Justice like Lightning! The Thunderbolts clan is here!

[BalladBird]

all i want from the new thunderbolts is a real throw down between moonstone and songbird. just need to see it. and if it happens hopefully it will lend to the story rather than happen for no good reason... well even then it be nice to see lol

[WakandaMan]

Just got my issue as well and it looks great. I think Cage is a great fit for the team.

I have a somewhat important question to put to you guys:

- When you think of the Thunderbolts logo, what colours is it?


Don't know if you know, but ChiRocker has been making custom dice with different logos on the 6. For his next wave he's planning to do the Thunderbolts logo, but we're debating what colours it should be. I'd like to know your thoughts.

[Bob]

Just got my issue as well and it looks great. I think Cage is a great fit for the team.

I have a somewhat important question to put to you guys:

- When you think of the Thunderbolts logo, what colours is it?


Don't know if you know, but ChiRocker has been making custom dice with different logos on the 6. For his next wave he's planning to do the Thunderbolts logo, but we're debating what colours it should be. I'd like to know your thoughts.

I'm picturing a yellow thunderbolt on a red background myself...

Here are a couple of links - I'm thinking something like Songbird's belt:

http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/Songbird.jpg
http://www.dragonhero.com/graphics/marvel2/songbird2.jpg

[Maniac_nmt]

I would also think something red with a yellow thunderbolt and circle would be about right.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I'm really digging this new team. The only thing that bugs me about it is that it's hard for me to swallow Luke Cage being on two teams. Thunderbolts and New Avengers are pretty much the two main comics I follow, and for him to do double duty AND have a family is tough for me to swallow. I mean, how much should he be crossing over? Will he wear those new armbands in New Avengers?

Anyway, I think Cage belongs in Thunderbolts above Avengers at this point. He was great in New Avengers (The... Old... New Avengers) because they were kind of a bootleg team, and Luke always likes being kind of low budget. He always felt awkward when Iron Fist used his money for anything in the old days, so it's weird to see him move into the Avengers mansion. I think his character fits a lot better acting as a drill sergeant to prisoners.

[Maniac_nmt]

I'm really digging this new team. The only thing that bugs me about it is that it's hard for me to swallow Luke Cage being on two teams. Thunderbolts and New Avengers are pretty much the two main comics I follow, and for him to do double duty AND have a family is tough for me to swallow. I mean, how much should he be crossing over? Will he wear those new armbands in New Avengers?

Anyway, I think Cage belongs in Thunderbolts above Avengers at this point. He was great in New Avengers (The... Old... New Avengers) because they were kind of a bootleg team, and Luke always likes being kind of low budget. He always felt awkward when Iron Fist used his money for anything in the old days, so it's weird to see him move into the Avengers mansion. I think his character fits a lot better acting as a drill sergeant to prisoners.

It also gives him an air of 'having graduated'. A sort of 'I paid my dues with the Avengers, and now I'm viewed as big time by the powers that be'.

Kind of like Hawkeye fit better, he'd grown up some and could be trusted to be responsible for a team.

I'm not saying Cage wasn't, but serving with the Avengers would buy you a lot of credit, particularly if it meant a 'promotion' to a highly publicized team's leader.

[thanosstar]

Hey guys. my name is ryan. il be representing manthing.

[candusima]

Can't believe I haven't found this thread yet. Can I be Ogre?

[WakandaMan]

Can't believe I haven't found this thread yet. Can I be Ogre?

Absolutely! I'm a big fan of Ogre. :) Glad to have you.

And welcome also to thanosstar, first member of the new, new, new, New Thunderbolts! ;)

[thanosstar]

Sweet! i love thunderbolts !

[Xais]

I'll buy into this. Put me down for Crossbones.

[thanosstar]

Welcome! now we need a luke cage

[Xais]

Welcome! now we need a luke cage

I think NEED is a strong word. Nobody NEEDS a boss or handler. Just a case of beer, a sturdy truck, and a teloscopic lens pointed in the center of the star.....

[WakandaMan]

I don't know. I think Man-thing could certainly use a handler.

[thanosstar]

Wow lol. not sure what to say. u got me stunned wakanda. lol

[WakandaMan]

Huh? Get your mind outta the gutter!

:p ;)

[Logan71]

sweetness love tbolts

[DARKKNIGHT188]

I can Pull of the juggernaut if need be one.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I just caught up on the past two months. This comic totally rules! I love every character on the team and the action is so satisfying. That 3 way split during the prison breakout was awesome!

[Owlman]

I just caught up on the past two months. This comic totally rules! I love every character on the team and the action is so satisfying. That 3 way split during the prison breakout was awesome!

I'm not gonna lie, it was the only time I've really liked US Agent. That says a lot, 'cause I normally hate that character.

[Xais]

Waiting to see what the tainted mist is gonna do to Brock. Hoping for some kind of enhancement, but probly nothing good will come of this for him.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Also, does anyone think Fixer's been kind of weird in this book? Maybe it's just because he hasn't had a mission with the team yet like the other old members, but he's always hanging out in the shadows and he's kind of awkward.

[WakandaMan]

Also, does anyone think Fixer's been kind of weird in this book? Maybe it's just because he hasn't had a mission with the team yet like the other old members, but he's always hanging out in the shadows and he's kind of awkward.

Yeah seems like he's become generic 'technical support guy' and lost a lot of the attitude that makes him cool.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Man, I don't want to see this discussion die while the team on right now is probably my favorite lineup. I've been liking all the characters Except Crossbones, who is now gone!

I also liked to see that bonus narration by Moonstone and Songbird in #150. I hope that means they're still thinking about the older stuff. The old characters haven't been getting attention much lately. Now that the core members have meshed together, the chaperons can wake up a little.

[WakandaMan]

Yeah I just got issue #150 myself. Great stuff. Tbolts hasn't been this good in a long while.

Great to see Crossbones gone now. Wonder if they'll replace him with someone that has more redemptive qualities?

My only gripe is that the 'support crew' T-bolts seem to have lost a lot of their personality. But the core team is lots of fun.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Well, I assume Troll is going to take his place, but I wonder if he'll become a villain for them.

[thanosstar]

i havent got the issue yet...how id crossbones go

[WakandaMan]

What do you mean by go? How was he kicked off?

[Owlman]

Crossbones tried to kill Steve Rogers when everyone got separated in issue #150. It also came out that Crossbones killed the guy that the Thunderbolts were trying to rescue in the Shadowland crossover, so Luke isn't having any of that.

[WakandaMan]

CHECK THIS OUT T-BOLTS!

Jeff Parker has a survey on Marvel.com at the moment, asking who should be the next Thunderbolt!

Choose the next Thunderbolts (http://marvel.com/news/story/14891/choose_the_next_thunderbolt?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Pulse272&utm_term=Link5&utm_content=ChoosetheNextThunderbolt&utm_campaign=Pulse272Newsletter12212010)

The options listed are:
- Batroc
- Mr. Hyde
- Dark Beast
- Absorbing Man
- Sandman
- Ana Kraven
- Dr. Demonicus
- Madame Masque
- Living Laser
- Scarecrow
- The Griffin
- The Shocker
- Brother Grimm

And there's an option to choose your own.

This is really hard. Sandman, Madame Masque and Absorbing Man stand out to me as cool choices. They've all shown the potential to reform at times, and they're all quite well known villians. But I'm tempted to pick my own choice as well.

[PvtChurch]

Was anyone keeping tabs on the poll before it ended? I voted to see The Shocker on the team, though Sandman or Living Laser would be pretty cool. I kinda wanted to see The Hood on the list, and I'm afraid if Madame Masque is picked there will be a little "I hate Tony Stark" group forming.

Also, I just found out about this little group here, think I could be Cage? And how has Ghost not been taken yet, come on!

[DarkBlueAnt]

Well Ghost doesn't hate Tony Stark anymore, so don't worry about that.

And Shocker probably won. I wouldn't mind him on the team. He fills the gap for a thuggish average guy.

[WakandaMan]

Sure you can be Luke Cage! Welcome aboard, new leader! ;)

[Maniac_nmt]

I would have liked to see Living Laser make the cut. He's fantastically powerful now, but has shown points in his career where he could change. The team would pick up a Genis-vel 'esque' sanity, some more super science, and someone who may want to reform (it could be fun watching him wanting to but occasionally being to crazy to capatalize on it).}

[candusima]

OK so I have a confession. I stopped buying the book as soon as Norman tried to BS Obama. (Fake) Black Widow's boobs and Ant Man notwithstanding, it just didn't grab me. I stayed away when the post Siege revamp happened, because it sounded like Marvel was just giving up on the idea of the 'bolts and calling it the Suicide Squad.

I found a half price copy of the Cage arc (#144-147) and I still don't think it's the book I'd like. But it is entertaining in the extreme, and I get to see most of my originals, even if they're mostly in support roles. I think the most rewarding art of the entire affair so far has been Moonstone being, well, her usual and increasingly slutty self while everyone on the team refuses to be fooled at all.

Except for Man-Thing. Congratulations, you super (silicone)powered Dr. Faustus wannabe, your extensive psychiatric training has enabled you to seduce a swamp carrot. Bravo.

[WakandaMan]

OK so I have a confession. I stopped buying the book as soon as Norman tried to BS Obama. (Fake) Black Widow's boobs and Ant Man notwithstanding, it just didn't grab me. I stayed away when the post Siege revamp happened, because it sounded like Marvel was just giving up on the idea of the 'bolts and calling it the Suicide Squad.

I found a half price copy of the Cage arc (#144-147) and I still don't think it's the book I'd like. But it is entertaining in the extreme, and I get to see most of my originals, even if they're mostly in support roles. I think the most rewarding art of the entire affair so far has been Moonstone being, well, her usual and increasingly slutty self while everyone on the team refuses to be fooled at all.

Except for Man-Thing. Congratulations, you super (silicone)powered Dr. Faustus wannabe, your extensive psychiatric training has enabled you to seduce a swamp carrot. Bravo.

Yeah I agree. It's still not as great as Original T-bolts, Hawkeye's T-bolts, or even Abe's T-bolts, but it's pretty good. Definitely feels more like how it used to be, along the same lines as those old classics. Cage is a great fit to the team.

My only gripe is that other than Karla, they've wiped the personalities of the other T-bolts they are using.

[Owlman]

The poll is interesting. Even though I know they won't win, I had to go with the Brothers Grimm. I like the Night Shift, and after Gypsy Morph joined the Thunderbolts way back I've been hoping to see some of the other members in the T-Bolts title.

[Wade Wilson]

See, I find it weird that they had the poll if they didn't use the results :-/ I mean the new member seems to be

Hyperion

Who I don't remember being in the poll...

[Owlman]

See, I find it weird that they had the poll if they didn't use the results :-/ I mean the new member seems to be

Hyperion

Who I don't remember being in the poll...

There's nothing that says we won't still see the winner of the poll join the Thunderbolts. After all, the T- Bolts roster has gone through several changes over the years, and the roster frequently gets rehauled as new stories develop. Remember, Ghost is the only Thunderbolt who remained from the Dark Reign-Siege roster. We could see other Thunderbolts go the way of Crossbones before too long.

[WakandaMan]

See, I find it weird that they had the poll if they didn't use the results :-/ I mean the new member seems to be

Hyperion

Who I don't remember being in the poll...

Uh....considering that issue was almost certainly written well before the Poll was put online, I don't think that the Poll was about him. But then I don't think that he's necessarily going to just go with the poll winner anyway. From the way it was worded, it seemed like he was just looking for feedback on options.

[UndeadEnigma]

I don't think it is him. I think he's going to be a part of the T-Bolts already cause he's in the next issue, now as to if he sticks around that's something only the writer knows for sure. Going by the poll I have to say Shocker or Batroc seem the most interesting. I'd also like to see Sandman but we've been down that road before.

Anyway, I've recently joined your ranks as Scourge (Nuke). I'm a huge fan of the series and I felt it was about time I made myself known to other T-Bolt fans.

Thanks for having me...

[Owlman]

So is anyone still reading the Thunderbolts? I loved the most recent issue, with Hyperion joining the team and Fixer seemingly up to something. The book is going in a good direction here.

Also, King Hyperion!

[DarkBlueAnt]

Also, does anyone think Fixer's been kind of weird in this book? Maybe it's just because he hasn't had a mission with the team yet like the other old members, but he's always hanging out in the shadows and he's kind of awkward.

Let it be known that I am perceptive.

While I'm on a roll, I'm going to gamble with another prediction. If I get this one, I'm treating myself to a frosty milkshake.

I bet Fixer is actually Techno (the robotic version of Fixer from the early Thunderbolts issues) and that he's working with Zemo again. He seemed really suspicious in the first issue when they said he did a good Zemo impression.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Anyone read 153? That's the most pumped I've been about Juggernaut since the early 90's. He was just awesome in that issue.

[Oroci]

153 was the first issue I actually read in quite awhile, and I was thrilled. Between Juggernaut's behavior, the ending, and Ghost's actions, I was very pleased indeed.

[Owlman]

Issue 153 was fantastic, and the final page makes it one of my favorite issues of Thunderbolts ever. I really love how Juggernaut is being written in this title, and I like how Ghost (anti-social little freak that he is) is helping hold the team together.

[UndeadEnigma]

Issue 153 was great, I'm digging the direction of the book entirely. The Juggernaut turning out to be quite the hero is a great nod to the character's development with the team, plus the throw down between him and King Hyperion was just fantastic eye candy, especially the aftermath of the brawl, OUCH.

Dark Blue Ant,
I have to agree with you about Fixer, I'm hoping that your right, cause it would put a spin on the team that goes to the core of the original series.

Can't wait till the next issue. Best Marvel book around period.

[thanosstar]

cant lie...thunderbolts is my favorite marvel book right now...and im a huge avengers fan...doesnt help manthing is my fav character

[WakandaMan]

Hey guys I did a Moonstone repaint that some of the older-school Tbolts fans might appreciate:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312326

Also, is anyone reading the current Hawkeye mini-series? I just saw part of it online, and it looks like it delves into a lot of Hawkeye's and Zemo's Thunderbolts history. Although I think maybe the continuity is a bit messy.

[thanosstar]

Hey guys I did a Moonstone repaint that some of the older-school Tbolts fans might appreciate:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312326

Also, is anyone reading the current Hawkeye mini-series? I just saw part of it online, and it looks like it delves into a lot of Hawkeye's and Zemo's Thunderbolts history. Although I think maybe the continuity is a bit messy.

very nice repaint bro

[WakandaMan]

Thanks.

I'm curious to know....we've had so many different line-ups of the Thunderbolts now, so what was your favourite?

I'm personally fond of the 'Marvel's Most Wanted Line-up" where Moonstone led them, then Hawkeye joined up as new leader and Charcoal and Ogre later as well. I also like the classic originals a lot.

Abe's 'New Thunderbolts' were fun too. And I like the current team (Juggernaut rules!).

[bcjbcj24]

So I can't pick something already chosen? No dupes? Alright I would've gone with Juggernaut but I'll settle for Grizzly, from Osborne's Thunderbolts. Sign me up!

[WakandaMan]

So I can't pick something already chosen? No dupes? Alright I would've gone with Juggernaut but I'll settle for Grizzly, from Osborne's Thunderbolts. Sign me up!

Welcome aboard! I like Grizzly. :)

[DarkBlueAnt]

So I just caught up on the last 3 months. How long do you guys think the "B-Team" will last? I'm surprised they didn't just throw Troll onto the main team already.

Also, looks like they finally made a compromise on Songbird's hair.

[chrysalis]

I've been following the title for years, but I gave up the Thunderbolts after reading 2 or 3 issues of Cage's team. To my mind, Jeff Parker (writer), missed the whole "redeeming" point which is central to the thunderbolts. The Norman Osborn story arc already kind of ruined it already, but there were still people like Songbird, R-Man or Swordman to work this "redeeming" aspect. Instead of that, I feel like the characters have completely lost their consistency (Melissa? Abe?? Karla???), and the new members look like they were placed here just to have some sensational credit to the new team (Crossbones, Juggernaut...). Finally, I also think the title lost its very soul because Marvel wanted to tie it too much to their "big event": Civil War was not so badly done, but Secret Invasion and Siege had the Thunderbolts take a role that was not theirs (to me)...

To have me return on this title, Marvel will have to come back to the roots of the Thunderbolts, and make an interesting team around the redeeming concept (and not nano-robots-piloted mercenaries). It was already done when the title was kind of rebooted in "New Thunderbolts" and it was just brilliant. That's the kind of Thunderbolts I want to read!

[DarkBlueAnt]

Well, old Thunderbolts comics wern't subtle about it at all. The dialogue was like:

"Hey Abe isn't is great to be redeeming ourselves after we used to be the Masters of Evil?"
"Yeah Melissa, being given another shot at redemption is the best. What do you think, Jolt?"
"Totally redemptious!"


Now it's more subtle. You actually have to get to know the characters and figure out if they're legit. In the most recent issue
it's pretty obvious that Juggernaut is starting to take the redemption thing more seriously. Luke uses the nanobots on him and leaves him behind for a mission. He's incredibly offended and his biggest fear is being replaced on the team. It was also revealed that Ghost's biggest fear was being haunted by the people he killed, so he's probably serious about it too.

[chrysalis]

Maybe I'll get a look then.

I also have to add that the MACH V armor is really ugly compared to the MACH IV. Too bad it doesn't look like the one on #136 (alt?) cover, it was very promising.

[UndeadEnigma]

I think the B-team is a vehicle for the current arc, I wouldn't be surprised if only a few select members of that team survive. Also, the Juggernaut situation, could that have something to do with the Fear itself books? That is what it looks like to me, Marco is going to have a chance to become more powerful and he's gonna run with it.

[WakandaMan]

Maybe I'll get a look then.

Yeag a big part of why I am enjoying the Cage run T-bolts is that it is finally about redemption again. Juggernaut and Ghost are especially showing progress. Juggy seems to fit the same kinda role that Atlas used to in the early days, while Ghost reminds me of Abe a bit (maybe a cross between Abe and Fixer).

Although I agree with you that the personalities on Abe, Fixer and Melissa have been a bit flat since the new team started.

I also have to add that the MACH V armor is really ugly compared to the MACH IV. Too bad it doesn't look like the one on #136 (alt?) cover, it was very promising.

Agree on this one!

[Owlman]

I ave to agree with Juggernaut being a prime candidate for redemption. He's already done a stint with the X-Men as a hero, and now he's trying to be the hero again. He's also shown a good deal of concern for his teammates in past issues, making saving them a top priority. I can see Shocker on the new team looking to redeem himself, and Troll feels like the new Jolt, so those two make nice additions. Hyde's a lost cause, and Centurius and Boomerang seem unlikely to reform, given their dialogue during the interviews.

I will not complain if we see a significant portion of the team turn on itself. While Singbird and Abe are still serious about making the Thunderbolts mean something, Cage has been a shoddy leader and Fixer seems up to something, so there's plenty of room to shake things up. I want to see Zemo and Atlas return to this title so badly... How long has it been since all six of the originals appeared in the title? The Civil War issues?

[Greg]

could i be ghost????

[WakandaMan]

could i be ghost????

Of course! You have been added to our ongoing membership roster! :)

I'm impressed that a comic accurate Thunderbolts theme team almost won the US Nationals. Good stuff! For those who don't know the team that came second was:

HoT Moonstone
WoS Bullseye
HoT Venom

[DarkBlueAnt]

I'm not really impressed at that team, since they're all cheesy pieces. I really am iffy at how Thunderbolts have been handled in Heroclix.

Pros:
-Thunderbolts have an amazing team ability
-Bullseye, Moonstone, and Venom are among the best pieces in the game

Cons:
-Thunderbolts team ability and the three characters get abused by people who barely know who they are because they're too good.
-New Juggernaut didn't get Thunderbolts keyword (Again, probably because it would have made him too good...)
-Thunderbolts team ability doesn't even make sense They would never be so versatile. For the most part they're a shoddy team that doesn't really know or want to work together (Which is what makes them interesting). If anything, their ability should be like Masters of Evil where it's more a solo ability (And reflects their origins).
-Osborn's Thunderbolts should get a different keyword than normal Thunderbolts, since they're not really the same team. I can't see Jolt and Hawkeye teaming up with Venom and Bullseye just because of a team name.


Unrelated: Captain America set is making Zemo, Fixer, and Thunderbolts uniform Luke Cage... so they haven't been forgotten at least.

[WakandaMan]

Totally agree with you Dark Blue. Also, that HoT Moonstone, as much as she's a great figure....the dial just isn't very Moonstone to me. I really want that LE Moonstone, just so I can get one that actually feels right (can't believe it took them this long to give her Perplex! Perplex is what she does!)

As for the team that came second being all cheesy pieces....of course it was! It's the Nationals!

Looking forward to seeing the dials for Cage and Fixer. Especially Fixer, since his old ones really didn't do him justice. The Zemo looks like Heinrich to me though (Helmut's dad) so not a Tbolt.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Looking forward to seeing the dials for Cage and Fixer. Especially Fixer, since his old ones really didn't do him justice.

Sadly, they never did Cage justice either. I've tried playing new Thunderbolts a bunch of times and the only one who ever lasts is Moonstone. Cage is a total pushover... And Ghost... why the hell haven't they redone Ghost yet!? It's been 3 sets since his revamp!

[WakandaMan]

Sadly, they never did Cage justice either. I've tried playing new Thunderbolts a bunch of times and the only one who ever lasts is Moonstone. Cage is a total pushover... And Ghost... why the hell haven't they redone Ghost yet!? It's been 3 sets since his revamp!

I don't mind the Vet FF Cage (better than the Avengers one IMO) but he's still not great. Still, I look forward to a good Cage. I wonder if he'll have a SP for his nano-control of the other Tbolts?

[DarkBlueAnt]

I just finished a Troll custom sculpt (It's in my album). Looking for a dial if you have any suggestions. Right now I'm torn between:

mu007 E Brood
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 49
Keywords: Brood, Warbound
m-winga-fistd-shieldg-starburst89163891627101527101526914278132KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

and

aw047 E Wendigo
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 61
Keywords: Brute, Monster
m-boota-fistd-shieldg-starburst8917388162881638715277152771427614276132KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO


I know Brood is way better, but that flight bothers me. I like to be as accurate as possible.

[Owlman]

The flight on Brood just doesn't feel right for a Troll substitute. I think I like the Wendigo dial better.

[WakandaMan]

Wendigo is better. She shouldn't have flight.

What about V Executioner? Everything on that is good except the Phasing, but it's only 3 clicks at the end.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I think V Executioner is too strong, but if I needed an Asgardian I might go for the new fast forces guy.

ffha004 R Asgardian Brawler
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Asgardian, Warrior
m-boota-fistd-shieldg-starburst810172791627915269152710162KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

I still like Wendigo more though. I feel like she should have the Battle Fury.

[Owlman]

I think V Executioner is too strong, but if I needed an Asgardian I might go for the new fast forces guy.

ffha004 R Asgardian Brawler
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Asgardian, Warrior
m-boota-fistd-shieldg-starburst810172791627915269152710162KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

I still like Wendigo more though. I feel like she should have the Battle Fury.

I'm not entirely sure about battle fury. She seems to keep a rather cool head in battle, rescuing Boomerang when the rest of the team abandoned him.

[Bob]

Looking forward to seeing the dials for Cage and Fixer. Especially Fixer, since his old ones really didn't do him justice. The Zemo looks like Heinrich to me though (Helmut's dad) so not a Tbolt.

Amen! It's about time they "modernized" 'Bert. Throw in Mentallo to boot?!? I'm sold! :knockedou

[DarkBlueAnt]

I used the new Luke Cage today and he was awesome! They finally did him right. I used him with Ghost, Mr. Hyde, and Cobra and he was using Leadership like a champ. Felt awesome.

Next time I play I'm using this team
http://www.snakevsmongoose.info/Thunderbolts.JPG

494 points, and it looks awesome. (Although I think I'm going to make a custom Moonstone. That sculpt just doesn't pull it's weight).

[Owlman]

I absolutely love your custom Ghost. Wish I had a fraction of your talent, because Ghost, Troll, Mach V, and Ant-Man III all look great. That's a Thunderbolts collection to be proud of.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I wish I could show you the paintjob that Hellboy gave that Ghost. Too bad my camera sucks.

Also I hate to say it but even though we desperately need a new Ghost dial, the old one still kind of holds up. In my game he went up against Adaptoid, and for the cost they were about equal in usefulness. They're both about equally hard to hit (Which is really the only thing a 30 point figure can do)

[Owlman]

I wish I could show you the paintjob that Hellboy gave that Ghost. Too bad my camera sucks.

Also I hate to say it but even though we desperately need a new Ghost dial, the old one still kind of holds up. In my game he went up against Adaptoid, and for the cost they were about equal in usefulness. They're both about equally hard to hit (Which is really the only thing a 30 point figure can do)

That's pretty cool. Still, unless your sculpts go on the market, I'm going to keep chanting for a new Ghost so I can run him in that costume.

[Bob]

Woot!!! My son and I picked up a Cap booster each today and mine had both Mentallo and Fixer :classic:

[WakandaMan]

Just checked out the new Luke Cage dial. Very nice. He'll be great for Thunderbolts teams.

The set has been digustingly delayed here, and I've been trying to avoid spoiling myself on all the dials. Hopefully it will be out tomorrow, or if not it should be the next day.

[thanosstar]

I used the new Luke Cage today and he was awesome! They finally did him right. I used him with Ghost, Mr. Hyde, and Cobra and he was using Leadership like a champ. Felt awesome.

Next time I play I'm using this team
http://www.snakevsmongoose.info/Thunderbolts.JPG

494 points, and it looks awesome. (Although I think I'm going to make a custom Moonstone. That sculpt just doesn't pull it's weight).

ive used manthing a great many times. since its comic accurate my venue allows him to have the thunderbolts keyword...excellent fig if feated up right

[DarkBlueAnt]

ive used manthing a great many times. since its comic accurate my venue allows him to have the thunderbolts keyword...excellent fig if feated up right

I use the Ted Sallis LE because his cost is a bit lower than the E or V and he can break Invulnerable the longest. Also his impervious for two clicks gives him a slight chance to actually waste some time before his inevitable butt kicking.
Before Cap and GSX updated some members, I ran

91 MM209 Ted Sallis
155 FF202 Cain Marko
76 HA022 Moonstone
85 AV016 Luke Cage
47 AV007 Crossbones
36 AW030 Ghost
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490

It worked alright, but Luke Cage in particular was pathetic.
I hope this new team is better. I like that Luke can remove tokens from anyone but Juggernaut (Who is Indomitable anyway)

91 MM209 Ted Sallis
76 HA022 Moonstone
36 AW030 Ghost
98 CA014 Luke Cage
193 GX046 Juggernaut
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494

I can't wait for that new Moonstone. I need to figure out some way to get her for a reasonable price.

[thanosstar]

I use the Ted Sallis LE because his cost is a bit lower than the E or V and he can break Invulnerable the longest. Also his impervious for two clicks gives him a slight chance to actually waste some time before his inevitable butt kicking.
Before Cap and GSX updated some members, I ran

91 MM209 Ted Sallis
155 FF202 Cain Marko
76 HA022 Moonstone
85 AV016 Luke Cage
47 AV007 Crossbones
36 AW030 Ghost
----
490

It worked alright, but Luke Cage in particular was pathetic.
I hope this new team is better. I like that Luke can remove tokens from anyone but Juggernaut (Who is Indomitable anyway)

91 MM209 Ted Sallis
76 HA022 Moonstone
36 AW030 Ghost
98 CA014 Luke Cage
193 GX046 Juggernaut
----
494

I can't wait for that new Moonstone. I need to figure out some way to get her for a reasonable price.

im going to gencon...trading every horseman and wonderwoman i get for moonstones to trade on here

[Owlman]

Spoiler for issue 161:

Fixer is in contact with Zemo, who helps him with some intel on their enemies. That's right, Zemo! We now have four of the six original Thunderbolts appearing regularly and Zemo's made an appearance. All we need is for Atlas to show up. Anyone not picking up this title because it's not the same as it was pre-Civil War, you're missing out!

[WakandaMan]

Well Atlas is back in New Avengers Annual #1....but at Bendis' pen I'm quite concerned that he won't do his justice. Check out this article:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/08/wonder-mans-revengers-to-take-on-the-avengers/comment-page-1/#comment-67730

There's also a preview of the issue here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9447

I actually like the new costume they've given him. Looks cool. But I'm worried that Bendis is not going to be able to justify they shift in motivations for the majority of these characters.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Why would you need a team with both Atlas and Goliath(Isn't he dead?)

Anyway, don't be so harsh on Bendis. Sometimes he's very bad with characters he's not interested (I can't stand how he makes Iron Fist), but sometimes he breathes new life into people who desperately need it.

Let's face it, Atlas has been kind of iffy for a looooong time. Last time he was relate-able was back before he turned into his energy form, IMO. Ever since then, it seems like writers didn't really know what to do with him.


And as for Fixer... I knew he was up to something. He really doesn't seem like a bad guy like I thought he would though. He just seems jealous of everyone. He'll probably end up screwing everyone over, but not meaning it. I want him to bring in the Beta team though. I really like them.

[WakandaMan]

Why would you need a team with both Atlas and Goliath(Isn't he dead?)

Bill Foster's Nephew is the new Goliath. But yeah, they are similar characters. I guess Atlas should be stronger thanks to his Ionic body. I think it's kinda fun to have two giant characters on the same team. In fact most of that team is made up of super-strong brawlers.

Anyway, don't be so harsh on Bendis. Sometimes he's very bad with characters he's not interested (I can't stand how he makes Iron Fist), but sometimes he breathes new life into people who desperately need it.

Yeah, which is why I'm worried. Do you think he's really interested in any of these characters? Seems more like he's using them because he thinks they're characters that no one cares about. But I tend to have soft spot for third stringers, so I care about most of the team.

Last time I enjoyed Bendis was during early Ultimate Spidey. Since he became 'Mr. Avengers' he's made the top Marvel super-team unreadable to me. The only time I was tempted to pick it up in the meantime was when the Dark Avengers were operating- since it was essentially the Thunderbolts (although my second least favourite Thunderbolts line-up). Most of all I HATE that he's had Wolverine on the Avengers...with Steve Rogers blessing no less. Not only is that completely out of character, but it also makes no sense practically (unless someone chopped Wolvie into quarters and each one regrew a whole Wolverine body).

Let's face it, Atlas has been kind of iffy for a looooong time. Last time he was relate-able was back before he turned into his energy form, IMO. Ever since then, it seems like writers didn't really know what to do with him.

Fair enough. I liked him in the Last Defenders mini though.

I've decided to pick up this annual (despite Bendis) mostly for Atlas sake. Although I also like Simon, Devil-Slayer, D-man and Captain Ultra. Hopefully Bendis has a reasonable explanation for why these particular characters are going after the Avengers, because going by the dialogue on the first page alone it really seems out of character.

And as for Fixer... I knew he was up to something. He really doesn't seem like a bad guy like I thought he would though. He just seems jealous of everyone. He'll probably end up screwing everyone over, but not meaning it. I want him to bring in the Beta team though. I really like them.

Still haven't got the latest issue (my shipment should arrive next week) but I'm looking forward to this. I knew Fixer was up to shenaningans!

[DarkBlueAnt]

Most of all I HATE that he's had Wolverine on the Avengers...with Steve Rogers blessing no less. Not only is that completely out of character, but it also makes no sense practically (unless someone chopped Wolvie into quarters and each one regrew a whole Wolverine body).


To be fair, it wasn't Bendis who first made Cap okay with Wolverine. There was some crappy issue of X-men from the late 80's that basically said Cap met Wolverine in World War 2 and they were friends (And Wolverine saved Black Widow's life as a child). And also to be fair, Wolverine isn't the awesome short tempered berserker he once was. Now he's wise and patient or some crap. You never see him go on ignorant temper tantrums anymore or endanger lives by being impatient. The character really got ruined in the early 2000s...


But that's a whole different topic...


Uh... anyway... yeah. I don't think this Atlas appearance will amount to anything. He's part of a group that will probably be a one-shot. I doubt he'll say anything interesting at all, but you never know. If in 2003, you told me that in two years Spider-Woman would be a central character in Marvel, I wouldn't have believed you.

By the way, you're right the Atlas was okay in Last Defenders, but he wasn't central and I can't stand Nighthawk.

[Owlman]

Uh... anyway... yeah. I don't think this Atlas appearance will amount to anything. He's part of a group that will probably be a one-shot. I doubt he'll say anything interesting at all, but you never know. If in 2003, you told me that in two years Spider-Woman would be a central character in Marvel, I wouldn't have believed you.

By the way, you're right the Atlas was okay in Last Defenders, but he wasn't central and I can't stand Nighthawk.

With any luck, Atlas will be incarcerated at the conclusion of the annual and Songbird and Abe will have a chance to recruit him for Thinderbolts duty. I would LOVE to see a full reunion of the original 6 in the pages of Thunderbolts.

[Grategy]

How has no one picked Doctor Octopus yet? Dibs!

[WakandaMan]

Welcom Doc Ock! I added you to the list and also added some of the more recent T-bolts to the open positions. :)

[DarkBlueAnt]

I'm getting worried. Where's Juggernaut been? I mean, I know he was off for Fear Itself, but now that's over and he's still not back with the team. I hope they didn't cut him.

Also I saw that there was a special issue (163.1). I passed it over because it looked like one of those "summary of the team's history to fill in new readers" kind of things. Is it worth it at all?

[WakandaMan]

I'm getting worried. Where's Juggernaut been? I mean, I know he was off for Fear Itself, but now that's over and he's still not back with the team. I hope they didn't cut him.

Also I saw that there was a special issue (163.1). I passed it over because it looked like one of those "summary of the team's history to fill in new readers" kind of things. Is it worth it at all?

I know he fought the X-men during Fear Itself. Anyone read those issues?

[DarkBlueAnt]

I know he fought the X-men during Fear Itself. Anyone read those issues?

Basically all the X-men tried to stop Juggernaut from getting to San Francisco, and they all got beaten. Collosus, Kitty, and Magik go to meet Cyttorak and convince him that Juggernaut isn't serving him anymore. He makes Colossus the new Juggernaut and then there's a super brawl between them.

The thing I'm worried about is that Fear Itself isn't really over, but it seems to be finished in the Thunderbolt's timeline, yet there's still no mention of Juggernaut. I hope that when the Serpent business is over, he doesn't just end up as a normal guy, since Cyttorak isn't on his side now.

[Darknesspwns]

dibs on photon!

[DarkBlueAnt]

So yeah... the two best characters (Ghost and Juggernaut) have been pushed aside and removed from the comic for months...

It really bothers me what has happened to Juggs especially. He was developing and becoming really likable and then BAM! He's sucked into a crossover event and placed in limbo, with the X-men getting all claims to his mantel.

Why is it that every time Juggernaut starts becoming cool and established on his own, he gets sucked up by the X-men. Why does that franchise feel the need to claim all the Cyttorak stuff as being specifically theirs? The character doesn't even have anything to do with mutants other than Marco being semi-related to Professor X. Can't X-men rely on their other 500+ characters?

[UndeadEnigma]

I understand your frustration with Ghost and Juggernaut.

With Cain, it seems that writers had a great turn around making him more of a likable guy. Before he was just the bully who always got his, and didn't go away. Then, like most X villains, he joined the other side. I think it comes from Professor X's peace with everybody philosophy. X Writers seem to enjoy showing the other side of mutants and then having them go back to their old ways. Thunderbolts also shares that in theme to some extent. For the Juggernaut, he was somewhat depowered and vulnerable when the worthy landed in his lap. A good writer will know how to get him back to Cyttorak, and will do so, but it may come at the misfortune of losing him to the T bolts roster. I hope that once the book gets back to the right time and space, that Cain's situation is worked upon, but I'm not holding my breath.

As for Ghost, I'm hoping that his whereabouts are kept in T bolts books. It is where he belongs. Perhaps there is an issue in the works that will bring Ghost back into focus of the team soon, like you that's what I hope is on the way.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Well I get the feeling that Ghost was separated for a while to give the new characters time to develop. When you have one character who everyone likes and then introduce a bunch of new people, you have to give the readers a chance to know them. I can dig it.

I kind of hope Mr. Hyde gets to stick on the team since he's my choice for a Juggernaut replacement, but I really don't think the team is going to be okay with him for too much longer.

[thanosstar]

Well I get the feeling that Ghost was separated for a while to give the new characters time to develop. When you have one character who everyone likes and then introduce a bunch of new people, you have to give the readers a chance to know them. I can dig it.

I kind of hope Mr. Hyde gets to stick on the team since he's my choice for a Juggernaut replacement, but I really don't think the team is going to be okay with him for too much longer.

i agree with this

[Maniac_nmt]

Anyone have an idea on what Zemo is up to over in Captain America? I get that Brubaker is making him all villainy again, but it feels very off for Zemo. He seemed to have buried his hatchet with Steve, and now he's back with some wild scheme against him.

I get that he isn't really a hero, but he isn't really a dastardly villain anymore either. Most of his plans seemed to be for a better purpose but involved dirty paths to get there. Like a man who wants to reform but doesn't know how.

Anymore it just feels like he's given up on that and is just back to Snidely Whiplash mustache twirling, which is boring for Zemo.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Well I liked evil Zemo because the "well meaning, but harsh super genius villain" niche is already filled by Dr. Doom. Those early 2000's stories about good guy Zemo felt like a bad knockoff and it made no sense to me that they would make him like that at all. A big part of Thunderbolts was that they wanted to reform, but always had a bad guy tempting them back to the wrong side. The team deciding that Zemo was a better fit for their leader than Hawkeye was the worst moment of the entire series in my opinion.

That being said, I have no idea what he's been up to.

[Maniac_nmt]

Well I liked evil Zemo because the "well meaning, but harsh super genius villain" niche is already filled by Dr. Doom. Those early 2000's stories about good guy Zemo felt like a bad knockoff and it made no sense to me that they would make him like that at all. A big part of Thunderbolts was that they wanted to reform, but always had a bad guy tempting them back to the wrong side. The team deciding that Zemo was a better fit for their leader than Hawkeye was the worst moment of the entire series in my opinion.

That being said, I have no idea what he's been up to.

See, I don't necessarily see Doom as someone with noble ends. Zemo I liked as this 'the ends are good, but I use horrible means to get there'. I liked how he was turning out like a warped version of the other Thunderbolts.

Where the others were really trying to change and take more noble methods, in a trial for redemption, it was like Zemo only read the cliff notes and said 'hey, maybe this isn't so bad'. Someone to arrogant to really get beyond the high level concept. He struck me as someone moving towards a Punisher like heroism (i.e. the ends justify the means).

Doom is still just a meglomaniac. Occasionally with a thin veneer of morality, but mostly he's just out for Doom. Zemo was moving towards self sacrifice, but for the purpose of making himself look good (without realizing this).

[WakandaMan]

I'm really looking forward to this old school Thunderbolts goodness:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36409

Been really enjoying this time-tripping stuff in general. Boomerang is fast becoming my new favourite T-bolt.

[candusima]

Got a laugh when I picked up the latest issue today. My very first thought when I saw the alternate costumes was "WTF:! Didn't we just have an X-Men crossover? I thought I was looking at Emma, Cyclops, the Goblin Queen/Madelyn Pryor, a beefy Sabretooth, some dude I didn't know that might have been Fantomex, and Troll as the only actual T Bolt on the cover.

And now I can't shake that idea of a team out of my head. Talk about some head trips for Scott . . .

[DarkBlueAnt]

I got a laugh out of the latest issue too. In the scene where they're all eating breakfast, Centurius is just casually making Pop Tarts.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I didn't have any of the right pieces to do it, but I made Troll in Soul Calibur 5 anyway. I imagine her fighting like Lizardman (Minus one axe and a few moves where he grows wings...)

http://www.snakevsmongoose.info/SCTroll.JPG

[DarkBlueAnt]

Has nobody been reading Thunderbolts? The last two issues were awesome.

[Owlman]

Man, the modern vs. classic crossover has been awesome. I'm worried about what will happen to Fixer, though. He really needs to stop and think before he acts.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Yeah, but I like that they're finally addressing Fixer's change in personality. I always liked the horny, joke-making Fixer and was kind of worried that the new writers forgot/weren't interested in what he's supposed to be like.

I'm also really happy to see Moonstone back in form. She hasn't really been up to her normal tricks since waaaay back when Hawkeye was on the team. Since then she went into a coma and then went through a long phase of being evil and slutty, but not so scheming.

Also Ghost in a party hat.

[Puny Human]

I would love to jump on as Mr.Hyde!
Thunderbolts is amazing, never really has my top characters but is consistantly one of my favorite books. Whenever I have to drop titles to make room, Thunderbolts always gets a pass. Just great reading.