Marvel HeroClix: Universe Booster Pack

[Draddog]

<P ALIGN="CENTER"><IMG SRC="/images/smMarvel_Universelogo.jpg"><BR><B>Marvel HeroClix: <I>Universe</I> Booster Pack</B><BR>Product Information<BR><IMG SRC="/images/MarvelUniverseStarter.jpg"><P><B>Stock Number:</B> WZK3207<BR><B>Title:</B> <B>Marvel HeroClix:</B> <I>Universe</I> Booster Pack<BR><B>MSRP:</B> $3.99<BR><B>Expected Release:</B> May 2004<P><B>Marvel™ HeroClix™:</B> <I>Universe</I> features favorite Marvel heroes and villains in a fast-paced game of comic battles and fun-filled mayhem! The set features 126 ready-to-play, prepainted Marvel figures from the wildly popular <I>Infinity Challenge</I> and <I>Xplosion</I> sets. The randomly packed 2-figure <I>Universe</I> Booster Packs let fans collect and play all their favorite characters. The <B>Marvel HeroClix:</B> <I>Universe</I> Starter Set contains everything a player needs to get started including 6 <B>preselected</B> figures: Spider-Man™, Elektra™, Hobgoblin™, Woverine™, Sabretooth™, and Wasp™. These 6 signature figures feature updated statistics and are only available in the starter.<P><B>Contents</B><UL><LI>2 randomly inserted, prepainted, fully assembled miniatures</UL>

[malchyor]

huh???

unlimited already? any clue if magneto will also be updated? any clue to the u's???

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Where the bloody blue heck did this come from all of a sudden??

On a side note, perhaps we'll actually be getting a playable Hobgoblin...

[SonofVader]

Whaaaat?

[Chaomancer O]

How odd. IC and XP, but not CT.

[SonofVader]

Did anything else besides those 6 get updated stats?

And Ned Leeds is playable, DS. So is the E Hobgoblin. Personally, I'm more relieved than anything else that we're getting more Elektras and Wolverines (revamps are even better!). I thought that we weren't going to get any more Elektras, so this will let me sleep soundly and with just at night. I've done my duty.

[Manchine]

updated statistics????

Is this POWERBOMB!

:laugh: :p ;) :laugh: :p ;)

[SonofVader]

Oh, and I'm really glad they redid Wasp and not Captain America. Thank goodness for that one.

Good thing we're getting a redone Sabertooth as well, and not Magneto. Oh, man. I was really worried they were going to fix Cap and Mags and just leave Sabertooth and Wasp alone. *Whew*

[Nevest]

Ummmmm, where did this come from? Is the whole set full of IC and XP sculpts with new stats? That is going to be so confusing at tournaments. "So is that the IC Wolverine or the Universe Wolverine?"

[TheFreak]

wow. only mentioned six figs, and already people are gripin...give them some time....

[Yeti]

I am thinking that this is the set that we will see in retail stores across America, and all those other places too, whereever they are.....;) :laugh: :laugh:

[skeevo666]

First Galactus and now this?



I need a nap . . .


:confused:

[HotSauce]

I can wait to buy a case!!! Woops wrong thread.

[Puuka]

so if those six are only available in the starter, will they be uniques?

[AlgertMan]

"updated stats", ho-hum what confusion we have here

[Yeti]

Originally posted by Puuka
so if those six are only available in the starter, will they be uniques?

I doubt it, they aren't very unique if you know what you are going to get. Unless they randomize the mix. You know Like 4 electras and 2 wasps....

[drgnoftyr]

awe i leave for 5 min's and we get new stuff:ermm:

[DS-00-0, FSD]

I imagine they chose these specific figs for several reasons:

1. The main four as shown on the box have mass appeal: Electra from the DD movie, Siperman...well, he's Spidey and has a new movie coming out, Wolverine and Sabertooth due to the X-men popularity.

2. They need fliers, so Wasp and Hobgoblin were elected as the ones to use.

3. Hobgoblin gets double duty as he will be the AE to Spiderman.



The greatest thing I'm looking forward to are new stats. I assume these will add up to 100 point teams, so we will be looking at sub-rookie levels for Spidey and Wolverine due to thier R cost being too high to attempt a 100 point team with Wasp included.

Electra will be considered a villina, so her point cost will likely saty about the same. Hobgoblin and sabertooth will likely get a sub-rookie power level as well. Very interesting. Hopefully Wolverine will not have the X-men TA since it will be useless in this kit. That will reduce his point cost a bit.

[AlgertMan]

plus it seems that ONLY the starter figs have updated stats

[miridor]

Um.. what exactly do they mean by updated statistics???

[Iron Angel]

Originally posted by Draddog
The Marvel HeroClix: Universe Starter Set contains everything a player needs to get started including 6 preselected figures: Spider-Man™, Elektra™, Hobgoblin™, Woverine™, Sabretooth™, and Wasp™. These 6 signature figures feature updated statistics and are only available in the starter.

So only those 6 figs will be updated?

[Oggs]

"These 6 signature figures feature updated statistics and are only available in the starter"

Does this mean that only these 6 figs will have new stats?? What about the rest? Only new editions of old pieces??

But the most important part: why are they doing this???

[flamepulse]

this is a way to get new people into the game. release the better figures form a few sets, and then have the starter a fixed set of figures that you can build 2 small teams with to learn how to play. makes sense to me.

[nomad]

Oggs, I bet the reason that they are doing this is to release a Marvel Starter with the correct rules in it. Nothing more annoying then buying a new game reading the rules and then finding out that they are not the actual rule for the game anylonger. I would expect to hear DC getting the same treatment in a couple of months.

[thugit]

Hmmm.....

I'm not sure what to think about this. I'm not a big fan of "updating" figures....

Maybe this is just a way to clear out some old product?

[Lilt]

They don't seem to be mentioning ranks for the starter sets. If there is only one version of that Hobgloblin what rank will he be?

[AlgertMan]

basicaly, wizzy has a TON a xplosion, and a bunch of IC, so they throw this together for fun

[Oggs]

Hmm...makes sense.

Well, am I getting blind or Wolvi´s base color is black in this picture???

[hair10]

Spider-Man™, Elektra™, Hobgoblin™, Woverine™, Sabretooth™, and Wasp™. These 6 signature figures feature updated statistics and are only available in the starter.
Huh?!!?! Did we need more spideys, elektras, and wolverines? Where did this come from?!?!

[Lilt]

Oh and is this going to replace Xplosion and IC boosters?

[Psylockeslover]

wha......?:confused:

[hair10]

I agree with thugit... I'm not a fan of updating existing figs. Just more for us collectors to have to buy. And if it's the same sculpt on a different dial, how will we be able to tell them apart (other than the stats)? Do they have some new set symbol or number on them?

[Iron Angel]

Originally posted by Manchine
updated statistics????

Is this POWERBOMB!

:laugh: :p ;) :laugh: :p ;)

Do we owe Demosthenes an apology here?

[hair10]

*says in his best Cuban accent....*

Hey Wizkids... jou got some splainin to do.

[Miraclo]

If it's all as written - just those 6 redone on the stats, and all the boosters containing a blend of IC and XP figs, I'm fine with this. I'll buy the new starter and ignore the rest of the set. Were they to go through and retool more than those 6, mixing them in with IC and XP originals, then I'd be upset. As it's described, though, it's an excellent idea. They really threw me a curve, though, as I expected them to do with with a mix of IC and CT, not XP.

May, though, hmmm. So... I wonder how far back this will push the next actual expansion?

[thugit]

Originally posted by hair10
Just more for us collectors to have to buy. And if it's the same sculpt on a different dial, how will we be able to tell them apart (other than the stats)? Do they have some new set symbol or number on them?


Precisely. I don't really care for "updated" figures that make the old versions obsolete, and make it more even more of a task to complete sets.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by hair10
I agree with thugit... I'm not a fan of updating existing figs. Just more for us collectors to have to buy. And if it's the same sculpt on a different dial, how will we be able to tell them apart (other than the stats)? Do they have some new set symbol or number on them?

Um, you buy one starter, get the six updated figs and are done.


How is that complicated??:p

You can't afford $13 after all the other $$ you've poured into the game???? ;)

[SonofVader]

Personally, I'm confused by the non-AE stuff (stuff = black bases in the pictures). And if they put in Elektra, they should've included Daredevil so we can have 3 AEs in the set. I hope this doesn't get confusing/ lame. However, since these are the two sets I'm still working on in Marvel, I don't have any *huge* problems with it (except that I won't be able to get them until May).

Also, I was thinking about DS's claim. I actually assumed they were going to be either a 200 or 300 point team, making them similar to their E or V levels. That's just me, though. And I would think that all of the pairs (if they come that way) will be equal point values, so there wouldn't be any problems swapping them.

[Kaitouace]

Incredible. Somehow they manage to put out yet ANOTHER Elektra.

[nomad]

These 6 figures in the Starter Set will be around 33 points each. They are going to make 2 100 point team.

[Spyder's Web]

No offense, but you guys sound like idiots. Go to the Wizkids site. Seriously, it says that the set will have 120 updated figs. How hard is that to comprehend, people? C'mon SonofVader, you of all people should have checked the official site FIRST. Check the site and come back here, so that I don't get TOO angry. Seriously, people.

[SonofVader]

Originally posted by Spyder's Web
No offense, but you guys sound like idiots. Go to the Wizkids site. Seriously, it says that the set will have 120 updated figs. How hard is that to comprehend, people? C'mon SonofVader, you of all people should have checked the official site FIRST. Check the site and come back here, so that I don't get TOO angry. Seriously, people.

2 things:

1. I missed the 100 point teams thing. That's my bad.

2. "The set features 126 ready-to-play, prepainted Marvel figures from the extremely popular Infinity Challenge and Xplosion sets."

Translation: same figures, man. I did check out the official site. Only 6 of the figures were updated. Read it again.

[Kaitouace]

Well I hope that they at least give Hobgoblin EE. Other than that I don't really see what needs to be redone with these particular characters. Unless maybe they want to make "Wolverine" a bit more appealing than Logan. Sabretooth was fine. Spider-Man wasn't really fine but the CM version is good enough. Wasp was fine. Elektra. Fine. They could at least repaint Elektra white instead of red. Oh well. Starter here I come.

[CapAmerica24]

I just spoke with BroMags in the chat room. Here's some quick points:

-The 6 in the starter are the only "redone" dials.
-It was a way to update the Marvel starters so they would come with the Indy rules for new players.
-Everything else is the same, except the map you get is from one of the "adventures packs".

So, for people who already have the complete set of IC, it's not worth buying more than the starter for the updated rule book and the 6 redone figs. Though, I do wish they would have chosen Cap instead of Wasp.

[thugit]

Cap, Cap, Cap....

It's very "un" bad guy to quote yourself in your signature.

You have to say something so cool that someone ELSE puts it in their signature. (see AlphaFlights sig)

[PMMJ]

Originally posted by thugit
I'm not sure what to think about this. I'm not a big fan of "updating" figures....

It won't make the ones I have obsolete, so I don't mind at all. It's just like a new version.

Personally, I'd love it if they updated a whole bunch of figs with the expansion. Magneto, Juggernaut, etc.

Maybe this is just a way to clear out some old product?

Very likely.

[Spyder's Web]

Sonofvader, and everyone else involved, I apologize for the dumb post. I read the thing wrong, and in my willlingness for updated figs, I did what so many of us do: I read what wasn't on the page. Sorry folks.

[hair10]

Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
Um, you buy one starter, get the six updated figs and are done.


How is that complicated??:p

You can't afford $13 after all the other $$ you've poured into the game???? ;)
I wasn't really concerned about the $13 if that's all it is. If they are only going to do the 6 figs, I'm OK with that (and so far, from what Cap says, that's it). I'm just worried that this will lead to more figs being "redone". Also, I still would like to know what is going to be redone. How will be be able to tell IC "original" spidey from the spidey in this pack? If nothing changed but the stats on the dial, then that says something (at least to me) about the so-called "collectible" part of this collectible miniatures game.

[rouge2]

Originally posted by CapAmerica24
I just spoke with BroMags in the chat room. Here's some quick points:
Though, I do wish they would have chosen Cap instead of Wasp.

If the purpose is to produce to 100 point teams that are scaled back versions of the demo kit, they need a flier on both sides to demonstrate the ability. Wasp would be the logical, low-point choice.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by hair10
I wasn't really concerned about the $13 if that's all it is. If they are only going to do the 6 figs, I'm OK with that (and so far, from what Cap says, that's it). I'm just worried that this will lead to more figs being "redone". Also, I still would like to know what is going to be redone. How will be be able to tell IC "original" spidey from the spidey in this pack? If nothing changed but the stats on the dial, then that says something (at least to me) about the so-called "collectible" part of this collectible miniatures game.

Well, I'm sure thay made the updated stats so there could be even 100 point teams included.

They wanted to use the most recognizable charatcers for the starter, but the point totals did not work out evenly. Creating new stats makes sense so a beginer can get the starter, learn to play using two evenly priced teams, then branch out into the expansions.

The pirces will likely have little "collectability" worth as they will be mass marketed. Still, they will provide another pointed option for people who want to run the charatcers, but cannot fit existing versions into thier teams.

I think the Starter is a great idea and I'll plop down $13 for it the first time I see it.

[Darkskaven]

I believe that there's something in the text about a new extension symbol specific to Marvel Universe. So all the figures from this set will have a specific sign to recognise them from the IC or XP ones.

It's only really important for the 6 figures whose stats will be changed.

[thugit]

Originally posted by hair10
If nothing changed but the stats on the dial, then that says something (at least to me) about the so-called "collectible" part of this collectible miniatures game.

This is the exact concern that I have.

[rouge2]

Originally posted by hair10
Also, I still would like to know what is going to be redone. How will be be able to tell IC "original" spidey from the spidey in this pack? If nothing changed but the stats on the dial, then that says something (at least to me) about the so-called "collectible" part of this collectible miniatures game.

I assume they'll do something like they did with the Premier Edition figures and "reverse" the Set indicator, or something equally minor to note the difference.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

The release on WK site states that the six figures in the starter will have a different set symbol...likely that little galaxy swirl thing that is above the product links on the right side of the announcement.

Maybe Spyder's advice was NOT such a bad idea...;)

[Puuka]

Hey, they are in boxes...

[FoxInStocks]

Originally posted by Spyder's Web
Sonofvader, and everyone else involved, I apologize for the dumb post. I read the thing wrong, and in my willlingness for updated figs, I did what so many of us do: I read what wasn't on the page. Sorry folks.

Apology accepted. And I wasn't even involved. :cool:

We need more people like this around here, willing to 'fess up when they make a mistake.

[TyeDyeSamurai]

This Elektra thing is not even funny anymore. Some people at Wizkids really need to get laid.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's a Unique in DC Unleashed.

[Puuka]

Hey, maybe we will get a firelord with the new "Power Cosmic" Team Ability (I doub't it, but it would have been cool)

[thugit]

Then I'm sorry, too.

There's a rather long list of insults and cruelty that I have to apologize for, so I'm not going into specifics.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

...but then again the word "set", as used in the announcement, can be so subjective. It could mean Starter Set or it could mean Expansion Set.

*Sigh!*

They can't get a rule book with clear wording, what makes us think they can get an announcement with clear wording?! :tired:

[CaptainMarvel]

I'm sorry if this has been stated but I haven't read all the posts. The picture has Cap A on it. Are the 6 in the starter the only ones redone?

I'm not sure how I feel about figs being redone but I am curious.

[Veggiehater]

The only thing that puzzles me about this whole set up is why only 2 figures per booster?! I just hope that this set-up isn't used in all future sets after this one...

[webhead817]

Only the six figs in the starter will have new dials.

[Gorodish]

It's Powerbomb. The mystery stands revealed.

[Thorgrin]

This bits. First off, they're continuing on their 2 figures per booster and then to top it off, the only way you can get the redone figures is by buying the starter set. The boosters are $4 each (lame) and there is no option for 4 figure boosters.

On top of that, what the heck is wrong with Elektra, Sabretooth and Wolverine from the first set? They were just fine with the point totals that they had.

All in all, I'm glad I'm starting to get out of heroclix. That and the prize support getting cut and on top of that, the lame figures for sealed events (Corsair and Moloid AGAIN?!?!) is the icing. That and Wizkids claim to the envoys that the new LEs would be more playable than before, just watch and now that most are out, most of them suck more than the other LEs just tells me that Heroclix is just going down the tubes.

That and the neverending rule changes on almost a monthly basis now (latest clarification on flyers being able to shoot out of adjacency) and a proposed rule of 3 is just killing the game in our area.

Sorry to be so negative guys, but this bites... Glad I'm getting into Mechwarrior. At least that seems to be a bit more balanced and stable...

[SABRECLAW]

Who in there right mind would buy all the same stat figures of X-plosion and IC. Pleases give me a break. There is no way that they are the only ones getting a "clix lift." They aren't stupid and don't want to loose money, which they would if the 6 where the only ones to have there stats changed. Think about it, how prevelant are the characters in the mainstream. I mean anywhere I go I can get those figs i'm missing...ebay or any other store that sells singles. If you seriously think that people are going to buy a box that has a 50/50 chance of haveing carp in it or go down to the local store or the store they are buying the boosters at and be 100% sure they'll 1) get the figure they want adn 2) pay a cheaper price, you better believe they will do that. Now, on the other hand the Starter will sell ...but if all the other figs. don't have changed stats who the heck is going to buy it. I know I won't. Now if this was clobbertime (retired) maybe but, it's not. So, that is why I stand behind the theory they remade all those figs. no matter what source says otherwise till I see for myself....and if it's so then Wizkids is dumber than a box of rocks.


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[drgnoftyr]

just buy the starter for the 6 new ones and rules power card

[Basil Elks]

Originally posted by Manchine
updated statistics????

Is this POWERBOMB!

:laugh: :p ;) :laugh: :p ;)
my thoughts exactly. :laugh: ;)

[Basil Elks]

since it's X-plosion also, does that mean that maybe an updated Abomination will be in it?

[brianhandwerk]

all i have to say is Hulk with CRE

[Marlow]

They should give Electra 'Minion of Doom' so that Hobgoblin can borrow her attack and use his team ability.

since it is a set for teaching people though I expect all six will have no team ability.

Marlow.

[Draddog]

Originally posted by SABRECLAW
Who in there right mind would buy all the same stat figures of X-plosion and IC.

Probably no one on this forum. Universe is only slightly for you guys. You will probably want a starter to get the updated rules and SAC and the 6 new stated figures. After that, you won't have an interest in this set. Well, other then the fact that as a new expansion, the uniques will have a different expansion symbol.
But I digress. This set is for all of the new players. This set is for the people who have not been playing for the past few years. This set is for the players-to-be.
Don't sweat the details, guys, you get plenty of cool stuff this year (even after Galactus :) ).
Only the 6 figures in the starter have new stats, and those are low enough to make two 100 point teams. They are for those new players so that they can learn the game. Still, they are legal figures and can be played in tournaments and so forth.

[brianhandwerk]

well maybe now we'll get a Baron Zemo as a LE? wishful thinking

[cjx2]

wow..ignorance is bliss...From what is stated on the WK site the six figures included in the starter have new stats, it does not at all hint or state that the boosters will have figures with new stats...
For all of you whiners, the reason they are doing this (selling cheaper boosters) is not for people like you. They are simply going after a new target audience, like smaller kids with much less money to spend, also the reason for the starter with 100 point teams and easy to understand quick start rules. If a parent of a 6 year old hands them the current starter with rules and figures with high point values and all the other things, it is overwhelming and smaller kids are not going to grasp it. Universe appears to have some toned down figures to make 100 point teams and just play for fun.
Do some of you think at all before you spout off in a post?

[brianhandwerk]

actually its not cheaper, its just half the price of a full booster, and their just trying to get people who got into the game late...i didn't get any of IC but i bought a few from target and i ended up getting a vet Hulk vet Captain America and a vet Firestorm. and if they put out update figs i want ill just buy them off ebay or a few sites i know of that sells single figs cheap

[Gentlegamer]

Hey, I wouldn't mind replacing a few of my Infinity Challange "old base" figures (Scarlet Witch, Blade, etc.) for ones with the "new bases." If this set draws new players, I have TONS of extras, including CLOBBERTING TIME, that I would be happy to give/trade to them!

Will uniques be among the rereleased figures? If not, newbies, once they discover what uniques are, may be a bit peeved . . .

[Blaze890]

All this new news makes my head hurt.

:confused:

I need a breather. :sleep:

[Deadpool91]

i'm thinking spidey with 2 targets, maybe 6 range? hmmm

well that's what i'm hoping anyway

and a more playable hoboglin would be great cause he's never worth playing imo.

[Thorgrin]

They already have those for the Infinity Challenge. Ok, I'll put this stipulation in. If your store has rotated through their old stock, then they should have new stock with the newer bases (other than archenemies). So you should have access to that already.

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
Hey, I wouldn't mind replacing a few of my Infinity Challange "old base" figures (Scarlet Witch, Blade, etc.) for ones with the "new bases." If this set draws new players, I have TONS of extras, including CLOBBERTING TIME, that I would be happy to give/trade to them!

Will uniques be among the rereleased figures? If not, newbies, once they discover what uniques are, may be a bit peeved . . .

[bill4935]

Originally posted by thugit
Precisely. I don't really care for "updated" figures that make the old versions obsolete, and make it more even more of a task to complete sets.

If you completed your collection, then they couldn't make money from you anymore. That's not what they want.

We can expect that there will be new sets as long as the company is in business, but we also have to expect re-releases with subtle differences.

Driving collectors crazy right up to the point where power of attorney and financial control is taken away - that's how they profit!
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Topps did market research, and found that little kids don't have $6-8 ($9-12 Cdn) to blow on a trip to the comic store. They have only a five dollar bill. Topps/WK wants that five dollar bill. They've priced themselves into the impulse purchase sector of the market.

This is good for us:
1. We get a new Hobgoblin and IC Spidey. JonL, have you been reading my dream journal?
2. The company takes measures to keep new players entering the game. They profit, and then introduce new sets with ever-more-obscure characters for us. (Crossing fingers for Puck, REV Trapster, and U Paste Pot Pete).
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/economics lecture over.
/cjx2: to err is human. Nobody needs your snarkiness, mister man.

[Thorgrin]

Yes, we DO think. Do you? Ok, to break down into simple math for you.

Current Booster suggested Retail is $6.99 which includes FOUR figures.

Current 2 Booster suggested Retail is $3.99 which includes TWO figures.

So, by buying two of the 2 Booster is $7.98. That's almost a whole dollar more than buying the Four Figure box.

I won't argue that kids may not have the money to buy the 4 boosters all the time, but don't give me the line of it's cheaper, because it's not.

Now we hit the starter set at $12.99

Again, using simple math, 3 2 booster figures = $11.97, so the 6 figures are definately costing MORE than the other figures. Granted, they are static and have different stats, but how much greater or worse are those stats to justify the cost of getting 4 figures with stats that are just fine and 2 figures that could use some revamping and one (spider-man) that had a great revamp with Critical Mass? I mean, are there really that many Hobgobin fans out there?

Take your advice, think before you post.

Originally posted by cjx2
wow..ignorance is bliss...From what is stated on the WK site the six figures included in the starter have new stats, it does not at all hint or state that the boosters will have figures with new stats...
For all of you whiners, the reason they are doing this (selling cheaper boosters) is not for people like you. They are simply going after a new target audience, like smaller kids with much less money to spend, also the reason for the starter with 100 point teams and easy to understand quick start rules. If a parent of a 6 year old hands them the current starter with rules and figures with high point values and all the other things, it is overwhelming and smaller kids are not going to grasp it. Universe appears to have some toned down figures to make 100 point teams and just play for fun.
Do some of you think at all before you spout off in a post?

[Thorgrin]

Draddog,

No disrespect, I greatly admire your work on the realms, getting information to us when you do, etc. You do a great job in that aspect.

However, as far as the updated rules/PAC goes, it appears they will be putting those online as well (like the MW versions), so that shouldn't be a big draw for those of us that do have access to printers.

As far as those that have not been playing, It would be more economical to either purchase the premier sets and/or the older items. Yes, the new starter stuff will have the new rules/PAC, but again, most of us do have access to some kind of printer and can print our own versions up for less than that cost. Even if you don't have access to it, I don't think it's going to draw in the response they're looking for if they're looking for a shot in the arm. I don't believe that's the way to do it.

Now as far as other goodies, yes Galactus is pretty cool, I'll give them that. However, I'm still very ticked off on the promises of "better LEs, more playable LEs, etc" that Wizkids claimed would happen and never fell through on (ok, the exception of perhaps a different painting of Archangel and Professor X as the Brood Queen). Sorry, but I'm not buying what they're selling (I don't mean that literally). At least on the Heroclix line, I think they're just mucking it up and alienating more people than they are drawing interest.

I'm sure judges/players in other areas are going to say "well in my area, we're getting more people than we can handle" or some other argument like that. That's great. On average, however, it seems to be dying down. There are other problems that need more addressing than this.

*shrug* ah well. Time to get stuff prepared for selling, I suppose.

Originally posted by Draddog
Probably no one on this forum. Universe is only slightly for you guys. You will probably want a starter to get the updated rules and SAC and the 6 new stated figures. After that, you won't have an interest in this set. Well, other then the fact that as a new expansion, the uniques will have a different expansion symbol.
But I digress. This set is for all of the new players. This set is for the people who have not been playing for the past few years. This set is for the players-to-be.
Don't sweat the details, guys, you get plenty of cool stuff this year (even after Galactus :) ).
Only the 6 figures in the starter have new stats, and those are low enough to make two 100 point teams. They are for those new players so that they can learn the game. Still, they are legal figures and can be played in tournaments and so forth.

[Sweetcurse]

Well, who would have thought...POWERBOMB WAS REAL AFTER ALL!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

THE MADNESS!!!!!!!

[Deadfish]

Wow, somebody else remembers Past-Pot_pete, now if they include the Wingless Wizard , the Beetle, Moltent Man, EggHead, Unicorn...'60s here I come

[_Zap_]

Only on HCrealms would there be so much complaining about something like this :laugh:
The smaller boosters are so younger kids can buy it easier. If you like 4 person boosters then BUY 4 PERSON BOOSTERS. The new stats on the figures probably won't be anything big. They'll probably even be weaker. Hobgoblin will still suck too. I Honestly can't understand why this made so many people angry.

[Thunderbolts]

Heh. The funny thing is, all 6 of those figures who have been remade suck anyway besides Sabretooth, and most have been downscaled to be around 33 points (hypothesis, if each 3 man team is 100 points). They'll be awful. I don't mind passing on them.

Will FIRELORD make the cut? Yeah, right.

[esfoad]

Has anyone mentioned whether or not this new expansion will take the place of the next Marvel expansion in the rotation? Or will there be a brand new Marvel expansion during the Summer too?

[Masada]

THIS IS THE P..

ahem, sorry...

Maybe this is the point in which Wizkids has decided to get the cash they can get, close up shop, and move on to the next big program. Just how convuluted do they intend to make this game?

Of course, I never got over the Indyclix rules changes. The whole game is passing me by now. I'm not going to whine and say I wish I'd never played, I had fun and I wouldn't trade that year. Heroclix introduced me to the person who is now my best friend as well as other friends. However, I just can't keep up anymore. I think I'll keep singles of each character that I like (to use as miniatures), but it's time to sell the rest of my collection. This isn't /because/ of the new announcement, it just so happens to coincide with this confusing new predicament.

[Basil Elks]

will we still be getting another expansion this year as well? I wanna see new characters more, then updates, stick the updates into the new expansions instead.

[NorthernOriole]

If we all step back and look at this from a big picture standpoint...

1) We get a new Power and Ability card with all of the Marvel updated info. (Way better and more compact than the printed 8.5x11 page.)

2) We get six "new" figures. They may actually be cool for their points.

Mosty importantly, there is a way for NEW players to pick up the game! This is great! I can buy the starter (with the compact rulebook), and not worry about the rest! Cheapest expansion/set to date!

Of course, those 2-figure packs will make drafting (using one booster) kinda no fun...

[TheBeyonder]

This just opens up the door for new stuff.

Like maybe we will eventually get clamshell sets of figures that haven't made it into the regular sets.

How about an Alpha Flight box with six Alpha Flight figures that are only available together in the set.
Or a Heroes for Hire set with four figures.
I think that would be very cool.Even if they aren't as "collectible." I mean come on its a game not a career.

I would also like to say that with all the sniveling thats been going on here lately that I love this game and appreciate Wizkids for giving it to us.

I also want to thank Draddog and all the moderators here on HCRealms for bringing us all the info and the forum to discuss it.

TheBeyonder.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
Now we hit the starter set at $12.99

Again, using simple math, 3 2 booster figures = $11.97, so the 6 figures are definately costing MORE than the other figures. Granted, they are static and have different stats, but how much greater or worse are those stats to justify the cost of getting 4 figures with stats that are just fine and 2 figures that could use some revamping and one (spider-man) that had a great revamp with Critical Mass? I mean, are there really that many Hobgobin fans out there?

Take your advice, think before you post.

Of course, if you use simple math then any starter is a waste of time. Two regular boosters ($13.90) get you the 8 figures in a starter for less than the cost of a starter ($19.95).

However, most people get starters because they're starting the game. You know, so they have rules, maps, tokens and such? In fact, Universe is a better deal for their starter than IC or HT or Indy.

[Phantom]

Aw, we needed an updated version of Wolverine and Spidey anyways. It's sad that Marvel's flagship characters have been so ignored.

[edron]

From what I get from the WK notice , it's only the six figures in the new starter that will have new stats . All the other 120 figures will have the same stats they have now . The only different will be the expansion symbol , all figure taken from IC and XP will have the new Universe symbol . I think re-do's of the old uniques would be a waste , I've seen plenty of the IC uniques for sale at prices that are a lot cheaper then buying a half dozen boosters and getting nothing . XP booster are still hanging on shelfs. One booster of XP for 4 figure is only $ 7.00 but , to get the same number of figures from Universe will cost you $ 8.00 . I'm personally don't like the idea and would rather have an all new expansion with all new characters .

[drgnoftyr]

could this be the reason why we aren't getting an indy clix expansion according to our resident boneyard... cause if it is i am real upset

[Kergillian]

One thing that people seem not to have thought of, is that *perhaps* the Universe roster will eliminate certain figs that nobody wants? I mean, we haven't even seen the set list yet - it may be that for an extra $1 per 4 figs, you can at least be sure not to get figure x which you never wanted anyhow...or which is no longer a viable figure.

Yes, I know the vice-versa of this may indeed happen as well, but somehow I think that's less likely...

Anyhow, this is no different than what M:tG did with the core set - Revised eliminated dozens of cards and included dozens from the expansions. Now it 8th ed., there are cards from every expansion.

My guess is that HeroClix will do the same thing, and rotate the core set to gradually become an amalgam of expansions and the original set. Maybe this will also eventually lead to more REVs of certain sought after uniques...?

And wouldn't it be cool to someday have a multiuniverse core set with mixed figures from Marvel/DC/Indy??


Cheers!
-Ben =)

[cjx2]

Wow, you completely missed the point Thorgrin. As I said (for those like Thorgrin) the booster are cheaper NOT the figures. Read my friend, read. I used to have a card and comic shop, kids with money (very little) will buy whatever they can afford weather it is a good deal or not.
If someo has $5 they can buy a universe booster but can they buy a regular 4 figure booster??? no. There is some VERY simple math for you.
There could also be the alterior motive of these packs and such to get into more retail outlets, not your LHS but into more retail type chains. Again, I do not think they are doing this universe for your true collectors they are using it to get NEW business.


Yes, we DO think. Do you? Ok, to break down into simple math for you.

Current Booster suggested Retail is $6.99 which includes FOUR figures.

Current 2 Booster suggested Retail is $3.99 which includes TWO figures.

So, by buying two of the 2 Booster is $7.98. That's almost a whole dollar more than buying the Four Figure box.

I won't argue that kids may not have the money to buy the 4 boosters all the time, but don't give me the line of it's cheaper, because it's not.

Now we hit the starter set at $12.99

Again, using simple math, 3 2 booster figures = $11.97, so the 6 figures are definately costing MORE than the other figures. Granted, they are static and have different stats, but how much greater or worse are those stats to justify the cost of getting 4 figures with stats that are just fine and 2 figures that could use some revamping and one (spider-man) that had a great revamp with Critical Mass? I mean, are there really that many Hobgobin fans out there?

Take your advice, think before you post.

[grey_zealot]

Kergillian: great observations.

I've been wondering for a while now if they would do a "HC 2.0" or "revised" style of change.

And anyway, the way the M-U starter is packaged -- what with that clear front piece showing popular charcters with movie-tie-in potential (I hear an Elektra movie is in the works) -- that most of these will be prominantly displayed in places like Toys 'R' Us or Wal*Mart.

(I don't know about any one else, but I buy most of my stuff and play most tourneys at my local privately owned Games/Comic shop.)

And seeing the Starters packaged the way they are gives me hope for just what someone else mentioned:

Blister-pack spific "sets" like Horoes for Hire, etc.



Originally posted by Kergillian
One thing that people seem not to have thought of, is that *perhaps* the Universe roster will eliminate certain figs that nobody wants? I mean, we haven't even seen the set list yet - it may be that for an extra $1 per 4 figs, you can at least be sure not to get figure x which you never wanted anyhow...or which is no longer a viable figure.

Yes, I know the vice-versa of this may indeed happen as well, but somehow I think that's less likely...

Anyhow, this is no different than what M:tG did with the core set - Revised eliminated dozens of cards and included dozens from the expansions. Now it 8th ed., there are cards from every expansion.

My guess is that HeroClix will do the same thing, and rotate the core set to gradually become an amalgam of expansions and the original set. Maybe this will also eventually lead to more REVs of certain sought after uniques...?

And wouldn't it be cool to someday have a multiuniverse core set with mixed figures from Marvel/DC/Indy??


Cheers!
-Ben =)

[Thanosied]

XPlosion NOT Clobberin time? Does this eem really dumb to anyone else? Why not reprint the set thats out of print? Okay well were going to see a huge escalation in Rares and nons yet again. Thanks WIZKIDS for letting $ take over GREAT JOB.

[Grappler]

Lets see now; We just had the latest Marvel set come out. DC is to be unleashed somewhere in the next few months between now and the summer. The Summer brings a lot of concentration to the Major League clixs for the Baseball season. Throw in the Galactus, and now this Marvel Universe format. For us Marvel fans, we will be lucky if the next set we see comes out before next fall if not Christmas. Somebody please tell me we will see a Marvel set before next fall.

[Deadpool91]

unleased is in march, which would make the next marvel set come out in july. at least that's what i'm thinking, cause they are 4 months apart now. not need to get worried about it not coming out till fall/winter. JULY

[I Am The Game]

Personally, I'm happy with the new starter.

A: My new players will all be up to date with the new rules.

B: As long as nothing changes, I'll be up to date with the new rules! ;)

C: Choice is good. The only thing the new monkeys want is X-Men, so a selection of IC and X-Plosion will cater to that. Obviously, new people who bought the retail packs with 2 figs didn't know who Wolfsbane and Controller were, and stopped. Seems like Wizkids is being more responsive in this circumstance, and giving people what they want.

Now, if only the premiere map was included...

[Thwap Man]

Jeez, quit griping. Wizkids is a business. They put out a lot of product, therefore they need to sell a lot of it. If IC and XP sold well, then they can make more of them and make money. If they didn't sell well, then Wizkids can get rid of excess inventory. Wizkids will do everything they can to make people happy, but only because they get money as well. That's how business works. If you want to start a business that thinks about the consumers first and profits second, go ahead. I've seen those businesses start. They've all gone down within 18 months. Quit griping. If you can make a better game, go do it. If you are unhappy with the way Wizkids is doing things and can think of a better, more practical way to do it, then write them a letter instead of #####ing to whoever wants to read it here. If you don't want to buy it, no one's making you. In fact, if your sentiments are shared with enough people, then there won't be any demand and Wizkids will be forced to try it a different way. If you write that letter, maybe it'll even be your way. If you don't buy it and this expansion is still successful, then Wizkids was right that enough people would be interested. It's business, get used to it.


PS AHHH! It's Chronicles with figures!

[Kergillian]

Originally posted by Thwap Man
Jeez, quit griping. Wizkids is a business. They put out a lot of product, therefore they need to sell a lot of it. If IC and XP sold well, then they can make more of them and make money. If they didn't sell well, then Wizkids can get rid of excess inventory. Wizkids will do everything they can to make people happy, but only because they get money as well. That's how business works. If you want to start a business that thinks about the consumers first and profits second, go ahead. I've seen those businesses start. They've all gone down within 18 months. Quit griping. If you can make a better game, go do it. If you are unhappy with the way Wizkids is doing things and can think of a better, more practical way to do it, then write them a letter instead of #####ing to whoever wants to read it here. If you don't want to buy it, no one's making you. In fact, if your sentiments are shared with enough people, then there won't be any demand and Wizkids will be forced to try it a different way. If you write that letter, maybe it'll even be your way. If you don't buy it and this expansion is still successful, then Wizkids was right that enough people would be interested. It's business, get used to it.


PS AHHH! It's Chronicles with figures!


Let people gripe if they want! These forums are for conversation & debate, compliments complaints and criticism all fall under those categories;) Not everyone is gonna like everything, and they should all be allowed to voice that they love/hate it.

It just occured to me that the 2 fig booster is bound to be more expensive per fig due to the retail rule of the more you buy the less it costs. Starters fall out of this reasoning only because they come with extras - maps, ring, dice, tokens, etc, which make up the difference.

As for the IC/XP over CT questioning, the 2 reasons I've heard which make the most sense are:

1) the popularity of X-men over FF. Granted CT apparently sold the best of the three sets, but that was first and foremost because of Nightcrawler. Per figure, I think that new players (and remember that Universe is GEARED TOWARDS NEW PLAYERS) will prefer IC and CT figs if you look at them clix by clix.

and 2) Because they only just recently announced the big OOP on CT, and want to wait awhile before they bring back the CT figs. Whether CT will be re-released, or whether they'll make the next incarnation of Universe, you can bet you'll see CT figs again...

So why not all 3? Simple, too many #### figs. It was probably hard enough to cull two sets down into a new core set, to cull three would have been beyond difficult.

And I wouldn't compare this to chronicles - Chronicles was a reprint set ONLY from expansions, and only cards that had never been reprinted before. Plus it covered 4 exxpansions (Arabian, Antiquities, Legends, Dark).

This is more like Revised, which incorporated cards from Arabian and Antiquities into the core set at the expense of certain core cards - generally cards that were deemed irrelevant/unplayable or that were deemed broken/too powerful.

We don't have a spoiler yet, but I bet this will be the exact same thing - characters that are deemed no longer playable will probably get the axe. I also wonder whether the characters that have been redone will be available or not. For example, with a Spidey in the starter, and another in CM, will they have an REV spidey in Universe? Or a unique - and if so, which one? They certainly won't have 2 elektras and 2 daredevils (please, god, tell me they wouldn't dare!) and I'm sure some of the generics will go.

Will they keep Firelord? That would be the one true shame of the set, if they removed him...

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[Kergillian]

oh, and any business that puts profits ahead of customers is a foolish business, and likely to fail within a short time. Hard to make a profit with no customers;)

Any good businessperson knows that the true way of business is to use your customers to get ou those profits - the more you make the customer believe that you're doing everything with him/her in mind, the more they'll trust and appreciate you, and the more often they'll come back to do business with you.

And any intelligant businessperson will walk an extra mile and even take a loss for the sake of making a good customer happy. Because they know that customer will remember you for it and will likely come back and spend twice as much knowing that you'll sacrifice for them.

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
Well, I'm sure thay made the updated stats so there could be even 100 point teams included.



Does 1 action a turn suck (even when first learning a game), or is it just me?

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Deadpool91
unleased is in march, which would make the next marvel set come out in july. at least that's what i'm thinking, cause they are 4 months apart now. not need to get worried about it not coming out till fall/winter. JULY

Don't forget that WK promised a slow down between HC releases after Unleashed (to give our wallets a break)...

[cpt_kirstov]

people are missing the best reason for people to buy the new versions of starters! so it's easier to capture the new weaker wolverine and sabertooth! especially if galactius can capture! just think the wolverine coming on it's first and only click worth useing to try to BCF galactus, and he just scoops wolvie up like a lizard!

[Frongoid]

Originally posted by GroovyBoy
Does 1 action a turn suck (even when first learning a game), or is it just me? It's just you. A 100 point game can be a lot of fun. Some powers/team abilities become more attractive, while some get worse (MoE and SHIELD in particular). Anything that makes you play the game differently than you're used to can make it more challenging and fun.

[GroovyBoy]

...man, I forgot how attractive the MoE TA was at 300, 400, and 500 points!

[warden]

The new starter reminds me of the Premier edition - it's the same characters. That had two fixed 200 point teams. Presumably the teams in this one will be:

Spiderman, Wolverine, Wasp vs Hobgoblin, Elektra, Sabretooth

Note that Elektra seems to have changed sides - she was on the good team in the Premier set.

I don't think this set is Powerbomb though. Wasn't that going to be a single figure in a plastic "bomb"? That sounded like a reasonable idea. Maybe it got cut when things started to go sour at Wizkids.

Andrew

[Draggor]

I like the look of these. You can only explain to new players that the rule book they just got isn't the legal one so many times. Having 6 mainstream characters will help sales too. I'm just curious which figures made the cut. I need half a dozen of Infinity. If all those pieces are in universe I'd wait because it will be easier to pull them out of a smaller set.
My thoughts on what characters will be culled and why-
firstly it sounds like the only versions of Wolverine etc are those in the starter pack. No need to include four of them and allows the option to redo them, especially as it will contain unique versions of 4 of them.
Obsolete
characters who've been rendered obsolete will probably be left out. There probably won't be any daredevils or elektras for instance as you can get them in Critical Mass. I was hoping Cap would get left out so they'd have an excuse to make a new one. Most/all of the generics will go. This will again encourage new players if they know they'll get two heroes or villians per booster, not just a shield guy. Other characters like Puppetmaster, Wolfsbane, Meltdown will probably miss the cut due to low name value and low usefullness

Game Balance
I wouldn't be too shocked to see the most complained about pieces get left out. What's the best way to balance the game? Leave the most offending or cheesy pieces out so new players don't get them. Means longer term players have some advantages but the nastiest pieces disappear over time as the oldest players leave or turn to new figures. So probably no Firelord, Black Panther, Con Artist, Paramedic, maybe even Boomerang because he loses out due to low profile and potential abuse.

These are my hunches anyway. They've had to cut 246 down to 126 so expect to see plenty of characters not included. I'd expect only the biggest names and those with mainstream exposure to be included. Gamers go for the exisiting boosters, new people who are playing because they like the characters go for the Universe ones where they're sure to pull a figure they know.

[drgnoftyr]

if they were gonna put this out again even for the new people why only do 6 new stats that kinda seems well ehh to me this woulda been the perfect set to well fix what some called broken....... but 1 starter for me and i will pass the rest to the newbies

[TheRoadDogg]

Originally posted by Masada
This isn't /because/ of the new announcement, it just so happens to coincide with this confusing new predicament.

People, I don't see what y'all don't get here......they redid 6 figures from the original IC set to make 2 300-point teams so new players could get into the game by purchasing a single product (Magic the Gathering did this before as well, to help drum up more business). I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that these 6 "updated" figures are slightly watered-down versions of the originals, since I figure that 3 of the 6 will go on one team, and the other three will go on the other. The rest of the set is a mix of IC and XP figs that are EXACTLY THE SAME, STATS-WISE AND SCULPT-WISE, as the ones you have now (if you own any)....the subtle difference being the different "set" symbol on the base. And they threw in an updated PAC card and a rule book that, more than likely, includes the overhauls made from Indy, and a map from one of the previous indoor/outdoor adventure packs. AND THAT'S IT. The boosters for this set will not have ALL of the figures from IC, and it won't have ALL of the figures from XP, just a select few from each set, so if you already own all of IC and XP, "PASS" ON BUYING THE BOOSTERS FOR THIS SET! The only thing of appeal to you would be the updated 6 figures in the starter set, because those are the only figures that they've updated. Sure, the updated figs may actually be weaker than the originals, but they'll be tourney legal to use as possible cheaper versions of the originals.

[I Am The Game]

Originally posted by Draggor
I was hoping Cap would get left out so they'd have an excuse to make a new one. Most/all of the generics will go. This will again encourage new players if they know they'll get two heroes or villians per booster, not just a shield guy.

Cap's on the picture of the display, so no luck. I'd be inclined to agree with you, but his comic is worse than his 'clix, that needs fixing first!

Xplosion had the best generics... Ninjas and the SWAT Specialist. I don't think the kids would mind a few. However, if the new trend continues, don't expect to see any medics.

I don't see a problem with dropping the Spidey, Wolverine, and Wasp as R/E/V figs, they all exist as IC uniques, and will be represented.

[Noman]

This is just a knee jerk reaction (click; oww... !! ) I know, but...
WHAT THE HECK IS THIS FOR ???

I get the point (I suppose) of the 6 figure starter pack with the altered stats - although the figures should have had different ring colours (green ? ) to differentiate them from the REV versions - but 2 figure boosters ? And of
bog-standard REV figures that have been out for ages ??? I repeat - what is this FOR ?

Assumedly, If the figures are identical as sculpts to the earlier versions, we arn't even gettin (eg) Electra in White or Wolverine in the Fang costume or a variant colour scheme on Wasp (goodness knows there are enough to choose from) - and if there is an actual "expansion" symbol on the base, then that mangles the secondary market, values per figure etc etc.

We COULD have had at least more variation than just here are 6 variants of common figures with an identical sculpt to the previous version, and 100 odd characters that are absolutely identical in every respect to what is already on sale appart from a variant expansion marker !!!

OK - it may be an attempt to drag in more "Timmys" - but I suspect that most of the "potential newbies" have friends / brothers / sisters / parents etc etc who already have spares boxes FULL of these figs. They won't have any trouble getting started...

...and I certainly feel that the resources / packaging / manpower / planning and sales team time could have been better spent on producing sculpts, paint jobs, variants, or bases that WE DON'T HAVE YET...

Rant Mode Off.

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Thwap Man]

Kergillian, point taken, but as for the businesses, I still think I'm right. While I may be wrong (and I wish it was so), the businesses that go the extra mile and take a loss usually do so too often. Some of the things you said I agree with and there was misinterpretation. When I say a business that puts profits above customers, I don't mean a strictly monry-grubbing business. A good way to make money is to keep consumers happy. Wizkids tries that with much of what they do, but with the motive of making money. That's what I mean by profits above customers.
As for griping, I reiterate, point taken. However, I believe people could do their venting in a more constructive way. But people shouldn't give up the game because their false illusions that a company cares about them as people and not consumers has been shattered.

[praxismmii]

I think so of you guys are missing the point, this has nothing to do with those of us who have been playing for a while. This is about creating an updated starter set for those who have never played. Not only that, but the reason they've changed the starter and boosters is not to cater to us, who go to the local comic shop or hobby store, it's about creating a mass market for the game. A starter for $12.95 and a booster for $3.99, that is something a parent can justify spending when they're at target or Walmart or a Barnes and Noble. Wizkids is trying to compete with Magic and Yu-gi-oh. There are less figures in the booster but it's not as big of an investment. We shouldn't complain, nor should we even care, this whole thing was not directed at us in any way shape or form. I feel like a lot of people are taking this personally, "Wizkids should have done this, this and this, they screwed us and are wasting our time blah blah blah." I would agree if it was meant to be for us, but it's not, this is so wizkids can get some distribution in larger venues like B&N and Target etc. It's just like Marvel increasing their volume of TPBs so they could get more of them into Walden's and B&N. They're not targeting people who know where to get them already, they're targeting people who have never played a wargame or been to a comic shop. If anything I applaud Wizkids for trying to cater to a greater market and their attempt to compete with some of the more "mainstream" games. Hell, why should we complain, if anything this means there will be more players our there for us to compete with and hopefully lengthen the longevity of the game.

[My-Evil-Twin]

Hey, I can at least FINALLY get a spider-man. :grin:

And I think that it's odd that there's no Clobberin' Time. :ermm:

[drgnoftyr]

Originally posted by My-Evil-Twin
Hey, I can at least FINALLY get a spider-man. :grin:

And I think that it's odd that there's no Clobberin' Time. :ermm:

no clobbering time because it's outta production xp is still around so we get more :ermm:

[Kergillian]

Originally posted by Thwap Man
Kergillian, point taken, but as for the businesses, I still think I'm right. While I may be wrong (and I wish it was so), the businesses that go the extra mile and take a loss usually do so too often. Some of the things you said I agree with and there was misinterpretation. When I say a business that puts profits above customers, I don't mean a strictly monry-grubbing business. A good way to make money is to keep consumers happy. Wizkids tries that with much of what they do, but with the motive of making money. That's what I mean by profits above customers.
As for griping, I reiterate, point taken. However, I believe people could do their venting in a more constructive way. But people shouldn't give up the game because their false illusions that a company cares about them as people and not consumers has been shattered.

Thwap: When you put it this way, you're right on both counts.

Yes, WK is of course a business, and therefore wants to make money. I do, however, think that a domino effect is likely if they do it correctly - cheap product in more and accessible locations means wider interest and larger audience equals bigger fanbase equals more money, more sets, more clix and bigger, better things to come!

So, you're right that people are a little unrealistic in their expectations at times (and that constructive criticism is better than bitter complaints and quitting). People have to realize that not everything that WK does is geared for each individual player, and that you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Let WK expand the market and pull in more players! In the end, we win out!

Now, if WK would just mass-market the bloody Galactus, I'd be a truly happy Kergillian...


Cheers!
-Ben =)

[Thwap Man]

I should re-read things I write to make sure that I'm not leaving out the connections and implications that I'm just making in my head. It'd make everything so much clearer for other people.

Cheers!
-Neil=)

[nutcase652000]

Couple of things that strike me,...

1st for the good: This is a pretty good way to draw in the "Timmys" as someone put it. (I dont remember who, but that was funny)

it brings up worries also. Several people have mentioned the "wizkids is a buisiness" line. They are. And one thing all high volume buisinesses have are bean counters. One of the things that 'could' happen is that everyone, new player and old' will grab the starter sets for the re-done figures. The bean counters WILL get all excited about the revenue this generates and run to their supervisors who will run to their bosses who will run to their VP's with the numbers, and before you know it, ALL the sets get revamped. They will figure that all as collecters won't be able to control ourselves. Buisinesses SHOULD be looking to satisfy their customers, but everyone who is being honest and realistic knows, their main purpose is to generate profit. If the see re-releases as a possible profit pony. YOU CAN BET IT WILL HAPPEN. I can see it is MAINLY meant to draw new players. But the company is counting on catching many of us also.
Some collectors will be able to keep paying for re-releases, but I fear this may run some off. It worries me just a teensie bit.

[Badnews]

So from a collector's standpoint, does this mean that the Xplosion set is unlimited too? And thus, like IC, all of the figures supposed market values will begin to drop? And why Xplosion instead of Clobberin Time? What's the point in collecting sets if at any time Wizkids could go and make them unlimited and virtually worthless from a collecting perspective?

Please don't respond with some righteous #### about how people should only collect for the love of the game and not for money, which while it is an admirable opinion, why opt for one or the other when you can have both.

[Kergillian]

nutcase652000: I will give WK enough mental credit to assume that they likely revamped the starter figs on purpose to TRY and draw older players into buying them. I'd bet that they're expecting a high initial sales volume to those who want the new rule book and the revamped figs.

There's a reason that the only figs that are altered are all in the starter, and that all of the figs in the starter are altered.

Badnews: 3 things:

1) Since IC and XP are bnoth still readily available, how would this affect prices? In fact, from a collector's standpoint, wouldn't you RATHER Universe contain the sets already in production? If CT were now reprinted, with it being OOP and all, THAT would drive prices down for those hard to find figs.

2) If only part of the sets are reptinted into the UNiverse sets, this also makes certain figures more desirable, because you know you won't be able to get them any more. So that when IC goes OOP or XP goes OOP, half, if not more, of the figs are now impossible to buy in the core set, and therefore worth more. This will be especially so with the uniques.

A core set makes earlier sets more desirable for collectors.

3) Look at Magic: the Gathering. When they put out revised, Beta went through the roof. Cards like Raging River, which isn't even that good, are worth a ton. *COMMONS* like Sinkhole are worh $30, easily. Even False Orders will go for $5 or more.

Wait a few years. If heroclix is still popular (and I believe it will be), then that Quasar which was never reprinted (just for example, I have no way of knowing whether it will be or not) will be worth 5 times as much as the Vision that was (again, just for example...)

-grin- try and find an Arabian Nights *mountain* for under $12 and you'll understand what I mean.

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[I Am The Game]

Someone close the door, a Magic monkey got in...! :confused:

[time23]

Originally posted by Kergillian
Thwap: When you put it this way, you're right on both counts.
- cheap product in more and accessible locations means wider interest and larger audience equals bigger fanbase equals more money, more sets, more clix and bigger, better things to come!

Let WK expand the market and pull in more players! In the end, we win out!

Now, if WK would just mass-market the bloody Galactus, I'd be a truly happy Kergillian...


Cheers!
-Ben =)

Man, you are so right. While I definitely see almost everyones point as to how this could be a bad thing, I think it has more potential to be really good for the game. Who knows, maybe Wizkids "heard" everyones complaints about the con exclusive G-Man and decided to go ahead with this in order to generate enough revenue to mass produce the all-mighty Galactus. (I know, I know thats wishful thinking considering theres been 2 fig booster rumors around for a while. In truth I'm just still in denial about the whole con exclusive Galactus thing.;) )

[Chiisai]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but I swear I've already seen the two figure boxes. My friend pointed them out at a Target. It was the weirdest thing.
(Of course, there were also Creepy Freaks gathering dust, too.)

[Kergillian]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
Someone close the door, a Magic monkey got in...! :confused:

-grin- I don't actully play Magic any more, fellow primate,though I kept my decks and have a fondness for Type 1.

Of course, if you can think of a better parallel, please go ahead and share!

Always glad to be of service to the intolerant and the xenophobes! ;)

Cheers!
-Ben =)

[FireLFighter]

And yes, the figs will definately have their own set-symbol.
Try to save that galaxy like symbol on http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/products.asp?cid=38734 and check out it's name!

[Angafea]

Maybe all the new figures have a different colored base, like they did with Mage Knight Unlimited. That would keep all the figures from X-plosion and IC limited while allowing them to release them again. Magic does this too all the time.

All in all it sounds great for me. I just hope Wizzys reconsiders and adds a brand new map to the starter. We can never have enough maps.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by GroovyBoy
Does 1 action a turn suck (even when first learning a game), or is it just me?

It might, but consider this:

Wasp will almost certainly be an Avenger. So, she can move for free, giving her team an extra action a turn. And if she has Leadership, she could grant her team an extra action.

Spider-Man could possibly be on the Spider-Man team (but probably won't be), allowing him to mimic Wasp's free movement.

So, the hero team could possibly get three actions a turn. Four, with Leadership, but they only have three characters, so they'll be stuck with three.

Meanwhile, the villains have Sabertooth, who might be a Brotherhood member, giving the villains a chance to have an extra action each turn.

[FireLFighter]

Originally posted by Angafea
All in all it sounds great for me. I just hope Wizzys reconsiders and adds a brand new map to the starter. We can never have enough maps.
Hope so too...

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by FireLFighter
Hope so too...
I found that even when teaching the game, 100 points, 1 action per turn is only good for the learner's very first game. After that, 100 points, 1 action per turn is underwhelming, even for newbies.

[HC_Insomniac]

And thenafter that first game you can go out and buy more figures....

If it keeps the game alive by introducing new players surely thats a good thing? And if they focus on characters with movie tie-ins and that brings new players to the game, is n't that a good thing?

I for one would never have played Heroclix if it was n't for the X-Men movies.

Cheers

James

[bullseye100]

Taken from wizkids website!!!!...


Game Features
Marvel HeroClix Universe starters contain an updated Marvel HeroClix rule book and Powers and ability card. The figures included in the Universe starter are predesigned to create two 100 point teams, perfect for quick play! The figures in this set have a new expansion symbol. The other 120 figures in this set contain the same stats as their Infinity Challenge and Xplosion counterparts.

[_Zap_]

Originally posted by Badnews
So from a collector's standpoint, does this mean that the Xplosion set is unlimited too? And thus, like IC, all of the figures supposed market values will begin to drop? And why Xplosion instead of Clobberin Time? What's the point in collecting sets if at any time Wizkids could go and make them unlimited and virtually worthless from a collecting perspective?


Xplosion was ALREADY pretty worthless. There weren't any highly sought after uniques in that set that I can think of. The reprinting won't hurt it at all(especially because it's still so easy to find Xplosion boosters). They didn't choose Clobberin Time because, unlike Xplosion, it had some very sought after uniques. Like nightcrawler. His value would drop a lot if he was reprinted. I doubt any unique in Xplosion will drop because of this.

[Charles]

O.k. let me try to work this out.

The starter set is fine, it gives us an updated PAC and rule book. Some might want the updated figures so that's good too, however the 2 figure boosters don't make sense to me. If it's about having a cheaper booster option for the soccer moms out there then why not just start producing 2 figure IC and XP booster boxes? The figures in the booster won't be any different then the ones already out there so why go through all the trouble of coming up and marketing a whole new name. There's no reason for it, unless they are hoping that the die hard collectors out there that must have every single thing pertaining to Heroclix will go out and buy up the 2 figure boosters so they can get the exact same figures but with an added swirl around the set symbol. There's no need for all this Universe stuff, it serves no purpose. I say keep the new starter that's fine but lose the Universe 2 figure boosters and replace them with 2 figure IC & XP boosters. Everything will still be the same except there's no little swirl around the IC & XP set symbol. Plus you won't get the complaints and boycotts that are sure to follow because thier favorite figures didn't make the revamped cut.

But then again I'm not a marketing wiz nor do I work for Wizkids so I'm sure there might be some ulterior motive behind all of this. All I'm saying is they could have handled all this in a less convuluted way.

[quixotequest]

Originally posted by _Zap_
Xplosion was ALREADY pretty worthless. There weren't any highly sought after uniques in that set that I can think of. The reprinting won't hurt it at all(especially because it's still so easy to find Xplosion boosters). They didn't choose Clobberin Time because, unlike Xplosion, it had some very sought after uniques. Like nightcrawler. His value would drop a lot if he was reprinted. I doubt any unique in Xplosion will drop because of this.

It was very difficult for me to acquire my Sauron and XP Spidey via trades. In addition the Savage Hulk and Green Goblin were extremely popular for a while. After the new rules came out Deathbird took a big spike in popularity. I got some great trades for my extra Apocalypses and Phoenixes. Sure, XP may not have an equivalent of Nightcrawler or Silver Surfer (thank God!) but it had some very cool uniques.

Thankfully, once one set passes the torch for another many prices drop on former stars of the collecting circuit. That's great for the patient collector.

[Basil Elks]

Do you think that since they're reissuing the first,& the third set that we'll finally see a non flying rookie Rogue, a flying Jean Grey, Boomerang, Controller, & Whirlwind?

[newbrains]

Boy, Wizkids is doing a lot more wrong than right nowadays.

New Spider Man, Wolverine, Elektra stats - WHO CARES! They've made a zillion versions of these figures as it is. I've got a pile of Elektras I never use. What a waste of plastic. Who ever decided that Elektra and Daredevil were popular - Yawn. The figures that should be remade - Captain America, Vision, etc. I guess are going to be churned out with their cruddy old stats.

I guess this means a new expansion will be put off for months. They must be working on worthless crud like Indy Clix or Sportsclix.

I'm still not over the horrendous paint jobs on a good 1/3+ of the Critical Mass figures. You know, if they wanted to do things right, they would've rushed the heck out with a new Marvel set that was produced competently to quickly put that car wreck out of the heads of fans who are wondering whether to get out of Marvel clix or not.

Other than Galactus - nice idea, hope he's well done - they sure could've done better with the other convention LEs. Surfer? - What's that? A slight fix to the underpowered Surfer we got in CM? An Invisible Girl Who Looks Like Ant Man? Where did THAT retread come from? You want to get people excited? Put out another herald.

To summarize: Fix the popular characters that need fixing (Cap, Vision), Get out figures that have been asked for (Subby), Fix the painting fiasco, Get a REAL expansion out.

[Charles]

Originally posted by newbrains
They must be working on worthless crud like Indy Clix or Sportsclix.

Hold up there pilgrim, there's nothing wrong with Indy Clix. I like them, alot of other people like them too. I understand you're upset but leave Indy out of it. I agree with you on the Sports Clix though.

VIVA LA INDY CLIX!!!

[brendanbrown]

is it just me, or is prof x's base a different color than it was in IC, mine is a very dark green, and it blended in with the black ones from a distance, this one seems to be a lot lighter, almost like the fantastic/doom dial, does this indicate that they are changing the colors for the bases, and possibly the stats as well? ps i cant find the portion where it talks about only those six being changed

[brendanbrown]

sorry, found it, i am kind of peeved that they didnt have cap, magneto, or firelord revamped though... oh well

[Basil Elks]

Do you think that Scorpion will finally get a sinister syndicate logo, if he's in the reissued set?

[newbrains]

I think WK are both lazy and stupid not to update more figures' stats. The game has evolved a lot since IC. Why not take the opportunity to fix some of those figures, to bring them in line? Now, they'll just inject a bunch of out-of-line old figures back in.

I say stupid because they might actually get many of us to buy/collect most of this new set, even with sculpts we already have, if they just bothered to redo the stats. Wouldn't be too much of a hassle or a cost for WK to make their clamoring customers happier and to sell A LOT more figures.

Myopic.

They could make us happy and make more money themselves, but no.

[DoomsDay74]

Does anybody know for sure if uniques are included from the old sets in these new boosters ???