given a choice of what I might pull in an Indy Booster, only Wulf Sternhammer counts ahead of the Crossgen figs, at least as far as I'm concerned. So, from my point of view, a level of "oh-rats" style disapointment is already built in to the release - as it no doubt is for USA players who want the REV Dark Judges more than Crossgen...and I just can't see that as being good for sales. Ah well - at least we do get the Sam Ray Unique over here - not being able to pull THAT in a booster just 'cos I live in the UK would have been TOO much..."
LoL, All the Best, Noman
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...still won't let me edit...
...and thanks, ScottRa, I have looked at the Hellboy "collected" edition - but it's just not for me.
Doesn't mean I won't be pleased if I got the Hellboy LE - I'd just trade it for Sam Ray or a 2000AD Unique or Danger Girl or Kabuki unless I already had the rest. Hmmmm, maybe I could trade it for Nightcrawler...
LoL
All the Best
Noman
Indy SUX, sorry but this is the reallity
A lot of characters with the blades/claws/fangs power that sux
With Crossgen that sux more
And now the latest we miss jack estacado because the ####ed 2000 AD make us a lot of ####ed judges. Damm holly ####
Paptimus
10/01/2003, 10:21
Instead of european, it seems to me it's a UK set. If we do get those boosters in France, it won't make much sense since 2000AD has never been distributed in my country (only a happy few know those comics), while a Top Cow character like Darkness is quite popular among youngsters... Even Crossgen is better distributed!
Fair point, Paptimus - I assume that USA gets the North American release, and the rest of us get the UK release (so called)...
If France and Belgium get the USA release then I think we may be trading... <grin>
LoL
All the Best
Noman
Originally posted by GMSLegion
Noman, even that wouldn't work, because I'd sell my own mother for a Robot Archie clik. While I'm at it, I'd also like Adam Eterno, the Leopard from Lime Street, the Steel Claw, Cursitor Doom, Spellbinder, the Blue Wizard, Oakman, Tanya and Mytek the Mighty. Ooh yes, the Steel Claw - it's all coming back to me. But you are so right about Robot Archie and I'll top your bid by throwing in my sister too. I'd especially like to see the psychodelic version which appeared in the Zenith strip in 2000AD - Mad Metal Archie! The licensing ought to be a done deal because of this. Archie started in Lion which was Fleetway which did 2000AD, right?
In the meantime, I suppose we'll have to make do with mods of Ultron. Has anyone made a Robot Archie click yet?
Andrew
Thunderbolts
10/01/2003, 10:43
Hey, Thunderbolts, keep playing, we'd hate to lose you...
Heh thanks... I still follow the game via the web, but everywhere that used to run HEroclix that I know have changed over to Mechwarrior permanently, or Shadowrun, or whatever the 'nyoo kool' game of the moment is.
As far as Indy goes I only wanted about 3 figs anyway (cheapest 2000AD fig, cheapest Crusade fig, and Shi - team ability copy and th fact Shi is awesome in the game). Shouldnt be that hard to get on eBay.... ;)
NickCarraway
10/01/2003, 11:04
Warden,
"I'll top your bid by throwing in my sister too"
What's she look like! IndyCLix comes out today and i got a credit card and a lotta hope
Pyroxian
10/01/2003, 11:11
>Archie started in Lion which was Fleetway which did 2000AD,
>right?
Except Rebellion now own all the rights to 2000AD + characters, which is who I assume WK got the rights from (Although it's possible that some of the cross-over characters from Zenith may make an appearance, so Mad Metal Archie is possible :) Chikka-chikka-chikka)
Steve
No temper tantrum here, but I'm definitely among the people who believe splitting the set this was a poor idea. It hasn't been received well.
Doing it on the basis of popularity/distribution isn't ample justification in a game where very often some of the most playable figures aren't personal favorites. Besides, while more available, the Crossgen characters are probably just about as unknown to a great many US comics fans as the 2000AD ones are.
I haven't reviewed the figure stats with this in mind, but I'll be interested to see people put together teams using the US-exclusive vs the UK-exclusive clix and see what each side has to offer in terms of the game.
Beyond all that, the 2000AD figs - as characters - are much more familiar and of interest to me than the Crossgen and Danger Girl lots. The 2000AD and Hellboy are the only figs - again, as characters - I'm interested in.
With DC and Marvel inaugural sets being so much larger, does this approach to Indy mean that they've determined that a 96-fig set is much more cost-effective for them to produce? Given the different packaging and regional shipping issues, I can't help but think it would have been a better business plan to make it one, large set.
vpreacher
10/01/2003, 11:28
I agree with the onle large set idea. Both the marvel and DC base sets had more than 96 figs, why should this one be any different. It's as thought they already consider it less important. I would be much more likely to buy a case if I knew there were 120 different figs I would get. As it is anyone getting a case will get ALOT of the same figs. Bad Call Wizkids.
GMSLegion
10/01/2003, 11:28
Originally posted by Pyroxian
Except Rebellion now own all the rights to 2000AD + characters, which is who I assume WK got the rights from (Although it's possible that some of the cross-over characters from Zenith may make an appearance, so Mad Metal Archie is possible :) Chikka-chikka-chikka)
Well, Grant Morrison has since gotten a little pissy about the ownership of Zenith. Apparently he claims that he never signed any work-for-hire agreement and never cashed any check that Fleetway gave him to pay for his scripts, so that's all his. The lawyers are currently discussing the issue, but it's prevented, for example, the reissuing of Zenith in TPB form.
That's a shame, because a Zenith clik would go over well with the "superheroes-only" players, and Indy needs more flyers.
The bit in Zenith were he and Eddie open the door and Archie is standing there screaming ACEEEEEEEIID is one of the greatest cliffhangers in all of comics. I didn't even know who Archie was when I saw it and was desperate for the next issue. If I had grown up with that goofball character I probably would have been thrill-powered into unconsciousness.
ok after getting my starter today I was happy to find out Australia get the uk/euro set.
still find it a bit odd that we get a brit-cit judge and not a mega-city one judge...they could have at least called him Judge Armour instead...
GMSLegion
10/01/2003, 11:38
Originally posted by warden
Archie started in Lion which was Fleetway which did 2000AD, right?
You know, I was under the impression Robot Archie started in Valiant and merged with Lion in the 1950s and then ran for about 25 years after that, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge.
I do have some 1970s Lions and also some Vulcan from 1974, and the Lion strips appear to be new, but the Vulcan strips look like much older reprints.
That stack of Lions is one of my great comic finds. I got almost 40 issues from a dealer who knew there was very little chance he could resell them, but they were part of a collection he bought. He gave me the stack for $5.
GMSLegion
10/01/2003, 11:41
Ghostie, does the Brit-Cit Judge have the funny little star on his chin? Armour did, but Brendan McCarthy was always a quirky artist. What the heck was that thing anyway, a tattoo?
I'm a collector. I like to collect complete sets of stuff that I get into. I'm just compulsive that way I guess. With Critical Mass just around the corner and me not knowing much at all about any of the IndyClix characters I was seriously debating whether to collect it or not. One thing that does pull me towards it is a complete lack of medics which I believe ruin the game. Now I find out that if I do decide to collect the set I've got to try to get 24 figures that aren't even going to be sold in the US. Needless to say this just gives me one more line in the negative column of my decision chart on IndyClix. I'm gonna buy a starter to get the rules/PAC/maps but other than that I'm just not sure yet. This split release thing definitely turns me off. If I could possibly get all of the figures I need by buying half a case or a case then I might do it but then to have to try to do overseas trading or eBaying after that to get my set .... eh.
I'm glad i live here in the U.k. We get demons, Vikings, and The 4 dark Judges of the Apocolypse!!!! HA HA HA
Originally posted by RavenProject
For those who are expressing deep opposition to this plan, is it based on the simple idea of having US vs UK figures, or is it baed on the exact figures used?
It's having distinct figs on different sides of the big pond. I'm a collector as much as a player. This just makes things more difficult for me (which I do not appreciate).
Paptimus
10/01/2003, 12:19
If France and Belgium get the USA release then I think we may be trading...
That would be great indeed!
But I don't think we'll get the US set... :(
Don't tell me why, but in Italy we'll get.....the U.S. version !
Deathlok23
10/01/2003, 14:32
This whole US/Europe (really UK, since it appears France and Italy know less about 2000 AD than us in the USA) is just plain lame. A single 120 figure set would have been fine. Too many fans of both Crossgen/2000 AD are being SOL over this deal. Now it appears that Europe is not getting several Shi, Top Cow and Danger Girl figures also. That was not a good idea. I hope that it sells well despite this poor marketing decision. If not, WizKids may think that the set was a bad idea (which it wasn't, it was just poorly executed). Let us hope that WizKids can make it up to us if they do an Expansion. I still want Ape Sapien, Roger the Homuculus, Agent Liz Sherman, Silken Ghost, Gareth, Mordath, Agent Zero and the rest of Cyberforce. There are also many creators whose characters would make great Clix who are not part of this set. Bring us Savage Dragon (Super Patriot, Freak Force, et al), Grendel (Hunter Rose, Christine Spar and Prime) and Jim Lee's great Wildstorm universe (a whole expansion on its own with the likes of the Authority, WildC.A.T.s, Majestic, Blacklash, et al), then I'll gladly forgive WizKids for their poor judgment.
daburton
10/01/2003, 15:10
Originally posted by drgnof tyr
why couldn't they just do 120 fig set and leave it at that why do this to the fans of the game wizkids will lose alot of money from us now cause instead of buying boosters we will be trading more to those who got doubles or we will go to a certain websites that sell single figs or a certain auction site
Unfortunately it probably has more to do with marketing than anything else. Remember DC Hypertime was a 100 or so figure set with only 10 uniques. Quite easy to collect and very desirable from that aspect. As was Marvel's Infinity Challenge. 12 Uniques spread across 120 or so figures. With the expansions came a new though...why not force people into buying more boosters by upping the number of uniques and lowering the number of figures in the set....enter the 96 figure set with 12 uniques in it.
Onn breakdown, you average 1 unique per 6 boosters. If you have 10 uniques, you can complete your uniques in about 60 boosters. If you have a dozen uniques, it takes 72 boosters...a substantial gain in purchases. So in a 10 unique/100 figure scenario, in theory, you can complete your set ...both uniques and commons in that 60 booster purchases(60=10 uniques + 230 common figures) . By lowering the number of figures in the set to 96 and upping the number of uniques, you complete your set....both uniques and commons in that 72 boosters (72-12 uniques and 276 common figures). So by splitting the set up between European and American markets you are forcing the number of boosters to complete the set closer to 72, which is probably their target number in forcing playings to purchase to complete their sets.
From my standpoint, though, it has had an opposite affect. I no longer buy any boosters, pick my sets and uniques up on the secondary market and pay about 1/4 of the cost that it would normally cost me if I purchased the sets in booster form. Unfortunately, a lot of the local players are starting to do the same thing and the sales of Heroclix are dropping at our local stores (we had about 1/20th of the normal order for Indyclix here). If ANY set needed that extra incentive to drive sales it is Indyclix because you simply don't have enough mainline characters that will keep players coming back to purchase more.
Doug
DaLuvster89
10/01/2003, 15:53
I wasn't to upset about it until I saw that one of the UK characters has Probubility Control. (Colsey Kid was posting stats, if you guys wanted to look for 'em.)
I dunno. This definately has me a bit soured, mostly because I'm lazy. :) But now seeing that the UK figs may have powers that aren't accessable here in the US (like PC) makes me feel almost jipped. Liek someone mentioned earlier, many of the figs that are "tourney worthy" aren't the most recognizeable to the masses.
Eh. But I guess it works both ways. People in the UK will want the figs folks in the US are getting, right? Oh, wait - other countries in Europe are getting the US release...
'Scuse me. I have to go get sick.
I need a UK trading buddy... pm applications now available.
As for being upset, get over it and look ahead.
Bungnoid
10/01/2003, 16:55
I admit to being over 30, and the 2000 AD figures are the only ones in this set with which I am familiar. Judge Dredd and the four Dark Judges are the figures that I most want to have. I suppose this marketing scheme may increase WizKids' profits somehow (I'm not sure how, though) but it will certainly lose them a lot of goodwill among their customer base, for whatever that is worth.
Got my case today!
Missing 4 REV figs from the US set
Uniques pulled:
Hecate (looks AWSOME)
(x2)Siamese (One of THE best scuplts I've ever seen)
Abby Chase (My fav but sucks absolutely compared to the ironically cheaper veteran)
(x2)Cyblade (her head is unnervingly small and her proportions are really strange, you'll notice it really quickly, like her bottom half is too big)
Hellboy (Wonderfull sculpt, suprisingly bad paint job, maroon plastic with a few dabs of two colors ,might just be mine though)
Shi (Great figure, unimpressive dial, but not useless like Abby's Curse you WK!)
Some awesome sculpts overall, from the half shadow Yukio to the amazing spiked asian goth chick dual sword wielding Scarab to thedramatic Magdalena, the confusingly armed Tiger Lily (two uzi's with a 0 range and BCF, to the suprisingly erotic Aphrodite IX! This set LOOKS GOOD!
Bottom line I'm pleased
PM me with trade offers if interested, I want the UK's and Witchblade and Angelus and Judge Anderson, Maybe Death too.
WakandaMan
10/01/2003, 22:47
Arrgh! Just found out that Australia is getting the Euro version. What foolishness!
I didn't mind the split set idea so much, since in my naivety I presumed that Aus would get the US version. Comics culture wise, Australians read a lot more US than UK comics. This is crazy!
The only Indy comic (in the set) that I've ever collected is Danger Girl. And now I can't get a Major Maxim (the ONLY character in the set that I was actually excited about) or a Natalia Kassle.
BAH Humbug!
WakandaMan
10/01/2003, 23:27
Just did a quick count.
Of the 8 UK characters, there is only one that I am vaguely familiar with (Judge Fear).
Of the US Characters, I know 6 of them, with Major Maxim, Natalia Kassle and Shi being among the very few Indy characters that I actually want (wouldn't mind an Arwyn, an Ian Nottingham and a Darkness as well though).
If anyone wants to trade the euro for the us figs e-mail me
ktlogan@insightbb.com
Kaitouace
10/02/2003, 17:11
If the European set doesn't have Shi in it, then why is Shi on the front packaging for the Starter? Well technically they'll still get the Unique but the version represented on the front, they're not getting.
And for that matter, why are all the European only figures used for the examples in the rule booklet (Stix, Wulf, etc.) if we're not getting them? Just seems like a simple goofy oversight.
Batman1983
10/02/2003, 18:28
I need these European ones.... I'll go individual shopping to get the US ones you need if I don't get them in the few boosters I'm buying.
Want:
R Stix 100, UK
E Stix 101, UK
V Stix 102, UK (Bullseye's magic numbers 100-102)
R Torquemada 106, UK
E Torquemada 107, UK
V Torquemada 108, UK
R Nemesis 109, UK
E Nemesis 110, UK
V Nemesis 111, UK
R Judge Fire 112, UK
E Judge Fire 113, UK
V Judge Fire 114, UK
any level, but trying to trade for more than 1-1. I don't care about the majority of 37-60, so I should have a lot of these at my disposal. I play w/ a large group, so just PM me your needs.
ok first the brit cit judge now star...but checkthis if you haven't seen the sculpt...he's left handed! he has a daystick in his right hand and lawgiver in his left...
secondly where are you WakandaMan? of the 4 or 5 people I know that wanted Indyclix, we were alll glad it was UK and not US.
umm now star = no star...
oh yeah as to the fig with PC at least (for indyclix) he's expensive..oh the fig is Nemesis the Warlock by the way...
on the trivia side of life Batman (E) and Judge Dredd (E) both cost 82 points...perfect for a "Judgement on Gotham" duel.
Antigoth
10/03/2003, 14:16
Actually, unless the E Judge dread is different in Europe it's 92 points - or at least that's what the one in my starter said...
Number of USA only sculpts that I realy, realy want = 8
Number of UK only sculpts that I realy, realy want = 1
...of course, I want 1 each of all the figs, but the fact that, as I buy my figs in the UK, 8 of the ones I want most are not even going to be in the boxes I buy is just silly.
Of course I will trade to get them, as will most of you, I should think, but I still cannot get my brain round WK's reasoning...from a marketing point of view, it just makes no sense, and from a gaming one it makes even less.
WHY, in this day and age, should someone in the UK automaticaly want 2000AD figs more than CrossGen, or vice versa in the States ?
...and why on earth go to the (assumedly considerable) expence of packaging them differently too ?
LoL
All the Best
a very miffed
Noman
(oh, and they are STILL not available in Bournemouth - the "Big City" of Southampton has them, but we have to wait another two weeks for them to grind through the system...TANJ )
I have the North American set (figs 37-60). I am looking to trade it for the UK set (figs 97-120).
Email address camle@msn.com
charlzm
ciriquen
10/03/2003, 18:36
I'd like to thank Wizkids for making the dark judges so that 3 veterans and Judge Death add up to 401 points!
WHY??? :angry:
They made the Fantastic Four work at 200, 300, and 400; would it be too much to ask for one of the dark judges to have had a single point shaved off?
For that matter, why are Judge Death and Psi-Judge Anderson not arch enemies? Likewise for Nemesis and Torquemada?
At least I'm not interested in any of the US-only figures (I'm not even interested in all the 2000AD figures, and have no interest in any of the other figures in the set), or I'd be even more upset...
Originally posted by Noman
WHY, in this day and age, should someone in the UK automaticaly want 2000AD figs more than CrossGen, or vice versa in the States ?
British people prefer or only want British things...
Sound stupid? Of course, but that's the way Marketing exectutives think, especially in a America. Market execs think very little of the public and base most of their views on personal opinion and label it market research. They decide what we want to see. Ironically they are seldom correct. A brit-cit Judge was ridiculous! The comic primarily takes place in America! Thats SO blatantly kissing up to England while at the same time insulting you, like you wouldn't be comfortable with a "foreign" judge generic. Nothing like dividing race relations with gaming!
It's the same with certain things never brought to America because of potential lack of interest. One thing that took forever to become common over here, Anime, once thought to be a bad export choice to the States because of the way we "viewed" cartoons. Now Anime is plentiful.
I'm sorry, this kind of blatant nation-specific pandering is lame, I really hope WK decides to cut their loyal customers a break, take their eyes of the ungodly amounts of money they are raking in over little cheap plastic toys for a split second just long enough to give us fans in BOTH sides of the planet a break and make these great figures available to both of us! Please! I feel really bad for any of you guys in UK who love Danger Girl as much as I do, when I saw the exclusive list I thought UK got it worse than US! Contrary to my previous impression, It still sucks even though I'm getting the set I personally want.
Batman1983
10/04/2003, 01:03
I would have bought a case if they had all been in one 120 figure set... as it stands I'll save my money & get singles... So I guess my voice doesn't matter, but I feel like typing anyway...
Thats not true Batman1983. (about your voice)
ferris1971
10/04/2003, 02:54
An REV set of Nemesis is going for $25 on ebay. Total BS... As if this freaking game weren't expensive enough.
I was saying this from the get go! Only a few listened. BS is right! LAMELAMELAMELAMELAME! An people wonder why I was so pissed! Read my no More Exclusives Wiz Kids Response Everyone!!! thread. I knew this would happen!
ebay UK has the Uniques from Indy going for £9.99 and the REV sets going for £6.99 (about $10.00) - that's about $14.00 each for the Uniques. With 2 days to go, only the Arwyn has gone beyond it's starting price...and no, they arn't mine...(I wish...)
There are hardly any bids, just 1 or 2 per fig. Compare this to the States, where things seem to have gone balistic very quickly.
I suspect the US only REV's will be worth more, once any reach the UK.
It's all just weird...
All the Best
Noman
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