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Another Great and VERY CLOSE battle, which still can go either way, but thus far Baron Zemo and his Masters Of Evil have taken victory, and will advance to the next Round.
For our next battle, we have YET another Marvel vs Marvel, Heroes vs Heroes (well, somewhat), the FF versus the XF. Allow me to present:
FANTASTIC FOUR VS. X-FORCE
Fantastic Four – Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk
X-Force – Cable, Domino, Warpath, Rictor, Shatterstar, Feral, Siryn, Meltdown
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Urban Environment - Some medium sized buildings, paved roads, possibly a few cars/dumpsters, etc.
Thanks all, and enjoy.
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TEAM TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
ROUND 1
Jusitce League #1 VS. Justice League #3: Justice League #3
(Steel, Metamorpho, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Rocket Red)
Titans VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)
Marauders VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)
X-Men #1 VS. Legion Of Super-Heroes #1: X-Men #1
(Banshee, Colossus, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolverine)
Alpha Flight VS. Avengers #2: Avengers #2
(Wonder Man, Warbird, Hawkeye, Wasp, Crystal, Spider-Man)
Defenders VS. Masters Of Evil #1: Masters Of Evil #1
(Baron Zemo, Goliath, Wrecker, Moonstone, Enchantress, Yellowjacket)
Fantastic Four VS. X-Force: ??????
spidernate
03/21/2004, 14:09
I would like to say that x-force stands a chance against the FF....
but they don't.
I'll vote for the FF
proditor
03/21/2004, 14:14
I agree with spidernate, this should be an FF win with style and panache. I bet somehow the X-thugs take it though.
My vote: The Fantastic Four
Manchine
03/21/2004, 14:15
My Vote Fantastic Four!
Hey, dont count Cables cut throat attitude and great leadership skills out so easily. XForce has alot of diverse powers, devices and attitudes, all working together with Cables military commando warfare style, I could see XForce doing pretty good, even against the FF. Especially with an extra 3 members on their side.
banshee12377
03/21/2004, 14:36
I'll vote for Fantastic Four
DreadDormammu
03/21/2004, 14:37
Fantastic Five
Vote:Fantastic Four
X-force doesn't have enough heavy hitters to go around here. Everyone on the FF except Human Torch has really tough defense, X-force has few truly powerful means of dealing damage. X-force is also composed of almost entriley a cast of people with powers and normal human means of protection which makes them easy prey for The Invisible Woman. FF might loose Torch in the battle, but that should probably be it.
Nighthawk
03/21/2004, 14:47
FF, they romp. X-Force has no fliers. Either She-Hulk or Thing will take out Thunderbird. Feral and Meltdown barely even count against the FF, really, so the numbers favoring X-Force are inconsequential.
The FF, who have an excellent chance of going deep into the tourney.
Aberrant
03/21/2004, 14:54
Fantastic Four are too much for X-Force. Cable is a threat, yes, but that would be realized and neutralized by Mr Fantastic quickly.
It all comes down to experience, power, and family ties. The FF win.
Silver Ghost
03/21/2004, 15:02
Fantastic Four, for all the above reasons - they manhandle X-Force!
...and of course I could never in good conscience vote for a creation of Rob "Evil Incarnate" Liefield.;)
i will vote for x-force. mercy! mercy!
warpath could keep she-hulk busy for a while.
syrin will take the fight to human torch
cable will pit his tk against invisible woman
rictor and meltdown will go against thing
domino, feral, and shatterstar tie up mr.fantastic
go x-force!!
(the above is totally a mercy vote)
Macho Man
03/21/2004, 16:52
Fantastic 4 gets my vote. I mean they have taken out foes from space and time even a surfer that was to powerful for this tourny.
Oh god end it now. FF all the way. ANd I am the X-men fan lol. This isn't even fair lol. I see the FF winning the whole thing.
The misnamed version of the Fantastic Four will win.
Maniac_nmt
03/21/2004, 17:22
Fantastic Four will whup the Xmen wannabes. Cable is the only ace they have going for them vs the FF. War path would get owned by the Thing or She Hulk. Most of the others might not ever even get off the starting block thanks to the Invisible Woman.
Older, more powerful, more experienced, better dressed (cad, someone saying those goofy lookin' blue jumpsuits look better, yeesh), and better teamwork. That'll take the gold everytime.
UsagiYojimbo
03/21/2004, 17:23
FF takes the win and could do so with out she hulk IMO. I see cable as the only threat for victory. as for the rest of the team "It's clobberin time":classic:
give the rest of x-force some credit. syrin could be a big threat to the ff. invisible woman force sheilds don't lock sound do they? if not, the syrin can take her out. rictor could also cause problems with his ability to cause earthquakes. he could stop thing and she-hulk from moving anywhere.
Jackygobang
03/21/2004, 17:47
I gotta go with the FF here....Rictor is kind of a wild card here, but Shulkie and Thing can just leap next to him and smash him up. Siryn might be able to incapaciatate the bruisers, but mr. Fantastic could so something clever with his eleasticity to bounce it back, or something.
Rokk_Krinn
03/21/2004, 17:59
Y'know, there's been talk about the power-levels of the various teams in some of the other threads. Here's the reason why power levels are so high: it's because it's all about the FF, baby. They're not only the First Family of Marvel, but they possess some incredible raw power - Sue Richards is easily one of the most powerful characters, DC or Marvel, in this contest - and frankly, some of the other teams in the tournament don't quite match them in that regards. X-Force is one of those teams that doesn't quite reach the FF. Do I tend to favour the FF a bit more than I should? Yeah, maybe but find me a single objective person about every single team in this tournament. ;)
Advantages of the Fantastic Four are huge here!
*Two of the best ground-pounders in the tournament (heck, the Thing is good enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Hulk for my money)
*The overlooked versatile powers of Mr. Fantastic. His pliability makes him absurdly hard to hurt by brute force, such as, oh projectile weapons and Meltdown's explosives. He can constrict multiple foes at once, even while he's stretching over his hands to dismantle one of Cable's cannons (c'mon, raise your hands if you'd love to see this in one of the comics. :) ). Oh, yeah, and then there's that brilliance factor but being this is against X-Force I'm not sure a five-year old isn't smarter than half the team. ;)
*The Human Torch may be the team weak-link in this fight due to his overconfidence, but he's still a highly maneuverable flying gun-platform who can also create flame constructs. There is only one real flyer on the whole X-Force team and, frankly, she's outmatched.
*Sue Richards - the ultimate wildcard in the tournament. Take all of the fuss about Brainy's force-fields in another thread and mix it with thoughts of Green Lantern, because not only does she have fields that are about as powerful as Brainy's but she's better with them. She can shape them any way her imagination pleases and she can form them from different points of origin (say, inside Domino's guns?). The first time Meltdown goes to chuck a "bomb" and it bounces back next to her and Feryl's feet, you can thank Mrs. Richards.
Yep, I'm blabbing but I'm just thrilled to see the FF get their due. :) Oh, and just to make it official: voting for the Fantastic Four!
shinigami0079
03/21/2004, 18:32
ff easily
too much raw power with thing and she hulk, rictor and siryn are the true wildcards for x-force yet there simply not enough to win it. reed will know of cable and at least recognize him as the major threat on x-force and cable while tough wont hang around long enough to take out someone significant
ff easily
just my 2 cents
well, were's a quick qeustion? HOWa re you gonna have an X- Force team without Cannonball? that just seems wierd to me. And as far as it goes, who knows? Guees it would depend on which teams book the fight took place in. After all, X-force hass beaten larger, and more powerfull groups than the FF before, and same with FF versus XF. though, just plopped down, with whatever thay have on em? I'd say x-force. Reeds abilities are mostly in his mind, NOT his fighting ability, so you can count him pretty much out. Syrin and shatterstar, using sonics alone could take out most of the rest of the ff, as they have NO defenses against that. AND as far as sue goes? well, doesn't Domino posses some kind of Luck power?
Mr_Clicky
03/21/2004, 18:52
FF = the winner
Rokk_Krinn
03/21/2004, 19:01
Originally posted by coad14
give the rest of x-force some credit. syrin could be a big threat to the ff. invisible woman force sheilds don't lock sound do they? if not, the syrin can take her out. rictor could also cause problems with his ability to cause earthquakes. he could stop thing and she-hulk from moving anywhere.
Siryn could be a threat until Sue forms a force-bubble inside Teresa's windpipe or around her larynx and, yes, Sue really can be that ruthless. Why do you think Dr. Doom actually believes her when she threatens the Big D? Not saying Sue would kill Siryn doing this, but IW would certainly have no qualms knocking out the sound-caster in this manner.
The Charlatan
03/21/2004, 19:03
Yetanudda vote for the Fantastic....Five?
I think you can just give it to the FF already, unless a huge number of fanatical X-Force fans show up real soon. Cable and Warpath are the only real threat to the FF, though Domino's luck manipulation will still keep the battle from being too one-sided... for a while, anyway.
I'm gonna have to agree with the hordes. The FF are just too much for X-Force to contain. FF by a lot.
DarthDoom
03/21/2004, 20:58
DOOM CANNOT GIVE A VOTE THIS TIME BAHHHHHHH
bluebeetle
03/21/2004, 21:02
x-force
go mercy vote!!!!!!
In Bizarro would, I would vote X-force.
However, this is not bizarro world.
Ladies and Gentlemen - out first blow-out match of round one!
Not to say that X-Force couldn't win. They certainly have the sneakiness, ruthlessness and wildcards to pull it off. BUT they don't have enough of an edge to win most of the time.
Yet another Fantastic Four (in the way HitchHiker's Guide is a trilogy) vote.
In Bizarro world, this great Victory for X-force and Cable!
Originally posted by DarthDoom
DOOM CANNOT GIVE A VOTE THIS TIME BAHHHHHHH
it should be obvious what team you would pick.:p
Dalandow
03/21/2004, 21:38
Fantastic Four
25-2 for x-force, i mean the ff:p
DarthDoom
03/21/2004, 21:41
DOOM knows but DOOM would never vote for Richards and DOOM also knows that X Force has no chance in battle with DOOMS foes.
SteveRogers
03/21/2004, 21:48
I'm saying the FF because they are all so close and they've been working as a team for years, I think they ave the up.
Gentlegamer
03/21/2004, 23:29
Fantastic Four
Jackygobang
03/22/2004, 00:11
I'm gonna say about the only team that can take out the FF in the marvel U is the avengers team that has Spidey. In DC, the JL with Firestorm and Metamorpho could probably take them. But really, the FF is the favorite here.
dying cause, but I vote X-Force,
only because they outnumber the FF
I dont know guys, I dont think XForce is getting the credit they deserve here.
Warpath is NOT Thunderbird from the old XMen. HE IS A POWERHOUSE, who has fought Juggernaut himself. (sure he lost, but who doesnt against HIM) I could see him certainly taking She Hulk, since Cables training has made him a better and more ruthless fighter, and even having a chance to take on the Thing, who while fights the Hulk, is certainly NOT in Hulks power level.
As mentioned, Siryn can effect Sue thru her force fields. And as tough as Reed is, due to his plasticity, he can be hurt by energy attacks MUCH easier, something Meltdown, Cable and Domino have LOADS of.
Cable also has loads of other weapons, low level TK powers, amazing fighting skills and battle tactics, and a teleportational device, allowing him to GET INSIDE any force field Sue makes, hitting her from the inside.
Shatterstar is a better fighter than anyone on the FF, and he can certainly use his swords beams to help Domino (and her luck powers) to take on the Torch.
And thats not even counting Rictor, who can topple the ground itself onto the FF, and Feral, a tough and FAST fighter with claws to match.
Im not saying XForce will win, but with their commando type fighting style, their borderline vicious attitude, and the fact that they outnumber the FF here by 3, (allowing double teaming to take out more powerful characters) I give them a pretty good chance all around to win here........actually, so much so, Ill vote for them myself.
Winner - XForce (and this is NOT a mercy vote)
Current Voting Totals:
Fantastic Four - 27 votes
X-Force - 5 votes
GreatArelius1
03/22/2004, 02:03
Vote for FF
this is closer than the votes make it out, but the ff will pull it out.
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:14
Invisible Woman seals FF in a dome and then uses her force fields or blasts to take out the mutant scum. Invisible woman is too freaking powerful to be taken down by filthy mutants lead by a liefield creation.
The Fantastic Four..........(They met god!!!!!)
Uh, ok. Nice to know were bringing out Rob Leifield hatred to bare here more than the actual comic characters themselves. :)
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:16
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DTM
[B]
Warpath is NOT Thunderbird from the old XMen. HE IS A POWERHOUSE, who has fought Juggernaut himself. (sure he lost, but who doesnt against HIM)
Cough.....Wonder Woman......Cough, Cough........
Darn Cold.......
HA, Wonder Woman would get CLOBBERED before she even had a chance to call for some JLA backup against ole Cain. Not even close. :p
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:18
Originally posted by DTM
Uh, ok. Nice to know were bringing out Rob Leifield hatred to bare here more than the actual comic characters themselves. :)
No, no hatred, just don't think someone or group created by Liefield could EVER beat a team created by Stan the Man and Jack "King" Kirby......
No hatred, nothing but love...........
Maximcards
03/22/2004, 02:18
sure i'll go with the X team....cause She Hulk makes it 5 not 4
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:21
Originally posted by DTM
HA, Wonder Woman would get CLOBBERED before she even had a chance to call for some JLA backup against ole Cain. Not even close. :p
Puh-leeze.....she wouldn't need any back up...more like cain would call on the filthy mutants for help, just to deliver unto them an butt whooping of massive proportions!!!!!:p :knockedou
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:23
Plus I could really see FF going all the way.......
Maybe even over the JLA........
Maybe.......
Diana CANT HURT Cain, its that simple, my friend. Shes just not strong enough. :)
Now, back to the battle at hand. XForce is coming back, I CAN FEEL IT.
Rokk_Krinn
03/22/2004, 02:24
Originally posted by DTM
Uh, ok. Nice to know were bringing out Rob Leifield hatred to bare here more than the actual comic characters themselves. :)
Now, now...play nice here DTM. ;) Let such comments slide off of your back (if only so there aren't the retaliatory "X-fanboy" comments).
Anyway, if it makes you feel better I imagine it's less dislike of Leifeld and more adoration of Marvel's First Family that does vote swaying here.
Oh, and to answer your question about Jug-head: the Thing beat him back in "Secret Wars II". Sure, it was special circumstances but all you asked was who beat him. ;) Ben may not be in the Hulk's weight-class but he's held the line against the Jade Goliath innumerable times (and rarely have we seen a decisive victor - something to consider).
Originally posted by skyounkin
Plus I could really see FF going all the way.......
Maybe even over the JLA........
Maybe.......
What about the valid reasons I gave for XForce winning here? They really do have a good shot, FF or no, comic team icons or no, Xforce, this XForce, lead by Cable, a Brilliant mind and leader, really have a great chance.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Now, now...play nice here DTM. ;) Let such comments slide off of your back (if only so there aren't the retaliatory "X-fanboy" comments).
Anyway, if it makes you feel better I imagine it's less dislike of Leifeld and more adoration of Marvel's First Family that does vote swaying here.
Oh, and to answer your question about Jug-head: the Thing beat him back in "Secret Wars II". Sure, it was special circumstances but all you asked was who beat him. ;) Ben may not be in the Hulk's weight-class but he's held the line against the Jade Goliath innumerable times (and rarely have we seen a decisive victor - something to consider).
Actually RK, the Juggernaut is the ONLY villian then Thing DID NOT beat. Juggernaut beat the crud out of him, after Thing losing his Mephisto enchanced powers, and Thing barely managed to TRIP Juggs, which was good enough to stop Mephistos plans. Thing would get KILLED by Juggernaut, making him more in line with Warpath overall.
TheUltimates
03/22/2004, 02:37
Yea...I agree with DTM. Juggy is to much asscanage for Thing to Handle.
I know Cable is good, but the other just kind of off-balance this. Im sure they could hold up. But Mr. Fan is off the scales for smarts, thats why i am voting for FF
TheUltimates
03/22/2004, 02:39
And I should now about Juggy...I AM JUGGY!
skyounkin
03/22/2004, 02:42
Originally posted by DTM
I dont know guys, I dont think XForce is getting the credit they deserve here.
Warpath is NOT Thunderbird from the old XMen. HE IS A POWERHOUSE, who has fought Juggernaut himself. (sure he lost, but who doesnt against HIM) I could see him certainly taking She Hulk, since Cables training has made him a better and more ruthless fighter, and even having a chance to take on the Thing, who while fights the Hulk, is certainly NOT in Hulks power level.
As mentioned, Siryn can effect Sue thru her force fields. And as tough as Reed is, due to his plasticity, he can be hurt by energy attacks MUCH easier, something Meltdown, Cable and Domino have LOADS of.
Cable also has loads of other weapons, low level TK powers, amazing fighting skills and battle tactics, and a teleportational device, allowing him to GET INSIDE any force field Sue makes, hitting her from the inside.
Shatterstar is a better fighter than anyone on the FF, and he can certainly use his swords beams to help Domino (and her luck powers) to take on the Torch.
And thats not even counting Rictor, who can topple the ground itself onto the FF, and Feral, a tough and FAST fighter with claws to match.
Im not saying XForce will win, but with their commando type fighting style, their borderline vicious attitude, and the fact that they outnumber the FF here by 3, (allowing double teaming to take out more powerful characters) I give them a pretty good chance all around to win here........actually, so much so, Ill vote for them myself.
Winner - XForce (and this is NOT a mercy vote)
Current Voting Totals:
Fantastic Four - 27 votes
X-Force - 5 votes
I don't think strength will matter at all here, so, no dice for warpath, plus Thing has the experience and would pummel him, thing has "lost" enough fights to have the edge over warpath.
I don't know if Siryns powers would work through Sues force fields, sure sound does, but that's because Sue wants it too, to my understanding.
Cable if he gets inside the force filed mores the pity everybody wails on him.....or if he manages too get inside and then hurts some of the FF -Ooooops, watch out now you have a very pee'od Sue, AND you are now trapped in her force field....with her. She would crush him like a ketchup packet.
Sure after you beat Torch (heck big deal I could beat torch) you still have the rest of the FF to deal with, plus I don't think Shatterstars swords could penetrate the things hide.
Rictor topples the ground beneth FF Feet, Sue just lifts them off the ground in a bubble.
Hoenstly the merc style fighting would help massivly if they were closer together starting out but- poof- they are 5 miles away plenty of time for Reed to devise 5 or 6 plans how to take down X-Force.....even by the time Cables teleporter would get them in close.
I really think Sue could take on X-Force by herself, She has the intuition and smarts to do it and her powers are just too.....powerful....Without Sue sure X-force would win.
But with Sue- FF.
Iceman425
03/22/2004, 04:07
I was a huge X-force Fan in the early 90's, and still have a soft spot in my heart for them. (let the insults fly people)
I think that X-Force would make it closer than a lot of people are giving them credit for.
However, X-Force was a pro-active militant mutant strike force. They aren't built to blatantly and openly take on the Fantastic Four in a poof style battle. Let X-Force know that they are gonna be taking on the FF tomorrow and they may just win this fight on a consistent basis. However, this isn't a plan ahead battle.
X-Force held their own against the MLF on a number of occasions in poof battles, but no one would compare the FF to the MLF. Not even X-freaks.
Before I vote I just want to say that Liefeld made plenty of mistakes in his day, but this team was great together. Warpath is being sold short, please show the man some respect. As much as I am not a Cable fan, he has a huge range of powers and gadgets, and he is a good field leader. He is more than capable of keeping his hothead youngsters in line.
That's more than the FF can say about Johnny on a regular basis.
Siryn and Domino are also great right-hand girls and voices of reason. Richtor and Shatterstar are both being underestimated as well. Cannonball is sorely missed here though, sorely missed, especially by Meltdown.
I would take these characters back in a second over the current "X-Force/X-Statix" crew that replaced them, and I hope what I've said above may create a little interest in this squad.
NOW, all that being said I have to put my vote to FF in this particular poofed battle. Give the X-Forcers a day to prep. and the Fantastic Four would stand a chance of falling. However, a poof and go battle would fall to the FF 7 out of 10 times.
Marvel's first family gets my vote.
Silver Lantern
03/22/2004, 04:13
FF
While it is probabyl irrelevant at this juncture here is some stuff:
I'm 95% sure Cable can't teleport into Sue's forcefiled or anywhere else for that matter. His bodyslides only take him to and from Graymanklin (or hewver you spell that), so to teleport into the forcefiled he would have to first goto his spacestation, which involves leaving the arena, and is therefore impossible.
While Banshee was before my time and so I don't have any examples for him I know for a fact that Siryn cannot breach forecfields. In an issue of X-force Trevor Fitzroy drops in to hassle them and neither Siryn, nor Ricter could breach the forcefield around his armor. Cable has to get them to modulate the frequencies of their attacks in unison in order to get through the forcefild to the armor itself, and even then he was only being staggered, X-force used trickery to beat him, it is unclear who would have won a direct confrontation.
Warpath is not even close to She-Hulk or Thing. He has been taken down by a single attack from Cable's weaponry (that might have been gas, but I"m about 75% sure it was an energy rifle), as well as a single blast of flame from one of the Externals (who I have seen no evidence of being able to produce attacks beyond the level of Human Torch).
Shatterstar and Feral's agility and fighting skill are probably moot against the man wave of Mr.Fantastic, in the Infinty War he effectively immoblizes about 4 or 5 martial arts fighters, one of which was Wolfsbane, who has demolished Feral in single combat before.
CyberVenom
03/22/2004, 10:29
No one gets the upperhand due to environment on this battle.
Round 1:
Human Torch takes down Siryn.
She-Hulk takes down Feral and Meltdown.
Thing takes down Shatterstar and stalemates Warpath.
Mr. Fantastic takes down Domino, and holds Rictor down.
Invisible Girl surprises Cable, and the two stalemate.
Round 2:
Mr. Fantastic continues to hold Rictor.
Thing and She-Hulk knock out Warpath.
Human Torch and Invisible Girl knock out Cable.
Round 3:
The Fantastic 5 takes down Rictor.
Winner: The Fantastic Four. Too much experience, too much power, too much teamwork.
DareDevil-fan
03/22/2004, 10:57
Fantastic Four in a landslide. Whats the next battle?
Gotta go with the FF in this one. They have to much ability and skill for Cable & Co.
Originally posted by skyounkin
I don't think strength will matter at all here, so, no dice for warpath, plus Thing has the experience and would pummel him, thing has "lost" enough fights to have the edge over warpath.
I don't know if Siryns powers would work through Sues force fields, sure sound does, but that's because Sue wants it too, to my understanding.
Cable if he gets inside the force filed mores the pity everybody wails on him.....or if he manages too get inside and then hurts some of the FF -Ooooops, watch out now you have a very pee'od Sue, AND you are now trapped in her force field....with her. She would crush him like a ketchup packet.
Sure after you beat Torch (heck big deal I could beat torch) you still have the rest of the FF to deal with, plus I don't think Shatterstars swords could penetrate the things hide.
Rictor topples the ground beneth FF Feet, Sue just lifts them off the ground in a bubble.
Hoenstly the merc style fighting would help massivly if they were closer together starting out but- poof- they are 5 miles away plenty of time for Reed to devise 5 or 6 plans how to take down X-Force.....even by the time Cables teleporter would get them in close.
I really think Sue could take on X-Force by herself, She has the intuition and smarts to do it and her powers are just too.....powerful....Without Sue sure X-force would win.
But with Sue- FF.
How does strength NOT matter in a bruiser battle? Its one of the MAIN things used. PLUS, Warpath is an EXCELLENT fighter, trained by Cable, a MUCH better fighter than Thing, so I think he could at least handle She Hulk by himself.
I dont think Ive EVER read Sue making her force field sound resistant. And if she cant, Siryn can KO her.
Cable wont need much time at all in Sues Force Field, just enough time to shoot Sue, which would be the one hed go for, and teleport back out. Easy.
Also, they are NOT 5 miles away, they are 1000 feet away in a 5 mile radius area. Reed is SMART, not doubt, but so is Cable. Reed is book smart, while Cable is street smart.....who would you rather have on your team in an sudden fight?
And again, Sue can be taken out by Cable teleporting into her Force Field, or Siryns sonic attacks going right thru them. Sue is TOUGH, but like so many others in this contest, against the right opponent, she can fall. Some of those right opponents are on X Force.
XForce is just not getting the credit they deserve here, powerwise or ability wise.
supermangl1
03/22/2004, 14:28
I agree with DTM X-Force is being way underrated here, (I think it's because of hate for Liefield is still running strong) But Cable is one bad dude, and X-Force is tough and willing to do what it takes. No one has convinced why FF would win, FF have lots of experience but Cable does too in this timeline and the future. Thing is tough, but so is Warpath. Shatterstar and Siryn could take Shehulk, Sue is hard to hit, but if someone did she done. To be honest I don't have respect for Human Torch, he could be much better then he is, he gets dropped quickly. Reed won't have time to invent a space-time-disruption-generator-negative-reverser-ray, so he's only as good here as his fighting skills. I will say X-force, because Cable and his group wouldn't mind killing one of them if he had the chance. IMHO.
my vote = X-Force
I think this would be a good match and fight, not holding back gives them the edge.
Well I'm be looking for my black ball PM any day now.
thedon09
03/22/2004, 14:35
Hey, I love X-Force, and always have, especially Shatterstar, but, Warpath take She-Hulk? No way. He could tie her up for a while, but he can't beat her.
Warpath is a better fighter, and is her equal in strength and endurance, I certainly see Warpath taking She Hulk, though not necessarily the Thing.
hmm.. i am going to vote for the FF, but with heavy losses.
Here's how i see it going down:
Warpath and Shatterstar do ye old "Fastball Special, groin high" on the thing, probably taking him out painfully and bloody. Shatterstar's swords have cut off Juggernaught's helmet before, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to pentrate Thing's hide.
After throwing shatterstar, Warpath and She-Hulk would duke it out until a standstill, until one of the other X-Force members (syrin, Rictor or Domino) blast her in the back of the head.
Domino would probably be able to take down Torch, I think she could predict his movements enough to blast him out of the sky.
Syrin, Meltdown and Rictor keep Sue busy while Cable blasts away at Mr. Fantastic, varing his firepower to not let Fantastic adapt or predict. Eventually, Mr. Fantastic will go down.
HOWEVER. once Sue sees Mr. Fantasic go down. she will get angry. very very angry. I really don't see any way for X-force to get through her shields, and seeing her friends get seriously injured or killed would make her snap. She would very quickly cut off thier air-supplies, shatter their weapons with forcefields, and generally make them all have a very bad day.
Hell hath no fury like a woman angered.
Maniac_nmt
03/22/2004, 14:50
actually warpath is no where near thing or she hulk power or durability wise.
He was compared to a very young colossus, and I think we can all agree that 'very young colossus' just can't hold a candle to the thing, or shulkie (who flattened thunderball when she punched him several city blocks). I mean, for pete's sake, Thing arm wrestles Thor, and spars with the hulk all the time. He definately has James Proudstar's number.
Plus neither shatterstar or feral are all that great. 1 hit, and 1 hit only will KO them (from either of the FF's bruisers). If Thing can lay wolverine out in one 'love tap' to the head, he can do it to either of these two without even trying.
Cable is the only threat this X team has to offer vs the FF.
thedon09
03/22/2004, 14:54
Well, DTM, I was wrong about the strength. I thought Warpath was close, but not quite as strong as She-Hulk, but they are equals, both can lift 75 tons. I looked it up. Learn something new every day. SO, he could possibly beat her. But, is he as tough as her? I still think She-Hulk would take him more often than not, but, they are equals. Remember, when CaptainMarvel and I got Genis kicked out the heavyweight tournament for being too powerful? At first you doubted me. I doubted you, and I'm wrong. Good job.
thedon09
03/22/2004, 14:57
Shatterstar always got the shaft writing wise, if you look at what he's supposed to be power wise, he should be able to at least tie up either She-Hulk or Thing.
In the Infinty Crusade Gamora comments that there was no way she could have gotten past Thing's attacks in order to attack him if not for the distraction Sasquatch caused, I don't think Shatterstar is gonna be able to deal with Thing for very long at all. For more quantification later in that same story Gamora and Wolverine fight to a standstill, Wolverine is only able to claim victory because Gamora gets distracted by Thanos blowing up The Godess's cathedral, while Wolverine doesn't. In Xcutioner's song Wolverine Beat Shatterstar single handedly with no assistance of any kind.
thedon09
03/22/2004, 16:25
Henceforth, my saying that Shatterstar gets the shaft writing wise.
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