Critical Mass Sneak Peek - Archangel

[Draddog]

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<TR><TD COLSPAN="3" ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="1"><B> Archangel</B></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 040</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 37</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> X-Men</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 041</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 53</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> None</TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 042</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 68</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> X-Men</TD></TR></TABLE><P><B>Play Tip/Game Design Note:</B> The <B>HeroClix</B> Archangel spans Warren Worthington III’s career, including the original Angel, member of the Four Horsemen, and his most recent incarnation with the latest X-team. The Rookie Archangel is fast and maneuverable but relies on getting in close to charge his opponent. The Experienced Archangel is the Four Horsemen version, the Angel of Death with razor-sharp wing blades. The addition of a ranged attack opens up new possibilities to the character. The Veteran Archangel is the original version with a lot more experience. Whereas the Rookie version is a cheap harrier and taxi, the Veteran version keeps his charge and maneuverability (treated as Energy Shield/Deflection) all the way down his dial, making him a viable assault character throughout the battle.</TD><TD><IMG SRC="/images/criticalmass/cm040.jpg"></TD></TR></TAbLE>

[vaders sabre]

Right this guy looks cool.

[Joe Kerr]

I like the old look way better, but hey it's an X-Men flyer.

[idiodix]

Great sculpt. Sounds like he'll be a great addition to the X-Men Clix army.

[WarHULK]

Looks very cool. I was hoping for a little more detail on the Horseman level. No mention of support and no Defenders TA... both are disappointing...

[logan_xavier]

Awesome sculpt.

Just one question...

Are they going to do different costumes for each level?

I mean come on the E (maybe V) should have metal wings not feather.

[vaders sabre]

I ment Right on. :)

[Thunderbolts]

A 37 point taxi, o-k...

[CandySuxxx]

that is tight!

[MAXIMUM]

cool. Another xmen member. How different is the pose for Angel. It does look like hes posing for the heisman trophy

[kitsunekaboom]

Nice pose, sounds like a fun character though I doubt I'd ever play the rookie version from the sound of things, and at least they acknowledge the difference in stats if not style when he had the metal wings.

[shin-goji]

Why does he look like...
A. He's checking to see if he steepped in something?
or
B. He's seeing if that leather bodysuit DOES make his butt look big?

[Thunderbolts]

Oh, and also, another victim of Nu-Marvel costume sculpts. Taskmaster was but the first...

He's going to look out of place with the others in their classic duds.

[FoxInStocks]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Why does he look like...
A. He's checking to see if he steepped in something?
or
B. He's seeing if that leather bodysuit DOES make his butt look big?

Looks more like Lord of the Dance to me...

[Speedy]

Sculpt looks good. Nice to get one of the original X-Men in this set. This sculpt will resolve some of the "blue-skin" concerns that have been expressed on these boards.

[Greenandgold]

No defenders TA:

Everything else: :) :mad:

[hair10]

Good sculpt, but that's about it. One of the lamest characters in comics has just been made!

"Woo Hoo!! I can fly... that's it! But thanks to NAAT and FCCF, I can't even do that well."


:):p

Hopefully, they'll swap the wings out on the Exp Version (sounds like the most playable version) and actually add the metal wings to the sculpt! He'd be worth it then... just on looks alone!

[Mr Deadpool]

yeah he will look a little out of place.

But it's good to see that they made him, however they should've done the following IMHO

R: X-Men
E: Defender
V: None (Arch Angel)
U: X-Men

that would be so much better.

But we'll see . . . Thanks,

Cat

[XocgX]

No BCF's for his metal wings? Maybe 2 damage plus RCE?!

[Greenandgold]

Stupid @#$^@^ can't edit @#$%@#$%

No defenders TA: :mad:

Everything else: :)

[DS-00-0, FSD]

WTF!? While the use of the Exp for his "Death-archangel" period makes sense, I still cannot fathom why they would not make him a Defender for the Exp.

I'm hoping that the LE is a Defender, but since WK opted not to make the LE Beast an Avenger, I'm reluctant to think that they will go that route for Warren. Phooey!

[DaLuvster89]

Looks cool, but... I'd rather have seen someone that isn't on boneyards' "confirmed" list yet, ya know? Looks like a cool sculpt, though - I hope they do have different sculpts for each version, though - that would be super-bodacious!

[Tautology]

Sculpt looks good, confirms the theory that all new fliers without range have to have charge to be playable

[lukebuchanan]

He looks so................soft.................and fluffy.

Gimme the Angel of Death with that wicked Simonson mask!!
Now this rich punk can feel Despero's pain.

Oh, great sculpt and decision on affiliation. E will most likely be MOD to cover all his teams.

Luke B.

[The_Kryptonian]

Maybe the Tournament LE would be defenders? We know he's going to be up for grabs. Also, I intended to clip Annilhus's wings, smack some silver paint, re attach, paint the body, loose the hair and make an actual archangel. Great sculpt.

[mutieloverx]

37 points for the rookie
thats too many points
should be no more than vulture with x-team ability
about 20 points

and the vet
what the ???
Archangel is no Hawkman
What is he going to have that makes he 68 points
I hope lots of 9 attack support

[skforeman]

i would love to see a proper purple/blue costume w/metal wings sculpt for at least one version of archangel...

i'm also a bit confused as to why they labelled all versions of him as "archangel" instead of doing a "Boom-Boom/Meltdown" switcheroo...

but overall, i'm EXTREMELY happy! keep it up, and i'll buy a case!

[Yeti]

The Vet looks like a awesome piece. Charge ALL THE WAY DOWN THE DIAL!!!!!!!! Um.... does anyone else think that that is amazing?

The E version looks to have (dare I say it) B/C/F..... but he has a range too, and will probably keep charge as well.

All in all I think a pretty solid flyer under the new rule system.

[Yeti]

The Vet looks like a awesome piece. Charge ALL THE WAY DOWN THE DIAL!!!!!!!! Um.... does anyone else think that that is amazing?

The E version looks to have (dare I say it) B/C/F..... but he has a range too, and will probably keep charge as well.

All in all I think a pretty solid flyer under the new rule system.

[Punish This !!]

Not Bad, Don't Like the Pose But Hey, Hes an X-men Member so it's Ok by me. I have to Agree with everyone on this Subject .... No Defenders TA ??? What The Hell, Should have done something for that at the Least. I Think the Best way to show him would be as follows:

R - Original Costume (X-men)
E - Don't Remember the Costume (Defenders)
V - New X Men Costume (X-Men)
U - Blue Skin, Razor Wings / BCF with this one (None)

Support for all the Versions but a Unique .... Just My Humble Opinion on the whole thing.

[Noman]

Realy, realy happy to have an REV Angel - I was worried he might be a Blue skinned, metal winged Unique...

The pose is a bit iffy, and could probably do with a simple torso to legs realighnment , just to make it a bit more plausable - but the good news it's a fairly no-frills costume, which means repaints in the more appropriate costume(s) will be easy.

I agree with the above post which said the "old" style costumes are better than "Nu-Marvel" - but at least we actualy have a usable Angel which can be made to actualy look like him with a minimum amount of work.

...and it goes without saying that I REALY hope he doesn't have healing AT ALL - the whole secondary mutations story line is silly in the extreme - almost worthy of Mr Leifeld.

All in all, this is one REV that will see lots of tourney use, as well as lots of modding.

Thanks Guys.

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Billy Jack]

Sweet an Angel REV. I was really worried that they were going to do the Archangel as another Nightcrawler piece. *Don't get me started on that* Someone mentioned about doing different period costumes, that would be kewl. I personally like the classic angel blue uniform with the halo in the middle.

[Red Gambit]

Disappointed in many ways:

Here's how it should have been done:

First off, why the New costume now? They should have matched him up with the old costumes of the others.

Rookie: Okay, I do admit, except for the above complaint, he's fine.

Experienced: A UNIQUE should have been the bladed Archangel! With a different sculpt! The Experienced should have had Defenders TA. Which one is going to? I agree, why no Avengers Beast LE?

Veteran: While that's the only version that makes sense with the sculpt, does he have support? This wasn't mentioned. Maybe the LE has support?

Well, aside from my complaints, it's still a fine sculpt and hopefully a playable figure despite the point cost.

[mysterio_lives]

ANOTHER x-man......."yipee":rolleyes:

try showing something besides an x-man for next weeks preview please.....like kraven or electro

[hair10]

Originally posted by Tautology
confirms the theory that all new fliers without range have to have charge to be playable
That's what I've been saying! :)

[Red Gambit]

And in addition I just wanted to say that I do like the New X-Men costumes better than the old ones in ways...

[DaLuvster89]

Mysterio, any more your complaints just crack me up! :)

That was classic.

[Draft]

Nice, but the E version should have been a Defender. The Archangel horseman should be a unique and a heck of a lot tougher than 53 points. Will have to see details on his dial before more through rant can me made ;)

[SonofVader]

I'm worried about the lack of Support. He was a terrible character to begin with (see: hair10's comment), but has gone through some wonderful changes. Now, he looks like he might be poop on a stick. I assume they'll mess up the E because everyone wants different things on Archangel. Charge all over is nice, but I'd like to see some more love for accurate representations of Marvel characters.

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by Punish This !!
E - Don't Remember the Costume (Defenders)



Red bodysuit with white gloves/boots/center of front torso. On his chest was a yellow halo slighty tilted. A red semi-mask (face & hair exposed, everything else covered)

I re-painted a Rookie Vulture to use on a Defenders team (which it looks like I'll keep using based on the point cost of the real Angel . . . )

[clix]

Pretty sweet figure. Can't wait to see his full dial

[AZS]

Alright! Angel!

Overpower, eat your heart out!

[spam01]

Well, at least now we can have a "classic" xteam....That's good, yes?

Spam

[LuckyJ]

Well...it seems that they took alot of options regarding this character and chose the worst possible one. If they changed the names of Boom-Boom and Invisible Girl, why couldn't they have 2 Angels and an Archangel? I think that's stupid.

On top of that, the Vet should have Support, Regeneration, and Charge. But then again, I think that the Vets should be drawn from their most recent continuity. But they don't do that (ie Jean Grey).

Sorry to complain. I'll still be happy with the set, but it's kinda disappointing when you're hoping for something and it doesn't happen, y'know?

[Billy Jack]

Correct me if I am wrong but I have a hunch everyone would want to get the exp more than the vet or rookie. Just a hunch:) Oh btw I agree with m-lives, cmon one deffender or avenger or defunct teams theme set, please! :rolleyes: :devious: :sleep:

[CandySuxxx]

instead of Annilhus i finally have a base to put my Death (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/misterscratchers/lst?.dir=/Old+Mods/Previous+Mods-Archangel&.src=ph&.view=) mod on! sweeet!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

A local store owner has repainted Live Wire to Angel's Defenerders-era costume (red and white) and glued a pair of wings on him. With all his different looks, I imagine this will be an oft-modded piece.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by hair10
Good sculpt, but that's about it. One of the lamest characters in comics has just been made!

"Woo Hoo!! I can fly... that's it! But thanks to NAAT and FCCF, I can't even do that well."


:):p

Hopefully, they'll swap the wings out on the Exp Version (sounds like the most playable version) and actually add the metal wings to the sculpt! He'd be worth it then... just on looks alone!
Dude, he's SO going on my Sentinel capture wall.

[hair10]

Originally posted by SonofVader
I'm worried about the lack of Support. He was a terrible character to begin with (see: hair10's comment), but has gone through some wonderful changes.
I actually hate his new "changes". Healing blood? Where the heck did he come up with that?!!? He was a ####py character before, now he's a ####py character they are just trying to make useful.

[Frongoid]

I am SO going to cut him off at the waist an face him the right way.

It's nice to see Marvel get some more mid-level fliers though... Cosmic Justice made me want to cry with all the DC fliers.

[shin-goji]

You know, this postively itches. I've seen two weeks worth of pictures on HCRealms that I could use for cartoons but can't! Ihave to wait till the figures are available before I can shoot the toons for Ultimate Hero-Lix. Lordy. I'll just write down the ideas, but this is like dangling a steak in front of a hungry man :)

[Red Gambit]

Very funny Shin-Goji!

I guess that maybe I should shut my trap, I can just repaint the experienced version. You guys are right, no more Vulture/Annihilus mods.

[Red Gambit]

Very funny Shin-Goji!

I guess that maybe I should shut my trap, I can just repaint the experienced version. You guys are right, no more Vulture/Annihilus mods.

[Psylockeslover]

As a long time X-fan that has been one of the many clamoring for Angel/Archangel, I can only say......meh.....:disappoin

[Balor]

Have I stepped into the whine-asssss Form???

The Figure is Awsome looking, at least its not the same as alot of the others from past sets. I think the Vet and Exp are going to be very playable, unless his stats are bad.

[Red Gambit]

Sorry about that multipost...

Hey Shin, I'll make you an Archangel Hero-lix comic! I've gotten better at photoshop!

[SonofVader]

Originally posted by hair10
I actually hate his new "changes". Healing blood? Where the heck did he come up with that?!!? He was a ####py character before, now he's a ####py character they are just trying to make useful.

Wow. I was actually impressed with the theory (note: NOT execution) of the secondary mutations. I couldn't figure out why people mutated just once, and that was when I was 8 reading the X-Men comics. I also couldn't understand the single power idea.

And my changes reference was to making him poor, turning him into Archangel, etc. Healing blood is at least a turn for a weird character, but had nothing to do with my "changes" comment.

[Namor]

Man.................. I was hoping his exp. version would have the Defenders team ability. I was also hoping for a unique version with the metal wings, that wouldve been cool. The new X-Men costumes suck almost as bad as the comics themselves.

[Red Gambit]

Yeah Balor, the whining has gotten nuts, and I am one of the whiners. -SIGH- The sculpt and paint job are definitely not anything to complain about!

[shin-goji]

Thank you Red Gambit :) This figure will be nice, but I plan to mod it with two spears through his wings.

[Thanosied]

Very unimpressed. Its not Angel and its not Archangel, its the S H I T T Y new version with movie like #### costume. So I guess everyone will want the E version and that about it. 68 points for probably a 2 damage charging Flier is pretty #### weak in my books. Oh well, they screwed Iceman might aswell screw the Angel too. I mean they asked me who the only 2 X-Men I liked where I should have just lied and said Cyclops and Jean Grey. LOL. Oh well now I have to wait another week for something I can play with. Woot. My 2 cents.

P.S where is the CCE on this character? Didn't anyone ready X-Factor? He was as good in a fight as Beast. Oh well I guess not.

[Kaitouace]

Yeah. Cool sculpt and all (still prefer the old costume better) but the Experienced REALLY should have been Defenders with an Archangel Horseman of Apocalypse as a Unique with a different sculpt. Plus that way we don't have this whole Angel/Archangel debacle. And the Vet better have at least Support. After all they are looking at some of the newer comics since that's the reason Beast got Support.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Red Gambit
Sorry about that multipost...

Hey Shin, I'll make you an Archangel Hero-lix comic! I've gotten better at photoshop!
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.

[Red Gambit]

Namor, I'm one to think that the New X-Men costumes rock as much as the comics.

As for the whole healing blood argument, it may be a dumb Chuck Austen change for some (I personally dig it), but it really fits in well with heroclix! Once you take damage, you become useful, in a different way. And the way that attack values drop, he'd be way more in the "healing" attack range of av's once injured.

[The Charlatan]

Originally posted by Red Gambit
Disappointed in many ways:

Here's how it should have been done:

First off, why the New costume now? They should have matched him up with the old costumes of the others.

Rookie: Okay, I do admit, except for the above complaint, he's fine.

Experienced: A UNIQUE should have been the bladed Archangel! With a different sculpt! The Experienced should have had Defenders TA. Which one is going to? I agree, why no Avengers Beast LE?

Veteran: While that's the only version that makes sense with the sculpt, does he have support? This wasn't mentioned. Maybe the LE has support?

Well, aside from my complaints, it's still a fine sculpt and hopefully a playable figure despite the point cost.

What he said. Why waste time typing up your own post when you can quote someone who's opinion exactly matches yours?

[CaptainMarvel]

So would I be correct in saying that the EXP will NOT have metal wings and blue skin?

It says in the preview his EXP version will be the metal winged version.

How can we automaticlly throw out the posability or am I reading it wrong?

[tyroclix]

confirms the theory that all new fliers without range have to have charge to be playable

I would add Team Affiliation to this statement. And how many flying figs does that represent - no Range, no Charge, and no TA? I can only think of one - R Vulture. Are we really bemoaning the loss of Rookie Vulture?

We'll have to see how many clicks of like R Angel gets, but since he is more expensive that R Iceman (26) who gets Barrier, RCE and Incapacitate (I think), he has to cost 11 more points for a reason.

I'm sure some of that is his Movement value. And he probably has some E/S early on. But I also bet he has more life than Iceman.

With that X-man TA I see him as an awesome Taxi. Fly and X-man or WC over. Push away and heal back a click before attacking. A quick boost anytime you need it. That's what I always used R Iceman and Shadowcat for.

Can't wait to add Warren to my X-Team...

[Yeti]

Ok it didn't say one way or the other whether Archangel had support or not. It DID say that it was the most current version (comics wise), which lends one to believe that he will have it.
I personally think that having Charge all the way down the dial is amazing.
The idea of a separate sculpt for the E version is a little silly don't you think? They have done different plastics i.e. Invis Woman. Which might be possible. But realisticly the cost of producing a separate sculpt for one fig (other than a U which are rare for this reason) is not good business sense.
I find it interesting that everyone immediately jumps all over this piece (and any other extremely popular character). My opinion is that you will never be 100% happy with a click who is one of your favorite characters in the books so you (plural you) are just going to have to suck it up, or mod your own.

(this post is not directed at anyone in particular, just my opinion)

[tyroclix]

confirms the theory that all new fliers without range have to have charge to be playable

I would add Team Affiliation to this statement. And how many flying figs does that represent - no Range, no Charge, and no TA? I can only think of one - R Vulture. Are we really bemoaning the loss of Rookie Vulture?

We'll have to see how many clicks of like R Angel gets, but since he is more expensive that R Iceman (26) who gets Barrier, RCE and Incapacitate (I think), he has to cost 11 more points for a reason.

I'm sure some of that is his Movement value. And he probably has some E/S early on. But I also bet he has more life than Iceman.

With that X-man TA I see him as an awesome Taxi. Fly and X-man or WC over. Push away and heal back a click before attacking. A quick boost anytime you need it. That's what I always used R Iceman and Shadowcat for.

Can't wait to add Warren to my X-Team...

[Spidersense]

The inspiration for the pose is easy...

Hiesman Trophy!

I like that they make the E version the Archangel. Here's a hope they make a different sculpt.

[CaptainMarvel]

Originally posted by CaptainMarvel
posability

Wow what was I thinking there. My bad I meant possibility.

[Red Gambit]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.

Yeah, I'm 21 but I look like I'm thirty so I guess that counts.

:noid: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/angel.gif

That's hilarious about the Mutant Massacre spears mod! Mwah hah hah.

However, I think that Archangel's bladed exp revenge version might be bad for your Sentinel's. He's not a x-man/brother TA guy and has blades claws, which might be bad for the Sentinel's sweet click. Still, capture on brudda, capture on!

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/archangel.gif

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.
*insert stupid, lame, vague viagra reference here* Sorry shin couldn't resist. LOL

[Miraclo]

Hmm.

Well.

I must say... the hands are very nicely done. Yes, those are excellent hands.

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.
*insert stupid vague viagra reference here* Sorry shin couldn't resist. LOL

[CaptainMarvel]

I like the sculpt I guess...I mean i'm not dissapointed because I didn't know what to expect in terms of pose.

The costume is't bad but I don't read the new x-man books so I can't really say.

I do hope however the Exp: is Blue with metal wings but if not thats ok...I guess.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.


And don't forget to check the warning level on yr prostate ;)

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.


And don't forget to check the warning level on yr prostate ;)

[Darkskaven]

Nice sculpt and NICE character !!! A long-waited one that is.

I'm pleased that he was finally made.

But I was too hoping for a Unique version as Death, with REV versions more traditionnal (X-Man, Defender...). I know that making all the costumes of this character was impossible for Wizkids to do, so I'm not chocked about this (I prefer old costume rather than this one but that's not really important). But come on! The Death version should have been a different sculpt !

[Red Gambit]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Everyone's multi-posting. It happens to most men as they get older.

Yeah, I'm 21 but I look like I'm thirty so I guess that counts.

:noid: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/angel.gif

That's hilarious about the Mutant Massacre spears mod! Mwah hah hah.

However, I think that Archangel's bladed exp revenge version might be bad for your Sentinels. He's not a x-man/brother TA guy and has blades claws, which might be bad for the Sentinel's sweet click. Still, capture on brudda, capture on!

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/archangel.gif

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by DaLuvster89
Looks cool, but... I'd rather have seen someone that isn't on boneyards' "confirmed" list yet, ya know? Looks like a cool sculpt, though - I hope they do have different sculpts for each version, though - that would be super-bodacious! If the confirmed list is accurate, there is only one missing from it. Pretty poor odds of seeing something new. :disappoin

[rouge2]

He's the reverse Storm.

Wheras her Experienced version represented the weakest version of the character, they had to load up the E with Stealth and Perplex to keep her cost above the R (with traditional powers).

With Angel, we have his most powerful version in the middle and they had to neuter it slightly and amp up his Vetran to keep the REV point increase in-line.

I'm all for tracking the historical progression with the REVs but sometimes it really throws off the character when trying to make it game balanced.

[DTM]

For all those who believe his Archangel version will have BCF, he also shot his arrow darts out that contained a stunning poison, hence Incapacitate. I do hope he does have alittle BCF, but he could also be a Running Shot/INC, possibly even with 2 arrows, figure and that combo aint half bad either.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Red Gambit
Yeah, I'm 21 but I look like I'm thirty so I guess that counts.

:noid: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/images/smilies/angel.gif

That's hilarious about the Mutant Massacre spears mod! Mwah hah hah.

However, I think that Archangel's bladed exp revenge version might be bad for your Sentinels. He's not a x-man/brother TA guy and has blades claws, which might be bad for the Sentinel's sweet click. Still, capture on brudda, capture on!

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/images/smilies/archangel.gif

Well, he's gonna have to GET next to my Sentinel first. So long as he doesn't have Charge AND BCF I'll be fine :)

[cscottk]

"Woo Hoo!! I can fly... that's it! But thanks to NAAT and FCCF, I can't even do that well

Give it a rest Hair10. Must we hear about this every single friggin' day?

[ASpaceBoyDream]

Looks like I won't be getting an Angel off eBay for my Defenders team. What should do with the $0.79 + shipping that I'll save?

[chi_madnes]

I'm Soooooooo disappointed :disappoin

Costume :ermm: Shoulda been blue & white with halo

TA :ermm: Shoulda been defenders like Beast & Iceman

Pose :rolleyes: almost as bad as vemon's

U Archangel with the blue skin and metal wings :classic: will probably never happen :( :cry:

Wizkids how could you mess up a figure so many people discused in deatail and where anticipating anxiously

oh well at least they made an Angel :confused:

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by ASpaceBoyDream
Looks like I won't be getting an Angel off eBay for my Defenders team. What should do with the $0.79 + shipping that I'll save?
If I were you I'd invest that into super sizing my MCdonalds value meal. ;) :grin: :laugh:

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by ASpaceBoyDream
Looks like I won't be getting an Angel off eBay for my Defenders team. What should do with the $0.79 + shipping that I'll save?
If I were you I'd invest that into super sizing my MCdonalds value meal. ;) :grin: :laugh:

[zathras]

for those of us that have no skill in modding, this sucks. i for one was looking forward to the blue skinned metal winged archangel. this is not archangel, this is angel pure and simple. i have nothing against this fig, it looks great. it's just not archangel.

[Sweetcurse]

blah!

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by ASpaceBoyDream
Looks like I won't be getting an Angel off eBay for my Defenders team. What should do with the $0.79 + shipping that I'll save?
If I were you I'd invest that into super sizing my MCdonalds value meal. ;) :grin: :laugh:

[TheLion]

Hmmm... seems like they should have saved this one for the next expansion. The REV should have been X-men/Defenders/X-Men with tthe unique being the metal winged version.

All of the unique slots are probably taken up by the uber-powerful herald type figures. It's probably the reason Spider-Man ended up as an REV.

[NotOppressed]

Magick: Happy as hell to see. Sculpt OK
Terrax: Thrilled.
Angel: blah

With so many ways they could have done this character, this way seems least likely.

I'm OK with the no Defenders (though I would have liked it) One version should have been a wildcard. Defender, X-Men, Champion, Horseman. Lot of teams.

I do like the new costumes. But it doesn't look right with the other original X-Men sculpts. Which IMO most have been bad.

Cyclops looked constipated. And don't get me started on Iceman.

I have never been a HUGE X-Men fan but did read it faithly for long while. I just wish the figures would have looked nice together on a shelf. :(

[Drashia]

Azs - Overpower did have Angel

Someone mentioned X-men flyer... we have a few already M-Lives does have a "valid" objection...

Another team or something... please!

[Sweetcurse]

The Heroclix tradition of making popular charcaters lame and obscure ones great continues!

[Miraclo]

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
If the confirmed list is accurate, there is only one missing from it. Pretty poor odds of seeing something new. :disappoin

What list are you seeing? Looking at Boneyard's list of confirmed, and pulling out the uniques, there are 3-5 missing, depending on whether or not one thinks Elektra and/or Adam Warlock will be uniques or r/e/v figs.

[bladestalker]

still a flyer (vet) that has charge ALL the way down the dial could be very nice in play.

Hopefully there will be an Aurora & Northstar fig with flying and hypersonic speed.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Mr Deadpool
yeah he will look a little out of place.

But it's good to see that they made him, however they should've done the following IMHO

R: X-Men
E: Defender
V: None (Arch Angel)
U: X-Men

that would be so much better.

But we'll see . . . Thanks,

Cat

That's what I would have expected

[mysterio_lives]

so far the previews have been lamer x-men and a never-was......i am SO not excited for CM

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Punish This !!
Not Bad, Don't Like the Pose But Hey, Hes an X-men Member so it's Ok by me. I have to Agree with everyone on this Subject .... No Defenders TA ??? What The Hell, Should have done something for that at the Least. I Think the Best way to show him would be as follows:

R - Original Costume (X-men)
E - Don't Remember the Costume (Defenders)
V - New X Men Costume (X-Men)
U - Blue Skin, Razor Wings / BCF with this one (None)

Support for all the Versions but a Unique .... Just My Humble Opinion on the whole thing.

Actually considering how many incarnations exist of this character...he's a possible candidate to have TWO REV figs with one covering his Angel and the other Archangel...

That way you get the ####py early X-men (along with unique Cyke)...Defender, and current model Angel...maybe with BCF and support along with charge...

And evil Archangel, X-men and solo Archangels....

[britman71]

One of the coolest looking Marvel figs yet! Can't wait to use him in my X-Team.

[Diablo4485]

What? No Support for the Veteran version? I figured they would've tried to reflect the healing capacity from his secondary mutation, what with the V White Queen in the last set being an X-Man and having the diamond skin.

I'm glad they're finally making an Angel/Archangel, but I'm somewhat displeased with the actual execution of the figure. Here's what I would've gone for:

R Angel - This would be him not long after joining the X-Men. Not exactly green, but nowhere near his full potential.

E Archangel - This figure would fall into the timeframe when he regained his feathered wings. Definitely more experienced than before but still a tad lacking.

V Archangel - This would be the current Archangel, with his secondary mutation in effect. These would be his fullest "natural" values, and I'd imagine him being a late-game healer, just like Beast.

U Archangel - This would be him when he fell under Apocalypse's power. this version's just way too different from the others juse because of how the nature of his powers changed. I'd imagine him as something of a pumped-up version of Deathbird.

[CaptainMarvel]

Wow why would Topps want to keep making HC?

Off base here but I have herd a lot about how many of you think Topps will drop HC if Sportsclix is sucessful.

I would drop it too look at all the negetive feed back.

If sports clix was sucsessful I'd drop HC too why deal with the #####ing?

[Yeti]

Originally posted by Sweetcurse
The Heroclix tradition of making popular charcaters lame and obscure ones great continues!

The reason most popular characters are "lame" is because everyone has their opinion on they "should" be made.

Obscure characters are great because no one really knows who they are or they don't have enough history.

In the case of the original X-men they have at most 4 chances to cover over 30 years of history, not counting alternate realities and drug inspired massive alterations. This means they have to give the "essence" of a character in 3-4 (or sometimes 1) clicks, not an easy thing to do.

Or they could go the way of Elektra, but that would mean we would never see anyone new and just have version after version of the same character, which gets boring. All IMHO.

[Miraclo]

While this A(rcha)ngel version doesn't do much for me, I'm still strongly looking forward to this set. Warren was overdue for inclusion, Magik is an interesting addition, and seeing Terrax (only a "never was" to those who haven't read the comics he appeared in) included in the set was a treat. The list of confirmed figures is a fun one. So far little has happened to change my prediction that this will be my favorite set to date.

[Batman1983]

However neither angel character card had Specials... They never made Angel. They had Angel: Horseman of Apocalypse & Archangel (I believe showing the Defenders costume). Anyway I'm just whatever till i see the dial.

[Batman1983]

However neither angel character card had Specials... They never made Angel. They had Angel: Horseman of Apocalypse & Archangel (I believe showing the Defenders costume). Anyway I'm just whatever till i see the dial.

[WytchKnight]

Does Wizkids even do research into these characters?
As Death, Angel was an asskicker. Took down Wolverine without even having to move.
No question that this version should have been a unique.
I bet the person designing the game has never even read a defenders comic to know that Angel was on the team.

Wizkids, Learn your #### product before you so cheerfully present it to us like a 3rd grader wanting praise for a fingerpainting.

[CaptainMarvel]

Uhh I'm sure Jon L has read the comic...:ermm:

[Thunderbolts]

Wasn't JonL fired from Heroclix...

[Ignatz_Mouse]

No, he moved on... but he has a lot of continuing input.

[evilspider]

I miss the four horseman angel he ruled.

[AZS]

Originally posted by Drashia
Azs - Overpower did have Angel
Nope, they only ever had an Angel: Archangel character/clone card.
"Angel" was never officially released with any special cards.

Also, JonL still works for WK, he's just on a different game now. But he was the main guy for laying out this set. Whoever the new guy is didn't take over until after Critical Mass was primarily done (by JonL).
I've spoken to Jon in person, at length. Belive me, he knows his comics inside and out. Knows his games inide and out. And understands how the two interact.

[JetJaguar]

He does resemble a flying Heisman, but it looks like WK is adding the detail and attention the figures deserve.

[albinus]

Great, yet another Ultimate plastic turd. All I wanted was anything except the new Archangel. Yeah the sculpt looks great for what it is, but the choice of which version to make sucks. I hope all three don't look like the sneak peak. If the sculpts reflect the powers and the diffrent versions of Archangel in the comics, then I am totally wrong and this was a good idea. But I doubt that is the case.

[Mr. Pilkington]

Okay, I'm going to refrain from really posting because I am trying not to have complaints about every sneak peek. Wait, I didn't have any problems with Terrax, did I? Well then:

I hate the sculpt. I had very high hopes for the Angel figure, having been dazzled my Hawkman's wings and then impressed with Sauron's dynamic pose and the positioning on Angleus's nice wings. But this is horrid. The wings don't even look like living wings. They look like poor cardboard cut-outs with feathers glued on. I was holding out making an Angel custom fig to see what they were going to give us. Now I think I'll need to make multiple custom figures for the different levels. Anyone got any extra Hawkman figures?

[batfink]

How about...FlashDance Angel!

Maybe the LE will be Defenders. Isn't Hank McCoy a Defender?

[Manchine]

Dude's Angel Rocks!

So far this is probable the best character yet seen in previews, ever!

Must wait for CM noooooo want it now.

[Thunderbolts]

No. E Beast is.

[Kaitouace]

Originally posted by azs
Nope, they only ever had an Angel: Archangel character/clone card.
"Angel" was never officially released with any special cards.


There were two Angel hero cards. Angel: Horseman of Apocalypse and Angel: The Fallen from the Mutant X comics. However Angel: The Fallen came out in the X-Men Overpower set and there was one special that came with him, Neuro-Toxin. Although that represented the other Angel. Either way it wasn't an official Hero + specials release.

[Battletank900]

Originally posted by zathras
for those of us that have no skill in modding, this sucks. i for one was looking forward to the blue skinned metal winged archangel. this is not archangel, this is angel pure and simple. i have nothing against this fig, it looks great. it's just not archangel.

Zathras hit the nail on the head!

[Annihillus]

Maybe I'm the only one here who actually is impressed by this. I like the sculpt and although I think they could have handled his different versions better, I think that this figure will be quite good.

Then again, my glass is half-full.

-Mike

[Darkskaven]

I'm not a real "comics fan" and I've not read a lot of comics (I didn't have the money to afford it when I was younger) but I have managed to read some and thus know the main characters.

So when I say that this character was a mistake in its making, that shows how the error is huge in my opinion. I don't say this simply because the powers or stats doesn't fit with my perception of this character (I don't know enought about him to argue about his stats/powers), but I'm quite unpleased to see that really differents versions of a character aren't taken into account except on his combat dial. It takes nothing to make an Unique version of an already existing REV character when it makes sense ! That's not as if the players would reject the Unique version in favor for the REV one ! In this case I'm sure that most of the players would have try to get the REV and the Unique versions !

When I think back at IC where there was a REV Elektra and an Unique Elektra in the same set ...... :angry:

[Quarantine]

Hey everyone! it's been a while, but I just had to come back and comment on this fig.
I've been waiting for an Angel, and don't get me wrong, I like the sculpt and stuff, but they really screwed him over in several important aspects. Let me review:

1) Rookie version is fine as long as they remember his name was Angel instead of Archangel.
2) Experienced version should reflect his time on the Champions, Defenders, and the start of the original X-Factor. Like Iceman and Beast, they should've given him the Defenders Team Ability. Those three characters were core to the "New Defenders" team. Keeps the Angel name in this form too.
3) The blue-skinned Angel (represented in this fig's exp. version) should have had it's own unique sculpt and fig. Although he started out as a Horseman, he spent more time as a member of X-Factor and the X-Men, earning him the X-Men TA in this form. BCF, ESD, and RS would have been cool and justified.
4) The vet version could have been the same as my imagined Experienced version, just with Support and Regeneration to reflect his new abilities as a flying healer.

I do also wonder about giving him ESD with his feathered wings. Isn't maneuverability (combined with Angel's heightened reflexes) more reflected with the Super Senses power? A good defense (16 or 17) with SS would have been good for him like it is with Nightcrawler or should have been with Quicksilver.
Not saying that this is a bad fig. I will play him in my X-Team armies. But like with Storm, Juggernaut, and Magneto, I find myself noticing that mutants and x-related people in general tend to not be as researched by Wizkids... either way, though, I'll win games with Warren Kenneth Worthington III anyway! :grin:

[NotOppressed]

Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington
They look like poor cardboard cut-outs with feathers glued on. I was holding out making an Angel custom fig to see what they were going to give us. Now I think I'll need to make multiple custom figures for the different levels. Anyone got any extra Hawkman figures?

Agreed.

Though I was happy with the wings only for one reason.

They will be perfect for a Red Raven custom.

And nothing else.

[Darth Sabre]

As a game piece he sounds GREAT!

The sculpt is disappointing. I was hoping for the red/white suit with the halo on the chest and for the blue-skinned Death version....I'm not liking the new look X-men stuff.

Glad to see what they so desperately needed, under the old rules! ;)

[CaptainMarvel]

Originally posted by Thunderbolts
Wasn't JonL fired from Heroclix...

No he did move on but this is his last set.

Jeff grubb is making the next one I belive.

[bizzaro]

Originally posted by Thanosied
where is the CCE on this character? Didn't anyone ready X-Factor? He was as good in a fight as Beast. Oh well I guess not.

Gimme a break. CCE on angel? doesn't make sense to me. When I think CCE, I don't think archangel. B/C/F for the Exp would make sense though.

When I think CCE I think Batman, Captain America (there will be a version with it eventually), etc.

[Captain_Comet]

Original X-Men/X-Factor
Vet. Jean Grey 50 points
Rook. Cyclops 55 points
Vet. Ice Man 47 point
Vet. best 80 points
Vet. Angel 68 points
300 point Total

This will be very sweet indeed. This sculpt is ok, hopefully
there will be a unique with the classic costume though possibly
with the Defenders TA to Join Beast and Ice Man. Then again
I'm still waiting on an Avengers Beast too :-)
I'm totally pleased though.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

CCE is for Hawkman, not Angel.

[Mjolnir]

Well, actually I can only comment on what I see and I like the sculpt. It's a nice dynamic pose... there have been worse sculpt jobs I believe.
I would have preferred the red/white costume as well but this is ok.
The lack of Defenders ability is... disturbing. Here's a bone for you fanboys: Maybe wizkids is waiting for a special Defenders, etc expansion to put in more Defenders and Namor?? hmm? (I'll bet we get a JSA set like that was well with Shazam and others)

His dial?? I won't comment until I see what they look like.

ps. a 23 point taxi who can heal your x-team and wildcard figs is not worthless.... especially if he has a high movement.

I'm curious to wee what else they do with the figs.
(Put me in the same boat with those who thought the blue-skinned tinfoil-winged version should have been a unique... but I won't whine as much... and I like my mozzarella.)

[AlaskanXIII]

And a big ol' thumbs DOWN for this development. Thanks, Wizkids, for not only ignoring your entire fanbase but the actual comics as well. Archangel for 53 points, riiiight. Sculpt and name that's totally unrepresentative of the figure's history, sweet. At least ya spelled it right, though.

[GeorgeDaGreat]

:tired: **sigh** What a very disappointing Sneak Peek. Last weeks (Terrax) was waaaaaaay better than this one or the one two weeks before (Magick).

Oh well. Lets just hope next weeks is better.....:ermm:

[CquinnO27]

He looks like he is trying to take a look see at his own ###. And why the freaking hell did they not give him defenders team ability for his experienced version? He led the #### team for ####s sake! ^%$#### wizkids. For once in you life take your ####ing head out of your ###!

Very disappointing!

[Thanosied]

X-Factor Angel should be charge and CCE. He is or was the 2nd best H2H fighter on the team. Okay I get what your saying you need Martial Arts training and all but look at bats he is only black belt in KungFu. I have that. But look no CCE for Cap. LOL. But yeah I will agree it should just be Charge 12 move and 3 damage base with a 10 attack. Just please lord give me red and white with the halo and WHITE WINGS.

[Namor]

Originally posted by Mjolnir

The lack of Defenders ability is... disturbing. Here's a bone for you fanboys: Maybe wizkids is waiting for a special Defenders, etc expansion to put in more Defenders and Namor??


I hoping that Namor will be in this set, he shouldve been in Clobberin Time. Hopefully when Jeff Grubb takes over he will give us our unique Archangel, along with some other clixs that need to be redone (Captain America, Juggernaut, Magneto, Thanos, etc.).

[miridor]

I'm not too happy with the way he look, wings, costume, pose, But it is Angel!! The original X-Men together again!

[NathanielEssex]

Maybe the LE version will have the Defenders team ability

[Meepo]

Originally posted by CquinnO27
He looks like he is trying to take a look see at his own ###. And why the freaking hell did they not give him defenders team ability for his experienced version? He led the #### team for ####s sake! ^%$#### wizkids. For once in you life take your ####ing head out of your ###!

Very disappointing!

That reminds me - haven't played Tic-Tac-Toe in awhile.

[Thanosied]

Namor should have been in the first set. Amen Namor my brother. Make the REAL THANOS R/E/V. Namor FF, Avengers, Defenders. Or R no team. That being said the figure would look kinda cool if the real Angel and Archangel where already out there. But there not. Got to go old school Wizkids like you did with Terrax. New school is no good :(. Ne Thanos is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo needed.

[Mr. Pilkington]

That reminds me - haven't played Tic-Tac-Toe in awhile.

Nice! I was trying to come up with something on that post as well. The best I could figure was that he was going all-or-nothing with his forum posting... you know, "in for a penny, in for a pound"?

[DTM]

Originally posted by Thanosied
X-Factor Angel should be charge and CCE. He is or was the 2nd best H2H fighter on the team. Okay I get what your saying you need Martial Arts training and all but look at bats he is only black belt in KungFu. I have that. But look no CCE for Cap. LOL. But yeah I will agree it should just be Charge 12 move and 3 damage base with a 10 attack. Just please lord give me red and white with the halo and WHITE WINGS.

Batman is only a black belt in Kung Fu? .........youre kidding, right?

[chi_madnes]

The LAST hope is that there will be a U Archangel (blue skin & metal wings) with the X-Men TA for around 80 points or so

(trying to think positive) :cross-eye

[rcoperich]

Originally posted by chi_madnes
The LAST hope is that there will be a U Archangel (blue skin & metal wings) with the X-Men TA for around 80 points or so

(trying to think positive) :cross-eye

I agree, I was hoping for a more powerful version of "Death" but I'll just be happy for the E version to have blue skin and noticeably different metal wings (not the same ones as the R/V painted metallic silver) Here's hoping WizKids and Topps don't get cheap on this one...

[chi_madnes]

they will. :ermm:

[kellykc]

Just to counteract the negativity,

I think that the sculpt looks great; archangel looking at who's behind him?...

I look forward to getting one, especially the E

Kelly

[jedigeof]

"The HeroClix Archangel spans Warren Worthington III’s career,"

My flogging rump roast total cow carp ! My E Beast & E Iceman want to know what they did to offend . First he stopped returning phone calls now this.

:mad: :angry: :devious:

[hair10]

Originally posted by cscottk
Give it a rest Hair10. Must we hear about this every single friggin' day?
Only if you read a thread I post to.

It's no different than all the threads I read every day singing the praises of NAAT from on high.

[chi_madnes]

Due to the large surge of negative responses to the fig, it would be nice if someone at wizkids (caugh* JonL * caugh) would grace us with an explanation of why there is no Defenders TA and how come Archangel was dubbed unworthy of a U representation

So if your out there listening..... were not happy :cool:

[Eric Rage]

I really do give WizKids credit for trying to do something different w/this sculpt. I do. It's a nice sculpt and it doesn't look like any other flier out so far, which is a noble goal to shoot for.

But, it just isn't right.

I'm really disappointed in this one b/c Angel has been discussed ad nauseum on the boards. We've weighed in time and time again on how badly we wanted more Defenders. We said we wanted at least different paint jobs to represent the many faces of Warren. Then they announced he would be a Marquee prize, and the talk grew even louder. Basically, we told them exactly what we wanted and they told us that we'll just have to take what they give us.

I, too, would at least like an explanation for the decision process behind this one and especially why his E version isn't a Defender (or at least a Wildcard).

Can't wait to see how many people they piss off when they finally release a Namor.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Namor
Man.................. I was hoping his exp. version would have the Defenders team ability. I was also hoping for a unique version with the metal wings, that wouldve been cool. The new X-Men costumes suck almost as bad as the comics themselves.

Really? I actually like most of the new costumes...bright spandex may be more "traditional" but it doesn't go into my file of good ideas for uber ninja stealth types to have bright yellow cosutmes (Wolvie)...or really any of the team, since they mostly operate in the clandestine type of mission.

I actually think they should do away with the leather weirdness the movie inspired, but Wolvie's current outfit...with shades of the old, but with a more modern sensibility is fine...and for some, like Angel it makes sense...

I like the idea of outfits that may pass as just school uniforms...since that is still what Xavier's is all about despite being outted.

[Panther Cult]

I'm with you there JediGeof -

There is really nothing new to add at this point, but my main disappointment is that the E Angel should have been a Defenders, if only to match what they did for the Beast and Iceman. They were all on the team at the same time and Angel was the team leader, his E version should have got the same treatment.

Archangel should have been saved for a unique.

That being said, I'll hope to get lots of them to play with and mod to my hearts content.

[chi_madnes]

After your through Modding, could you sell me an Extra Archangel mod to put on the E base :rolleyes:

No really.... I'm being serious

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by mysterio_lives
so far the previews have been lamer x-men and a never-was......i am SO not excited for CM

That's really weird considering your Avatar...or is it to represent your hatred of the X-men? I mean Angel is certainly going to be a fan favorite and Magik has a certain cult favorite status as well...along with a true Herald...with the point total that they should warrant.

[frankthedm]

Yay! He is a non! I am gonna rip his wings off! They will be nice on lots of minis.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by Quarantine
I do also wonder about giving him ESD with his feathered wings. Isn't maneuverability (combined with Angel's heightened reflexes) more reflected with the Super Senses power? A good defense (16 or 17) with SS would have been good for him like it is with Nightcrawler or should have been with Quicksilver.

While I can certainly see E & V Quicksilver having had Super-senses, if you think about the specific maneuverability we're talking about ESD does make sense for Warren.

Supersenses would not only allow him to dodge ranged attacks but also dodge when he's in hand to hand, which he doesn't do. "He's moving so fast I can't get a bead on him!" is ESD, not Supersenses.

And for everyone saying that the exp will be far too weak, look at some of the good figures that are in that price range: exp Logan, exp Sabretooth, vet Psylocke, vet Green Arrow. You can make a pretty potent figure for 53 points, especially when you don't have a team ability.

[tyroclix]

vet Green Arrow. You can make a pretty potent figure for 53 points, especially when you don't have a team ability.

Excellent point.

[Nexodus]

They Messed up on his Final Version. Archangel should have Support and Regeneration. I say this cause he has a Healing Facter and he can use his blood to heal others via Blood Transfusion. pretty much he can give people a very temporary Healing Factor

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by Quarantine
3) The blue-skinned Angel (represented in this fig's exp. version) should have had it's own unique sculpt and fig.That would have been too expensive, I'm guessing. But it seems like they could have painted the same figure in different colors and it would have been a pretty good match to him in the blue-skinned days.

[raging_madboy]

On a defenders note, maybe the marquee prize will be a defender.

Unless someone already suggested it. I Dont have the time to read 10 pages before dinner.

[Nickel97]

Originally posted by Nexodus
They Messed up on his Final Version. Archangel should have Support and Regeneration. I say this cause he has a Healing Facter and he can use his blood to heal others via Blood Transfusion. pretty much he can give people a very temporary Healing Factor

Who says those powers aren't in the LE marquee version? Or as has been mentioned before, maybe the Defenders TA is on there instead.

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by Thanosied
X-Factor Angel should be charge and CCE. He is or was the 2nd best H2H fighter on the team.What are you talking about? He has a 0 range. There is no reason to give a 0 range fig CCE. Just give him the appropriate damage. CCE is for figs that have a weak ranged attack but rock in CC, like Batman or Captain America (well he should have CCE).

[andrew_G]

I'm in total agreement with the need for a Unique Archangel, which most of us I think would want. It's been done before (wolvie, wasp, electra, prof X, juggernaut, Cap, Superman, Batman, flash, etc) so there is no reason to say it couldn't. It would mean that we could have a different sculpt that reflects the 'real' Archangel - blue skin and metal wings.

And think about this we are actually asking them to make a character a unique - rarer. A character we want and will search out to get! This should be dynamite for Wizkids - "What, they're actually asking for a desired figure to be hard to get? How many extra cases do you think we will sell?" Chaching (dollar signs roll up in their eyes).

One further thing; having read the comics with the start of the Archangel character, ie. X-Factor, one power Archangel should have is ...
Willpower.
Not only would it make the clix supremely useful and sought after it would make sense as well. It would also give us one more willpower flyer, so that we could have a bad one (Green Goblin) and a good one (Archangel) for those of us who care about good and evil teams. (To head off some responses - I know as 'Death' the horseman of Apocalypse he started off evil but he spent a lot of time as blue skinned Archangel with X-Factorand the X-Men. So I suppose he could be on good and bad teams.)

[CyberVenom]

Just got on the boards, so I can't say that I've read all the posts yet. But here's my thoughts and feelings on this one:

I'm disappointed in this one (so far. We'll have to wait until the set fully arrives for the final judgment.)

Pro:
X-Men TA, sculpt pose, X-Men get a flyer.

Con:
No Defenders TA?
Cruddy New X-Men outfit.
No blue skin.
Archangel?!? Should have saved the actual Archangel for a Unique and given the E the Defenders.

So the Con beats the Pro 4 to 3. Nice attempt though.

[bizzaro]

Originally posted by Darkskaven
I'm not a real "comics fan" and I've not read a lot of comics (I didn't have the money to afford it when I was younger) but I have managed to read some and thus know the main characters.

So when I say that this character was a mistake in its making, that shows how the error is huge in my opinion. I don't say this simply because the powers or stats doesn't fit with my perception of this character (I don't know enought about him to argue about his stats/powers), but I'm quite unpleased to see that really differents versions of a character aren't taken into account except on his combat dial. It takes nothing to make an Unique version of an already existing REV character when it makes sense ! That's not as if the players would reject the Unique version in favor for the REV one ! In this case I'm sure that most of the players would have try to get the REV and the Unique versions !

When I think back at IC where there was a REV Elektra and an Unique Elektra in the same set ...... :angry:

You're right ..this is an outrage! :p

C'mon folks ... there have been other characters that had different power levels throughout the years but were given the same sculpt.

Storm ... should've had a mohawk sculpt when she didn't have her powers.

Each of Iron Man's sculpts should have been different to represent his different armors, right?

A different sculpt would have been great ..but its not necessary.

[Mongoose]

I just wanna give Wizkids props. I'm happy to see that there is a metal winged version of Archangel. You guys did the right thing, and I am proud of you. A new Magneto and Juggernaut would really make me happy too :)

[GonzoDracus]

He looks good to me...


stop being such crybabies.... you ask for archangel, they give it to you... but now he isn't good for you? Bah! stop the nonsense... and even worse, you haven't seen the stats and some are crying foul... what's up with that????

[Nexodus]

I'm not being a crybaby :P I'm just sayin it would be alot better if he had those skills. but I can live with this. I want Archangel more then Venom. YES. More then Venom!! :P although it dosent matter cause I am getting a case :P since they arent Uniques, I'll end up with at least 1 of each

[the itsy bit]

:rolleyes: :confused: :knockedou :noid: :angry: :cry: :surprised

what they said...


WK take note: we the fans don't want the new customes !!!!

we want the old ones which we grew up with: be they hockey or glow-in-the-dark !

Iceman,beast are Defenders as Exp. so why NOT Angel who deserves it more ?!

Archangel, Horseman of the Apocalypse deserved his own sculpt/unique.

Vet.Angel will have to be much better then the Rookie for 29 points or I will prefer Angel the Rookie (can only tell that when we see the stats).

X-men team building: 29 points buys me another fig.


At least you didn't give Angel support.

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by GonzoDracus
stop being such crybabies.... you ask for archangel, they give it to you... but now he isn't good for you?

true but this sculpt is clearly not Archangel.... you may notice the complete lack of metal wings and blue skin. Yes sir this is Angel in his least liked costume ever. I think what makes it such a dissapointment is that the people on the realms spoke about, and for the most part agreed upon, what the best way to (how we would preffer to ) represent Angel in clix form would be. Wizkids seems to have totaly ignored us.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by skeevo666
And don't forget to check the warning level on yr prostate ;)

Man, I WISH I could still multi-post (if you know what I mean) at my age...

[Taibak]

I'm also surprised that the E doesn't have the Defenders team ability, but like others have said, I'll wait to see the stats on the LE before I complain about that (incidentally, anyone notice they referred to the LE as 'Angel' in the press release? I may be looking too deeply into this, but it could [point in that direction).

My big complaint, however, is the sculpt. I realize that different sculpts for each level of an R/E/V figure aren't going to happen. Making the molds is *far* too cost-prohibitive for that to ever happen. However, I would have liked to have seen a better sculpt. It's very well-detailed, but the pose is silly. As is, Archangel looks like he's plummetting out of the sky. His wings are folded, his torso is contorted, one arm and one leg are raised. They could have *at least* spread his wings to create the illusion of flight. It's kind of a shame considering that there have been some striking images of Archangel over the years.

[INeedMoney]

dats not archangel genius dats angel hes arch angel when he gets da metal wings and turns purple

[jhfrail]

So it seems as though it's called Archangel at every level, although the only one that would apply to is the E. He's the only X-figure wearing the new duds, despite the fact that that he has 4 ther costume variations that would be better. No mention of support on the vet, even though according to the current X-books, he should have it. White Queen, though in her old costume, has the new powers... The only thing consistant about Wizkids is that they screw things up.

[mercer]

Looks like a cool dial, the sculpt is great, but the "Ultimate Marvel" threads have got to go. Also, I too am disappointed that no version of Angel has a Defenders team ability. Maybe they'll make Nighthawk soon.....Anyways, I look forward to getting loads of these in my CM case, customizing them over Christmas, and selling them on a certain online auction site.

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by jhfrail
The only thing consistant about Wizkids is that they screw things up.

So sad, So true

(can you tell I'm bitter about this :cross-eye )

[DTM]

I cant say I know much about the secondary mutations going on with the XMen these days, but from reading these posts here I can assume Angel can heal others with a blood transfusion, is that so? If so, I dont think Support is in order for him, since I dont see him ripping up the IVs in the middle of a battle to exchange his blood with others. If this is so, shouldnt he be a better candidate for Regeneration, for the bllod running thru himself, over Support, or does his blood not work on his own body?

[chim chim]

i simply love the fact that ach angel is finaly a piece he is one clix i will buy if i have to inorder to get him, i was hoping just like every one else, for a non panzy looking sculpt, i want metal wings!!! but any way b/c/f should be represented on him at some point, along with regeneration, support, rce with a base damage of 2, cahrge, esd, and maybe even some poison, maybe..... over all i can't wait to get him, even if it is just to say i have my favorite character. i love this set already.

tim:squareeye

[Batman1983]

ok I'll admit I don't read Uncanny, but when did Angel get his skin color back? I picked up the first couple issues of the relaunch & he had blue skin... Any answers.

[Hack-n-slash]

So it seems as though it's called Archangel at every level, although the only one that would apply to is the E

Warren reclaimed the name Archangel after his skin returned to its natural color. The name and costume both fit the current run.

[ArnoldFriend]

Doesn't the blood transfusion aspect of his healing ability make for exactly how the X-men TA would be? He heals someoen but becasue he lost some blood, maybe he becomes weaker.

But the Blood Transfusion thing is jsut something I read somewhere else in this thread, I am not that current with the X-men.

[Heroclixrules]

To: Complainers
Re: Archangel's costume

Mod him, and quit yer #####in!


In all seriousness, if you want a true archangel sculpt, make one yourself. It only takes time and effort. You know, like Wizkids puts into their products.

Bunch of 5 year olds, I swear...

[Taltos]

Dear Wizkids:

Thank you for making Archangel, this is one of my favorite x-men to date from the pose to his stats. All we need now is a Forge and Bishop and this fan will be very happy.

Just spoke to my supplier and ordered a case today, well good like in the next set.

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by Heroclixrules
To: Complainers
In all seriousness, if you want a true archangel sculpt, make one yourself. It only takes time and effort.
Bunch of 5 year olds, I swear...

you forgot talent and ability.

sorry some of us may not be as artistic as yourself. also if I wanted to do it myself I woulnd't BUY herocllix, I would just make them. I will whine for as long as it takes the big wigs to make a U Archangerl (or until no-one else is whining with me)

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by INeedMoney
dats not archangel genius dats angel hes arch angel when he gets da metal wings and turns purple
Grammer. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

[Mr. Pilkington]

Grammer. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

Um, Shin? I'm pretty sure it is illegal to "love" grammar where you live. One of those "unnatural acts" laws. ;)

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Grammer. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

since when did you become an english proffesor ? :ermm:

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington
Um, Shin? I'm pretty sure it is illegal to "love" grammar where you live. One of those "unnatural acts" laws. ;)

Hey. I can marry whoever I want. Ain't that right, sis?

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Grammer. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

Spelling, learn it, love it, live it.

It's Grammar

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by chi_madnes
since when did you become an english proffesor ? :ermm:

I have an English Cognate, monkey!:ermm:

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by chi_madnes
Spelling, learn it, love it, live it.

It's Grammar

Hey, I took Journalism as a major. I don't NEED to spell! I just need to mess the facts up.

[chi_madnes]

let me get this straight, your related to a Brittish Monkey- :devious:

[shin-goji]

No, British Monkeys work FOR me.

[chi_madnes]

Did you mean an English cognizance ?

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by shin-goji
No, British Monkeys work FOR me.

hey, whatever it takes for you to get your jollies :laugh:

[shin-goji]

That's how I became a HC Judge.

[chi_madnes]

that should make for a very interesting story.

or maybe a comic strip :eek:

[Bizarro #98]

Everyone is wondering why there was no unique, blue skinned Archangel. Did any of you ever stop to think that there are only twelve uniques for each expansion, and maybe they don't want to fill every spot with alternate versions of the ridiculously overrated X-men? Those freaks are really starting to get under my skin! Where's Shin Goji and his vast legions of mutant killing Sentinels when you need them?

Seriously. X-men fans can be so selfish sometimes.

[chi_madnes]

One lousy U in this set thats all I'm asking for

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by jhfrail
The only thing consistant about Wizkids is that they screw things up. Sounds like you shouldn't play their games anymore.

[DreadDormammu]

Also, all these complaints seem silly when Lex Luthor and Superman are not arch-enemies. I mean, I knew Superman and Luthor were arch-enemies when I was 5 years old! This is one of the most basic facts in the history of comicdom.

Heroclix are not 100% accurate so far and I see no reason to expect them to magically become so in the future.

[Dr.StrangeFate]

It is like they rush somewhat in developing each heroclix set. That the communication between wizkids and the comic companies is weak. They don't take the proper time get the whole history of the character down and their more worried about the most up to date history of the character and what will stand out to the everyday crowd that is seeing the newest look. That which will catch the eye of most general public.

The major blunders in Infinity Challenge I can remember is Spider-Man not having super senses, Hobgoblin not hving running shot on all versions.

In Hyper Time the major blunder was unique Flash not having the JSA team symbol. The only other JSA memeber in the set was Hawkman so he could only have the team ablity with himself. The other one that stood out was the REV Catwoman is the new sculpt which probably was to be the unique version but was switched at the last minute. That is why the purple suit original Catwoman who was more a villian has the Batman team ability and the new costume Catwoman who is more vigilante has Batman enemy symbol. The Dark Knight Batman does not have the Batman team symbol but in the second set Catgirl has it. Also characters being sculpted with ranged weapons but not having any range attacks.

In Clobberin Time I can't remember any major blunders other than the fiasco of changing NightCrawler from REV to Unique. Thou I can compliment wizkids on fixing Thor becase you can tell by his scupt that he was to be grounded charcter glued to his base. They changed him to a flyer at the last minute. Which Thor should be a flyer. He is one of the major flying characters in the Avengers. About the only other thing was even thou Super Skrull is a great piece he only has three of the four Fantastic Four powers truly represented on his dial. Should had some defend and stealth to represent Invisable Girl's powers.

In Xplosion the major blunders was no Sinister Synicate Scoprion to represent him being on the Sinister Six and no Avengers Beast to represnt his Avengers reserve status. Then they make five versions of ShadowCat which I found odd. REV, Unique, and LE. And Finally the Ultimate Green Goblins Flies. How, his has no glider. It should had been given leap/climb instead.

In Cosmic Justice there several problems. Black Canary should have her sonic range attack back as either Vet or Le version. The BatGirl unique is joke compared to the Lady Shiva versions. In the comic BatGirl bested Lady Shiva but the heroclix version there is no chance. BatGirl should had at least super senses to represent her ability to read opponents body language. I mean give me a break they gave Catwoman super senses in the first set. The other odd thing was with the unique figures. The Martian Manhunter, Bizarro, Brother Blood seem a little pricey in their point value and yet Vampire Batman, Eclipso, and Despero are somewhat cheap in their point value.
Anther thing to point out is the Green Lantern they put in the set. If they were going with comic book status. The current JLA at the time of delevoping the set was Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Flash (Wally West), Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner), and Plastic Man. But because of the JLA cartoon on Cartoon Network that reaches a larger group than comic book they went with John Stewart which would be more recognized by the larger general public. Of course why Hawkgirl was not in it the surprised me. Probably saving her for the third set.

And then now this with Angel. Even I who has not read much X-Men comics and has gotten most of my X-Men history from some trades and the first X-Men cartoon was expecting a Archangel unique with blue skin and metal wings and then a REV version of Angel. But who knows. Why they could not make five versions of Angel/Archangel but did of ShadowCat is beyond me.

[Toku666]

Good Lord.

It all sounds as if HeroClix were intended as a photo-realistic, atomically and anatomically accurate representation of...

Oh yeah, THEY'RE FRIGGIN' COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS!!!

If you can HONESTLY get bent out of shape because HeroClix sets don't conform to the whacko rules in your head and how those rules shape the "reality" of a comic book universe, then one of two cases apply:

1) You need to get out more often, and do more.

2) Your life could be so much worse that you just need to take a step back and be a little more objective.

By the way, this all comes from somebody who games excessively, and has been consuming comic book culture ever since the age of four and a beloved set of Batman Underoos.

So there's no high ground, no rebuttal, just a fact:

It's ONLY A GAME, and they're ONLY COMIC BOOKS.

Don't take it any further than that, because that way lies madness...

[Dr. Morbius]

boy...why did the have to make this guy in his extremely dumb leather costume?!?!?
The "movie-costumes" that were taken right into the comicbooks just s.u.c.k!
To choose this lousy suit over all his others...and just give him the Archangel skills for E is rediculous...but it was just the same with "powerless" E Storm.

The sculpt? Well the turning pose is quite ool...but can't they ever make winged flyers with spread wings???
Why do they always fold up their wings in flighT?
Easy...to make them fit in the boxes.
Still..very annoying.

Dr. M :devious:

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
The "movie-costumes" that were taken right into the comicbooks just s.u.c.k!I agree the movie outfits are weak. But the comic version of the new X-Men uniforms are great. They are totally appropriate to the "not quite superhero" feel of the X-Men and they actually look more like the original outfits from X-Men #1!!

[skyounkin]

:eek: GAHHHHHHH!! Another X-man?!!!, WTF!!! Man they are sooooo lucky this guy looks some what cool, and interesting. Can't really excuse the lack of defenders TA though........I am looking forward to this set.....a little.
Now, dammit, bring me an Avenger.....ANY Avenger!!!:confused: ;)

[CarlosMucha]

this is ugly! I want Angel or Archangel Unique (1 of 4 horsement of Apokalipsis meatalic wingd and blue face) no this stupid version, why no defender? why Archangel R/E/V and no Angel???.
All bad aalll bad

[CarlosMucha]

If this set dont have Namor I will go mad!!!:mad:

[Diggergig]

I think I'll keep my mod Angel thanks. (It's the horseman version - blue face, silver wings, some excellent modding dude from ebay-US.) Will use the official stats though.

[skyounkin]

Diggergig...I totally know what you mean, I mod figs myself and I consider myself in the pretty darn good catagory, but when it comes to some figs that come out by wizkids I'm like "Eh, I'll use mine"....plus it's silly but the time that goes into modding a fig, you feel more of a connection to it, than the ones put out by wizkids, if you know what I mean.;)

[Rocket Ranger]

Ah, let's let as much sunlight in on this thread as is possible at 1 am.
On the bright side, Angel is coming out. We're finally getting him, so obviously Wizkids read our want lists. Personally, I am an Avenger fan more than an X-men one, so Angel's inclusion is one less slot for an Avenger. It's also strange that he is the 2nd X-men preview out of 3 so far for this set coming out on the heels of Xplosion, an X-men themed set. I could complain about his lack of the Defender representation as well, but I will wait for the LE to be revealed, as should we all. Anyway, lets hope the LE is or else we'll get another 15 pages of complaints. Until then, its a moot point.

So, Wizkids, good job, and thanks. The poses may not be pleasing to everyone(Venom and Archangel), but at least they are creative and interesting. The paint jobs are the easiest thing to customize, so its ok too. If his dial is different and playable, it looks like another plus for this set. Overall, I want to say thanks for creating another fan favorite.

Now, on the whole idea of Defenders, who knows why Wizkids has held them and the JSA back for so long. If Angel isn't a Defender at all, that means that they will probably release a version of him later on in a Defender themed set. I also doubt Namor will will appear in this one. They might do to the Silver Surfer what they did with Ironman in Xplosion and believe he is powerful enough to represent the Defenders on his own. Also, don't forget, if the unique Hulk does indeed have the Spiderman team, he's another option. Or, I personally think we will see the Black Knight, who would fill both the Avenger and Defender roles well. Not to mention a Valkyrie or who knows, maybe Namor will be Wizkids' big surprise for us all.:)
Ok, I'll stop now.

[GianSingir]

Ok, I plugged some numbers into, Retardog's Point Formula, and this is what I came up with for the Vet Archangel.

10/9/8/7/6/6
9/9/8/8/7/6
16/15/14/14/13/12
2/2/1/1/1/1

Keeping the Charge, and ES/D, all the way down the dial, and X-Men Team(obviously). Also, I put Support, on clix 2-6. It comes out to 68 points. But, since it's unknown, how many clix of life he has, this could be waaaaay off. If he looked like this, I think he'd be pretty playable, but who knows?

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by Rocket Ranger
...The paint jobs are the easiest thing to customize, so its ok too...

Maybe I'm not half as good a modder as others on these boards, but with all the structures and wires on his costume, it won't at all look good to just repaint Angel!
Modding this sculpt into the original Archangel costume with metal-wings comes close to resculpting the whole thing.

We could have just gotten 3 Angels and maybe later an Archangel, or an Archangel unique!

Dr. M :devious:

[Batman1983]

I think I'll pick up:

Unique Angelus (for Base/Powers)
any Vulture (for figure) (have seen Human torch w/ hawkman wings, good for advanced modders)
Paint (for Vulture)

That should solve the Archangel: Horseman of Apocalypse problem.

[JayThor]

Great sculpt! Action poses always look funny, but great detail. I guess we will hear all about the lack of metal wings, but I'm totally satisfied with the sculpt. As to the dial, I will have to see more than Charge and E/SD to field this guy on less than a 500 point team.
Great job, WK!

[juz]

That is one of the worst poses I've ever seen on a clix. UGH! :ermm:

[Grappler]

As die hard of a traditionalist as I am, I did see an XMen the Movie comic that depicted Angel in this uniform, and I remember my impression was that this was the best Angel had ever looked. (Now the Sculpt may not come across the same way but the comic looked cool). But based on what they described it does seem that they might have him in different uniforms to cover his Apocolypse time and his rookie days. If so, then all will be totally sweet! But this is still a cool figure.

[Grappler]

As die hard of a traditionalist as I am, I did see an XMen the Movie comic that depicted Angel in this uniform, and I remember my impression was that this was the best Angel had ever looked. (Now the Sculpt may not come across the same way but the comic looked cool). But based on what they described it does seem that they might have him in different uniforms to cover his Apocolypse time and his rookie days. If so, then all will be totally sweet! But this is still a cool figure.

[Grappler]

As die hard of a traditionalist as I am, I did see an XMen the Movie comic that depicted Angel in this uniform, and I remember my impression was that this was the best Angel had ever looked. (Now the Sculpt may not come across the same way but the comic looked cool). But based on what they described it does seem that they might have him in different uniforms to cover his Apocolypse time and his rookie days. If so, then all will be totally sweet! But this is still a cool figure.

[Noman]

That echo is realy impressive...

boneyard says that "Angel" is the LE wheras Archangel is the name on the REV's.
(see boneyards latest list).

Does this mean that their is a different sculpt or paint job for the LE ?

If not, then will the LE be Angel from X Men 1, in the full-head-covering original Black and Yellow X Men suit.

Anyone know ?

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Canada Maestro]

Originally posted by Noman
Anyone know ?


Those who know probably aren't telling. But typically the LEs do not have their own sculp or paint job so the Angel LE will most likely look just like the regular figure.

My theory is that the LE will be a little better than the Rookie and have the Defenders team ability. But that's just random thoughts going off in my head.

[darthnader]

I like the sculpt.

Unfortunately it is only appropriate for the Vet.

I cannot understand what WK was thinking with Exp version. I mean we've had two REV versions of Wolvie, 2 Uniques and an LE, plus Patch in the new set, all of which look different and represent different powers. We've gotten 2 REV Elektras in the same costume, and 2 Uniques that at least look different (EA really could go either way, but I'd argue that she's much different than the others). We've had 2 Daredevil REVs in the same red costume, and we're about to get the third version of Spider-man in the traditional blue and red. And we even have two versions of Cyclops, an REV and a Unique. So why, why, WHY did WK feel the need to waste the potential of a metal-winged REV or Unique blue skinned, metal winged Archangel and simultaneously neglect a Defenders version?

I realize that Angel has never appeared in a motion picture, and that he's only made rare appearances in the cartoons, but he's appeared plenty in the comics, and comic fans make up a pretty large portion of HC's fanbase. So why does WK chose to alienate us with this asinine decision? If they wanted to make more versions of Archangel in the future, they didn't have to screw up this version to do it. Now the only way they can correct their mistake is to make another REV with metal wings whose Rookie version represents the Angel of the Defenders, and Exp and Vet versions are during his metal-winged time with the X-men. Then we can just switch the figures on the current Exp and the future Rook and everything will finally even out. Problem solved, fans are happy, WK is able to postpone clix of Angar the Screamer, Turner D. Century, and Mr. Doll a little longer.

[elfholme]

Originally posted by darthnader
I realize that Angel has never appeared in a motion picture, and that he's only made rare appearances in the cartoons, but he's appeared plenty in the comics, and comic fans make up a pretty large portion of HC's fanbase. So why does WK chose to alienate us with this asinine decision? If they wanted to make more versions of Archangel in the future, they didn't have to screw up this version to do it. Now the only way they can correct their mistake is to make another REV with metal wings whose Rookie version represents the Angel of the Defenders, and Exp and Vet versions are during his metal-winged time with the X-men. Then we can just switch the figures on the current Exp and the future Rook and everything will finally even out. Problem solved, fans are happy, WK is able to postpone clix of Angar the Screamer, Turner D. Century, and Mr. Doll a little longer.

I think they were trying to please the most people with limited resources (three versions of the same fig), and that's gonna leave some people unimpressed. If they'd just done it as Angel, made the E version a Defender, then the Archangel fans (I'm not one, FWIW :ermm:) would be up in arms, as they'd have to wait half a year for the next set to get an Angel with shooty bits.

As an Angel (not Archangel) fan, I;m extremely happy with the sculpt (it looks to me like he's at the top of a flight arc, turning around for another pass to me...Lord of the Dance is the U Hellboy :p), and pretty happy with the way they released the fig. I'd prefer the E version be a Defender, but that just means it's not perfect.

-Mark

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by Toku666


If you can HONESTLY get bent out of shape because HeroClix sets don't conform to the whacko rules in your head and how those rules shape the "reality" of a comic book universe, then one of two cases apply:

1) You need to get out more often, and do more.

2) Your life could be so much worse that you just need to take a step back and be a little more objective.

It's ONLY A GAME, and they're ONLY COMIC BOOKS.

Don't take it any further than that, because that way lies madness...

I don't want to get this confused for flaming Toku666, but in response to this (since I am one of the most adament complainers) I just had to mention that, this is what the thread is here for. The preview is supposed to give us some insight into the set and then we post our feelings about it, thats what is supposed to happen. I think the "it's just a game get a life" response is a little unfair, why ? Because on HCRealms we talk about HC stuff, whether we like what we see or not is only an oppinion shared in the proper forum and nothing more. :)

[Yeti]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the LE is called Angel and not Warren Worthington III? Wouldn't that mean he is the first non-alterego LE? Or maybe they just released who the LE was going to be of.

[bullseye100]

cool, but doesn't archangel have a healing ability now???

[Darkskaven]

The sculpt of this figure, to my advice, is still a good one. There's a real mistake (at least!) in the character making, but the sculpt is impressive. Is it me or these wings are quite huge ? It ought to be a real challenge for the workers to fit this figure in a booster pack without breaking it. Guys if you see a booster pack with a hump on it you could easily guess who is one of the four characters in it. ;)

[Basil Elks]

About time. :grin: :laugh:

[mulkabu]

Awesome figure. awesome.

Brian

[ChrisClix]

I am thrilled to get Angel, but I would have preferred to have seen him as follows:

R: Angel, X-Men, red costume
E: Angel, Defenders
V: Archangel, X-Men, blue costume, blue skin
U: Archangel, no affiliation, 4 Horseman costume, metal wings.

[Yeti]

The description doesn't say one way or the other whether or not the Vet has support, the powers it mentions are not in the same "slot" as support. So to assume one way or the other is simply not worth it. I think that he will have it and Wizkids purposely left it out, just for kicks.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :classic:

[Dr. Morbius]

Dunno if this has been mentioned, but taking a close look at Archangel's base, you can see that we're actually looking at his rookie version.
So...without a doubt: the sculpt and paintjob will be the same throughout the dial.
Cool...the E version can shoot razor-blades out of its feathered wings!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cross-eye

What a waste of potential!!

adding to the list:
1. Storm E: no Mowhawk sculpt
2. Archangel E: no metal wings

I really think that even if they use the same sculpt for all 3 levels, they should make a unique or a different REV for when the characters have MAJOR CHANGES in their looks.

What's next? A Boneclaw Wolverine without the bandana wearing boneclawed sculpt?

*sigh* :(

Dr. M :devious:

[Mike-Xension]

yeti - there have been plenty non- alter ego les -

annihilius
lobster johnson
superman
gl


loads..........

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by Yeti
The description doesn't say one way or the other whether or not the Vet has support, the powers it mentions are not in the same "slot" as support. So to assume one way or the other is simply not worth it. I think that he will have it and Wizkids purposely left it out, just for kicks.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :classic:

The description says he will have ES/D all the way down the dial. This means there will be no Regen, a strong clue that the second mutation powers are not represented. Maybe no support

[Mike-Xension]

yup, totally agree doc.

[Kergillian]

I actually like the sculpt, and considering the vast differences between costumes, they pretty much had to choose one - not my fav (the blue one w/ the halo was) but I'm happy enough to have any Angel that a costume isn't an issue worth worrying about.

The exp issue IS, however. It's ridiculous to ignore the Defenders, and frankly even if the LE IS a Defender, I still have an issue as that makes it difficult to obtain a character from a team that is so unfortunately under-manned.

I know that WK people do keep an eye on the boards, so I can't understand why they didn't go with what the vast majority of people who spoke up about Angel suggested - and a U Archangel with an REV Angel just makes so much more sense logistically, and powers-wise.

For the first time in quite a while, I'm disappointed - esp. as Angel was my fav Defender, and has always been one of my fav X-Men and I want to see him done *right*. But as I said before I'm happy enough to have an Angel that I'll get over it.

Though it will be easier with a Defenders set =)

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[JonL]

This figure was created long before Angel's secondary mutation showed up in the books. So, he doesn't have Support or Regen.

I nearly spit up my drink when I saw that show up in the books because we'd just finalized the dials a few weeks before.

I just wanted to let you all know.

Best,

Jon Leitheusser
Director of Game Design
WizKids, LLC

[sol]

Hey Jon,
How come it always says you're offline even when you just posted?

[Kergillian]

well that explains that conundrum.

It also explains why the various suggestions were ignored, I suppose - though I still can't fathom the lack of an easily obtainable Defenders Angel...

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by JonL
This figure was created long before Angel's secondary mutation showed up in the books. So, he doesn't have Support or Regen.

I nearly spit up my drink when I saw that show up in the books because we'd just finalized the dials a few weeks before.

I just wanted to let you all know.

Best,

Jon Leitheusser
Director of Game Design
WizKids, LLC

thanks for replying. Even if the character is slightly off at least, your reply shows interest, if not concern for our opinion

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by JonL
This figure was created long before Angel's secondary mutation showed up in the books. So, he doesn't have Support or Regen.

I nearly spit up my drink when I saw that show up in the books because we'd just finalized the dials a few weeks before.

I just wanted to let you all know.

Best,

Jon Leitheusser
Director of Game Design
WizKids, LLC

Well..
I didn't like that second mutation thing anyways, so no problems there !

BUT why the leather suit ?
why ? JoN why ?

[skeevo666]

the lack of comment on a Defenders version is conspicuously absent . . .

[chi_madnes]

The LE is not a Defender.... Let the complaining continue

[logan_xavier]

Now my question is...

Since the LE has a blue face, does any of the REV have it?

I couldn't tell, but does the LE have feather wings?

[Kergillian]

*unique*Defenders Angel...? Anybody...?

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[chi_madnes]

Originally posted by Kergillian
*unique*Defenders Angel...? Anybody...?

Cheers!
-Ben =)

would be nice but that would be 2 Unique defenders in one set - highly unlikely

Also is you look on the Wizkids site, there is a larger picture of the Fig. The pose actually looks pretty good here, but the wings are only painted silver . At least it has the blue face with the silver wings - even if they still look feathery. my guess is that The E version will look the same way.

[GonzoDracus]

ok.. as far as the sculpt and paint and costume, etc.

Doesn't Marvel have the final say as to what version of the character gets to be in the game? If so, even if Jon L. wanted to have different versions of him sculpted, the license doesn't permit him to do it. And this isn't taking into account the economics logistics of the issue....

just to shed another light on the problem...

(cause DC also did it with GL)

[chi_madnes]

I Really doubt that would be an issue with marvel, especially since it's been done b4

[chi_madnes]

I Really doubt that would be an issue with marvel, especially since it's been done b4