Marvel/DC Battles: TEAM Tournament Of Champions: Round 1, Match 5

[DTM]

Another Great and Long standing battle, but in the end the Legion Of Super Heroes #1 defeated the XMen #1, and they advance to Round 2 (SO FAR, further votes on this and ALL Round 1 battles are still counted until the END of Round 1)

For our next battle, we have Marvel vs Marvel, Canada vs the US of A.....er....sorta. Without further adieu, I give you:


ALPHA FLIGHT VS. AVENGERS #2


Alpha Flight – Puck, Sasquatch, Guardian, Shaman, Northstar, Aurora, Snowbird

Avengers #2 – Wonder Man, Warbird, Hawkeye, Wasp, Crystal, Spider-Man


As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.

Randomly Chosen Area:


Plains – Basic open area, a few trees and bushes, minor hills, plenty of grass, etc.


Thanks all, and enjoy.

And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.


TEAM TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS


ROUND 1

Jusitce League #1 VS. Justice League #3: Justice League #3
(Steel, Metamorpho, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Rocket Red)

Titans VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Marauders VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)

X-Men #1 VS. Legion Of Super-Heroes #1: Legion Of Super-Heroes #1
(Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Garth Ranzz (current form), Brainiac 5.1, Chameleon, Ultra Boy, Apparition)

Alpha Flight VS. Avengers #2: ??????

[Q99]

Hmm... I need more info on Alpha Flight, but I'm leaning towards the Avengers. Wonder Man and Warbird is a lot of power to deal with, and the rest of the team isn't exactly scrubs either.

[Rando]

I also need Alpha Flight info, I'm only passingly familiar with Northstar and Sasquatch.

[oogie56]

This one could be really close(like the other haven't been), but the main people I look at here are Northstar and Wonder Man. Alpha may not have the raw power to take out Warbird and Wonder Man, but the Avengers can't handle Stars speed. Spidey could also be an unknown factor. I am going to have to go with the Avengers here.

[DTM]

PUCK

PuckEugene Milton Judd

Fighting: Incredible
Agility: Remarkable
Strength: Good
Endurance: Excellent
Reason: Typical
Intuition: Excellent
Psyche: Excellent

Health: 100
Karma: 46
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 5

Known Powers:
None

Talents:
Tumbling, Acrobatics, Occult Lore, Languages, Martial Arts B,C,D, Detective/Espionage
Spinning Attack: Puck can charge an opponent with Amazing ability inflicting Excellent damage. He also counts as dodging while making this attack.


SASQUATCH

Sasquatch IDr. Walter Langkowski

Fighting: Remarkable
Agility: Remarkable
Strength: Monstrous
Endurance: Amazing
Reason: Remarkable
Intuition: Good
Psyche: Remarkable

Health: 185
Karma: 70
Resources: Not Applicable
Popularity: 0

Known Powers:
Body Resistance: Remarkable resistance to physical and energy damage
Leaping: Unearthly
Claws: Remarkable edged damage


SNOWBIRD

Snowbird Narya

Fighting: Excellent
Agility: Excellent
Strength: Incredible
Endurance: Amazing
Reason: Typical
Intuition: Amazing
Psyche: Monstrous

Health: 130
Karma: 131
Resources: Typical
Popularity: 5

Powers:
Shape-Changing: Showbird is a metamorph, capable of assuming the form of any animal found in the Canadian Arctic. When she changes, she takes on the creatures fighting, Agility, Strength, Endurance and other abilities. These creatures include:
White Owl
Fighting: Excellent
Agility: Remarkable
Strength: Good
Endurance: Good

Flight: Excellent
Claws: Good


Polar Bear
Fighting: Remarkable
Agility: Good
Strength: Excellent
Endurance: Remarkable

Swimming: Poor
Claws: Excellent


Sasquatch
Fighting: Remarkable
Agility: Remarkable
Strength: Monstrous
Endurance: Amazing

Claws: Incredible
The Sasquatch form leaves Snowbird susceptable to psychic attack; her Psyche drops -1CS every round (minimum Poor) she maintains this form.

Flight: Snowbird can fly without changing shape at Excellent speed.
Post Cognition: Snowbird has the ability to see events that have occured upto six hours before with a successful Psyche FEAT. A red FEAT means that events upto 12 hours can be seen


GUARDIAN

Guardian James MacDonald Hudson

Fighting: Excellent
Agility: Incredible
Strength: Remarkable
Endurance: Excellent
Reason: Incredible
Intuition: Good
Psyche: Excellent

Health: 110
Karma: 70
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 0

Known Powers:
Battlesuit:
Boost Agility and Strength to listed levels, without the suit they drop to Good and his health drops to 60.
Force Field: Personal force field of Amazing strength against Physical and Energy attacks. Guardian can however be slammed or stunned.
Flight: Shift-X, 50 areas/round
Energy Beams: Incredible force damage at 10 areas or a vortex of Excellent energy damage to all in 1 area at a 2 areas range.
Digging: at 3 areas/round or 2 areas/round when others must follow.
Transport: Guardian's suit has a special movement system which could manipulate gravitons to stop Guardian from moving with respect to the rotating Earth below. This gives him air speed ranging from Shift-Z (near the equator) to Incredible (near the poles). Regardless of speed, the movement occurs so instantaneously that it appears as teleportation to the naked eye


AURORA

AuroraJeanne-Marie Beaubier

Fighting: Excellent
Agility: Excellent
Strength: Typical
Endurance: Excellent
Reason: Poor
Intuition: Good
Psyche: Poor

Health: 66
Karma: 18
Resources: Typical
Popularity: 6

Powers:
Flight: Aurora may fly at Shift-X Speed. While in flight she has Good Body Armor.
Light Generation: Beaubier can generate light of Monstrous Intensity. Targets blinded by this light are -3CS on all FEATs for 1-10 rounds afterwards.
Non Detection: Aurora cannot be as a mutant, since those mental waves (psionic "signature" used by Professor Xavier, Cerebro, and Sentinals) are suppressed with Cl1000 ability. She registers as a normal human on mutant detectors.

Limitations: Jeanne-Marie is a classic case or multiple personalities. Two distinct personalities have already appeared, and she is currenly manifesting a third. The original persona, Jeanne-Marie, is shy, reclusive, prim, stern, and speaks English with a heavy accent. Her Aurora personality is more agressive, fun-loving, and adventurous. Her current persona is a mixture of these two (and leans towards Aurora), but stress may result in switching personalities (Psyche FEAT to avoid this effect). Jeanne-Marie losses the use of her Powers for 1-10 rounds upon contact with her brother, Northstar.


NORTHSTAR

NorthstarJean-Paul Beaubier

Fighting: Excellent
Agility: Incredible
Strength: Good
Endurance: Remarkable
Reason: Typical
Intuition: Typical
Psyche: Good

Health: 100
Karma: 22
Resources: Good
Popularity: 10

Known Powers:
Flight: Shift-Z airspeed normally limited to Good.
Multiple Attacks: for a total of Incredible damage.
Light Generation: Normally only when in contact with his sister Aurora, Northstar is able to generate Monstrous intensity light. It seems he is now able to do it even without Aurora.
Costume: Monstrous resistance to air friction and tearing


Hope youre all familiar with the Marvel RPG. :)

[Maniac_nmt]

I'm voting for the Avengers, and not just because I nominated them.

This team brings a good balance to it. Wonderman is about as beefy as you can get. Strength and durability wise he's right up there with Thor and similar types (he just doesn't have the other fancy powers a lot of the others do).

Warbird brings high strength, speed, durability, potent ranged combat, and superior combat training (even Captain America has commented on it). She's not a super powerhouse, but is about Iron Man level for strength and close on durability.

Hawkeye brings experienced leadership to the team, having lead the Avengers, West Coast Avengers, and the Thunderbolts at different times. He also has an arrow for every occasion (in fact in recent Avengers he puts a few through members of the wrecking crew). He is capable of rising above his failings when in a leadership type role.

Wasp brings flexibility and leadership as well. She not only can perform her shuper shrinking bit (which can get very very small, not just the size we all know and love), but now brings Giant Man's growth powers along as well. She can have a dual role as gigantic beatstick, or distractor/hit and run type.

Crystal brings powerful weather manipulation along into the bunch, but it's also manipulation that can be set in places as a trap (ie she can set a hurricane trap, so that hurricane winds will go off when someone enters the designated area).

Spiderman brings in experience, speed, stamina, and versitility. Plus few people play as well with others as Spidey does (he is an Avenger for those who might think otherwise, and has served on missions with various teams)

On top of that all these avengers are used to working together, and few teams match up to Avenger teams for team work, and ease of working together.

This isn't the A team with Cap, Iron Man and the rest, but it's not a team that will get beaten by the Canadians.

[DreadDormammu]

The two biggest wildcards in this tournament:

Shaman can do almost anything. If it weren't for him Alpha Flight would have no chance as Wonder Man is unstoppable. But Shaman could take him out with ease if he gets the chance.

Hawkeye. Stop laughing. If you look at Alpha Flight, you will see that physical defense is a weakness for their squad. Hawkeye is much faster reflexively than much of Alpha Flight and a couple of well-placed early arrows could completely set the stage for this battle.

Honestly, I still don't think magic users should be in this tourney. I have to vote for Alpha Flight because Shaman has the potential to beat anyone non-mystical in nature with trivial effort (remember him just shrinking someone to the size of an action figure and sticking him inside his extra-dimensional pouch?).

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Crystal brings powerful weather manipulation along into the bunchWait. What? Who? Isn't this Crystal the Inhuman? Since when can she control weather? I thought she was limited to the four basic elements: earth, air, fire, water.

[Maniac_nmt]

right, but she uses them for weather manipulation. In Air control and water control. In the past the avengers have used her to try and calm storms and such.

[Maniac_nmt]

also, Wonderman can convert himself into Ionic energy, that at least appeared to hard for Morgana Le Fay to control or stop.

[Rando]

I was under the impression that Crystal was the four basic elements as well, not weather. And unfortuantly I'm not familiar with the Marvel RPG, but thanks anyway DTM.

[Silver Ghost]

I'm giving this to ALPHA FLIGHT in a very close, hard-fought fight: ALPHA has 2 *big time* physical powerhouses in SASQUATCH and SNOWBIRD, they also have the superspeedster twins in NORTHSTAR and AURORA (although Aurora only flies super-fast), GUARDIAN's suit is pretty powerful, and SHAMAN is is *huge* wildcard as DreadD mentioned earlier - he can produce almost any effect out of his medicine bag, and is good to take down at least one power-house on his own (my choice would be to nail wonderman)...and don't laugh - but PUCK *is* a factor! His ridiculous pain threshhold and fighting skill are more than a match for Hawkeye (this is a guy whose body contained the spirit of the black-Razor for cripes sake! His Endurance and Psyche should be MUCH higher than listed values!)

But absolutely, positively no other bias here!
*Ahem* Note flag at left....;)

ALPHA FLIGHT for the win!:cool:

[DeonBeast]

Wow... this would be a TERRIFIC battle!

I'll say it would come down to which version of Alpha Flight it would be... If it is the James Hudson as Guardian version, I choose Avengers. If it is the Heather Hudson version, I'll go with Alpha Flight.

[Maniac_nmt]

i had originally though elements as well, and they describe them as elemental powers, but they've used her in the past to affect weather patterns.

[CaptainMarvel]

I have to say Alpha flight as well. I don't want to but I do.

Man what a battle. I am almost content on not voting. Wonderman is a beast of a character. But Alpha flight has too many options. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm voting Alpha.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I'm going to go with Alpha Flight

[dj_sha]

Avengers.

[Silver Lantern]

Avengers

[BigSoph]

Originally posted by DreadDormammu

as Wonder Man is unstoppable.



Except when getting whupped by Superman

Ironically of course, Shaman would represent a threat to Superman that Wondy would not (magic)

Back to the topic at hand...

The Avengers are a well knit team. Alpha Flight spends more time calming down enraged members, blowing themselves up or suffering from angst that would make the X-Men send sympathy cards

Only the Avengers would be worthy of the JLA

And besides, Spidey? PUH-Leeze!

Is he strong?
Listen bud, he's got radioactive blood
Hey, something wrong with your hearing?
It's been retconned into geneering

For those not in the know, geneering is short for genetic engineering

[Mastermind]

Gotta give this one two Alpha Flight in a very very close battle.

[oogie56]

Is it just me or are the team battles some of the most passionately debated of all of DTMs tournies thus far? Just an observation.

[techdog]

I am going with the avengers on this one. I think the open area is an advantage for Alpha Flight, but I also think with Hawkeye around and no where to hide from him, that he can be a dangerous factor. I see the Avengers getting to Shaman, eventually, and if they do, they should win. But, I am dying to see Spidey and Puck go round and round with an amazing display of tumbling and dodging, that would be awesome. It would be a good match, but in the end I think the Avengers take it.

[Nighthawk]

I too vote Avengers. Wonder Man and Warbird can keep most of them busy and either Hawkeye or Wasp could take out Shaman, who is, as everyone seems to acknowledge, a huge wild card. Alpha Flight has a chance to crumble between Sasquatch or Aurora going crazy or Northstar causing trouble.

Another thing, if the battle takes place outside Canada, kiss good-bye Snowbird, doesn't she?

[Bannerfan]

I pick avengers.

[Swiftspeedster]

hey DTM, could you post some non Marvel RPG stats cuz I have NO idea what that really means, I mean how does (remarkable stand up against excellent they mean pratically the same thing) how about putting their stats into what you clix form would look like (this is HCrealms isn't it) or something (or you could just post a link to some info somewhere I guess). Thanx for a great job you do though.

[Swiftspeedster]

arghh I meant what their clix form would look like to you sorry that was kinda confusing

[proditor]

I'm voting Alpha and not just because I nominated them. Shaman is a serious wildcard here, and Guardian's suit has many many options beyond fly, blast and tunnel. Having the speedsters is also a huge advantage and allows them to neutralizer folk like Hawkeye and Wasp. Since this is not the depowered twins, they also have the flash attack option to buy them time. Honestly though it comes down to No Captain America means no huge tactical advantage for the Avengers. Yes, Jan and Clint are great leaders, but they aren't even close to Steve. The Alpha Team has the ability to engage and either tie up or outright neutralize opponents on this particular team.

Sasquatch vs. Wonderman: Regardless of what the OHOTMU says, Sas is very very firmly in the class 100 range since in his first aoppearance he THROWS a 100+ ton jetliner. THROWS IT. Not just lifts. Both of them are resilient to damage and this one will be going on a long time.

Snowbird vs. Wasp: Powers of a metamorphing, superstrong demi-god trump Pym particles most days.

Hawkeye vs. Northstar: CLint is fast, Jean-Paul is just soooo much faster. One "Hundred blows in a one second" and they are mopping him off the ground.

Crystal vs. Aurora: Same story as above. Given time Crystal is a force to be reckoned with. She just isn't going to get any.

Warbird vs. Guardian: Both super strong, both are massively resistant to damage, both have shooty beams. This one goes on for a while.

Spiderman vs. Puck: Yes, you heard me right. Puck is a nasty nasty fighter who can tie up Spiderman just long enough for the one remaining player to come into the mix.

Shaman. He reaches into the goody bag and tha Avengers start dropping like flies.

My vote: Alpha Flight.

[Maniac_nmt]

well seeing as hawkeye has fought, and tends to beat speedsters in the past (he teams up with Quicksilver, and fought by his side for years, and has bested the speedster on the JLA duplicates that include Hyperion, aka superman, Warrior Woman, aka Wonderwoman, dr. spectrum, aka green lantern). I don't think he'll loose to a canadian speedster.

He's that good. Could a speedster take him, sure, but not more then 50/50 (unless your the flash, who now seems to be a being of limitless power)

Also, Wonderman has gone toe to toe with Hyperion and not flinched from Hyp's punches (also stood up to the massively uppowered Moses Magnum). I'm betting he can out mussle Sasquatch. Not to say the S'man is a wimp, it's just that Wonderman doesn't tire (the Ionic energy continualy replenishes him anymore).

Warbird has also outflown and fought down the new and improved War Machine (someone who beat the stuffing out of Iron Man through manuverability). WM ended up leaving before the flight was finished. (plus this is a park, which mean electricity, which apparently Carol can now absorb to super charge herself, which she did after crashing into a power sub station).

Puck would be a bit of a tumble for Spidey though. He's very nimble and strong, but he's fighting someone with more experience, and has that little edge to draw it out after a long fight.

Of course, this is if the Avengers went purely Mano a Mano, which they tend not to do. Sure power houses lock up enemy powerhouses, but the other avengers will chip in with each other from time to time as best they can, and that changes the pace of a fight.

[coad14]

i vote avengers

[malreux]

arg, had a long post and it decided I wasnt logged in and lost it. Synopsis was, really hard to fight two superspeedsters and versitile magic without similar forces on your team. My vote goes to Alpha Flight. If this Avengers did pull it off, I would actually see Hawkeye as being the swing factor

[Maximcards]

I'll go with the avengers...Spidey will be underestimated in this

[DTM]

Originally posted by Swiftspeedster
hey DTM, could you post some non Marvel RPG stats cuz I have NO idea what that really means, I mean how does (remarkable stand up against excellent they mean pratically the same thing) how about putting their stats into what you clix form would look like (this is HCrealms isn't it) or something (or you could just post a link to some info somewhere I guess). Thanx for a great job you do though.

Thanks SS. :) Sorry about not getting the Marvel RPG stats. If it helps some, I can list the Ranks, from lesser to greater, here so you can see what is what:

Feeble (2)
Poor (4)
Typical (6)
Good (10)
Excellent (20)
Remarkable (30)
Incredible (40)
Amazing (50)
Monstrous (75)
Unearthly (100)

Follow this chart, what what I gave out before, and youll have a much better idea of whos stronger, faster, tougher, etc.


Originally posted by oogie56
Is it just me or are the team battles some of the most passionately debated of all of DTMs tournies thus far? Just an observation.

And each of the battles so far have been VERY close, which is very unusual in the First Round. Looks like we really made this team list EVEN all around. Good going guys. :)


Current Voting Totals:

Avengers #2 - 11 votes
Alpha Flight - 7 votes

[DareDevil-fan]

Alpha flight takes this one, I think

[Gentlegamer]

Avengers #2

[Rokk_Krinn]

I'm voting for the Avengers here. Oddly enough, I think one of the key advantages they've got - and one that's being sadly ignored - is the Wasp.

This isn't HeroClix and Jan is more than a taxi. :) She is far and widely considered the best Avengers leader after Captain America. She's literally been doing this her whole adult life. She stands heads-and-shoulders (well, figuratively) over Hudson. Her power isn't insignificant either - she's fast, tricky to hit, fires energy beams that can punch through thick stone and she gains super-human strength as she shrinks (it's like a Hulk parody: the smaller Jan gets the stronger she gets; not saying she's anywhere near Hulk-strength but that teeny tiny Wasp packs a mean steel pounding punch :) ). I'm disappointed she isn't on the same team as Hank, but in this case it worked out great.

Other big factors: Wonder Man's raw power is huge, as is Warbird's. Carol is also a top-notch military officer and special squads operative, so don't just look at her as a typical flying strong blaster. Hawkeye isn't too far away from Jan in squad tactics and leadership and he's a versatile little bugger. Spidey is, well, Spidey. Going to be hard to lay a hand or blast on him. Crystal is, once again, power and versatility.

Alpha Flight is a tough foe, don't get me wrong. However, the Avengers aren't considered "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" for nothing. ;)

[DarthDoom]

one on one Spidey could take and alpha flight member.

[DarthDoom]

avengers get my vote.

[DarthDoom]

Originally posted by DarthDoom
one on one Spidey could take and alpha flight member. I ment any

[thedon09]

Avengers, the X-Men lost last round? That blows.

[Magnito]

Alpha Flight

[bluebeetle]

alpha flight!!!!!

[DarthDoom]

news from another thread..........X-men is ahead by 1 vote LOSH is behind

[UsagiYojimbo]

avengers

[ace]

avengers, no contest in my mind

[Numb Skrull]

Avengers can take this after a long battle. The deciding factor in this battle will be the raw powers of warbird and power man, and of course Spider man also has a lot to do with the victory. Alpha flight is good, but not good enough to beat the avengers.
AVENGERS win this!

[EJS]

Avengers Assemble!

[Laenan]

Avengers.

[Iceman425]

Alpha Flight.

Shaman is just too dangerous, and Puck is the most underestimated in this fight. I've got to say though that I love Hawkeye, and I think he'd be the one that swings this fight to the Avengers.

I see the twins giving the rest of this squad a break mid-way through the fight after taking down one or two of the opponents (Crystal comes to mind, Hawkeye, and maybe, maybe Jan). That will be a sacrifice though, and take them from the fight. This should give Sasquatch, Snowbird, and Guardian enough time to put a serious hurt on Wonder Man and Warbird. That doesn't even touch on Shaman. Puck has a huge tendency to go towards the ranged attackers of the other squad, usually the Canadian version of the "Fastball Special", cause Sasquatch loves to toss the dwarf. However, he bounds like the best of them, and even without Squatch tossing him he's got a good chance of getting to Clint. Hawkeye training his eye on the little man could be a mistake though, especially if he needs to worry about N-star as well. IF Spidey comes in to help out with Puck, freeing Hawkeye up then Puck has done a bigger job, neutralizing two out of 6 Avengers all by his little lonesome self.

Spidey will be the last one standing, or not groggy, and he is a force to be reckoned with. However, I don't think he'll be underestimated at all.

There are a couple of things that may have changed this for me. Stick Quicksilver on this team and it may be a new ball game, especially with his beloved on the battle field. Pietro is a very intelligent speedster and he could've swung it the Avengers way. He might've taken out Shaman before this thing got started......but, he's not here......someone who could exploit Aurora's psyche would be big as well.

I hate to vote against a team with one of my favorite characters (Hawkeye, how can you not love him) and one that I really really respect, but I see Alpha Flight pulling this one out. Bad draw for the Avengers.

[SteveRogers]

Avengers

[SteveRogers]

BTW, are the Avengers #1 in it? And does that include Cap?

Thanks.

[Grundy22]

Avengers, although it will be a long drawn out fight.

[Macho Man]

avengers win with total team work. Puck will be the last one standing cause the rest of the team will be fighting with themselves. wasp will be the punch nobody expects and if sasquach is on hulk level of power [I don't think so or even close] then he has to go. and my favorate wildcard and it looks like the most of the HC tribe agrees.....Spiderman

[GoldenAge]

Alpha Flight!

This Avengers team can handle almost any situaltion... but not this one.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Hawkeye's great with the ranged attacks while Wasp and Spiderman just tie up the brutes. Spiderman can easily take on these guys going 'all defensive' leaving them open to the bolts of hawkeye. I vote for the Avengers.

[Iceman425]

Wow, everyone is plugging away at Hawkeye, saying that he is quality and that he'll be picking Alpha Flight apart. C'mon, I said it earlier. I love Clint, but he will not have a chance in this match-up, not to be the big hero.

Folks, Alpha Flight has a mage, a speedster, three powerhouses (Snowbird, Sasquatch, Guardian), a master of agility who packs his own punch.......the just match up really well against this version of the Avengers.

All of those folks that are jumping on a stating Avengers immediately, take a step back and seriously look at what they are dealing with.

Shaman-Definite Wild-Card. Put someone on the Avengers that can get to him quickly and he doesn't play a huge part, but with the Avengers getting wrapped up by AF taking it too them won't allow that.

Here is how ALPHA FLIGHT tangles up with the Avengers:

Sasquatch- He would lose to the Hulk, but so would Wonder Man. That's a good match-up.

Snowbird- Shape changer, can turn into a lesser Sasquatch, but that's not her only capability of form change. There are many many options....birds, beasts, mythical creatures....she's a force.

Puck- Hugely underestimated this battle. Could bum-rush Hawkeye on his own be thrown by S-quatch. Great agility, little target, packs a mean punch.

NORTHSTAR- He's big in this battle, his super-speed gets him to the back line of the opponent to dispatch one or two of them. (Crystal, Wasp, Hawkeye) Then he joins up with Aurora to stun the remaining Avengers. Takes himself out of the battle, but gives the rest of the squad time to shape up.

Guardian- Force Shield is the Booster Shield of Marvel. Plus the flight and force blasts. Sound familiar Warbird??

Alpha Flight is also a well-oiled machine, patriots of their country and extremely family based and oriented. Twins, Father/Daughter (Shaman/Snowbird), best of friends (Sasquatch and Guardian).....sounds an awful lot like Avengers/Fantastic Four mixed, and that is a good thing.

Honestly take a good hard look at Alpha Flight folks. Peek at my other post earlier, and some of the well thought out votes as well.

If you still disagree that's fine, but just don't hop on and vote for the team with the name recognition.

[Iceman425]

Originally posted by Macho Man
avengers win with total team work. Puck will be the last one standing cause the rest of the team will be fighting with themselves. wasp will be the punch nobody expects and if sasquach is on hulk level of power [I don't think so or even close] then he has to go. and my favorate wildcard and it looks like the most of the HC tribe agrees.....Spiderman

I have to disagree with the Total Teamwork comment. This is a mish-mosh Avengers squad. Wasp is a leader, Warbird is as well, so is Hawkeye. That could haunt them, 3 leaders and only 6 troops, one of which rarely is in a team like this. Add to that, that this is not a regular line-up (unless I am mistaken, and if I am, please tell me a 15 issue run where this group ran together) of the Avengers whatsoever.

C'mon folks. Alpha Flight is about as tite-knit a team as you'll see in this tourney. Can they go down? Yeah, definitely.

Would they go down to this tossed Avengers salad. No way!!

Too many cooks in the kitchen for the Avengers, and too tight a squad for them to try and get their stuff together in the first round.

[spidernate]

wow this has been a great F'n tourney DTM. usually every first round fight is a blow out but there has been some good fights here.
That being said I think that the Avengers are gonna take this one. Wonderman will be too much for anybody on Alpha to handle. The biggest wildcards here are Spidey, Hawkeye, Shaman, and Northstar. It'll be a good fight but I honestly think that Alpha flight is just too out classed.

[Iceman425]

Originally posted by spidernate
wow this has been a great F'n tourney DTM. usually every first round fight is a blow out but there has been some good fights here.
That being said I think that the Avengers are gonna take this one. Wonderman will be too much for anybody on Alpha to handle. The biggest wildcards here are Spidey, Hawkeye, Shaman, and Northstar. It'll be a good fight but I honestly think that Alpha flight is just too out classed.

Any one on Alpha Flight? Why not any two? I don't think that Alpha Flight is gonna send one person to go toe to toe with Wondy.

However, you are mistaken if you think that Sasquatch can't hang with Wonderman for a little while. I know Wonderman has flight, but I have seen Sasquatch handle flyers on a regular basis. Leaping and tossing....great combo, don't sleep on Sasquatch he's a big hitter as well. Toss in Snowbird or Guardian and Wonder Man might be hittin' the ground sooner than you think.

[UsagiYojimbo]

Originally posted by Iceman425
I have to disagree with the Total Teamwork comment. This is a mish-mosh Avengers squad. Wasp is a leader, Warbird is as well, so is Hawkeye. That could haunt them, 3 leaders and only 6 troops, one of which rarely is in a team like this. Add to that, that this is not a regular line-up (unless I am mistaken, and if I am, please tell me a 15 issue run where this group ran together) of the Avengers whatsoever.

C'mon folks. Alpha Flight is about as tite-knit a team as you'll see in this tourney. Can they go down? Yeah, definitely.

Would they go down to this tossed Avengers salad. No way!!

Too many cooks in the kitchen for the Avengers, and too tight a squad for them to try and get their stuff together in the first round. I see no mish mosh.....wasp is the leader and everyone else on the team know there respected rolls.It just seems to me that they are just out classed. Avengers and Spider man > > > >WOW

[DarthDoom]

DOOM WOULD CRUSH BOTH TEAMS.......BAH

[Iceman425]

Usagi,

You're right man, two Brand Names like the Avengers and Spider Man can't possibly lose in this popularity contest......

Here is the thing man. You said that Wasp is the leader and everyone else just sits comfortably in their rolls. Well, tell that to Hawkeye and Warbird who are both extremely confident (borderline cocky with Hawkeye) folks and leaders of their own squads at one time or another, and Spider-Man (who is an Avengers reserve, and barely ever used in a team setting) who is primarily a loner.

I'd like you to please site a time where this particular unit was around for at least 10 issues together. Which would be enough time to settle into their "rolls".

This could be an impressive Avengers squad, but they are just one tool short man, and haven't been together in this formation long enough to really settle into working like a well oiled engine.

Just because the Big AVenger and Spidey names are being thrown around does not mean that this mish-mosh (meaning=Avengers not accustumed to fighting side by side, thrown together, not cohesive), can overcome an excellent team that know each other inside and out.

[Macho Man]

Originally posted by Iceman425
Usagi,

You're right man, two Brand Names like the Avengers and Spider Man can't possibly lose in this popularity contest......

Here is the thing man. You said that Wasp is the leader and everyone else just sits comfortably in their rolls. Well, tell that to Hawkeye and Warbird who are both extremely confident (borderline cocky with Hawkeye) folks and leaders of their own squads at one time or another, and Spider-Man (who is an Avengers reserve, and barely ever used in a team setting) who is primarily a loner.

I'd like you to please site a time where this particular unit was around for at least 10 issues together. Which would be enough time to settle into their "rolls".

This could be an impressive Avengers squad, but they are just one tool short man, and haven't been together in this formation long enough to really settle into working like a well oiled engine.

Just because the Big AVenger and Spidey names are being thrown around does not mean that this mish-mosh (meaning=Avengers not accustumed to fighting side by side, thrown together, not cohesive), can overcome an excellent team that know each other inside and out. chill iceman.....you should cool down this ain't life or death its tourny of champs.

[DarthDoom]

unofficial count Alpha Flight 12...Avengers#2 24

[proditor]

Without getting overly passionate about it, Iceman 425 is right about the teamwork aspect. Heck, it was even brought up in the Avengers comic when they shifted the lineup and Cap of all people was in charge. (About 20 issues or so ago? Right before/during the Triathalon thing). They were barely winning against less experienced enemies that they outnumbered. Scarlet Witch had to pull Steve aside and point out to him that just because the team was arguably the most powerful the Avengers had ever fielded, that didn't mean they knew how to work together.

Dunno if that will factor in for anyone, but heck if Cap couldn't make it work at first, then honestly, Jan and/or Clint do not have a prayer.

[DarthDoom]

DOOM WILL CRUSH BOTH TEAMS WAH HA HA HA

[DarthDoom]

Originally posted by DarthDoom
DOOM WILL CRUSH BOTH TEAMS WAH HA HA HA DOOM AGREES WAH HA HA HA:cool:

[Iceman425]

Originally posted by Macho Man
chill iceman.....you should cool down this ain't life or death its tourny of champs.

Sorry if that last post seemed heated, I was just explaining my thinking. These discussion boards are for just that "Discussion", and I was just discussing why I felt AF was being slighted.

Besides, you said it yourself, this is tourny of champs....just trying to make sure that we figure out who the true champ should really be.

[green_knight]

Based on what I've read about Apha Flight, and DTM"s breakdown on powers and stats, it looks to me like the Avengers are facing:

3 SPEEDSTERS, one of whom basically teleports for all intents and purposes (Guardian is like a powerful Nightcrawler, with devastating attacks), a guy tough enough to hang against the Hulk, or Wonderman, a magician, and some wankers.

I vote Alpha Flight.

And Hawkeye would fall to Puck, and hopefully they'll both be wiped off the face of the comic world for being so annoying.

[CyberVenom]

Round 1:
Wonder Man takes dowan Sasquatch.
Warbird takes down Guardian.
Puck takes down Crystal.
Wasp and Shaman fight to a standstill.
Spider-Man takes down Snowbird.
Northstar and Aurora take down Hawkeye.

Round 2:
Shaman gains the upperhand on Wasp.
Wonder Man takes down Puck.
Northstar and Warbird fight to a standstill.
Spider-Man takes down Aurora.

Round 3:
Wonder Man joins Warbird, and they takes down Northstar.
Shaman finally takes Wasp down, but Spidey takes him down afterwards.

Winners: Avengers #3

[Manchine]

My Vote Surprisingly

Alpha Flight

[Maniac_nmt]

actually, since Warbird had her blow up with alcohol she's been a good team player. Plus Hawkeye follows orders well enough. All of these avengers have worked with each other fairly often. They know each other, and what they can and can't do.

They're hardly a mismatch team (Hawkeye, Carol, Wasp, Wonderman and Crystal have all served together, and spidey has joined up with most of them as well).

Not to mention Spidey is probably marvel's single best team player. I mean, good grief, he had 2 seperate title that he himself ran that were team up title for him (Marvel Team Up, and Marvel Tales, which later reprinted a lot of marvel team up).

Also proditor, if you were honest, you would also note that that was said when there were 40 avengers trying to tackle one lone Whirlwind, in a small confined area.

[DTM]

Current Voting Totals:

Avengers #2 - 26 votes
Alpha Flight - 14 votes

[proditor]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
]Also proditor, if you were honest, you would also note that that was said when there were 40 avengers trying to tackle one lone Whirlwind, in a small confined area. If I were being REALLY honest, I'd point out that Clint left the team an issue later and when he met up with the Avengers again 5 issues after that as the head of the Thunderbolts, they nearly beat the Avengers. And as was remarked in the fight, it was because the Thunderbolts fought like a team due to their intensive training and the Avengers STILL weren't doing that. I stand by my position that since this is an ad hoc team with no actual trianing time together, they would fall.

Edit: The only reason the Avengers didn'y lose that fight was that in comics tradition, they banded together to stop a bigger menace. Had it continued, the Avengers would have fallen. And that was a lineup that would have annihilated this one twice over in tewrms fo raw power.

[Macho Man]

If spider man wasn't popular then alpha would win and avengers would crumble boooo hoooooooo:cry: Stop whining allready

[BAKID]

Gotta go with Wonder Man and the Avengers.

[green_knight]

Spidey's a wanker. I vote for the other guys, unless I already did, in which case, nevermind.

[Iceman425]

Macho Man,

Thanks for living up to your Moniker and flaming some of the logical posters on this thread. Calling us whiners because we list a logical arguement as to how this fight would play out is a little over the top.

Calling us whiners for pointing out that "Spidey is da man, Avengers win" is not a logical reason to vote, then so be it. I guess I'm just a whiner. You reall are a macho man for pointing it out. Thanks.

I understand that popularity is gonna get the vote, it's happened before, it'll happen again. However, I am just hoping that someone who just blindly comes on this thread ready to vote for Spidey and the Avengers takes a beat and see's what Alpha Flight is all about.

These threads are great ways to not only have a good time, but learn about heroes, villians, and teams that you may not know much about. I'm learning a good deal from the Legion/X-men match-up, so pardon me for trying to let people know how capable Alpha Flight actually is.

[DarthDoom]

Originally posted by Macho Man
If spider man wasn't popular then alpha would win and avengers would crumble boooo hoooooooo:cry: Stop whining allready DOOM WILL CRUSH SPIDERMAN, ALPHA SPROUTS, WONDER BREAD and all who will stand in the way of DOOOOOOOM.......DOOM SMELLS YOUR SARCASUM and will meet you after school.............................SO DOOM MAY CRUSH YOU DOOM JOKES WITH YOU WAH HA HA HA HA:laugh:

[GreatArelius1]

Avengers for this one

[Grinner]

This is great! We haven't had a real blow-out yet.

Okay, so we've had some matches that have gone more on the popularity vote than the power vote. But on the whole most people are voting for who would win, not their favorites.

I've got to throw my vote behind Alpha Flight here. With the close-to-equal power levels I've got to side with the mage & the speedsters.

[SteveRogers]

DTM, when's this thing going to end? It's been awhile now and the Avengers have a 9 point lead on them.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by SteveRogers
DTM, when's this thing going to end? It's been awhile now and the Avengers have a 9 point lead on them.

It ends when the voting closes on the last match of the first round. So, since we have, I believe, another ten matches left in the first round this particular match won't close for quite some time.

[SteveRogers]

OK, thanks.

[Macho Man]

Originally posted by Iceman425
Macho Man,

Thanks for living up to your Moniker and flaming some of the logical posters on this thread. Calling us whiners because we list a logical arguement as to how this fight would play out is a little over the top.

Calling us whiners for pointing out that "Spidey is da man, Avengers win" is not a logical reason to vote, then so be it. I guess I'm just a whiner. You reall are a macho man for pointing it out. Thanks.

I understand that popularity is gonna get the vote, it's happened before, it'll happen again. However, I am just hoping that someone who just blindly comes on this thread ready to vote for Spidey and the Avengers takes a beat and see's what Alpha Flight is all about.

These threads are great ways to not only have a good time, but learn about heroes, villians, and teams that you may not know much about. I'm learning a good deal from the Legion/X-men match-up, so pardon me for trying to let people know how capable Alpha Flight actually is. I was in not calling every one whiners....just you

[Iceman425]

Well thank you. Once again, name calling makes you more of a man......

[Gambit266]

Alpha Flight.