Can someone explain Doop?

[Spidertrav]

Okay, so i'm a big marvel fan, but I don't have many (if any) X-Statix comics. Yesterday I read on a toy site, that Doop is the most powerful character in the Marvel U. I always thought he was cool, but powerful? What is his power (other than baby potato imitation)? What does he do? Is he a normal human baby turned mutant? Is he actually more powerful than Silver Surfer and Thor?

[Lofcutus]

Originally posted by Spidertrav
Can someone explain Doop?

I don't think they can...he looks like a rotten twinkee with arms!!!

Death to doop and all he/it stands for!

[Supes]

All I know is Wizard magazine loves him and says he is the most powerful. Me? I don't care. For all that people say that Marvel is more realistic than DC I don't see DC swimming with cosmic powered people that could all destroy the universe. I mean come on.

"Yes I know they have the GL corps but now not really and the Guardians kept them in check. Silver Surfer's leash isn't that tight."

[Searn]

Marvel being realistic in the way that there are more relatable issues that the reader can identify with, not that there are toned down powers and personalities. I mean come on, super powers in any fashion are not realistic.

X-Men= human rights movement.

The stuff spider-man has to go through with his dual identity is more than what superman ever had to go through. And superman is completely unrelatable to anybody on the planet, the only people the Clark Kent side can appeal to is other Pulitzer Prize winning journalists that live in some posh upscale New York City apaartment that don't bat an eyelash when they're told their wife is dead.

There are more human stories within the marvel U then there are in DC. The psychology of the HUlk, the fact that Silver Surfer got these powers because he sacrificed himself to save the planet. Besides you can't take the Space Opera of the Marvel U and have it be part and parcel with the normal continuity. Because that's what it is, Space Opera, it was the one place where they let go of all pretenses and went all whacky.

Phoenix shows the shadow side that all people have inside of them and the consequences of having that shadow released with such power.

DC has some very interesting character portraits, and up until very recently they are making their characters human.

I can't wait for Chuck Austen to take over Action Comics in April because he's going to make Supes a real character again. It's a good thing compared to when you strangle a character with licensing, that's when we get Superman not blinking an eye when they tell him his wife's dead...

Sorry, don't know much on Doop.

[Canada Maestro]

From what I know of Doop:
Doop is a joke (as in the character was created to be funny, not as in he's not powerful). He's just the standard "oh, he may look like a useless stubby pickle but in reality he's so powerful that we can't even tell you how powerful he really is" character. Some people find it funny, I kinda find it pointless.

[Supes]

As much as I dislike going off topic....

How can you say DC isn't realistic with characters?

Every single Batman villian (practically) is very realistic and rather psychological. As is Batman himself.

Clark Kent is realistic in the fact that he had to work hard to make it in the world outside of his Superman life. You shouldn't confuse current Clark with Golden Age Clark. He is hard to relate to for non-teenagers because he is 30 something and married. The older I get the more I understand him. The problem with Superman is writers keep coming in and screwing with him.... and how many times has Lois died and he didn't bat an eye? Come on. I've seen him practically kill each and every person that "cross the line" as far as Lois was concerned.

X-men are mutants.... DC has Metas ... same thing happens only in DC is it more realistic. Why? Do you see people lynching anybody anymore? Is there this massive racist and bigotry that is accepted now a days? No. Not really. People that do are taken down by the law as well. Which is why DC is more realistic with this whole mutant/meta thing. People still have a bit of a worry about it, some people accept it, others don't like it. But it is more of a general... that's the way life is now. Much more current to today's attitudes.

In the real world if Nightcrawler actually existed ... he would currently be able to walk down the street and while he would get weird looks he wouldn't exactly get beaten and shot up all the time. X-men struck a chord in the 80's but this is the new millenium. They have got to move on.

As my wife put it: "I don't like X-men because half the time they are fighting each other or fighting the world who hates them. They aren't really heros are they? They don't really stop crimes or help anybody except themselves (mutants) it gets old."

[Supes]

I now put on my asbestos suit to avoid the flaming as I have done the unthinkable and said I don't like the current X-men titles.

I do like the Ultimate X-men though. Quite a bit more realistic.

[Spidertrav]

Well, I still don't know anything about Doop, but I gotta defend Marvel.

Marvel is more realistic in that it's heroes are ordinary people put in extraordinary situations that make them have to be heroes. Spider-Man is driven by guilt and responsibility. The X-Men deal with racisim that's exaggerated from our world, but still a direct reflection of it. Hulk strives to find stylish pants with an elastic wasteline.

DC on the other hand, is full of characters who are more than human, and pretend to be human. Superman is an all-powerful alien who puts on glasses and tries to act like a human. Batman just has the incredible luck to be the wealthiest person in the world, good looking, brilliant, and a master of acrobatics. Wonder Woman....has a um....lasso?....that glows?

My point is, Marvel's heroes are more human, and thus more realistic. And there's a lot less "underpants on the outside" going on in the Marvel U.

And...oh, yeah. Does anyone actually know anything about Doop? I'm still wondering.

[DreadDormammu]

A) All the Marvel is more realistic stuff goes out the window in the modern era. Marvel comics were more "human" in the 60s and 70s, but that is long gone now.

B) In the comics Doop does not demonstrate any real powers other than magically producing cameras. I think he is funny, but mostly because he is so odd and they never address "why is he here?" They just act like you already know. Also, I love the joke where Doops says something in his alien language and all the characters crack up... again some joke the readers will never know.

[Searn]

Right, they protect other mutants because all the "normals" hate mutants, they are a civil rights organization. Here is the allegory

Prof. X; Martin Luthor King Jr.

Magneto; Malcolm X

Yes I understand that the X-men are violent, but that's not their overall goal.

Then, when was the last time I saw Superman, or any other big name hero getting trounced for being different? The attitude of each universe is polar to the other. DC loves their mutants, Marvel does not like theirs.

This was even brought up in the JLA/Avengers cross over series, the Avengers couldn't understand how the DC world loved their heroes and weren't calling for their heads. The only time that has ever happened is in Dark Knight Strikes Back, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, and the last issue of Dark Knight Returns.

Right Batman and his rogues gallery are pretty realistic, if you look at it anyway, Batman is the closest thing to a Marvel character that DC has. Man, this is turning into a Republican/democrat debate. You're just siding with DC cause you've got DC all through your life, and don't look much to the other end for decent story just cause it's Marvel.

And yes X-Men have changed, that's why it's called Ultimate X-Men. It is more plausible, I don't know about realistic. I think it's more fantastic than the core universe (discounting the space stuff). The main problem with DC is the licensing that they get caught up in. That's why Supes is unrelatable, he doesn't act human, and Chuck Austen is the only guy so far to do that. Look at the Metropolis series, look at the filler issues he did back a year or two ago, sorry I don't have them on hand to give you the numbers.

And I am only talking about the current Superman, Golden Age doesn't count because it's not relevant. Only in the fact that Action Comics back then made him human. He's not tangible or human in the least right now. I mean honestly, that's the problem with the licensing, they make the writers make him this cold unplacable god hovering above the masses, not really the outcome for a boy raised by mid-western farmers is it?

Certainly the new guard of DC heroes are becoming more realistic. And look at what Marvel did for the comic industry in the first place, it brought out real life issues that people could relate to. Nuclear threat, different people. Look at God Loves, Man kills, sure the dialogue and thought bubbles climb right up my but, because they're horrid, but look at the plot and the themes. The closest thing DC did was Kingdom Come, and that's an Elseworlds, not a part of DC continuity.

The point is, you can't say DC is more realistic because it isn't, sure there are more human vigilante types, but that doesn't mean it's more realistic. Look at the facts and hey, the thruth will set you free. Again, step outside of the whole dem/rep debate. I like both companies, DC more recently has gotten more of my money, but that's because they have more writers that I like. I think you're just arguing a writer issue, and not a company issue.

Also, look at Supreme Power by Straczynski, under the Marvel Max Line for a realistic interpretation of Superman, that's a Marvel series that'll rock your world. check out www.allnerdrevue.com (http://www.allnerdrevue.com) for the review of the first three issues. It's on the bottom third of the main page, and check out the other reveiws too (no, this isn't my site).

[PMMJ]

Originally posted by Spidertrav
Batman just has the incredible luck to be the wealthiest person in the world, good looking, brilliant, and a master of acrobatics
Every bit as realistic as Wolverine, you know. :}

I think Marvel and DC are equally realistic at this point. It's the writers that matter, not the universe anymore. Sure, Superman used to turn the world backwards to turn back time. And X-Men used to be a big statement on racism. But both of those days have long passed, and you can now find very important statements on being a human in the modern world in Superman, while you've got plenty of *teams* of X-men (how many mutants are there on Earth?) with their 'underwear on the outside' fighting cosmic battles.

So, yeah. They're the same now, just find writers you like and read their stuff.

[freakazoid_x]

Someone told me Doop was one of Galactus's Turds. Seriously, is this true? If it is... well yeah, Doop needs to go bye bye.

I only have one thing with Doop in it. It was a WOlverine/Doop comic and I only bought one issue because it showed WOlverine popping E and talking about how he made it a regular habit. Forstly if Wolvie did any drugs other than booze, he wouldn't do some girly drug like E.

Anyway, Doop needs to go. As do the people who gave birth to him.

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by freakazoid_x
Anyway, Doop needs to go. As do the people who gave birth to him. Maybe you should stick to standard comics. There's nothing wrong with new comic ideas: X-Statix is a fabulous comic book.

[TechLee]

God, you mean they still print that X-Statix carp? Bleh.

[Supes]

Main problem with Dc is licensing?

And what would you call the holy butt load of Marvel movies and merchandise I see everywhere? Bah.

Look simply put I collect both universes pretty much down the middle. Supreme Power is great but only because they set it in a completely real Earth. Not the Marvel U.

And for the record... when was it ever a good idea to debate an issue unless you have a good knowledge of both sides? I have been reading Marvel and DC for most of my life and you on the other hand seem to not read much DC at all. Or you would know that JLA had a 3 part story recently that dealth with the government's dealing with a "meta/mutant" cult. And by recent I mean within a year ago.

It's all about the writer. Supreme Power is good now but if it were to continue for 60 and have a hundred different writers he would probably look a whole lot like Superman does. So basically just because you can't "think" of a DC character that does what a Marvel character does... doesn't mean they don't exist. There is pretty much a foil for every character in either universe. Heck DC even has it's own Galactus (Imperix)

[Supes]

Again so far off topic. It looks like the answer is the Doop is Doop and you have to deal. for now he can do pretty much anything just currently doesn't want to do anything.

[Searn]

Oh, I know about the JLA arc, I happen to own the issues... that has the government hunting the meta-cult, which was just a setup to begin with and not an agenda within the norms of the government.....
That's why I also said it only applied to the big heroes, not all of the heroes in the universe, because I know that DC's bent on this whole issue is that it applies to the lesser known characters.

About licensing, you misunderstand the usage. By licensing I am talking about how the character is portrayed in whatever it is licensed in. You license out products under conditions that a character will be portrayed a certain way. This is what is restricting Superman all around. The big-wigs have him only be portrayed as the untouchable god of the DCU. That's all they ever let him be licensed as, because they feel that if he is portrayed in any other way then he'll be tarnished in some way.

Licensing isn't simply selling as much of a product as possible. I think the only thing that Marvel screwed up on recently is Daredevil, the rest of the films released so far are top bar, yes even Hulk, people just have to understand subtlety and a slower pace than just the typical action film. I swear...some people.

And I did state that I collect more DC than Marvel at the moment. What I was stating was that it is a writer issue, Winick just made Metamorpho and the dupe very human.

Besides the issue that I'm arguing is that the blanket understanding that one is more realistic over the other is not something to be based off of generalities like you made it sound in your original post. I say that Marvel is because I go on a title by title basis. And if you look at "realistic" issues in JLA they deal only with issues on the global scale, not the personal, case in point the meta-cult one.

And I stated previously, the attitude of each universe belay the idea of realism. Marvel normals hunt their mutants, while the majority of normals in DCU praise them. Trust me without comics if you got wind of someone like superman in this real world you'd be peeing yourself hoping the government would take him down before he destroyed the planet. That's realism.

And I suggest that you look at my second post again, I did say that I collect more DC, I said the personal stories only apply to characters other then the powerhouse icons of DC ie, Supes, Bats, Wonder Woman.

And remember, licensing is not simply making as many by-products of a single commodity as you can.

And even your signature points to your dismay (as comedic as it may be) about the shortcomings of Superman and his non-human nature. Yes he would be using the x-rays at full blast with WW up there, we all know we would be doing the same thing, and it doesn't matter who you are.

And just because I don't point to specific examples, or explain my sources for you to confirm them doesn't mean I'm not knowledgable of the issues, I do know what I'm talking about, thank you.

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by Canada Maestro
From what I know of Doop:
Doop is a joke (as in the character was created to be funny, not as in he's not powerful). He's just the standard "oh, he may look like a useless stubby pickle but in reality he's so powerful that we can't even tell you how powerful he really is" character. Yes, Doop's a joke, but no, you don't get it. He's a joke at the expense of Marvel's "mysterious" characters. You know, the ones without a past, who come from nowhere but know everyone, and can fight anyone. Just to rub in that last point, Doop is apparently due to go mano a mano with Thor. My money's on the little guy.

[Spidertrav]

A Thor vs Doop battle? That would be great! I know he annoys a lot of people, but I think he's cool. I just don't know anything about him. Rotten Twinkie mutant vs God of Thunder. The implications are staggering.

[Phil Dixon]

Yeah, it's part of the forthcoming Avengers vs X-Statix miniseries. If you look inside any recent Marvel Knights title, you'll see a half-page advert showing Doop. Swinging Mjolnir.

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by Lofcutus
Death to doop and all he/it stands for!


Ultimately the blame is on Bill Jemas (In the 80's it would've been Jim Shooter :eek: )