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<FONT SIZE="1"><P ALIGN="CENTER"><IMG SRC="http://www.realmworx.com/images/PiratesoftheSpanishMain.gif"><P>Prepare to weigh anchor and set sail for swashbuckling adventure with <B>Pirates of the Spanish Main</B>™, the world’s first constructible strategy game™! Created by game-industry pioneer Jordan Weisman, constructible strategy games use components assembled from styrene cards to create three-dimensional game pieces.<P ALIGN="CENTER"><IMG SRC="http://www.realmworx.com/images/Pirates_fleet2.jpg"><P>In <B>Pirates of the Spanish Main</B>, players make fleets of ships to sail to different islands looking for treasure. This booty is obtained in one of two ways: commanding your salty dogs to dig it out of the ground or sending your opponent’s ships to Davy Jones’ locker! Either way, game play is fast and fun, and the built-in damage tracking system makes <B>Pirates of the Spanish Main</B> the game of choice of wannabe-buccaneers everywhere.<P ALIGN="CENTER"><IMG SRC="http://www.realmworx.com/images/Pirates1.jpg"><P><B>Pirates of the Spanish Main</B> will include 230 different collectable pieces, including ships, crew, treasure, and famous (and infamous!) personalities. It will sell in Booster Packs that each contain at least one ship, island, and crew; a small six-sided die; and complete rules for play. Boosters will retail for $3.49, and they are guaranteed to contain more fun than a parrot with scurvy.
not to sure if i will get into this game, but it looks kinda interesting.
You would'nt be a eunuch now would ya?
redherringj
03/18/2004, 18:54
Finally, someone cashes in on the public's love for pirates.
Silver Lantern
03/18/2004, 18:55
I guess Creepy Freaks, Shadowrun, and Crimson Skies wasn't enough of a beating for them so they want MORE punishment. ;)
redherringj
03/18/2004, 18:56
How about a collectible constructable space pirates game... like Escape Velocity. You could upgrade ships, buy parts...
I'd buy that.
Psylockeslover
03/18/2004, 18:57
ummmmm.........okay.....:cross-eye
raging_madboy
03/18/2004, 18:59
i must have been asleep for months, its apparently april fools day
Im the dude
03/18/2004, 19:00
It could make a good drinking game. ARRR!!! need to take a shot of rum.
Beats those dumb stompy robots (MW). I didn't get into 7th Sea but those ships look too cool not to try. Can't see people collecting many though. Game will mostly be an excuse to do Long John Silver impressions. "aargh, Jim lad ..." etc.
Andrew
PsychoDBoy
03/18/2004, 19:06
Ahh, another game that will end up raising the cost of clix again in the future once it flops and Topps comes down on WK.....great.
The_Russian
03/18/2004, 19:13
Looks like a sad attempt to cash in on the popularity of "Pirates of the Caribbean." Wait a second, I thought I logged onto hcrealms.com...
GianSingir
03/18/2004, 19:15
I can't believe Wizkids, would stoop so low... :(
Jerry_Damage01
03/18/2004, 19:22
Aarrgh, all ye little swashbucklers want to play Pirates of the Carabe...I mean Spanish Main? What's that you say? No? Even if it is cheaper than Sportsclix you still won't buy it eh? Worth a shot Wizkids, but ye investment be swimming in Davy Joneses Locker on this one. Aargh!
admironheart
03/18/2004, 19:22
lets see...
Axis and Allies was Successful, but the sister game with wooden Buccaneer ships was a flop
Games workshop tried for years to keep thier small scale war ship game afloat...guess what it sunk!
I've seen others do down the drain too. Maybe someone should have dones some research into this first.
Wait!....I know my kids love the big toy pirate ships and play with them endlessly...I hope this game is not too complicated for the under 10 crowd. {errrr..what type of sturdy materials are the ships made of?} Ya thought so...more broken junk to throw in the trash....
Spend more time of research and development please with the successful game systems...just a request
wes
WHAT THE DUDE?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WHERE IS NINJAS OF THE SPANISH MAIN?
Gentlegamer
03/18/2004, 19:23
Arrr! This game do be intriguing to this member of the Pirate Clan! When do the little so called "ninja" pieces come out so we can stage canonade barrages on them! :grin:
Gentlegamer
03/18/2004, 19:24
Originally posted by thugit
WHAT THE DUDE?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WHERE IS NINJAS OF THE SPANISH MAIN?
The so-called "ninjas" of the Spanish Main could not withstand the pirates' barrage of canon and grapeshot!
Arrr!
Deadpool91
03/18/2004, 19:33
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Gentlegamer
03/18/2004, 19:50
No, that's Arrrrrrr!
Oh someone please get these people a vacation...I think they've lost it.
Ok they didn't get the Star Wars contract to make clix so why not a Sci-fi based clix (I'm not counting Mech as Sci-fi), some kind of classic sci-fi/fantasy like mageknight with laser rifles.
green_knight
03/18/2004, 19:50
Anyone see how cheap their boosters are? Holy free lunch, Batman! I'll totally buy these, and then have my heroclix ninjas fight them.
I may be the only person looking forward to this game, and I may be poor, but that doesn't mean this line is doomed...
aw crud.
What the FU....?
The demand for this loser of a game was where?
The surest way to fail at business is to over expand when the demand for your product does not meet your expansion....
What is wizkids employing the shotgun method to product development? Keep firing and something will hit?
JakeStone
03/18/2004, 19:54
This is the worst idea yet....and I didn't think they could sink any lower after Creepy Freeks. By the time these idiots are finally fired at Wizkids the cost of a HeroClix booster will be $19.99 to cover the costs of all these terrible games.
Maniac_nmt
03/18/2004, 19:54
I can't believe Crimson Skies got shelved for this (I mean, I love pirates, but Crimson Skies was already a pirate game, sheesh, plus the only Air combat game I've ever seen played).
proditor
03/18/2004, 19:54
I think the idea is interesting, but I was a huge fan of GW's Man O' War game. Still, the only thing that is going to hurt this game is the niche audience. Seven Seas did very well for a niche RPG, but no would even consider comparing the sales figures of it to say D&D. Seems to me a better idea would have been an MK Naval game. That way you have a bunch more "factions" and you could have much more diversity in terms of ships.
AlgertMan
03/18/2004, 19:54
now, i dont see problem, this looks real cool, i'd plop down 20$ on some stuff to try this
The big problem is that HC is the cash cow of the company and we are basiclly funding these failed games...you can see by the rise in cost of HC boosters.
crownroyal578
03/18/2004, 20:05
Apparently the extra dollar that we will be paying for Ultimates boosters was not allocated to market research. :grin:
This could be successful, but only to a niche market. I hope that they are not expecting an audience the size of HC, MW, and MK to latch on to this.....
I think it looks cool, I'll give it a try.
JakeStone
03/18/2004, 20:12
This is much better idea than paying the Alien vs. Predator licensing fee. Its not like there is going to be a movie out on that anytime soon....
Captain K.
03/18/2004, 20:17
While I don't see this game being successful, the upside is that it's not costing them much to make. Those styrene cards cost a mere fraction of what a mold for a figure costs, so this is a low-risk experiment for them.
Originally posted by Captain K.
While I don't see this game being successful, the upside is that it's not costing them much to make. Those styrene cards cost a mere fraction of what a mold for a figure costs, so this is a low-risk experiment for them.
Great point. You ever notice how every movie has its own set of trading cards that come out for it, that hardly anyone buys? Its because cards are cheap, so you don't have to sell many to make money. While styrene is probably more expensive then cardboard there is probably a greater profit margin in a 3 dollar pack of cards than a 8 dollar booster.
Plus Wizkids has already announced support for this game.
quixotequest
03/18/2004, 20:36
I have endless pirating games in my collection: Pirateer, Lost Treasure, Dread Pirate, Buccaneer, Broadsides & Boarding Parties and others. And for every one I own there are probably 2 or 3 others I could collect.
It's a fun genre with a soft spot in my heart--I bought the beautiful, pricey but boring Dread Pirate in a moment of weakness last year. Still, why did Jordan's game need to be published? The only thing that would make it any worse an idea is if it were a licensed Pirates of the Caribbean product. And punch out Pirate ships? If I'm gonna buy some #### game at least give me plastic (or wood or metal) bits.
skeevo666
03/18/2004, 20:40
This looks cool (& cheap enough) to give a whirl . . .
Originally posted by admironheart
Axis and Allies was Successful, but the sister game with wooden Buccaneer ships was a flop
For a flop game, "Broadside & Boarding Parties" sure goes for a lot on eBay (at least $70)
lukebuchanan
03/18/2004, 20:54
And I would have tried it if it wasn't about Pirates....:ermm:
I'll cut all your HEAD'S OFF and FLIP OUT!!!!!
Luke B. an island unto himselt
ohhh maybe there will be a johnny depp unique ;)
anyone else notice it looks like its completely playable out of a booster? no starters at all
it definetely has good niche potential and is cheap
RevOnline
03/18/2004, 21:15
They look suspiciously "build you own" - they certainly ain't the plastic figures every other game has got.
Cheap enough I might buy some...although to be honest probably not.
Thunderbolts
03/18/2004, 21:20
If by infamous and famous personalities they mean Monkey D Luffy and Captain Smoker, I will eat one of those ships.
Hey, Man O' War was good! Why is it all GW games that aren't core product are good? (See, Space Marine/Epic WAS core product for a while, then it died and they kept trying to rebirth it).
One way to lose money: do what wizkids is doing
spending money on stuff is supposed to payoff in the end is what wizkids needs to learn. i mean they cant have made a profit on these more stinky games can they...
or maybe weisman just spent too much cash on plastic cards on MageKnight and has a bit leftover too spare...:cheeky:
Originally posted by JakeStone
This is much better idea than paying the Alien vs. Predator licensing fee. Its not like there is going to be a movie out on that anytime soon....
Woo Hoo!! I can't wait til August!
Originally posted by green_knight
Anyone see how cheap their boosters are? Holy free lunch, Batman!
Well, from the look of the pics at Gaming Report (http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=12204&mode=thread&order=0) it looks like the "boosters" are packs of cards. It sounds like the ships and such are made of the same material that the MK relics and terrain are (plastic cards similar to a credit card with pieces that punch out). So it looks like your $3.50 is going to buy you a "pack of cards".
Capital"Joe"
03/18/2004, 22:42
The one thing I get tired of is having to lug all my fig.s around all the time when I want to play, then I began to miss the old days when I played cards and all I would have to carry was a binder with extra cards and a deck box. But I like miniature games to much to go back. but I really like the idea of having miniatures on cards that will hopfully be easy to transport and still being able to play a miniature game with them, al-be-it there is some construction involved but still it is a interesting idea.
Mister X
03/18/2004, 22:51
OK, does anyone else see both the announcement of "Pirates of the Spanish Main" and the posting of the Star Wars minis pics at Gamingreport.com as the death of WizKids? I'm thinking that this whole Crimson Seas...I mean...Pirates thing is a bad sign.....
Legion-of-Doom
03/18/2004, 22:55
To be honest, I think this is a cool idea, but the fact that they're snap together plastic/cardboard is going to keep me away from it, I collected Crimson Skies because I thought little detailed airplanes were a cool collectible, but how much detail can you get on cards ? I want little cannons pokin out of my ships sides. I want a little plank over the side. I want little shark fins to set up next to my ships, so I can hurl scurvy dogs off the plank to the sharks, then I'll shoot the sharks with the cannons and then I'll.............. Sorry, but I won't be buying build it yourself boats. If they were actual plastic minis, then maybe, but not like this.
Gacy's Clown
03/18/2004, 23:02
Ummm....*scratches head*....hmm...nope, not buying this at all (not that that would come as much of a surprise to anyone).
This looks like a pirate trap!
They should all have their Frigg N Heads cut off
I don't know how anyone can tolerate pirates after reading this...
Gacy's Clown
03/18/2004, 23:18
The popularity of Ninja over pirates is so mindnumbing, my head is gonna explode! Wonder why Wizkids doesn't see that?
I guess if we actually gave a ####, we'd complain about not having our own game...
Master Gian has already dubbed this Pirates of the Golden Shower.:laugh:
Silver Lantern
03/18/2004, 23:40
Over in MWREALMS, they are raving about this game because of the cheap boosters. I am not convinced, as I am sure you will need plenty to compete. I guess when you're used to paying $10 a booster, $3.50 seems like a blessing, but I think it's just a jedi mind trick on the part of wizkids.
I will say one thing in favor of Pirates of the Main: I love the building aspect of it. I love to build toys like Legos, it appeals to my creative and analytical mind. If this game has the same building novelty as legos it could be huge as it no longer just requires putting together an army, but actually "building" and then putting together your army.
Still, I am not a huge pirate fan, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Grundy22
03/18/2004, 23:50
If by infamous and famous personalities they mean Monkey D Luffy and Captain Smoker, I will eat one of those ships.
I know what you mean Thunderbolts, I will be buying this game immediately if Luffy or Zorro are part of the game.
savagedragon
03/18/2004, 23:59
It makes me sad. Every time they put out something like this, I keep thinking they could have put their time and effort into another Heroclix Booster set. It's been 2 years and still no Loki, Baron Zemo or Mordo, Namor, Executioner, Mad Thinker, Hellfire Club, Grey Gargoyle, 2/3 of the X characters, most Asgardians, Eternals, Alpha Flight, Inhumans, no Wizard, Trapster, Stilt Man, Cobra, hardly any Iron Man villains, Porcupine, Orca, High Evolutionary, Lizard, Mysterio, original Green Goblin (for goodness sakes), Swordsman, Batroc, Shocker, Owl, and on to hardly any of Flash's rogues gallery, Green Lantern Foes, no Doom Patrol or Metal Men or Challengers of the Unknown, few Legion of Superheroes or original JSA, no Metamorpho or Elongated Man, Mr Mxyzptlk, few Green Lanterns, no Ra's al Ghul, Chronos, Shadow Thief, Marvel family, Ocean Master, few Justice League or Justice Society opponents, few Legion opponents, and over on his website we had Eric Larsen saying he was perfectly will to put Savage Dragon and his other characters into Heroclix. There are enough high demand Heroclix to put together a dozen more expansions and still have people craving more figures. But our prayers have been answered. WE HAVE PIRATES.
I just hope this game doesn't put WK in even more hot water with Topps as it is...if WK goes down no more HC and I don't want HC to go...
GonzoDracus
03/19/2004, 00:12
Originally posted by Silver Lantern
Over in MWREALMS, they are raving about this game because of the cheap boosters. I am not convinced, as I am sure you will need plenty to compete. I guess when you're used to paying $10 a booster, $3.50 seems like a blessing, but I think it's just a jedi mind trick on the part of wizkids.
I will say one thing in favor of Pirates of the Main: I love the building aspect of it. I love to build toys like Legos, it appeals to my creative and analytical mind. If this game has the same building novelty as legos it could be huge as it no longer just requires putting together an army, but actually "building" and then putting together your army.
Still, I am not a huge pirate fan, but we'll just have to wait and see.
I think it won't work out like this. With Lego's you can build whatever your mind can think of (taking into account the physical limitations of the pieces) with this game, it seems you will recieve the specific pieces to build SPECIFIC ships. No imagination required.
Like pirates. No imagination/intelligence required.
Silver Lantern
03/19/2004, 00:16
That would #### Gonzo. The appeal to me would be if you could min/max your pieces and build piecemeal. Otherwise, it is a no go for me. :disappoin
pshhh, Galactus would totally kick those pirates' asses.
CarlosMucha
03/19/2004, 01:10
WT... Wiz Kids?? why you dont made more DC Marvel sets and stop that stupid things like Frekky Pirates and etc?? (with all respect that things are stupids) and we need more Marvan and DC sets! BTW were is Giant Man???
it is z-cards on steroids
billok55
03/19/2004, 02:05
Some one was smokeing the wacky tabacy when they let this game get designed. Not for nothing, but as a board game (meaning all the pieces come in one neat little box ) I'd say yes, but collectable pirate ships is just rediculous.
-=Bill=-
:confused: ??????
were people really screaming for a miniature pirate ship game????
This is soo not the way to do this....
hrm ..1 boosters seems to be everything 1 player needs ..so for like 8 dollars you should have enough for 2 players ..and assuming you can play this with multiple persons it seems like it could be a fun game to play when you have nothing else to do on a gaming night (if it's easy to play and doesn't take to long )..all you need is 1 booster each (if the things per booster are comperable that is, if it's as unbalanced as 1 person playing r clobering time electa and the other guy has V doom it's a totaly different story...)
i'll wait for some more info, but otherwise i'll go buy a couple of boosters for fun
spider_ham
03/19/2004, 02:43
More fun than a parrot with scurvy? Suuuure. And my name is "Stan the Man Lee." Read the signature, WK. Or walk the plank! Walk it!!!
playmobil
03/19/2004, 05:46
Created by game-industry pioneer Jordan Weisman..... <p>
hmm, if I were constructing an SAT question it would be<p>
Jordan Weisman is to "Pirates" as....<p>
a: George Lucas is to "Howard the Duck"<p>
b: Frank Miller is to "Dark Knight Strikes Again"<p>
c: Stan Lee is to "Stripperella"<p>
d: all of the above<p>
Plus Pirates
Plus cheap
Plus look easy enough
minus how do I carry the l#### things on public transport safely??????
andrew_G
03/19/2004, 06:36
The thing that gets me about this game (more than all the other things that get me about this game) is -
how repeat play unfriendly this game is.
We've all heard of/seen/got some of those Z-Cards things - at least most parents have seen their kids with them. Sure they are fun, put them together get a dinosaur or a ship or a car or... But after they are made they sit around for a little bit - and then they are simply trash. Bits fall off, bits get bent, they fall apart easily. If youv'e got a few, how on earth do you keep the bits seperate? you have to have little individual bags for each one. And I thought Heroclix were difficult to store and carry.
So as this game is a 'collectable' game there are going to be rarer cards. The made up ships would be almost impossible to sell, and the cards would dramatically decrease in value if they were made up. So what's the real incentive to get the rarer cards, or more to the point, play with them?
Writing this I've just had a thought - look at the pictures of the bigger ships. I bet you can't fit all of that one just one card. I bet in a pack you'll get something like :-
an island
a pirate or crew card
a small ship card
a bit of a big ship card
So you will have these odd bits of the bigger, better, must-have-to-really-play-the-game-properly ships. So the intent will be for you to buy and buy boosters looking for the 'mast of Blackbeard's ship' or the 'poop deck of Drake's ship' or the hell with it I'll just move on.
space_cowboy
03/19/2004, 08:25
I'm usually one of the biggest naysayers on the realms, but I'm willing to give this a shot. For $12, or so, I think it might be fun to play. The key is that there will be support for tourneys, unlike SR, or CF. As long as wizkids isn't thinking we're going to buy entire boxes of product, this might not be so bad.
Anyone even thinking about chasing down the whole set? Doubt it
the itsy bit
03/19/2004, 08:30
however much I loved Pirates of the Caribbean..
I for one will not buy this, it looks bad !
and as far as cheap boosters go, well sand is cheap too but if you take a shovel and try to sell it as gold it wouldn't work either now would it ?!
squirrelfarmer
03/19/2004, 08:52
Please Topps,
Stop insulting our intellect with a cheap pathetic game that looks like I would pull out of a cereal box for FREE. If this is the best attempt at bringing a favorite adventure to life, Please let it die in peace!!!
admironheart
03/19/2004, 08:55
The Buccaneers and Boarding Pirates may sell for a bunch on ebay, but it had a production life of 1 maybe 2 years.
Look at Conquest of the Empire and Buck Rogers. Flops
But CoE goes for $100-$200 for a complete game.
It is the rare OOP value that makes it so pricey. Hey I have die cast tanks made in the Soviet Union in the early 70's that go for $30 each and Disney banks made in 1971 only that are over $25 each.
The fact is that all these ship games fall short...Only Battleship had any staying power and that was for younger audiences!
The whole premise of Mageknight and Heroclix and others was to combine the success of instant play with miniature gaming without the time and skill involved for modeling and painting.
Miniature gaming is collectable in 1 part due to the inherent sculpture and the hobbyist that can mod or repaint them.
That segment of the market will not be drawn to this game.
So it is up to the CCG half of the market to hold this ship afloat. Bad sign when they market a game for only half of their market.
They should have just made a CCG set of cards to go after that market.
Wait...I doubt if anyone would buy a pirate CCG...so who do they think will play this game?
Answer me that...and don't tell me about you and your 1 pal who will play...what store, tournament, gaming club are going to gobble these up...multiply that by a thousand and they will break even...who else to find to make a profit??
wes
CaptainMarvel
03/19/2004, 08:55
I don't believe I even need to comment. You already know what I would say:devious:
Although I have heard that the Ninja expansion to this game will be really good.:p
spidey16
03/19/2004, 09:00
You have got to be kidding! Let me guess, people were screaming for a pirate game, right?? Wizkids needs to be concentrating on improving the products it already produces. Put out another set like Critical Mess in June and Topps will sweep everyone else out at Wizkids. You mean to tell me you can't put out a Civil War, WWII, or space type clix game based on the Mech or Crimson Skies systems? Why would a company want to make a game where you would want multiples of the same figure? That would make too much sense. Well, back to my Lord of the Rings collectible miniatures game.
I think this looks like a laugh.
Count me in. I can buy boosters far all me mate's birthdays. Everyone loves pirates!
But, when will it be out?
mattsolo
03/19/2004, 09:13
How do I score me some of that booty again?:eek:
mattsolo
03/19/2004, 09:15
I want the LE 5 toothless wench! :laugh:
Gacy's Clown
03/19/2004, 09:23
Originally posted by richks
Everyone loves pirates!
:rolleyes:
praxismmii
03/19/2004, 09:29
No one can ever say I'm a loss for words... but I can't think of what to say....
This is possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever seen!
I would think that WizKids learned that crazy things like the freaks which are creepy, the skies which are crimson and the runs that are shadowy were not the greatest ideas.
But of course a game about Spanish Pirates... now THAT'S a money maker right there!
I just want to believe this is all a joke and we'll have a good laugh about it in a few weeks.
squirrelfarmer
03/19/2004, 09:30
How about this one Topps,
Queer Eyes for the Straight Guy Clixs,
You could dress your boys up with different color schemes and play doctor with them. Alot of laughs for everyone.
Wait no how about the gaydar game with 300 cards and only one of them is gay you decide.
I love HC, but this game looks incredibly dumb and chintzy......
Clearly, they are enamored of this die-cut-credit-card thing. They show up in Mage Knight 2.0 as a significant game component. Now they are THE component in a major game.
How soon for HC accessories? Infinity Gauntlets, Ultimate Nullifiers, Kryptonite (insert noun), Giant Bat Lucite Map of Gotham City...
saw this quote from the link hair10 had and thought it was funny:
When I die I want to go in my sleep like grandma did. Not screaming like the other people in her car.
haha:eek: :grin: :p :grin: :eek:
chi_madnes
03/19/2004, 10:46
Originally posted by Silver Lantern
I guess Creepy Freaks, Shadowrun, and Crimson Skies wasn't enough of a beating for them so they want MORE punishment. ;)
who said INDY ????? :confused
oh well you can't blame em for tryin :rolleyes: :
Pyroxian
03/19/2004, 12:20
I think this looks like a fantastic game - I can't wait to play it.
Yarrr.
Steve
MarkFinn
03/19/2004, 12:32
Yeah, I am down with this. You whining little savages don't have to play if you don't want to. Snarky and pernicious, the lot of you...
HotSauce
03/19/2004, 12:55
Actually, the secret to success of this game will be the fact that you can "smoke" the ships.
Shield1776
03/19/2004, 13:06
But why is the rum gone?
chi_madnes
03/19/2004, 13:28
you know..... if they had a Jack Sparrow ( CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW) this game might be a bit more interesting
skeevo666
03/19/2004, 14:13
Originally posted by praxismmii
But of course a game about Spanish Pirates...
Either you're ignorant of history or never played any of the many Pirates video games, but the French, English & Dutch fought in the Spanish Main in addition to the Spanish ;)
Originally posted by praxismmii
I just want to believe this is all a joke and we'll have a good laugh about it in a few weeks.
Yeah, laugh about it while you're buying Galactus at yr FLGS. :eek:
Doc Savage
03/19/2004, 20:41
where's the link for potsmrealms?
stop it.
Gargantua
03/19/2004, 20:52
Well, I'm all for pirate-y things. I'll give it a go. Not like I need another drain on my resources, darn it. Pirates - superheroes - pirates - superheroes. Arrr! I'll take both!
Though it'll have to be pretty darned good to replace 7th Sea in my heart of hearts. Anyone here who drifted over from that game?
It might be a good game - who knows - and Pirates are certainly a good "game-source". I know at least 2 players in my games group who will HAVE to buy it - 1 cos it's ships, and 1 cos it's Pirates...
However, I tend to think it will do similarly to Creepy Freaks (Bad, Bad, Bad idea - poor figures - poor game design - why, why, why ??? - gibbers a bit - ), Crimson Skies (Great idea, Great game system, far too small a player-base - Shame, I liked it but couldn't afford it AND HC AND MWDA) and Shadowrun (Not my thing - not "into" Fantasy or Barbi sized figures - however, the figures were/are wonderful as collectors items - just not a big enough market I guess...)
...and my basic concern is that the Big Three games (MageKnight, which I don't have any interest in, but recognise is the company cash-cow) Heroclix (Hugely enjoyable - the best tourney friendly game around bar none) and MechWarrior DA (huge fan of the MW Universe, and anyway, Giant Mechs are GOOD - even though the system is open to tourney abuse by the Timmys) will suffer from resource-drain as money and r and d time is poured into another new release.
This is not Sportsclix (limited but guaranteed sales) - this is another step into the marketing dark unknown...
...and I want HC and MWDA to survive and prosper indefinitly.
I'm not sure this will help achieve ythose ends...
LoL
All the Best
Noman
Fools!
Can you not see the glory of what WK has wrought?
Something for AQUAMAN to do!
The Black Maiden sails up to a treasure, but,boom, Tempest TKs Aquaman in, who picks up a treasure chest and clops Captain Jack on the noggin for 3 base + 2, with knockback into the Gulf Stream!
Bring it on!
Seriously....
I can understand that many of you are not interested in this game. I am; could be fun, particularly if I can actually cobble together a way to integrate it with my aquatic 'clix.
Yes, I too would love for WK to drop all other lines and produce clix nonstop, because I won't stop buying until they've made Doiby Dickles, Proty, and Calendar Man.
But don't you think the sci-fi/fantasy geeks felt that way about MageKnight and Mechthingie? If they had had their way, WK would never have made Heroclix.
WK isn't "making stuff for you". They are creating what is, for most intents and purposes, an entire new genre of gaming. Their plan is clearly to have another variety in that genre that there'll be "something for everyone" (most everyone).
So you don't like pirates. Good. WK already has a product you're hooked on (if not, you wouldn't be reading this). They are looking to hook OTHER PEOPLE who like different things than you do. Ya can laugh at pirates (or cowboys or elven warriors or baseball players or, um, little roboty things), but those things do have appeal to some people; long-term appeal, because all those thing have been around in our culture even longer than comic books.
It ain't all about us, ya know.
I would trade every single non-Heroclix game in existence for ONE pre-crisis Etta Candy clix (woo-woo!). Thank goodness I'm not in charge at Wizkids!
I applaud them for their boldness in sailing into uncharted waters;
if WK weren't like that, there wouldn't BE Heroclix at all.
Manchine
03/20/2004, 10:17
All I have to say is Arrrrrgggg!
bladestalker
03/20/2004, 13:19
I saw the wizkids presentation and the pirates game. overall I like it. It could very well be a quite popular game. Not as sophisticated as HC to be sure but a lot of fun, very remeniscent of GW's old man o war game.
Well considering how Crimson Skies did, I think this idea will sink, but here's to hoping
The tokens and "scenery" look usable.
I'm not convinced by the ships.
But, as I play and collect HC and MWDA there is no way I can even consider buying Pirates. They don't pay us Teachers THAT much !
LoL
All the Best
Noman
Angry Salad
03/21/2004, 13:11
I've got an idea, let's scream and shout a product into the ground without trying it first.
Look, regardless of whether or not it looks appealing, it at least deserves a shot.
VampireHunterD
03/21/2004, 14:09
you knoiw what would make this game great? Giant boats with pirate figures too! Like each boat coudl be liek.. teh size of Galactus! then you could have ur bopat against there's and always have the possibility of getting in close enough to jump to the other ship and attack!
I only say this because I purposely had 1 child to keep the other bedroom as a game room, so i'd have enough rom to put a nice 10x10 foot table for teh boats on it. Would have been sweet!
I was kidding about this all of course, but i'ms orry I really don't see the draw to cardboard boats. Plastic yes! but cardboard no. They coudl have done somethingc ool if they were plastic and that's have a map with real water! that would be uber cool!!! roll the dice and dive down to the depths to find out what the result was. Pirates rock almost as much as superheroes, but there boats aren't nearly as cool as them individualy.
VHD
MarkFinn
03/21/2004, 15:43
Well, that's what Milton Bradley did with Broadsides and Boarding Parties (and to the chucklehead who pointed out earlier that no one bought the game, you're missing the point). The problem with that was that it was too expensive to produce. The cost of the two plastic ships and all of the li'l army men was tons more expensive than any of their other game componenets.
I think in keeping the laminated cardboard option viable, they keep the price down on what sounds like a nice beer-and-pretzels game. I'm more interested in the $3.49 price point than the case-load money sink that Heroclix has become (says the guy who has a case of DC on order even as he types this).
Low prices. Cheap, fun games. Pirates. Not real sure why there's six pages of kvetching about this game. Oh, yeah, HCRealms is full of trolls.
SinisterS
03/22/2004, 00:26
Arrr, capt'n we're sinking! (again)
No one believed me about MLB...I seriously want the R&D job at WKs at this point. Sheesh.
Originally posted by Noman I know at least 2 players in my games group who will HAVE to buy it - 1 cos it's ships, and 1 cos it's Pirates...
Make that 2 'cos it's pirates. :)
Ninjas are, like, so totally 80s. Grow up guys, it's the 21st century. Pirates are the future!
OK, Rich.
That's 2 cos it's Pirates.
Now, hey, what about a REALY big galleon in trade for a Nightcrawler !
Sorry to miss the Moloid-bash -
LoL
All the Best
Noman
:)
Pirates are good!
I used to play 7thSea and liked the high-seas setting a great deal, but grew tired of all the difficulties inherent in maintaining a RPG campaign.
If this game plays well, I'm hopiing for it to fullfill my buccaneer longings (whatever those are).
HeroClix is great, but I'm not inclined to turn up my nose at some gaming variety -- at least until I try the game.
DaLuvster89
03/22/2004, 13:26
I just threw up on myself.
Avast me hearties,
I beleive the ship has sunk before we even set sail.
Abandon ship!
Whos the Captain running this here Wizkids ship. I think he might be a bit daft.
Time for mutiny maties!
Basil Elks
03/22/2004, 15:56
Now if only we'd get a game called "Ninjas of the Orient"
MarkFinn
03/22/2004, 16:00
What a bunch of experts here on HCRealms.
You guys should be creating your own games, you're so clever.
How about a crossover with Heroclix: Johnny Alpha and Logan vs Captain America on a pirate ship. We could call the scenario "Mutie Mutiny" :)
Noman, I missed the Moloid bash as well, I was in London. Moloids are cool and all, but women are cooler :)
mattsolo
03/23/2004, 09:02
Unless I can don my black mascara and run around the living room screaming "I'm Captn Jack Sparrow" I don't want to play. Oh wait.... never mind....:cry:
Originally posted by mattsolo
Unless I can don my black mascara and run around the living room screaming "I'm Captn Jack Sparrow" I don't want to play. Oh wait.... never mind....:cry:
Like you don't wear mascara and run around screaming in your living room anyways....
Now you're trying to act like you were pretending to be a pirate?
SinisterS
03/23/2004, 11:06
It's not so much that we're "experts" (what really makes one an expert anyways) but I think we're generally experienced enough to know what game will be a success and what will flop.
Certainly I do not think that WKs is any more of an expert than the gamers here that have played games for over 20 years. Especially after their run of horrible decisions. Starting way back from Creepy Freaks. No wait it was before that. The release of Death From Above. That's about when I stopped buying MW and started selling every piece I had except the ones that I needed to win with.
Aometora
03/23/2004, 15:27
Today's new game is brought to you by the letter Arrrrr and the letter aaayyyyeeeeeeee.
Sorry.
I think it is worth a shot. Two boosters, I am out $7.00 if it doesn't pan out. I bought a handfull of Crimson Skies which looked really cool, but couldn't find anyone else who played. Shadowrun was a neat RPG and the figs intrigued me. I was able to buy 4 for $15 and they look great on my mantle (Street Preacher does a great Elvis).
Point is that it coldn't hurt to try it out. New markets open up all the time and nobody knows what the next great thing will be. Wizards brought to market and made successful the ground-breaking concept of CCG's. Gary Gygax thought it would be cool to make believe in your head with several friends that you are a wizard killing dragons. There is even this really stupid game that is running all over my area called BreakKeys that my nine-year-old loves. To me it looks like a total waste of money as you are left with junk if you lose a match, but kids were dropping $10 and $20 a shot on this.
If it takes off great. If it doesn't, at least this game shouldn't be as expensive to produce as CreepyGeeks and SportzCrud.
Super Chicken
03/23/2004, 22:12
Those ships would have to rate as the worst game miniatures I have seen yet! I am a maritime gaming enthusiast and the game potential here is a good one but is let down by what I have just seen. If Whizytopps were at all serious at makeing this game a winner, they should produce ship miniatures that are a truer representation of the period, not this tokenistic tripe on display. Well done Whizzytops another loser before it even hit the market place. So now MWDA HC and MK all have to take a price hike to subsidise this dribble.:disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin
KronoKnight
03/23/2004, 22:46
I freakin love this idea!I can see it now,My whole house turned into an ocean filled with ships and islands and every few turnstheres a huge tactical sea battle between 40 ships.For someone like myself who plays warcraft,risk and bough several model ships for high seas D&D ship to ship wars,this is a dream come true.Ahhh no more $50 on ships that take me a week to put together and paint.Altast the leviathan and its crew of vampires,skeletons and monsters will set sail again to terrorize the seas...Oh yeah I fullt plan on modifying some of the rules.Mabye throw in some sea monsters ya know nessie,the giant squid a few sea serpents and mabye even a megalodon.Just the idea of gettin a bunch of cheap lil boats to battle with is amusing.
MarkFinn
03/24/2004, 00:48
Originally posted by Super Chicken
Those ships would have to rate as the worst game miniatures I have seen yet! I am a maritime gaming enthusiast and the game potential here is a good one but is let down by what I have just seen. If Whizytopps were at all serious at makeing this game a winner, they should produce ship miniatures that are a truer representation of the period, not this tokenistic tripe on display. Well done Whizzytops another loser before it even hit the market place. So now MWDA HC and MK all have to take a price hike to subsidise this dribble.:disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin
Here's a thought: maybe it's SUPPOSED to be a cheap, fun little game and not an accurate representation of ship to ship combat circa the age of the fighting sail.
Beer and Pretzels. If you're stressed about these pics, I submit that this is not the game for you. However, it doesn't mean it'll ####, it just means that you won't enjoy it. You see the difference? It's subtle, but less jarring and irritating.
skeevo666
03/24/2004, 05:09
Originally posted by MarkFinn
Beer and Pretzels. If you're stressed about these pics, I submit that this is not the game for you. However, it doesn't mean it'll ####, it just means that you won't enjoy it. You see the difference? It's subtle, but less jarring and irritating.
What I love are the people who have taken "a slap in the face" from Wiz Kids for various imagined slights don't see the irony of condemning a new game before they've tried it . . .
Super Chicken
03/24/2004, 20:30
To reply to MarkFinn's coments!
I gave my opinion of what I thought about what I saw and I saw alot of "CARP". The figures are very dull and plain and considering the quality of design in the year 2004 very dissapointing compared to what could have been achieved if a little more effort was applied, these figures are very much like those from a boardgame called "Trafalgar" that was around in the early 80's. Whizzytopps looks to me like they are getting shabby and lazy, they give me the impression that their logo is a license to print money and if its put in a box just anyone will buy it, cause "THEY" made it... How patronising is that. Look mate if you are not fussy about what you spend your money on, then this is the game with the visual appeal for you. To me it is the game with the look of "cut corners for cost saving" a game that is destined to be "still born"
To apply my time to answering skeevo666:
I don't mide giving my opinion and condeming a game before I play it. I have played hundreds of different games in my life, I am 40 years old and have been "war-gaming" since I was about 12, I believe I am experienced enough to judge a game from "first impressions"
To both:
The whole point of a company putting out a press release is to get opinions from the market place they are selling in.
If they released it and all the comments were bad it would tell them that they have to either shelve the idea or go back and do more work. If the get the thumbs up from say 75% or more then they know they are on a winner.
I was giving my honest opinion about what I was given to judge and I saw a lot of rubbish miniatures in an age that requires a whole lot more.
The Games Workshop game called Man-O-War had iconistic miniatures that looked 10 times better than this stuff, The ships in this game look more like 1820-1900 period rather than 17th -18th century which was the romantic "Pirates of the Spanish Main".
Whizzytopps, go back to the drawing board and the public library and try again.
MarkFinn
03/25/2004, 00:50
...I think you're thinking WAY too hard about this game. It's a pack of cardboard for $3.50. Sounds like a fairly minimal investment for quick and dirty ship to ship combat. Maybe you're a little too close to the source material, and as such, you aren't quite who they are aiming for.
They look like ships to me. Call it a failing on my part, but I see no problem with them. Again, we're talking about cardboard punch-outs for $3.50 retail. It's pop cultural pirate ships.
I also suspect you have a couple of axes to grind. "Whizzytops," indeed. Methinks thou doth protest too much...
Originally posted by MarkFinn
...I think you're thinking WAY too hard about this game. It's a pack of cardboard for $3.50. Sounds like a fairly minimal investment for quick and dirty ship to ship combat. Maybe you're a little too close to the source material, and as such, you aren't quite who they are aiming for.
They look like ships to me. Call it a failing on my part, but I see no problem with them. Again, we're talking about cardboard punch-outs for $3.50 retail. It's pop cultural pirate ships.
I also suspect you have a couple of axes to grind. "Whizzytops," indeed. Methinks thou doth protest too much...
They aren't cardboard but styrene (like a credit card).
MarkFinn
03/25/2004, 01:17
Whatever.
Meanwhile, back at Heroclix....
I'm looking forward to using the "Shipclix" as props in an Aquaman-based game.
But does anyone know of a board from an existing game that would be usable as an all or mostly water map for Aquaman and his finny friends?
Super Chicken
03/25/2004, 04:37
I may be too close to the source but at least I am objective, rather than just a blind camp follower that sings the praises of a company no mater what tripe they produce. I don't care how much it costs or what its made of, thats beside the point. If you want to sell a game based on Pirates of the Spanish Main then atleast make the ships look the part.
As it looks to me Whizzytopps went out to make "Pirates of the Carribean, The Curse of the Black Pearl" and ended up making "Cut-throat Island" instead.
MarkFinn
03/25/2004, 11:14
Actually, the problem with you being too close to the source material is that you AREN'T being objective, but rather as subjective as a subjective thing can be.
No one has to do anything they don't want to do. If I want to make a game called Pirates of the Barbary Coast and make all of the pirate ships look like modern-day hovercraft, then I can do it and no one has to buy it. Since when did a game's title insure any kind of accuracy on anyone's part with regard to research and development?
How about this: the ships are Iconic Representations of Fighting Sail craft, not actual historical representataions. They aren't SUPPOSED to be accuracte, but rather distinctive and fun. Will that settle your hash?
I think I'm actually going to PLAY the game once before I pooh-pooh it. Yeah, I think I like that better. I'll read the rules, throw some dice around, and make pirate noises before I make dour proclamations. If that makes me a "blind camp follower," then I'll take that label and run with it. I'd rather do that than take a look at a picture and say, "This $ucks! The ships don't look right! Gaaaaah!"
Super Chicken
03/26/2004, 02:26
Sorry my mistake I thought this was an independent website......... I had no idea it was fully funded by the Whizzytopps legal department.
So exactly how much do whizzytopps pay you to come to their defense on this thread. I see its impossible to express ones simple opinion any more on this site without the likes of you come on and ram it aggessively back down any disenters throats.
I expressed my opinion..... I'm not expected to come to the defense of every single sentence I write....all the time every time!
I said I don't like what I see and thats my opinion thats all.
I expanded on why I don't like it from first impressions and implied that its a pity they didn't put a bit more thought into the look of the product. to make it a little more flavour some.... I would have thought it would be more to WK's interests to be a little more accurate
I suggested some changes that would "probably" make it more appealing to a more "discerning" customer base.
Your kind of pro WK defensive comments and attitude stiffle the whole point of these threads, you and that .... Rapierduel on the CSRealm that used to jump to the company defense all the time ..... say your not the same person are you????
Just back off and let other people have their own say, let it be positive or negative.
How would you like it if I replied directly to YOUR original pro comments about the game and directly attacked you saying you were completely wrong in every way about what you said. You would be totally outraged, wouldn't you? You would think it was totally insensitive of me, wouldn't you? Well thats how you make me feel with your now PERSONAL attack against me and my comments regarding my initial impressions.
skeevo666
03/26/2004, 04:20
Originally posted by Super Chicken
Sorry my mistake I thought this was an independent website......... I had no idea it was fully funded by the Whizzytopps legal department.
Haven't read any Galactus threads, have we? :grin:
and are you sure you're not trolling for fight by continually refering to the company as "Whizzytopps"? :rolleyes:
MarkFinn
03/26/2004, 11:14
Originally posted by Super Chicken
I expressed my opinion..... I'm not expected to come to the defense of every single sentence I write....all the time every time!
(A) You're on HCRealms, aren't you? Shrillness is encouraged.
(B) If you don't want to have to defend every single sentence you write, then maybe you should consider how you say the things you say.
Let me give you an example, culled from your own posts: "As a long time naval wargamer with far too many hours spent studying various ships, these little styrene doo-dads just don't do it for me. Inaccuracies abound! Understandable, since these are punch outs, but still not enough for me to give up my full-scale wargame habit for another collectible game system."
Had you written that, even with little smiley faces, no one would have blinked an eye and you would have come off sounding like one of the more learned naysayers in this thread.
I said I don't like what I see and thats my opinion thats all.
I expanded on why I don't like it from first impressions and implied that its a pity they didn't put a bit more thought into the look of the product. to make it a little more flavour some.... I would have thought it would be more to WK's interests to be a little more accurate
I suggested some changes that would "probably" make it more appealing to a more "discerning" customer base.
See, that may have been what you THOUGHT You were doing, but that's not how it read. Nor was anything you wrote in your post helpful, especially given that these designs are already in production and it would cost them even more money to s#### them and go back to R&Dsolely on the say-so of "some guy on the HCRealms board." You see what I'm saying?
Your kind of pro WK defensive comments and attitude stiffle the whole point of these threads, you and that .... Rapierduel on the CSRealm that used to jump to the company defense all the time ..... say your not the same person are you????
Just back off and let other people have their own say, let it be positive or negative.
I think you meant "stifle."
Actually, the point of this thread was to announce a new product line for WizKids, and a line that was based on some pop culture trends and utilizing a new kind of playing piece. It looked a lot like a press release, not a chance for strangers to lob rocks at it. But hey, things get pretty heated on HCRealms all the time. The company knows how rabid its fanbase can be.
Bottom line, if you don't like people questioning your opinions, then mayb you need to rethink the WAY in which you are representing yourself. You're a grown man. Try acting like one.
How would you like it if I replied directly to YOUR original pro comments about the game and directly attacked you saying you were completely wrong in every way about what you said. You would be totally outraged, wouldn't you? You would think it was totally insensitive of me, wouldn't you? Well thats how you make me feel with your now PERSONAL attack against me and my comments regarding my initial impressions.
Feel free to attack "This looks like fun. I like pirates. I'll give this a try, at least." Go for it. I can back up every single one of those statements. Tell me that my liking pirates is stupid. Call me a retard for thinking this game might be a fun little beer and pretzels amusement. Ridicule me for trying their new game. I can take those slings and arrows. I know that every time I type a word into this website I'm painting a target on my head for the Trolls to try and hit. You ain't the first, and you won't be the last.
And yeah, keep calling it Wizzytops and people will keep insisting that you're spoiling for a fight.
ReignsEternal
03/28/2004, 14:36
I would guess my only question is when is the release date?
I know about 85 people personally that still play Man O War
by GW, I own Wooden Ships, Broadsides, and about 20 other
ship games, none of which are completely accurate, some of
which are laughably unrealistic. BUT I for some reason love
to play boat games and for about 7$ I will be able to buy 2
boosters and try this game out. Sounds like a deal to me &
I hope its fun. If not, maybe I'll alter the rules a bit until it
is fun.
Lastly, can't we get a moderator to chill out the argument
above? I don't mind reading through pages of posts, but
these are rather going nowhere. All I would say is that if I
didnt like Monte Carlo's, I wouldnt spend a minute of my time
at a site devoted to them trying to push how bad Chevy is.
mdaecher
04/25/2004, 13:24
I have to laugh at comments on how the ships are not very realistic - as if the houses, hotels and other game pieces from the wildly successful game Monopoly are icons of realism!
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