Ultimate Carnage Thoughts

[Supes]

Is anybody excited over the concept that Gwen Stacy will be the Ultimate Carnage? I personally had hoped Bendis wouldn't do that but he has it set in his mind.

Reasons this is true for those who aren't sure:

- In the letters column of a recent U. Spidey he mentioned that Gwen would be becoming U. Carnage... but then playfully said whoops. A little too blantantly.

- He makes sure that Gwen will not give up her thought that Spiderman killed her father. Even though everybody else in the world knows it was the guy dressed as him... she alone remains dead set on this "fact"

- Eddie (Venom) has a major wanting of her and as such will probably be more bold if he encounts her again. Now that he's Venom and all.

- In the most recent Wizard Bendis did state an Ultimate Carnage is coming and "it's someone you already know in the comics and won't be expecting."

So unless this is a huge hoax and he is making Flash Thompson Carnage... well it looks like Ultimate Universe is getting a female Carnage.

Thoughts? Questions? Flames?

Don't worry I'm used to all of them.

[DreadDormammu]

I couldn't even stand to read the original Carnage stuff. I have no idea what Ultimate Carnage will be like. :)

[Supes]

Yeah I always thought Carnage was like a poor man's Venom. But maybe Bendis' take with giving a real motivation could be cool. As long as her "costume" is better. If Carnage will be a she, let her be hot. That's all I gotta say.

[freakazoid_x]

Well, when Peter Parker was researching the names of cat burglars a couple issues ago, Cletus Kassidy's name was on the list of burglars. So maybe Carnage will start as Gwen, but Cletus will make an appearence.

I predict he will have some sort of weird facial hair.

[Supes]

Keen eye you got there.

So either Bendis is toying with us all, or maybe Carnage will be like a symbiote, going from host to host. Until Cletus gets his hands on it. Hmm.

Wonder why nobody cares? I thought Carnage was a fav out there. I just started this post to see why nobody was talking about it.

Maybe it's just because Galactus is too big to share the spotlight.

[metzgarob]

there is NO way that stacy will be carnage.


that was a (period)

[coad14]

the person that is becoming carnage was in issue #50. i think that it will be MJ's dad, personally. i think that the gwen comment was to throw people off as to who it really will be.

[spankthemonkey]

Carnage sucks enough in normal continuity. Let's not ruin Ultimate continuity with him as well. Venom was cool when he didn't have a lame red-headed step-child to deal with, rather than be the crazy bugger he already is.

[coad14]

personally, i liked the "maximun carnage" story.

[VampireHunterD]

i thought everyone liked carnage too! Granted I liek venom better, but arnage is definately a very cool villain. I hope its not gewn though, i like it when they change teh story a little bit but some of thsi ultimate stuff they've been coming up with is total garbage. Ultimate x-men hasn't been that bad (in fact most of it has been pretty good), except the story when they killed xavier's son, that one was pretty lame.

VHD

[spankthemonkey]

Carnage was Marvel's misguided attempt at making an Image character, aka the anathema of the comics industry. Lame-assed characters with no depth that "just do stuff." Very limited story potential.

Story #1 Carnage commits mass murder. Spidey and Venom team up despite their differences to stop him. Bland dialogue ensues.

Story #2 See #1

Story #3 See #2

Story #4 See #3

[sword master]

Originally posted by Supes
Is anybody excited over the concept that Gwen Stacy will be the Ultimate Carnage? I personally had hoped Bendis wouldn't do that but he has it set in his mind.

Reasons this is true for those who aren't sure:

- In the letters column of a recent U. Spidey he mentioned that Gwen would be becoming U. Carnage... but then playfully said whoops. A little too blantantly.

- He makes sure that Gwen will not give up her thought that Spiderman killed her father. Even though everybody else in the world knows it was the guy dressed as him... she alone remains dead set on this "fact"

- Eddie (Venom) has a major wanting of her and as such will probably be more bold if he encounts her again. Now that he's Venom and all.

- In the most recent Wizard Bendis did state an Ultimate Carnage is coming and "it's someone you already know in the comics and won't be expecting."

So unless this is a huge hoax and he is making Flash Thompson Carnage... well it looks like Ultimate Universe is getting a female Carnage.

Thoughts? Questions? Flames?

Don't worry I'm used to all of them.


i don't read the comics but reading the above gives me the idea that it WON'T be gwen. someone already said they saw cletus kassidys name, and, if i'm not mistaking isn't that the original carnage's name???

[Wyldstaar]

I have a bad feeling that Ultimate Carnage is going to derail Ultimate Spider-Man the way the Clone Saga screwed up Classic Spidey. I love Ultimate Spidey, and can't stand the idea of Bendis letting it be screwed up by pressure to create Carnage in the Ultimate Universe. I know from interviews that Ultimate Venom wasn't his idea, and I suspect Ultimate Carnage isn't either.

[spankthemonkey]

Carnage is like the all-singing, all-dancing poop of the comics universe, please, God, keep him out of my Ultimate Spidey. PLEASE. It's about the only Marvel book that's worth reading anymore now that Johns has left Avengers, and Bendis is barely writing DD. PLEASE leave that useless pile of **** out of it.

[Supes]

Huh, then it wasn't just me that thought he was a lame concept.

It does look like Carnage will make an appearance in U. Spidey. I just hope Bendis has the skills to make it quick and painless. Kinda like a... there he is... Carnage... Venom appears and kills him. Then Spidey and Venom fight. Ah... he existed so the big dogs at Marvel U got there way but then he's gone so we... uh the readers... get ours.

Course, that just means I'm being way more optomistic than I should be.

[shibitz007]

Oh yeah, I came up with this before issue 50 even came out! remember "Ooh ooh! I know it! Ultimate Carnage is..." It was me who first relized that gwen would be carnage like, months ago! Oh yeah and you forgot to copy the part where since MJ is kidnapped by Green Goblin in Ultimate spidy, and in Classic spidy Gwen got kidnapped by green goblin, and in Classic spidy MJ is kidnapped by Venom and ito only makes snse now that gwen will be captured be venom... And turned into Carnage


C.S.---MJ - Venom
C.S.---Gwen - Green Goblin

U.S.---MJ - Green Goblin
U.S.---Gwen - Venom

:angry:

[Wyldstaar]

Why would BMB say that everyone will be surprised by who Carnage is, and then make an obvious hint that it's Gwen? The answer is simple, Carnage will not be Gwen Stacy. The idea is absurd, not to mention lame. What's really sad is the fact that it will be a character we're already aware of. Whoever it is, their character is about to be totally ruined.

[coad14]

ultimate carnage will make his appearance in ulitmate spidey 60-61. it was brought up alreadt that curt conners has something to do wit hit, and they are also introducing ...................ultimate ben riley!

[Numb Skrull]

I think the carnage storyline starts when the current Hollywood story is over, which will be in two more months. A long time ago I thought that Carnage was going to be flash thompson, because when BMB said that carnage would be a some one that we already know, i suddenly remembered an issue of USM where Flash had some sort of problem and he was very serious, but Peter blew him off thinking that he was joking around and that was never resolved or said what was Flash's problem. Then Flash was gone for a while. But I don't think it is him anymore, because i think that issue was before Venom even came out. and Flash has come back and doesn't seem different. Bendis does give Gwen a motive to want to kill Spider Man but i hope she won't be Carnage

[WadeDeadpool]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only Carnage fan out there...

He was in the first Marvel comic book I ever owned (What If?! Number 108, given to me by my sister for my birthday) and the story was pretty cool. The idea was that the symbiote stayed on the Surfer, then took out New York, KO'ed a good amount of the Avengers, and eventually the Silver Surfer gave his life to save the world from Carnage. It was pretty dang cool. Also, me falling in love with the Maximum Carnage SNES game didn't hurt. But I don't know. I've yet to read a Carnage comic I didn't like. (However, he's still not as cool as Nightmare:cheeky: )

Either way, I haven't been a big fan of U Spider-Man, but I might have to pick up 60-61 to find out who the red alien turns out to be.

(And yes, I want a Carnage clix soon.)

[Wyldstaar]

You're forgetting that this is Ultimate here. Carnage could easily have no connection to Venom in the Ultimate universe. There's also the fact that Eddie had been performing experiments on "The Suit" for quite some time before the Venom storyline. If there is a connection with Venom and Carnage in the Ultimate Universe, perhaps the link is one of these experiments.

[Supes]

My two cents?

Kurt Conners knows Peter is Spidey... he also knows about the project and would have access to the "suit" materials. He probably has stolen some and tries to improve upon it.

He just needs a test subject. If Ben Reily shows up... yuck.

I don't know though. They have done a good job so far with updating villians. Venom though was a kind of stretch.

"He's copying everything I am doing" Um ok... too bad it couldn't have been like Eddie hit Peter or something or Peter's blood somehow got mixed in... or something more suited to how Venom can do what Spidey can than... "He's copying everything I am doing"

[Scarlet-Spidey]

DUDE!! if Ben Riley becomes carnage then that would be Funked up, yea this is ultimate universe and stuff are different but that would be wack!! I want a ultimate scarlet spider :laugh: even though the clone saga almost kill classic spidey:disappoin i don't care Ben is my hero:)

[Wyldstaar]

There is no Ben Riley in the Ultimate Universe.

[Scarlet-Spidey]

But they are coming out in the same issue so thats werid. But if ben shows up to stop carnage then i'll be happy.

[Howard d. duck]

Folks I have some good and true news. Ultimate Punisher will also be introduced in this series, although I'm pretty sure most of you know this.

[Numb Skrull]

Well he has been introduced before, he was in the Ultimate Team-Ups, which i have to say was one of the best issues in that short lived comic series

[Wyldstaar]

While The Punisher did indeed make his first Ultimate appearance in UMTU, many of the tales from that title are being ignored for continuity. The Fantastic Four are especially conflicted with their Team-Up versions. Doctor Doom and Iron Man also made appearances that don't jive with their current versions. Some of the stories do still work, but Brian and Mark don't seem to be very concerned about staying loyal to that title's concepts.

[SonofVader]

It'd be crazy if it was Peter... just for Bendis to really throw things for a loop...

... maybe its May...

No flames, please, the above was something of a poor man's attempt at humour.

[DarkSoldier]

Originally posted by Wyldstaar
The Fantastic Four are especially conflicted with their Team-Up versions. I read somewhere (maybe on CBR) that the Fantastic Four's appearance in UMTU will be worked into the series's continuity.

[Wyldstaar]

I've read that too, but so far that doesn't seem possible. In UMTU, the Fantastic Four gained their powers by going to the negative zone where they were trapped for a while. They had adventures there and encountered the extra-dimensional Skrulls. In UFF, the four and Victor Van Damme were transported briefly through the negative zone and immediately deposited across the planet. The Skrulls have been changed into the Chitauri in the Ultimates title. In UMTU, Doctor Doom is the ruler of Latveria and wore his classic costume. In UFF, Van Damme has transformed into a Colossus style organic metal being and he's not the ruler of Latveria.

The biggest obstacle is the extensive list of invention attributed to Reed in UMTU. Since it was a comedy story by Jim Fafood, the creations of the esteemed Dr. Richards were kinda goofy. Reed was drawn at his typical age with the gray at his temples, so many of the inventions were rather dated. He invented CD's, marshmallow fluff, Twinkies, the Joystick, boxer shorts and THE KILOWATT! Most of these were invented before Ultimate Reed was even born, so they'll have to be ignored.

[JacinB]

Ultimate Spoiler:
Ultimate Carnage is actually Peter, who has been taken over by the suit material that has been manipulated by Curt Connors. Ben Reilly, having been given some strange origin where he's got spider-powers, too, dresses up like the 'Scarlet Spider' saves him.









Yes, I'm making that up. :grin:








I hope ... :noid:

[Bubblehead]

The funny thing was I always thought that Carnage was going to turn out to be the stupid burglar from "fake Spidey" arc back in 29-32 I think.....

Call me crazy but I think that's who it is and his name was Cletus Kasady or whatever...it's just a hunch.

[Numb Skrull]

The fake spider-man was the chamelon wasn't it? thats what I thought. But as for who carnage is, I have no idea i read the preview issue and at the end they didnt reveal it.

[Wyldstaar]

The fake Spider-Man was never named. He simply refered to himself as "just some guy." No details have ever been given regarding what happened to him after his arrest, but it stands to reason that if something like an escape had occured that would have been dealt with.

As for the notion that it was Cletus, that seems unlikely. Serial killers don't use stun guns.

[dj_sha]

Gwen Stacy actually doesn't sound as farfetched now with her pulling a gun on Peter in the latest issue. But since Bendis has been joking about it, he's probably just trying to steer everyone away. But there's one thing I know about Ultimate Carnage: he/she/it will have some sort of weird facial hair.

[AKACAY]

My bet's always been Flash Thompson. He'd been wanting to discuss something with Parker quite awhile back and what that was about has never be resolved. While in the most recent USM it now seems that Gwen is very unlikely to be Carnage. So, I stick with my guess that Carnage will be Flash Thompson.

[dj_sha]

Yeah, the recent issue pretty much blows any ideas of Gwen being Carnage out of the water. I could see Flash, but right now we've only got a week to find out. Hmmm, or maybe Carnage will be a returned Eddie Brock...

[Wyldstaar]

Originally posted by dj_sha
Yeah, the recent issue pretty much blows any ideas of Gwen being Carnage out of the water. I could see Flash, but right now we've only got a week to find out. Hmmm, or maybe Carnage will be a returned Eddie Brock...

Sorry, but you're going to have to wait more than a week to find out who Ultimate Carnage is. While I realize that Carnage is on the cover, that doesn't mean anything. Venom was on the cover of the first issue of the USM Venom storyline too, but he didn't actually show up for several issues. There's also the fact that I've already read a preview copy, and he's not in #60. Sorry. If it goes anything like Ultimate Venom, we'll likely have to wait several weeks to find out the answer.

[dj_sha]

But by that time there should be enough clues to piece together who Carnage is. I know that Bendis structures his writing to have A LOT of build up until the bad guy and fight scenes appear. The only thing different with this and Venom is that with the Venom storyline we already knew at the begining who Venom was going to be (Eddie Brock) while this one will have a little more shock and mystery to it for the readers.

[NEWMAN666]

Well we now know that Gwen Stacy will NOT be carnage. She and peter worked throught their problems in the last issue. Unless she has something she hasnt told him or i am completely wrong she isnt carnage

[RanmaSolo]

Who says Carnage has to be evil...? Could still be Gwen. They could just handle it like Peter with the black suit originally was. Er, that is, it could seem benign at first and then later start messing with her.

-Mike

[spankthemonkey]

It'd be nice if they just admitted he was a lame character, just like Darkhawk, and let them pass quietly into the annals of history like Bucky, occaisionally to be mentioned when people reminisce about things that they never want to see again, but were funny at the time.

[WarUlt]

Well the end of the last issue sort of obviously hinted at Flash, with his mysterious quote at the last panel and all. However, that might just be a ruse by Bendis to throw us all off. Although I really like JacinB's idea! ;) I also remember it was said that Ben Reilly would show up.

[Supes]

The story is out....

At least a fair deal of the story.

Ultimate Carnage will be a clone of Peter's DNA done by Curt Conners. ... Saw that in the latest Wizard. We'll see if the magical Bendis can take both the Carnage story and the Clone Saga (both considered the lowest points in Spidey's history) and combine them into something... not horrible.

And it does look like Gwen was a red herring. Kept making you think she'd snap up until the middle of the last comic. Out of nowhere she snaps back to a normal person that stops blaming Spider-man for what some guy she knew wasn't him did.

Teenage girls ... can't live with them, can't enjoy high school without them.

[freakazoid_x]

I liked Darkhawk and Carnage.

Kletus Kassidy's name was dropped in Ultimate Spider-man several issues back when he was at the Bugle looking up information on The Black Cats father. Kletus Kassidy's name showed up there.

I am really really excited for the return of Carnage and the possibility of an ultimate Maximum Carnage. Granted Ultimate Venom was sub-par but I was happy to see him, maybe Carnage can be the same way.

Also I didn't like the clone saga, but I did like the Scarlet Spider character, if a talented writer who doesn't feel the need to make 1,000 spider-clones running around can get his hands around the material then I say he has a fighting chance of making the clone saga work. Also Ultimate Peter with a soul patch is just a fun concept.

[Supes]

Also Ultimate Peter with a soul patch is just a fun concept

It was actually U. Eddie Brock that had the soul patch. Bendis has done good so far.... his Venom was a little .. ehh. We'll see though as it could end up good whenever Venom decides to inevidently come back.

[freakazoid_x]

Well yeah but 70% of the ultimate characters have had Soul Patches. A Soul Patch is what makes you Ultimate!

[Supes]

Originally posted by freakazoid_x
Well yeah but 70% of the ultimate characters have had Soul Patches. A Soul Patch is what makes you Ultimate!

Really?

(calls down the hall)
"Hey honey... I'm going to go fire up my razor... in five minutes be prepared to meet the Ultimate version or your husband."

Um... hold all my calls. ;)

[freakazoid_x]

Don't forget to put the letter Z in the middle of random words

Like Verzsion
Minuztes
Honizey

Then you will truly be Ultimate.

[Harvey_Dent210]

Where is a pic of Ultimate Venom Can someone plz send me a link I havent been reading ultimates at all

[ReZourceman]

Here ya go :

Ultimate Venom


http://images.google.com/images?q=Ultimate+Venom&ie=UTF-8&hl=en

[Wyldstaar]

Originally posted by freakazoid_x
Kletus Kassidy's name was dropped in Ultimate Spider-man several issues back when he was at the Bugle looking up information on The Black Cats father. Kletus Kassidy's name showed up there.

Minor cameos such as this are totally irrelevant in the Ultimate Universe. Eddie Brock made a similar cameo early in the Ultimate Spider-Man series. In his first appearance we never even saw Eddie's face, just his hands and chest. He was a Daily Globe reporter in an ugly blue and black checkered suit asking questions at Justin Hammer's press conferance back during the first Doc Ock storyline.

[JacinB]

Originally posted by Supes
The story is out....

At least a fair deal of the story.

Ultimate Carnage will be a clone of Peter's DNA done by Curt Conners. ... Saw that in the latest Wizard. We'll see if the magical Bendis can take both the Carnage story and the Clone Saga (both considered the lowest points in Spidey's history) and combine them into something... not horrible.

Sadly, my wild and insane prediction looks like it wasn't too far off. Instead of saving an abducted Peter from Curt Connors machinations, Ben Reilly will actually be Curt Conners machination out to destroy Perter.

Eh, it could be alright. It certainly couldn't be worse than the original Clone Saga.

So, here's my new prediction: The clone will start off nameless and evil. However, his evilness will be because of the symbiote rather than choice. By the end of the series, Peter will have beaten the symbiote and talked his clone out of being evil and the clone will want to start a new life for himself. He will choose the name 'Ben' because of Pete's dead uncle, and Reilly because of ... well, something else.

Now, give me a few months and see if I was right. :)

[dj_sha]

So let me get this straight: Bendis says he won't use classic Spidey villains like Mysterio and Vulture, but is using the Spider Clone AND Carnage in the SAME STORY? Wow. He must have some big cajones to do this.

[Redleg]

Forget the Ben Reilly/Conners stuff.

Just make Carnage a product of Doc Ock's severed tentacles and that lava/acid pit that Fury dumped them in. SHIELD trying to remove a super villain and accidently creating something more deadly? I know the idea is farfetched....

But it's the Ultimates....it COULD happen!

[Supes]

Actually no it can't... I've checked two different sources... (Spiderman Magazine and Wizard) and the Spidey Mag had a preview of the first appearance of Carnage.

Now here is something cool though.... seems our Mr. Baley the current penciler... was the man who first drew Carnage back in the day. His Ultimate version (he said) is basically what he wanted to do in the beginning, but the flat colors and inks of the time wouldn't have worked well with it. Now with Photoshop effects... he created a rather cool looking thing.

Oh yes... no Ben Reilly. It will be nodded to and then passed over. Another of Bendis (and the other U. Spidey creators: penciler, letterer, and etc) little inside jokes to the fans.

Sounds good so far... they say they are trying to make the original Carnage out to be a pansy next to this guy.

Should be fun. another 5 story arc... where the first time you see the dude is in part #3 and the big battle is in #5 and then a #6 for resolution.... gee, are we seeing a pattern yet?

[DrDoomDemands]

WOW i wasnt aware that anyone could actually hate carnage.
Carnage is one of the best marvel mofos out there! most villans have a plan and they give it a shot and they fail and then boo hoo its off to jail. Yeah ive heard that one a million times. Carnage on the other hand has one simple goal, slaughter as many people in as many random reasons just to put a smile on his face, and guess what?! Even when beaten he at least goes back to a maximum security prison with a feeling of accomplishment and a grin. Simple yes, Different yes, Boring nope, because he usually makes things different. like going thru a phone book looking up people with stupid names, telling them about it laughing in thier face then proceeds to wear them as a hat. Yes quite different from the norm. I even rooted him on when he was deciding on which eye he should have plucked out of spideys head. venom however is a misguided buffoon whos main goal is eating parkers brains. yup.... sounds like a canidate for the darwin awards waiting to happen. I do like venom though.
As for the ultimate carnage being gwen, nah i dont think so, they also rumored it could be (*cringe*) parkers clone ben reilly, which might be worse. Go read maximum carnage and get the USM taste out of your mouth.

[DrDoomDemands]

hey wadedeadpool i read that what if comic where carnage took over the silver surfer, that was AWESOME! futhermore the actual comic where it happens and he fights spidey was sweet too, happens somewhere around #430.

[dj_sha]

Originally posted by DrDoomDemands
hey wadedeadpool i read that what if comic where carnage took over the silver surfer, that was AWESOME! futhermore the actual comic where it happens and he fights spidey was sweet too, happens somewhere around #430.


Ahh yes, that was one of the first comics I ever got (yup, I'm a youngin'). Seemed awesome back then, but now it seems like one of the most ridiculous things ever. Course a Cosmic Carnage (that was his name, right? Or was it Carnage Cosmic?) figure would be great. Carnage with flight, a ranged attack, higher damage, invuln. and the power cosmic TA...

[soul man]

I totally agree with DrDoomDemands. I've always had a soft spot for Carnage and the Symbiotes in general. I have those silver surfer/carnage comics. I rather enjoy them but then again I used to really like Darkhawk so maybe my comics perception is skewed. but anyway just to get flamed.......CARNAGE IS THE BEST VILLAIN EVER!!!!





JK.....:p ;) :ermm:

[DrDoomDemands]

JOY! CARNAGE FANS UNITE! (followed by intense rioting) lol jk
the carnage heroclic looks awesome to boot