The Sword is Drawn, Excalibur

[Starman973]

U Phoenix 85
U Shadowcat 36
U Nightcrawler 83
Vet Venom 84 <---In for Meggan
R Wonder Woman 71 <---In for Captain Britian
E Paramedic 10
V Sheild Snipper 18
E Gotham Policeman 13
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Total 400

Can someone think of better Stand-ins for Meggan and Captain Britain? I'd like to hear other ideas on this. This is just a theme team for fun, i might use it someday in a freindly game, let me know what you think.

[Taibak]

Hmmm... you might want to consider using Deathbird instead of Venom for Meggan. You lose the Perplex, but gain flight. Granted Perplex is a good approximation of shapeshifting, but I think Deathbird's RCE and B/C/F do a pretty good job representing the way Meggan tended to use her powers in combat - energy blasts and her werewolf form. Energy Shield/Deflection is a bit of a stretch, but no more than Venom's Super Strength. Plus, Starfire should be pretty easy to repaint as Meggan. :-)

As for Captain Britain, Wonder Woman is a good approximation. Only other figure I might reccomend is Angelus, with the B/C/F and Battle Fury representing the fact that Brian isn't, ahem, the most disciplined fighter out there. I'm not sure that's worth giving up Wonder Woman's Charge and Super Strength for though.

Dig the generics. They fit in quite nicely for Dai Thomas, and Alysande and Alistair Stuart. All you need now is to squeeze in V Kabuki for Kylun and the Green Lantern of choice for Cerise. :-)

[Puuka]

You could use Troia for Britian, Has the same TA (Titans) as the Xmen

[Puuka]

And if you pant a shapeshifter for Meggan, use Changeling (Again a Titan team member)

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
Hmmm... you might want to consider using Deathbird instead of Venom for Meggan. You lose the Perplex, but gain flight. Granted Perplex is a good approximation of shapeshifting, but I think Deathbird's RCE and B/C/F do a pretty good job representing the way Meggan tended to use her powers in combat - energy blasts and her werewolf form. Energy Shield/Deflection is a bit of a stretch, but no more than Venom's Super Strength. Plus, Starfire should be pretty easy to repaint as Meggan. :-)

I Went with Venom cause i thought leap and climb was close enough to flying. I already have three other flyers on the team. and I have never seen Meggan do a ranged attack so actually the 4 range counts against him. which is why I thought Deathbird with RCE and running shot was not a good fit. I have seen her get super stonger and wolf out so I thought Superstrength and BCF was fitting, the toughness is cause I've seen her do tough hides before, the only thing that doesn't fit is the regen. I figure the odds of me landing on it are pretty slim.


As for the team ability, the rest of the team werer X-men, Captain Britain and Meggan were never x-men.

You know I was entertaining putting in Psylocke, She is Captains sister afterall. =]

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
As for Captain Britain, Wonder Woman is a good approximation. Only other figure I might reccomend is Angelus, with the B/C/F and Battle Fury representing the fact that Brian isn't, ahem, the most disciplined fighter out there. I'm not sure that's worth giving up Wonder Woman's Charge and Super Strength for though.


Hmm, With Cap I have known him to be brash and more of a brawler. which is why I thought CCE that can be outwitted would be better than him having a natural 4 damage. and the light change his normal fly in and hit first tactic. The fact that at the end of the dial most of the powers are gone are very fitting for Cap cause he often lost power in certain situations. Like the aftermath of the INFERNO. I really don't think BCF applies in the same sence as how you want it.

[BudPalmer]

You should use Iron Man in place of Captain Britain; they both have issues with alcohol.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
Dig the generics. They fit in quite nicely for Dai Thomas, and Alysande and Alistair Stuart. All you need now is to squeeze in V Kabuki for Kylun and the Green Lantern of choice for Cerise. :-)
I had alomst forgotten about those supporting characters till you mentioned them, thought no one can truely forget the odd triangle tween Alistair who liked Rachel, and Kitty who like Alistar, and Rachel who had bigger plans.

If i tried to put in sasomeone else for the team it would be Psylocke and something for Widget. Not really should what that would be. And then there is also MiniMax and that pale skinned driud kid. not sure what his name was.

[Starman973]

Since widget was basicly just a teleporter not much of an offensive figure maybe the dreadaught might fit I'm not sure.

[Taibak]

Actually, the best fit for Widget would be R Shadowcat - all he really did was open doorways through the multiverse. If you want Micromax, Colossus is probably your best bet. The activation click representing his 'normal' form and the hulked-up clicks representing him after he grew. Feron, the mage from Alan Davis's run, would be a tough one, really. R Boom Boom might be your best bet since, as I remember, apart from a few weak offensive spells, he was pretty useless.

Anyway, I think you're right on the money for Wonder Woman and her Close Combat Expert. It fits Brian well. I'm still not sure Venom is the right choice for Meggan though. The B/C/F fits well, but I'm still not convinced about that Super Strength since, if I remember right, she only ever tried using it when she took on Juggernaut. If you don't like Deathbird, you might want to consider The Darkness. The Toughness is a little bit of a stretch, but it gets you a much more streamlined B/C/F and Leap/Climb figure. Meggan *could* generate energy blasts though. She didn't use them often, but she could when she needed to.

[NickVenom2]

use ur mommas 4 ur daddys 4 ur sisters

[Starman973]

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/meggan.htm

okay I'm not seeing anythign in here about energy blasts, but I am seeing super strength, I'm starting to this Venom fits just fine.

[Starman973]

how about using Exp Fatality for Circie?
the powers seem to fit.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
Actually, the best fit for Widget would be R Shadowcat - all he really did was open doorways through the multiverse. If you want Micromax, Colossus is probably your best bet. The activation click representing his 'normal' form and the hulked-up clicks representing him after he grew. Feron, the mage from Alan Davis's run, would be a tough one, really. R Boom Boom might be your best bet since, as I remember, apart from a few weak offensive spells, he was pretty useless.

Okay I think you are right about Widget, but I'm thinking he might be best represented as a pog peice, at least in his early incarnation. I forget what he could do in his humanoid incarnation.
As for Micromax, I think I'd rather use vet hawk. for the cost i thnk he is a good figure and course I think the 12 attack value well represents how easy it is to hit something when your fist is the size of a moble home.
I'm going to have to look up more on Feron before I make the call there, but I think Experienced Fatality fits better than GL for Circie, what do you think.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
I think Deathbird's RCE and B/C/F do a pretty good job representing the way Meggan tended to use her powers in combat - energy blasts and her werewolf form.
Originally posted by Taibak
Meggan *could* generate energy blasts though. She didn't use them often, but she could when she needed to.
Do you think that RCE is warrented in a figure when they don't use thier ranged power often? and if you could direct my attention to the issues when she did use it I'd love to know. after the Titans Excalibur was the first team book I collected. I liked them more cause I started collecting right when they came out.

[CquinnO27]

Not to get too off topic here, but thought you might be interested that there will be a new Excalibur series coming out in April. And X-treme X-Men will be biting th dust

[Starman973]

new? but no change of having Rachel Summers or captain Britain or Meggan?

[Grinner]

I've been thinking that the HT Unique Superman wasn't a bad representation for Captain Britian.

[Mastermind]

I have made a full Excalibur team, here is what I used:
Meggan.. Vet Arcane
Captain Britian.. Vet Wonder Woman
Rachel Summers.. Darkseid
Widget... Exp Invisible Woman
Peter Wisdom.. LE Boomerang
Kylun... Vet Black Panther
Micromax... Exp Hawk
Feron... Rookie Dr. Strange
Lockheed... Vet TO Morrow
Then of course I have Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, and Colossus.

[gideonpryde]

The Excalibur team I use for 300 pts that has yet to be defeated:

Unique Nightcrawler
Experienced Wolfsbane
Experienced Colossus
Veteran Magick
Rookie Shadowcat
Veteran Paramedic

They friggin rock

[SpiderMax]

I heard about the Excalibur revamp and nearly ####ped my pants! I love Excalibur, albeit the only issues I've been able to read are the ones I picked up at flea markets. Not only is a revamp enough it's gonna be written by Chris Claremont, the original writer. Sooo good.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Mastermind
I have made a full Excalibur team, here is what I used:
Meggan.. Vet Arcane
Captain Britian.. Vet Wonder Woman
Rachel Summers.. Darkseid
Widget... Exp Invisible Woman
Peter Wisdom.. LE Boomerang
Kylun... Vet Black Panther
Micromax... Exp Hawk
Feron... Rookie Dr. Strange
Lockheed... Vet TO Morrow
Then of course I have Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, and Colossus.
I have the Unique Shadowcat w/Lochheed so for me there is no need for a lockheed peice. after some heavy thinking on which figures best represent some of the other choices you have made. I think that I agree with you that Hawk does a good job of representing Micromax, but I think I like the Vet over the Exp. I will actually have to read to figure out just what Feron could do, best I have read on line is Limited magical cababilities. As for Kylun I think a Vet Scarab or a Rookie Cheetah would fit. the outwit of Blackpanther just doesn't make sence even if you claim it's his abiility to mimic sounds. that would be more a perplexing thing and he never used it like that at all.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Mastermind
I have made a full Excalibur team, here is what I used:
Meggan.. Vet Arcane
Captain Britian.. Vet Wonder Woman
Rachel Summers.. Darkseid
Widget... Exp Invisible Woman
Peter Wisdom.. LE Boomerang
Kylun... Vet Black Panther
Micromax... Exp Hawk
Feron... Rookie Dr. Strange
Lockheed... Vet TO Morrow
Then of course I have Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, and Colossus.
Okay, now Peter Wisdom was never really in Excalibur. so He's out. And Dr. Strange does not seem to work for Feron. Even the rookie is just too darn powerful for his limited powers. Or so I think so. for Him I would think a littel Probablity control and EE and 6 in range. like a Cross tween Desinty and Experienced BoomBoom.

[Starman973]

Main Excalibur force
Nightcrawler™ Unique 83
Shadowcat™ Unique 36
Phoenix™ Unique 85
Shield Sniper™ Vet 18 <---- Alistair Stuart
Gotham Policeman™ Exp 13 <---- Alysande Stuart
Paramedic™ Exp 10 <---- Dai Thomas
Venom™ Veteran 84 <---- Meggan
Wonder Woman™ Rook 71 <---- Captain Britan
Total 400 Even

Extened Excalibur - At the end of Alan Davis' second run
Cheetah™ Rook 43 <---- Kylun
Hawk™ Vet 69 <---- Micromax
Fatality™ Exp 68 <---- Cerise
Shadowcat™ Vet 40 <----- Widget (Humanoid)
Nemesis™ Rook 63 <---- Feron
A.I.M. Medic™ Vet 17 <---- Moria MacTaggert
Total 300

Okay first, I know more isn't a member of Excalibur, but I needed another medic and she fits best like this. Maybe they will do her in future sets who knows. Now with Feron, I wasn't sure what to do. I know he's got vengence issues, and He's got light magic. I think Rookie Dr. Strange was too powerful.
So I think Nemesis with the funky team abilty and Psyich blast with Probabity control made for goo representiont. It's rather his toughness be Engery Sheild/Deflection, but beggers can't be choosers. I agree Kitty pride is the best for Widget and since I'm doing Widget at the End of Alan Davis' run, I can stick in Vet Shadowcat for the Humanoid verions of him. I thought with the phaseing that GL didn't fit and Fatality worked nicely. Kylun was hot to pin down, I remember his swords could not hurt an innocent. so I thought Battle fury would be best on top of Supersences and BCF. which narrowed the feild. Cheetah fit best, and you know my thoughts on MicroMax. What do you think of it Now? :)

[saxman0829]

NEWEXCALIBUR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!joyjoyjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This will happen in April? will they bring Kitty out of retirement? is this a part of the regular stuff or an extreme title?
oh yeah, for pete wisdom I just used an experienced boom-boom.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by SpiderMax
I heard about the Excalibur revamp and nearly ####ped my pants! I love Excalibur, albeit the only issues I've been able to read are the ones I picked up at flea markets. Not only is a revamp enough it's gonna be written by Chris Claremont, the original writer. Sooo good.
After doing some checking it turns out Rachel came back form the future in cable issue #85& #86. and later she choose to get back into the game. I hope that writer burnout has long since left Chris Claremont. I got the Sovereign Seven and honestly it sucked big lemons. and since then I haven't picked up any of his works except that Mini-series he did with Kitty pryde. mechanix or something like that. that wasn't bad, except for introing characters I never heard of. other than that, it was good.
Course that's not Chris's fault, I haven't really read the X-men since the Excutioner's song, not inclusing the issue were Illayan dies. Anyone got some actual links where it shows that Excalibur is coming back?

[Taibak]

Starman: Looks good. I still like Deathbird for Meggan. Super Strength is good, but I think she should at least have more range than Venom since she *can* fire energy blasts (Excalibur #18, for instance, has her duplicating the powers of Havok, Dazzler, and Storm). Granted she used that ability only rarely, but she still used it. Venom isn't a bad fit, oddly enough, but the lack of flying hurts.

As for Kylun, how do you figure Battle Fury? All that will do is keep him from shooting and make him immune to mind control. Since he probably shouldn't have a ranged attack and has no particular psychic resitance, I don't see how it fits. B/C/F or even CCE is the best approximation for his swords.

My only big objection is Alistair Stuart. S.H.I.E.L.D. Sniper seems all wrong. That would actually be a better fit for Alysande Stuart (Sgt. Rock wouldn't be bad for her either - she was a heck of a soldier). Alistair, IMO, would be much better served by a S.H.I.E.L.D. Medic since he really wasn't a soldier. Then again, he wasn't really a medic either, but Support seems like less of a stretch than RCE.

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
Starman: Looks good. I still like Deathbird for Meggan. Super Strength is good, but I think she should at least have more range than Venom since she *can* fire energy blasts (Excalibur #18, for instance, has her duplicating the powers of Havok, Dazzler, and Storm). Granted she used that ability only rarely, but she still used it. Venom isn't a bad fit, oddly enough, but the lack of flying hurts.
As for Kylun, how do you figure Battle Fury? All that will do is keep him from shooting and make him immune to mind control. Since he probably shouldn't have a ranged attack and has no particular psychic resitance, I don't see how it fits. B/C/F or even CCE is the best approximation for his swords.
My only big objection is Alistair Stuart. S.H.I.E.L.D. Sniper seems all wrong. That would actually be a better fit for Alysande Stuart (Sgt. Rock wouldn't be bad for her either - she was a heck of a soldier). Alistair, IMO, would be much better served by a S.H.I.E.L.D. Medic since he really wasn't a soldier. Then again, he wasn't really a medic either, but Support seems like less of a stretch than RCE.
I agree with you on the meggah issue, but I thin Vemon fits best for now, who knows in two months there could be something better for her. And he does have leap and climb which closely mimics flying
As for Kylun and battle fury he has mystical swords which could never hurt a kind hearted person. Which is why when he first came to excalibur's lighthouse and he swung his sword at night crawler it passed through night crawler. I know it's a streach, but the only other figure I thoguht could fit him had stealth and I couldn't justify stealth.
As for Alistair, yeah I know, I honestly picked the snipper cause team wise I thoguth it worked. Though Alistair did carry a gun and was a member of the pritish's version of shield. he was by no streatch of the imagination a snipper, but like I said team wise the snipper works so I'm keeping it that way.

[Starman973]

okay, the good news, the create team of Claremont and Alan davis aare on an X book, bad news it's not Excalibur. more bad news? Chris is writing a new excalibur book, but it will center on Charles Xaivor and Angel will be in the title as well. So it looks like I'll be getting the new X book with Alan davis, but not Excalibur.

[Starman973]

Hey Taibak, what did you think of having Exp Fatality represent Cerise. a pretty good match huh?

[Taibak]

Originally posted by Starman973
Hey Taibak, what did you think of having Exp Fatality represent Cerise. a pretty good match huh?

Excellent match, actually. You're right that Green Lantern's Phasing just doesn't fit her. I was thinking that the team ability would be nice, but it's hardly necessary.

I just wish there was a better fit for Kylun out there. You'd think *someone* in Indy would have had B/C/F and Perplex. :-p

[Mastermind]

I have always used a Vet Arcane for Meggan, he seems to work very well.

Chet

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Taibak
I just wish there was a better fit for Kylun out there. You'd think *someone* in Indy would have had B/C/F and Perplex. :-p
I checked, the onlye figures that have both BCF and perplex are Patch, Venom, Unique Eletra, and Vet taskmaster. In otherwords none fit. and I don't recall him using his mutant power to mimic sounds to throw a lot of people off. so from there, I figured just getting a figure that has BCF and Super sences would work. the only ones that came close was Vet Scarab. cause remember He can't have any range as well. so Rookie Cheetah, I thought fit better.
Heres some Indy Clix that have no range BCF and Super sences. And remember they have to have BCF for a good while and start with it.

Arashi < Has leadership and stealth
Vet Boon< No starting BCF last for two clicks
Rookie Kabuki <TA of stealth

And barring uniques of already named figures that's all there is for that. Do you think one of these other figures fit better?

[Starman973]

Originally posted by Mastermind
I have always used a Vet Arcane for Meggan, he seems to work very well.Chet
God, why use such a figure for Meggan, how does that fit her? Ick.