DC Unleashed Sneak Peek - Dr. Fate! [Archive]

Draddog

03/10/2004, 13:17

<IMG SRC="/images/unleashed/un070.jpg"> <TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD ALIGN="CENTER" COLSPAN="3">Doctor Fate Sculpted by: James Van Schaik Painted by: Ben Saunders</TD></TR><TR><TD>Unit Num: 070</TD><TD>Point Cost: 85</TD><TD>Team: None</TD></TR><TR><TD>Unit Num: 071</TD><TD>Point Cost: 113</TD><TD>Team: Justice Society</TD></TR><TR><TD>Unit Num: 051</TD><TD>Point Cost: 155</TD><TD>Team: Mystics</TD></TR></TABLE>Design Notes The good Doctor is a serious powerhouse. He has a good damage value by himself, but couple it with his 4, 5, or 6 clicks of Psychic Blast and you can bet that damage is getting through. His beginning stats are decent but consistent, so he’ll have the same attack value for a while. His Rookie version has the following first click: 8 speed with Phasing/Teleport and flight, 8 attack with Psychic Blast, 16 defense with Energy Shield/Deflection, 2 damage with Probability Control, and a 6 range with one target. His Experienced and Veteran versions bump up his attack, defense, and damage by 1 each. His powers change a bit throughout the dials, but he’s surprisingly consistent, with Phasing/Teleport on all but his last click in each version and lots of Psychic Blast. His Rookie and Experienced versions have two or three clicks of Energy Shield/Deflection, and then switch to Barrier, while his Veteran version starts with Defend, and then Energy Shield/Deflection, and then Barrier. His Rookie and Experienced versions also have Probability Control on all but their last clicks, and his Veteran version has it on every click. As for team abilities, his Rookie version does not have a team affiliation, but his Experienced version is JSA and his Veteran version is Mystics. He’s a good power piece, but at the same time that he’s attacking he makes an excellent support piece. At 155 points, his Veteran version is pretty pricey, but his other versions (85 points and 113 points) are easier to work with.

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:17

Totally Sweet!

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 13:18

He's got that "KISS, you rock!" hand pose...

batfink

03/10/2004, 13:18

I love you too, Dr. Fate.

Pootzwacke

03/10/2004, 13:19

This is THE figure I've been waiting for. And it looks like they did him up right.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

-Pootzwacke

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:20

Wow 155pts for 9 attack......Thats not so Totally Sweet.:(

A_Higher_Level

03/10/2004, 13:20

It was Fate that he's in this expansion.

AZS

03/10/2004, 13:21

Dude, doesn't he know gold accessories are totally out? Silver is the new gold. And platnum is the new silver.
Don't ask me what the new platnum is, I don't know.

Aron

03/10/2004, 13:21

the way I read it his vet version has 10 attack and does 4 damage with psychic blast (at 6 range?)

PaxZRake

03/10/2004, 13:21

Yes, a JSA member with a 17 D! Oh thank the heavens. And he has PC!

vaders sabre

03/10/2004, 13:22

very cool

Nobodyspecial

03/10/2004, 13:23

Nice!

Aron

03/10/2004, 13:23

hmmm... 16 with eshield and probability control, 17 with eshield (share with JSA buddies) and probability control, 18 defend with probability control - nasty

EvilGenius

03/10/2004, 13:24

Yes, I read that he starts with 8 AV as a Rookie, 9 AV as Exp and 10 AV as a Vet. Which is certainly SWEET!

grendelboy

03/10/2004, 13:24

Awww sweet nectar! I'm a little disappointed with the numbers and the Defend (plus JSA T/A). But Fate's a favorite and this looks awesome.

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 13:24

Man, that is the mother of all Erkle pants! His undies are pulled all the way up to his armpits! :)

Darth Sabre

03/10/2004, 13:24

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Can't wait to pull him....probably more than any other figure, he's the one I've been waiting for.

honky

03/10/2004, 13:25

poo no JlA

boneyard

03/10/2004, 13:26

Wouldn't have minded seeing him have a JLA team affliation, but since this appears to be the Hector Hall version, then it makes sense.

Thanks Wizkids for another nice piece!

thugit

03/10/2004, 13:26

Awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome.

18 defense with defend, Psychic blast, PC, and a 10 attack with 4 damage(if I read it correctly)? Superb.

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:26

His Rookie version has the following first click: 8 speed with Phasing/Teleport and flight, 8 attack with Psychic Blast, 16 defense with Energy Shield/Deflection, 2 damage with Probability Control, and a 6 range with one target. His Experienced and Veteran versions bump up his attack, defense, and damage by 1 each.

I guess there are two ways to read this.

1. His E and V bump up his stats by 1 on each value. Which would be 9AT 17DEF 3 DMG 9MV

2. His E and V bump up each stat by 1 each level. They left it kind of vague but I think they would have just said it like option 2 if that’s what they meant. I think it's 9 and then they try to justify it by making it consistent.

Who knows, I'm just guessing anyway.

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 13:26

Holy...

The Vet will have a 10 attack w/ Psychic Blast...a 18 Defence with Defend...Mystic...and a FULL dial of Proabability Control????

Oh man. Gimme gimme gimme!!!!!!!!!

Aron

03/10/2004, 13:27

so for mixed teams who plans on using Dr Fate teamed up with silver surfer, spiderman and invisible girl? :P

tyroclix

03/10/2004, 13:28

I think Dr. Fate sounds great - and I'm glad he is an REV rather than a Unique.

He's very pushable (which I always love) and with PC, his 8-10(?) attack stats get a huge upgrade and brings the power to DC.

His powers sounds fantastic and I love how the game is evolving away from 1-click wonders.

With eventual set retirement, I have a feeling generic support figs (perplex, support, etc) will be going the way of the Dodo.

Now all I need is a villian with Defend! (Ultimate Magneto, maybe?)

clix

03/10/2004, 13:28

That sculpt Rocks!

SpakSpang

03/10/2004, 13:29

Are you people seriously complaining about a 9 attack?

Its a 9 attack for 3 clicks!!! Or so it is implied.

As well you have Probability control for the entire dial to ensure you hit. 2 rolls with a 9 attack should be plenty.

As well this figure looks like a mystic that can actually take a few big hits, which means the mystic team ability will be totally sweet against them.

Put him behind Nightwing and use his defend to boost up Nightwings defense and wait for the fools to come to you.

This set is going to rock.

My most sought after figures are going to be:

Batgirl V
Doc Fate V
Superman U
Wonder Woman U

There is so much to like in this set.

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:30

Now I like Dr Fate and I hope he does have 10 attack. I would like to say that I am amazed at hoe you are all so eager to go with the positive answer. Most of the time all anyone ever does on these things is ##### and try to find a negative.

If it is each level Dr Fate is a must have and IS Totally Sweet:grin:

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 13:32

Originally posted by CaptainMarvel
Now I like Dr Fate and I hope he does have 10 attack. I would like to say that I am amazed at hoe you are all so eager to go with the positive answer. Most of the time all anyone ever does on these things is ##### and try to find a negative.

If it is each level Dr Fate is a must have and IS Totally Sweet:grin:

It says that his stats go up "1 level each".

Each what? Each level is the only think you can really assume. That said, I think it's a safe bet to say his V has a 10 AV.

Be positive with us! Come! Rejoice!:grin:

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:33

Originally posted by SpakSpang
Are you people seriously complaining about a 9 attack?

Its a 9 attack for 3 clicks!!! Or so it is implied.

As well you have Probability control for the entire dial to ensure you hit. 2 rolls with a 9 attack should be plenty.

As well this figure looks like a mystic that can actually take a few big hits, which means the mystic team ability will be totally sweet against them.

Put him behind Nightwing and use his defend to boost up Nightwings defense and wait for the fools to come to you.

This set is going to rock.

My most sought after figures are going to be:

Batgirl V
Doc Fate V
Superman U
Wonder Woman U

There is so much to like in this set.

No one complained. I never said I didn't want him or that he's no good or even that I wouldn't play him. I was just stating that 9 is kind of low for 155pts as compared to other figs.

Please don't start throwing out accusations?

Gentlegamer

03/10/2004, 13:33

A full dial of Probability Control! Wow! DC doesn't have a power for 2 sets, then gets a figure with a full dial!

My fate is in your hands!

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 13:34

155 points. Same as R Superman. I think this shows just how off-the-mark R Superman really was. ;)

ncernak

03/10/2004, 13:34

I love it...more probability control!!

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:35

Originally posted by FoxInStocks
It says that his stats go up "1 level each".

Each what? Each level is the only think you can really assume. That said, I think it's a safe bet to say his V has a 10 AV.

Be positive with us! Come! Rejoice!:grin:

It does not say 1 level. It says 1 each.

BTW I am happy and I am rejoicing. 9 Attack with PB for 3 to 4 clix is Sweet!:grin:

CaptainMarvel

03/10/2004, 13:36

Originally posted by FoxInStocks
155 points. Same as R Superman. I think this shows just how off-the-mark R Superman really was. ;)

Agreed 100% along with other figs as well.

jesse1111

03/10/2004, 13:38

i'm not paying 155 pts for a 9 av. i'm not paying 92 pts for a 9 av. sorry bats.

AlaskanXIII

03/10/2004, 13:38

I do believe the Vet has an 8 range, from a close inspection of the pic. 8 Range Psychic Blast for 4 damage from DC... who'da thunk it? Nasty. Sadly, he'd most likely kick the tar outta poor ol' Darkseid. That doesn't seem right. But heck, Dr. Fate rocks!

Although... yeesh... that sculpt is not too pretty.

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 13:39

Originally posted by CaptainMarvel
It does not say 1 level. It says 1 each.

BTW I am happy and I am rejoicing. 9 Attack with PB for 3 to 4 clix is Sweet!:grin:

Curse you for being right! Having re-read the preview, I change my stance. It sounds like the Vet will have 9 Attack, 17 Defense (w/ Defend).

That still works for me, though. :)

SpakSpang

03/10/2004, 13:39

Captain Marvel:

Ok. I apologize. I just see so many people latch onto one single problem with a piece and then there is a rant of complaining.

I responded when there was like 4 replies, and I hoped that it didn't go that route.

Thankfully it didn't.

dernjg

03/10/2004, 13:41

Chills. Just chills. That's all I can say.

dherberger

03/10/2004, 13:41

He will definitley add to JSA teams

What kind of range is on the Exp and Vet versions
I guess it would be Exp 8 range and Vet 10 range.

As long as the AV stays consistent I could live with it.

Rookie has 8av and only 6 range. You'll have to use his PB control on himself all the time.

A 10 AV on the rookie would make him a tank

supermangl1

03/10/2004, 13:42

I was bummed in I glanced over the description, but I think his vet is a 10, with defend at 18, Physic blast, prob control, and mystic makes me want to pass out. That rocks sooooooooo hard, and his JSA is a 9 attack but with 17 w/ energy shield? A 19 defense with the power at Exp. version who is JSA? They have been vindicated.
This guy will rock hard. Must have.............must have........Dr. Fate........now.............

supermangl1

03/10/2004, 13:43

Oh yeah 4 damage in vet!!! :classic: I'm so happy!

dherberger

03/10/2004, 13:45

If you pull him in a DC booster draft he'll be hard to hit b/c of the low AV. In a mixed tournie, players are planning on hitting an 18, 19 or 20 defense. I don't like making a team that I don't have at least one figure with a 12 attack.

Thunderbolts

03/10/2004, 13:52

This third DC set makes the third Marvel one look like Critical Mass. Fate rocks.

Gentlegamer

03/10/2004, 13:54

Please, no DC v. Marvel fight!

Frontman

03/10/2004, 13:56

The Fate's are kind, my friends. This is a great piece, great values, looks very balanced, and a well made figure. I hope that this continues to build to a great set. Even if the remaining figures are so-so, the spoilers have made this set for me.

The Frontman

Sriad

03/10/2004, 13:57

Even if he only has 9 attack he has probability control, which is worth an honerary +1 in my book.

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 13:57

http://neomonsterisland.com/forumart/cleveland.jpg
It's not an oficial Hero-lix, but when I finally get my hands on the necessary figures, boom!

Gentlegamer

03/10/2004, 14:00

Originally posted by shin-goji
http://neomonsterisland.com/forumart/cleveland.jpg
It's not an oficial Hero-lix, but when I finally get my hands on the necessary figures, boom!
Which one reprents Nigel? :grin:

theSHOWDOWN

03/10/2004, 14:00

It's pretty clear that the Exp and Vet start with the same values. The Vet just gets upgraded to a Mystic and downgraded to Defend (ES/D would have been SOOO much better). And I wouldn't expect too long of a dial. I predict 7 clix max. MAYBE 8 on the vet, but I sincerely doubt it.

The Probability Control really adds to his value the way Outwit or Perplex adds to Dr. Doom or Darkseid.

Now that DC has broken the ice with a big-point PCer, maybe Marvel can bust out Domino?

AlaskanXIII

03/10/2004, 14:12

I dunno, Showdown, how do you explain the horrendous points increase from the Exp to the Vet unless his values go up? Since he only has a little more Phasing and PC, and we know Defend is pretty cheap. Even the Mystics TA shouldn't make that big of a difference (look at E and V Zatanna). But an increase to 4 damage (even though I agree it sounds high) with PB would certainly do it.

He's interesting to compare to Dr. Strange -- I was expecting a more colorful dial (course I was expecting that for Dormammu, too). But I imagine he'll have a similar dial length -- 6 or 7 clicks for the rookie, 7 for the exp, 8 for the vet.

billok55

03/10/2004, 14:16

I ran some stats on a stat calc and this is what I came up with.

8 range, one arrow, flying, veteran
-1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 6 - 5 - 5 - 5 -KO - KO - KO
10 - 9 - 8 -8 - 7 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 5 -KO - KO - KO
18 - 17-15-15-14-14- 13-12-12-KO - KO - KO
--4 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 -KO - KO - KO

PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - 00
PB - PS - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - 00 - 00
DF - DF - ES - ES - ES - BA - BA - BA - 00
PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB

In this form (without the mystics TA [don't have on my calc]) he comes out to 128 points if you add another arrow he comes out to 132 combined with the Mystics TA and that's darn close to 155, I think whe have good things to look foward to with him.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT HIS DEFINATE DIAL, JUST SOMETHING CLOSE TO A POSSIBILITY

-=Bill=-

Khatt

03/10/2004, 14:19

Either way... 9 or 10 AV is nice... with PC making it THAT much more usable. PB helps out an DV that's on the high end of average. And if he stays consitant, then watch out.

And by the way... Enjoy the DC universe Defend... I'm sure it will enjoy you.

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 14:23

DreadDormammu

03/10/2004, 14:24

Originally posted by FoxInStocks
It says that his stats go up "1 level each".I read that as each stat goes up 1, not that they go up 1 each level. I suspect he has 9 AV, 17 DV, 3 Dam for both E and V.

Puuka

03/10/2004, 14:28

Sweet, I'm glad they didn't make him a Dr Strange clone, but are they forgoing the continuous numbering?

Doctor Fate
Sculpted by: James Van Schaik
Painted by: Ben Saunders
Unit Num: 070 Point Cost: 85 Team: None
Unit Num: 071 Point Cost: 113 Team: Justice Society
Unit Num: 051 Point Cost: 155 Team: Mystics

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 14:35

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
I read that as each stat goes up 1, not that they go up 1 each level. I suspect he has 9 AV, 17 DV, 3 Dam for both E and V.

Yeah, that was my bad. I corrected myself a few posts back.

That's why I hate shooting my mouth off before I check what I'm spouting. :p

billok55

03/10/2004, 14:37

This is him with:

6 range, one arrow, JSA, flying

-1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
-9 - 8 - 8 - 7 - 7- 6 - 6 - 5 - 5 - KO - KO - KO
-9 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 7 - 6 - 6 - 6 - 6 - KO - KO - KO
17-16- 16-15-15 -14-13- 13-12 -KO - KO - KO
-3 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - KO - KO - KO

PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - 00
PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - 00 - 00
ES - ES - ES - BA - BA - BA - BA - BA - BA
PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - 00

Thats 106 points once again fairly close. I think we have a very nice figure coming in the form of fate.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL DIAL, JUST A POSSIBILITY.

Thanks,
-=Bill=-

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 14:45

I just did a little math on PC as relates to relative odds of hitting... with two rolls and an AV of 9, Fate has just under a 50/50 chance of hitting at DV of 18 (48%). He has a 66% chance of hitting a 17, and a 83% chance of hitting a 16.

That's pretty good, when you consider that he can use that PC for other people when he's not attacking, and use it on defense as well.

Ultimate_Thor

03/10/2004, 14:48

For those wondering about the PC all the way down the dial, one of Dr. Fate's abilities is to, well, see anyone's fate. Even his own.

As for his AV. Dr. Fate has never really been a good combatant. Most of his fights have him just throwing around ankh-bolts and hoping for the best. Dr. Fate's expertise is in harassing enemies/protecting allies through his knowledge of the mystical arts.

billok55

03/10/2004, 14:51

Here's a rookie too.

6 range, one arrow, no TA, flying

-1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 -- 10 - 11 - 12
-8 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 6 - 6 - 5 - 5 - KO - KO - KO - KO
-8 - 8 - 7 - 7 - 6 - 6 - 6 - 5 - KO - KO - KO - KO
-16-15-14-14-13-13-12-12 - KO - KO - KO - KO
-2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - KO - KO - KO - KO

PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - PS - 00
PB - PB - PB - PB - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00
ES - ES - BA - BA - BA - BA - BA - BA
PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - PB - 00

Yet another possibility.

-=Bill=-

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 15:04

I am the only one who does not like the sculpt? His fingers look like he's wearing mittens and the gold and yellow clash-- it should be all one or the other.

AlgertMan

03/10/2004, 15:05

vet Fate plus a Saturn Girl = pw3nd

FoxInStocks

03/10/2004, 15:07

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
I am the only one who does not like the sculpt? His fingers look like he's wearing mittens and the gold and yellow clash-- it should be all one or the other.

I think the sculpt is mediocre. Aside from the fact that he appears to be trying to do some web-slinging, his pose is boring.

He's still going to kick ###, though. :)

rouge2

03/10/2004, 15:45

I don't recognise this version of his costume. What's with the open neck? Neither the Classic or Modern versions have that. Is it based on the animated design? It just looks... odd.

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 15:46

Originally posted by AlgertMan
vet Fate plus a Saturn Girl = pw3nd

Verrrry nice.

Perplex up that attack or damage, PC to make sure you hit, and Mystical retaliation for all!

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 15:47

Originally posted by FoxInStocks
I think the sculpt is mediocre. Aside from the fact that he appears to be trying to do some web-slinging, his pose is boring.

He's still going to kick ###, though. :)

Looks to me like he's gonna break out into a chorus of
"It's raining men!"

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 15:48

Originally posted by rouge2
I don't recognise this version of his costume. What's with the open neck? Neither the Classic or Modern versions have that. Is it based on the animated design? It just looks... odd.
That is not sexy.
That is ani-mahl!
What is Fate gonna do?
Scrub the Super-Villian? :)

davenappy

03/10/2004, 16:21

Fire!

Weeee saluuuuute YOU!!!!!

This fig should be cool. Thank goodness it isn't the knife-wielding Fate from the mid-nineties. But my first reaction to the fig was "If Captain "Shazam" Marvel is "The Big Red Cheese", then Dr Fate is "The Big Blue Cheese". That's some real cheesy yellow coloring.

And he does look like he's trying to use web-shooters.

Master_of_Fire

03/10/2004, 16:21

Am i the only one that noticed that Dr. Fate has no stomach muscles or abs, it looks like a slab. I also just dont like the body on this sculp. Lastly i will not waste 155pts for a 10 AV i atleast what an 11 attack on my over 100 figs. His powers are pretty nice though i got to admit. and lastly i also like his rock on hand pose very nice.

Nevest

03/10/2004, 16:24

When I first read it I assumed the Vet would have 10/18/4 but you people have made me wonder. With his points going up that much he's got to get some stat bonuses. I'll hope I was right the first time until it's proven otherwise. Either way it sounds like he's going to be a powerful piece.

What's with that hand gesture? Does that mean something special for him in the comics? The sculpt is OK, nothing bad, nothing great.

ErasmusCraven

03/10/2004, 16:26

I like the sculpt, but agree that the AV is WAY too low for a 155 point fig.

These powerhouses are currently only being played in special scenarios or Battle Royals. Even the 85 point version will not be seen on a winning 300 point team minus some serious downfall in competition or rules alterations.

We live in the HC world of 40 points or less, and this fig is just too much cost in one fig for the normal 300 point game.

EC

Mister J

03/10/2004, 16:29

Well, even if he has only an 10AV on his Vet, he will still have a higher % chance to hit most targets than someone with an 11AV since he brings his own PC to the mix. Really, 11AV with PC on on fig would be pretty darn sick.

shin-goji

03/10/2004, 16:31

Interesting enough figure. In DC only tourneys he'll bring much needed front loaded PC.

Ghost Rider will still own him ;)

SilverAgeFlash

03/10/2004, 16:45

He he will almost needed in the sealed tournies for Unleashed. I dont remeber seeing and front loaded outwit so far (aside from the bat) His PB Could be really big agaist all these large figs (Big Barda Mettalo Superman WW supergirl and pretty much everyone in the set it seems has Impervious or Invul. That and I love Reroll. :laugh:

EndlessExpanse

03/10/2004, 16:53

A probabilty-controlling psychic-blasting mystic who flies? Bring it.

Trader2699

03/10/2004, 17:01

He just doesn't look like Dr. Fate.....normally, DC sculpts rock, but they dropped the ball on this one.

tyroclix

03/10/2004, 17:01

Regarding his attack rating - I'm expecting it to stay steady for a few clicks - at least 3. A 9, 9, 9 attack is great and fits fine in 155 points. (or 130 for that matter).

Just look at Nova. She's around 133 points - and she has the pricey RCE and Invulnerability plus the really expensive Running Shot.

DreadDormammu

03/10/2004, 17:14

Originally posted by Puuka
Sweet, I'm glad they didn't make him a Dr Strange clone, but are they forgoing the continuous numbering?

Doctor Fate
Sculpted by: James Van Schaik
Painted by: Ben Saunders
Unit Num: 070 Point Cost: 85 Team: None
Unit Num: 071 Point Cost: 113 Team: Justice Society
Unit Num: 051 Point Cost: 155 Team: Mystics It's a cut and paste error from the Batgirl preview. Her Vet is figure number 51.

DreadDormammu

03/10/2004, 17:15

Originally posted by Trader2699
He just doesn't look like Dr. Fate.....normally, DC sculpts rock, but they dropped the ball on this one. It's not a bad sculpture. I thought the Raven, Big Barda and Supergirl were bad. Dr. Fate, Green Lantern, Shazam, Cyborg, Black Adam are average/good. Batgirl, Metallo and the KC Uniques are fabulous.

IMO. ;)

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 17:19

Take a look at my post regarding PC and the AV: He's between a 10 and an 11 effectively with the PC.

An 11 AV to hit a 18: 42% chance to miss

A 10 AV to hit an 18: 58% chance to miss

A 9 AV to hit an 18 with two tries: 52% chance to miss

For defenses higher than 18, it becomes less effective. But how often are you rolling against a defense over 18?

Add in the ability to use that in defense, or on other figure's rolls on off turns, and it's a lot nicer. Of course it can be Outwitted, but that's one less outwit to worry about, then.

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 17:28

Oh, I should point out that if the V and E both have that attack value, it'll be an easy choice for me to use the E over the V-- unless the V is packing something even better.

I have no problem with the low AV when combined with PC, but I don't know what that V is goiong to add to be worth the difference in points. Mystics isn't enough.

tyroclix

03/10/2004, 17:51

His Experienced and Veteran versions bump up his attack, defense, and damage by 1 each.

There are two ways of writing this:

A) His attack, defense, and damage are bumped up 1 point for his Exp and Vet versions.

B) His Exp and Vet versions each get a 1 point bump up for his attack, defense, and damage.

The question is - which is correct.

I still think it's a +1 per level. "Each", as I read it, is referring back to Experienced and Veteran. To say 1 point for the list of attack, defense, and damage just strikes me as redundant at best.

Guess we gotta wait about 20 more days to know for sure...

tyroclix

03/10/2004, 17:53

I have no problem with the low AV when combined with PC, but I don't know what that V is goiong to add to be worth the difference in points. Mystics isn't enough.

Other additions could be a deeper dial of stats. Assuming they both have a 9 attack - exp could have 3 clicks while the Vet has 4.

Also, I bet Fate has the Superman and Batman range. 6 for the R and E and 8 for the Vet.

Targets could also add cost.

Sweetcurse

03/10/2004, 18:11

Sorry, Dr. Strange still sounds better.

Ignatz_Mouse

03/10/2004, 18:12

Two-arrow Psychic blast would be tres nifte'.

CapAmerica24

03/10/2004, 18:48

Alright! Finally a JSA piece with a 17 Defense!!!!!!!!!!!

(Sorry about all the exclamation points, but I am #### excited.)

weezer_10

03/10/2004, 18:59

Originally posted by CapAmerica24
Alright! Finally a JSA piece with a 17 Defense!!!!!!!!!!!

(Sorry about all the exclamation points, but I am #### excited.)
My LE Carter Hall just looked a lot more attractive after reading that. :p :grin: :p

CapAmerica24

03/10/2004, 19:08

Carter is LOVING it!!!

lukebuchanan

03/10/2004, 19:09

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
It's not a bad sculpture. I thought the Raven, Big Barda and Supergirl were bad. Dr. Fate, Green Lantern, Shazam, Cyborg, Black Adam are average/good. Batgirl, Metallo and the KC Uniques are fabulous.

IMO. ;)

Man, why do I agree with you about what is a good sculpt and what is a terrible one so much :cheeky: Raven wasn't that bad, and could have been salvaged if they had blackened her eyes. Just like Viper...........why is her hair NOT covering one eye!

Luke B. Modeling

The Charlatan

03/10/2004, 19:20

He's a lot more consistant, powers-wise, then Dr Strange, though also a lot more expensive. I'll probably get just the E or V, maybe both.

GameBrain

03/10/2004, 19:27

I'd like to believe that the vet has 10av, 18def, and 4 dmg, but my pessimistic/realistic/nihilistic nature prevents it. My guess is that it's the same 9av, 17def, and 3 dmg of the expert. I wouldn't doubt that he earns an extra click of those stats, which I can't complain about. To those saying a 9av won't do it, I say "who cares?" Fate has the ability to hit most DC figs for 3 raw damage. How often do you see a figure carrying a 17+ def in DC? And better yet, how many have it up front for more than one click? Combo that with PC, and it wouldn't be a huge ordeal to hit them.

DreadDormammu

03/10/2004, 19:29

Originally posted by lukebuchanan
Man, why do I agree with you about what is a good sculpt and what is a terrible one so much :cheeky: Raven wasn't that bad, and could have been salvaged if they had blackened her eyes. Just like Viper...........why is her hair NOT covering one eye!Raven will be much better looking if her E and/or V version are flying. That pose just doesn't work for me on the ground. I like your Viper idea!

Overall, I still think Unleashed is looking very good sculpture wise even though I don't love them all. I hope the paint jobs are good and that preview of a case sounded very encouraging! I can't wait for my case.

army_22

03/10/2004, 19:31

Looks like Dr Fate is down with the Shocker....

don't know how I feel about that...

bladestalker

03/10/2004, 20:01

very nice!!

especially teamed with a Shazam. JSA will rock.

rouge2

03/10/2004, 20:13

Originally posted by Nevest
What's with that hand gesture? Does that mean something special for him in the comics? The sculpt is OK, nothing bad, nothing great.

Yes, the hand gesture much ridiculed in this thread is, in fact, the classic Dr. Fate gesture used to cast spells (normally his energy blasts).

Glorfindel

03/10/2004, 22:00

That's one big pair of yellow underpants he is wearing over his costume! :p

Free Gamer

03/10/2004, 22:21

Yes! Finally, I can confidently field Cheetah in DC-only games. :)

"PC...don't B/C/F without it."

Cliff Stockton

03/10/2004, 22:46

That sculpt is of the current version with Hector Hall as Fate.
I do miss the old high collar Kent Nelson wore.

The gold and yellow do contrast a bit. Still a nice looking
figure and he sounds pretty awesome as for playability.

I agree with the TA's. JLA would've been nice but he was
with them for such a short time. JSA is getting some much
needed additions this expansion! Nice!

Can't wait to see who else will turn up!

Glad I ordered a case!

miridor

03/10/2004, 23:04

ooooo pretty......

Kid Zero

03/11/2004, 00:51

I like it alot.

chi_madnes

03/11/2004, 01:38

great another R Invisible girl...... one that makes you take clicks of damage when you hit him

Hellboy

03/11/2004, 01:50

yessir! there it is! I will be clipping some right hands offa Dr Fate models and gluing them to some Dr Stranges! Isn't that mystical sign of the devil thing a Marvel trademark or something? I forsee that I'll be doing a Dr Strangefate Mod too!

chi_madnes

03/11/2004, 01:53

Originally posted by Hellboy
Isn't that mystical sign of the devil thing a Marvel trademark or something?

I didn't even notice the hand sign :confused:

in Chicago thats a gang sing :angry: :angry:

####ing kings :angry:

chi_madnes

03/11/2004, 01:55

sign*

p.s. I was wrong the hand is facing the wrong way :)

Kite-Man

03/11/2004, 02:22

It only takes a swipe of black paint to "fix" Viper's hair. I painted over half of her face as soon as I opened 'er.

Then She teamed up with Silver Samurai and kicked Wolverine's a$$.

Legion-of-Doom

03/11/2004, 04:42

Wow, he looks like ####.

Betsy #2

03/11/2004, 08:32

Originally posted by AlaskanXIII
Even the Mystics TA shouldn't make that big of a difference (look at E and V Zatanna).

Isn't E Zatanna a JLA member?

As for Dr. Fate, his stats and everything look great so far. I'm just curious as to how deep his dial is. I can't envision it being all that deep, even at 155 pts. With no damage reducing powers, it seems if he gets hits for even 3 clicks (kinda like Green Lantern), he's much less effective of a piece, except he'll still have that PC, which is always nice.
Just my thought for now, but that may change once I actually see the dial.
Here's hoping to a deep dial!:)

Gacy's Clown

03/11/2004, 08:34

That last post was by me, as my gf obviously forgot to log out.:grin:

Gacy's Clown

03/11/2004, 08:36

Originally posted by chi_madnes
great another R Invisible girl...... one that makes you take clicks of damage when you hit him

37 pts. vs. 155.....quite a difference there and really not even comparable.

JonyQuest13

03/11/2004, 09:49

Personally i Agree ill use invisible girl over him any day, lets not forget that we are paying 150 points for a attack of 10 with psyckink blast and he doesent even have stealth i, dont really think ill use him at all but still an exelent piece to put with the rest of the set in a nice BOX.

Ignatz_Mouse

03/11/2004, 10:25

I'll use him in DC-only for sure-- I don't know if I'd use him in mixed play, when I could build him out of component pieces. Depends on the rest of his dial, and what the Vet's AV really is.

The E looks good with a 16 Def, and ES/D, and PC. He'll be hard to hit And not so expensive that he'd be your only offensive piece. And Psychic Blast means one less thing to require Outwit for.

bullseye100

03/11/2004, 11:12

Coolness!!!!!

soldiersoul13

03/11/2004, 12:44

So, why is only his veteran a mystic? Or why isn't at least his rookie a mystic as well. I would understand why they'd want to mix it up a little.
Also, what does it mean to be a mystic?

Cliff Stockton

03/11/2004, 14:05

Originally posted by soldiersoul13
So, why is only his veteran a mystic?

Probably the same reason the Jay Garrick Flash Unique
has no JSA Team Affiliation on his dial.

I don't know if Wizkids has any rhyme or reason for how
they choose things like this. I hope it's more than just...

OOPS!

I really don't know but many more of us wonder that same
question about more than one figure I'm sure.

Maybe they think in his Rookie version he isn't quite up to
speed on his powers and abilities so he doesn't know the
proper spells yet. This looks to be the Hector Hall version
anyways. Not the more experienced Kent Nelson from JSA's
Golden Age stories.

Maybe this makes a little sense...