View Full Version : please don't change the rules
faricelli
10/15/2003, 10:41
The rules are fine just the way they are. You can't tell me a super hero has never flew someone in for an attack. Green Latern brings the whole j.l. The new rules will pretty much eliminate fliers. It probably won't be long an whiz kids will get rid of T.K. + running shot combo. Since this will be the new quick strike method. I could have understood some tweeking but this will ruin the game thanks alot W.K.
ok.....welcome to the conversation one month late. Please join the thousands of others already going on. BTW, the new rules are great.
Psylockeslover
10/15/2003, 10:44
FYI, as of....well....today, the rules are official.
Though you can always play however you want in the privacy of your own home........:cross-eye
GMSLegion
10/15/2003, 10:46
Faricelli, would you like the Cubs to win Game 6 while you're at it?
Originally posted by Psylockeslover
Though you can always play however you want in the privacy of your own home........:cross-eye
Don't listen to him! I tried that and the WK stromtroopers beat down my door in the middle of the game. Now I have an $1,200 fine to deal with :ermm:
Manchine
10/15/2003, 10:46
Psylocke, I was going laugh then say something like that.
Oh well I will just laugh.
Hahahaha
DS-00-0, FSD
10/15/2003, 10:52
Originally posted by GMSLegion
Faricelli, would you like the Cubs to win Game 6 while you're at it?
As a long time Cubs fan, I'm unsure if I should cry in misery or laugh uncontrollably at this post.
:ermm: :(
Originally posted by Meepo
Don't listen to him! I tried that and the WK stromtroopers beat down my door in the middle of the game. Now I have an $1,200 fine to deal with :ermm:
LUXURY!
I used a house rule and was taken out back behind the chemical shed and shot!
(#### good thing they are lousy shots!)
New Rules? WHAT new rules?:eek: :laugh: :laugh:
RavenProject
10/15/2003, 13:30
As a long time Cubs fan, I'm unsure if I should cry in misery or laugh uncontrollably at this post.
As a Chicago resident, I can confidently say: Both.
-J
Ignatz_Mouse
10/15/2003, 13:45
Originally posted by GMSLegion
Faricelli, would you like the Cubs to win Game 6 while you're at it?
Post of the Month!
I made two mistakes last night--
1) Riding the El when the game was half-over, the train filled with excited people headed to Wrigleyville to party
2) Turing on the game when I got home.
Originally posted by GMSLegion
Faricelli, would you like the Cubs to win Game 6 while you're at it?
Go Cards! Oh wait... Go anyone playing the Cubs!
:p
faricelli
10/15/2003, 13:59
Whether or not I am a month late on my post, I am only expressing what most gamers in my area feel. When Whiz kids designed the first few releases they were based on the old rules. The figs stats dictate this. Flying creatures were often not as powerful as they should have been based on their ability to fly. I do realize taxi style teams dominated play. But there were many ways to combat these teams. I think that the game should be based on real comic book scenarios. If Hawk girl was injured. Superman should be able to fly in and rescue her. It can go with out saying that rule changes at first appear to be warranted but new strategies will become dominate and we will be back to the same old play.
Manchine
10/15/2003, 14:07
The figs Actually they werent based on the old rules. The only power based on the new rules were HSS. Flying characters (what creatures?) were defiantly as powerful as they would normally be. THere were no competitive ways to deal with taxi style teams. A team can easily move halfway across the board and still attack you on the first turn is bull. Also it provides no strategy to fight such a team. Taxi was not added into the point formula (this part is really old news) so they limited it without getting rid of it. Yes there will be new Strategies that will become dominate. The difference is strategies. Unlike the old rules where it was one strategy.
Pay no attention to Manchine.... he's biased.
GoldenAge
10/15/2003, 14:13
Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
As a long time Cubs fan, I'm unsure if I should cry in misery or laugh uncontrollably at this post.
:ermm: :(
Just let it go and cry with me. :cry:
sierralegend
10/15/2003, 14:17
Originally posted by faricelli
Whether or not I am a month late on my post, I am only expressing what most gamers in my area feel. When Whiz kids designed the first few releases they were based on the old rules. The figs stats dictate this. Flying creatures were often not as powerful as they should have been based on their ability to fly. I do realize taxi style teams dominated play. But there were many ways to combat these teams. I think that the game should be based on real comic book scenarios. If Hawk girl was injured. Superman should be able to fly in and rescue her. It can go with out saying that rule changes at first appear to be warranted but new strategies will become dominate and we will be back to the same old play.
To correct this, Heroclix is Superheroes based game, NOT comic book based game. Got it?
;)
ChickenChicken
10/15/2003, 14:24
I still get a kick out of the people who ##### about the new rules, because those people usually haven't played under them.
Oh, and the new rules do offer a variety of strategies, rather than the old taxi gunner (very old). If you're pissed that your brand of cheese went away, wah. Find a new one. Stealth has gotten plenty cheezy (everybody in indy has it). LC is more important. Willpower is now at the top of the heap. Mind control is slightly weakened and empowered at the same time. If you want to run and gun, grab an OWAW Superman and some con artists.
DS-00-0, FSD
10/15/2003, 14:25
Originally posted by hair10
Pay no attention to Manchine.... he's biased.
As are you equally biased of the opposing view. :p Did your event this past weekend happen to be "worse" because you used the new rules?? I had two complete victories in that tournament, so saying the games went slower because of the new rules really has no basis in fact.
Bias aside, Manchine's post is correct. The ability to carry was tossed in at the last minute and was never properly addressed in a point value. Flyers were given an upgrade that is not reflected in thier point cost and therefore is a direct imbalance to the game.
Originally posted by sierralegend
To correct this, Heroclix is Superheroes based game, NOT comic book based game. Got it?
;)
Give the guy a break, huh? He's just voicing his opinion about something. We've all done it. Just because people don't like or agree with what he's saying isn't a reason to belittle or harass the guy. You can argue your points without getting personal about it.
... except Manchine and myself. We're exempt from each other. ;)
Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
As are you equally biased of the opposing view. :p
All right, you got me there.
Did your event this past weekend happen to be "worse" because you used the new rules??
I don't know about "worse", but I don't know about "better" either.
I will say again (stated it in some other thread) that nobody came up to me after the tourney and said “wow! I love the new rules!”. I did have 3 people come up afterwards and voice some form of complaint about them. Keep in mind, that I’ve kept my feeling about NAAT to myself when I’ve been around my players (which has only been a couple of times since the rules were released… been a busy couple of months for me and not much time to run tourneys) because I want them to make up their minds for themselves.
sierralegend
10/15/2003, 14:34
I want it make easier for you all to accept the reality better....
you re just make it hard on yourself. Be free...
the itsy bit
10/15/2003, 14:34
Originally posted by sierralegend
To correct this, Heroclix is Superheroes based game, NOT comic book based game. Got it?
;)
damm is there something wrong with the boosters I got ? mine also contained villains ?!:noid:
It's a FAN-based game let's leave it at that.:classic:
Manchine
10/15/2003, 14:35
Originally posted by hair10
... except Manchine and myself. We're exempt from each other. ;)
Yep have to agree. Hair and I are on 2 completely different wave lengthes. The yin and Yang. LOL OF course if I didnt see Hair post something about NAAT being bad. I would think something wrong. :laugh: :p ;) :laugh: :p ;)
You can always share a different opinion but never take it personally.
Manchine
10/15/2003, 14:37
Originally posted by hair10
I will say again (stated it in some other thread) that nobody came up to me after the tourney and said ?wow! I love the new rules!?. [/B]
Where do you judge at? Give me about 8 hours I will be there. LOL
DS-00-0, FSD
10/15/2003, 14:49
Originally posted by hair10
All right, you got me there.
I don't know about "worse", but I don't know about "better" either.
I will say again (stated it in some other thread) that nobody came up to me after the tourney and said “wow! I love the new rules!”. I did have 3 people come up afterwards and voice some form of complaint about them. Keep in mind, that I’ve kept my feeling about NAAT to myself when I’ve been around my players (which has only been a couple of times since the rules were released… been a busy couple of months for me and not much time to run tourneys) because I want them to make up their minds for themselves. [/B]
Hmm, wouldn't happen to have been the player I played second game who was a bit miffed that E Dr Doom could not be taxied around, would it? Thus giving him free Running Shot, while I had to PAY for the superpower as it was built into the cost of my V Human Torch??;)
Still, that was a great game anyway once we stopped moving fo position and then just started hammering on one another. It plays differently, but I really do not see the big deal other than people who become too comfortable with an established team. I think it does more good than harm. Not perfect, but still closer.
Plus Karl, there are plenty of the players who are here on Realms and have already seen your views on NAAT, so just because you have not told them in person does not neccessarily mean thay are unaware of your view.
PS. Manchine, we would always be up for you visiting us for a weekend of gaming. Central Illinois is really...flat...this time of year.:ermm:
Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
Hmm, wouldn't happen to have been the player I played second game who was a bit miffed that E Dr Doom could not be taxied around, would it?
Dunno. 20 people was too many for me to keep track of who ended up with what and who played whom. :)
Plus Karl, there are plenty of the players who are here on Realms and have already seen your views on NAAT, so just because you have not told them in person does not neccessarily mean thay are unaware of your view.
Oh, just great... call me by name! Just give away my secret identity, why don’t you! They didn’t know who I was before, but they sure do now!!
:p
Manchine
10/15/2003, 15:50
Starts singing the Bananarama song
Karl Karl bo Barl
Fe fye foo Farl
Karl
:laugh: :p ;)
hi,
i feel wixkids is doing to hero click what wizards did to magic.the game is being ruined because people complian about the stupid ablites of the clix.so what if superman carries your shiels sniper.its done all of the time in the comics.and if here clix isnt a comic based game howcome there are COMIC BOOK FIGURES IN IN?sorry if i come off too strong but this really buns me.feel free to burn me at the stake for this.
andy
hi,
i feel wixkids is doing to hero click what wizards did to magic.the game is being ruined because people complian about the stupid ablites of the clix.so what if superman carries your shiels sniper.its done all of the time in the comics.and if here clix isnt a comic based game howcome there are COMIC BOOK FIGURES IN IN?sorry if i come off too strong but this really buns me.feel free to burn me at the stake for this.
andy
Originally posted by omega_5
hi,
i feel wixkids is doing to hero click what wizards did to magic.the game is being ruined because people complian about the stupid ablites of the clix.so what if superman carries your shiels sniper.its done all of the time in the comics.and if here clix isnt a comic based game howcome there are COMIC BOOK FIGURES IN IN?sorry if i come off too strong but this really buns me.feel free to burn me at the stake for this.
andy
Capitals are so hard to use.
Originally posted by Manchine
Starts singing the Bananarama song
Karl Karl bo Barl
Fe fye foo Farl
Karl
:laugh: :p ;)
At least he isn't "Chuck."
Artie Deco
10/22/2003, 13:19
Originally posted by hair10
I will say again (stated it in some other thread) that nobody came up to me after the tourney and said “wow! I love the new rules!”. I did have 3 people come up afterwards and voice some form of complaint about them.
Of course they did. And if NAAT had been the original rule and they had recently changed it to AAAT ("action allowed after taxiing" ... what is the opposite of NAAT, anyway??) you still would have had people coming up to you and complaining.
Some people just don't like change. And that's all NAAT is: a change. It's neither better nor worse than the original rule, it's just different.
Artie Deco
10/22/2003, 13:22
...And by the way, it's not a "Bannanarama" song. It's "The Name Game" by Shirley Ellis. And Karl's name would have gone:
Karl Karl Bo Barl
Bananna Fanna Fo Farl
Fe Fi Mo Marl
Karl
:)
Originally posted by Artie Deco
Of course they did. And if NAAT had been the original rule and they had recently changed it to AAAT ("action allowed after taxiing" ... what is the opposite of NAAT, anyway??) you still would have had people coming up to you and complaining.
Some people just don't like change. And that's all NAAT is: a change. It's neither better nor worse than the original rule, it's just different.
YES! YES! YES! Games are fickle. Nothing ever pleases them.
TheOneRob
10/22/2003, 13:37
Originally posted by Manchine
The figs Actually they werent based on the old rules. The only power based on the new rules were HSS. Flying characters (what creatures?) were defiantly as powerful as they would normally be. THere were no competitive ways to deal with taxi style teams. A team can easily move halfway across the board and still attack you on the first turn is bull. Also it provides no strategy to fight such a team. Taxi was not added into the point formula (this part is really old news) so they limited it without getting rid of it. Yes there will be new Strategies that will become dominate. The difference is strategies. Unlike the old rules where it was one strategy.
I absolutely agree. After playing my first trournament with the new rules I am shocked at just how bad the old rules were. (Batman is quite litterally a god now)
Also, I disagree with the orignal posters assertion that the characters and point costs were geared to the pre-NAAT rules. I think the Taxi or die style of play was unforseen and that the designers set point costs expecting a game more like the post-NAAT style of play.
Death to the 15 point Vulture flying upgrade!!
hey,
they shure are.take your time to tear up my post.dont forget the typos.
andy
darius_dax1
10/22/2003, 14:01
what?!?!?!?!?:rolleyes: :confused:
Originally posted by darius_dax1
what?!?!?!?!?:rolleyes: :confused:
He is referring to my post ripping on his inability to use capitals. I don't mind typos. They do happen. Laziness with not using capitals and puntuation is another thing.
Manchine
10/22/2003, 16:44
ifhecannotusecapitalsidontwanttousespaces formytalksitmakesitsomucheasiertotalklikethisdontforgethowfasticantypealso
If he can not use capitals. I dont want to use spaces for my talks. It makes it so much easier to talk like this. Dont forget how fast i can type also.
spidey6977
10/31/2003, 12:52
Originally posted by sierralegend
To correct this, Heroclix is Superheroes based game, NOT comic book based game. Got it?
;)
How can you have a superhero based game that is not based on comic books? Of course this would explain why some of the characters are more powerful than they should be while others are not as powerful as they should be.
As for the NAAT rule, I disagree with this rule due to superhero basis. This has actually become a joke around my town. Thor flies in with wolverine and drops him from 30 feet up. He has to wait to attack because he is knocked out from the impact of hitting the ground.
I can live with the no carrying fliers rule. Hey they can fly, let them fend for themselves.
I would also like to comment on the taxi rule being thrown in at the last minute. This is completely not true. They changed the rule to NAAT in order to make some characters the way they are supposed to be. For instance Ironman. If they made him as powerful as he should be and gave him the original taxi rule, he would be a god. How is wolverine able to hit as hard as ironman with his weaponry. (If the worlds loves wolverine as much as the people around here then I know you are all going to be jumping down my throat and criticising me) I am ready to hear your complaints on my post.
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