Marvel/DC Battles: TEAM Tournament Of Champions: Round 1, Match 9

[DTM]

And back to our Very Close match ups we are, after the FFs slaughter of X-Force, with the Second XMen team narrowly taking victory over the Sinister Six.

For our next battle, we have ANOTHER MARVEL VS. MARVEL BATTLE.....werent there any DC teams in this contest? :p And THANK GOD, this one will HAVE TO advance a Team of Evil-Doers, since they apparently cant beat any team of Heroes here. :) So without further hesistation, allow me to present:


FRIGHTFUL FOUR VS. THE BROTHERHOOD


Frightful Four – Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man

Brotherhood – Blob, Pyro, Avalanche, Mystique, Destiny, Toad, Sauron, Phantazia, Mastermind, Unus the Untouchable


As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.

Randomly Chosen Area:


Mountain Forest - Large rocks/boulders, perhaps a mountain river/stream, plenty of trees, etc.


Thanks all, and enjoy.

And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.


TEAM TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS


ROUND 1

Jusitce League #1 VS. Justice League #3: Justice League #3
(Steel, Metamorpho, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Rocket Red)

Titans VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Marauders VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)

X-Men #1 VS. Legion Of Super-Heroes #1: X-Men #1
(Banshee, Colossus, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolverine)

Alpha Flight VS. Avengers #2: Avengers #2
(Wonder Man, Warbird, Hawkeye, Wasp, Crystal, Spider-Man)

Defenders VS. Masters Of Evil #1: Defenders
(Dr. Strange, Namor, Beast, Black Knight, Valkyrie, Hellcat)

Fantastic Four VS. X-Force: Fantastic Four
(Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk)

Sinister Six VS. X-Men #2: X-Men #2
(Phoenix, Gambit, Rogue, Archangel (metal wings), Havok, Bishop, Iceman (Pre Emma Frost))

Frightful Four VS. The Brotherhood: ??????

[oogie56]

I am going to take the Brotherhood on sheer numbers. The Four have some really strong guys in Blastaar and Creel, but Blob and Sauron are tough, Mystique and Mastermind are tricky, and Toad, Avalanche, and Pyro can all be tough to handle. They are just too much for the four.

[CaptainMarvel]

I'm taking FRIGHTFUL FOUR they are just too strong. Blastaar and creel can handle the personnel difference and the rest is just fodder. I feel the Brother Hood is just out matched.

[kamui]

My vote: Frightful Four

Come on, they have Paste Pot Pete, they're so going to win this one. He's the deciding factor for me :D.

[UberDT]

No, Botherhood for this one. As the arguement for last match with Mysterio, Mastermind can create illisions. Really good ones. Ones that prevent others from doing anything against them. Create illisions of the FF greastest fears, B-Hood stomps them. End of FF.

[GreatArelius1]

Frightful Four

[DTM]

I think one of the main weaknesses of the Brotherhood, is that while they have twice as many members, most of them are very easy to hurt, with Unus and Blob as really the only exceptions.

Mastermind and Destiny, though quite strong powerwise, are Very frail and weak physically. Meaning, even a bad shot or a missed attack could hit near them and be enough to really affect them or even KO them.

Klaw, Blastaar and Absorbing Man are all Very durable and strong, which makes up for the lack of members in their team.

Not saying the FF will win it just yet, just saying the numbers here are one thing, BUT who comprises those numbers is an even bigger factor.

[UberDT]

That's true DTM, but when one of your members can create realistic mental images which one cannot distinguish from reality, why would one even place himself in the line of fire? Not saying that the B-Hood is be all, end all team, but with the FF lacking any kind of telepath, it really does hurt them. Just ask Phoenix about that:)

[CyberVenom]

Round 1:
Sauron and Avalanche take down Trapster.
Wizard beaths Mastermind and Phantazia.
Klaw beats Pyro, but is taken down by Unus.
Blastaar beats Blob and Toad.
Absorbing Man beats Mystique and Destiny.

Round 2:
Unus beats Absorbing Man.
Blastaar beats Sauron.
Wizard beats Avalanche.

Round 3:
Unus takes down Wizard, but is knocked out by Blastaar.

Winner: Frightful 4

[Maniac_nmt]

something I think folks are missing here is Klaw absorbs vibrational and sound energy.

If Avalanche uses his power any where near Klaw you are going to get one supper duper uber powered Klaw real fast.

Plus most of the brotherhood like to talk just to hear the sound of their own voice, that will beef Klaw up alot too.

I'll put it down for the Frightful Four, partly because one of their members is only going to ramp way up in power when several of the brotherhood do their stuff.

[GoldenAge]

At first I thought that the Forest setting would greatly hamper Absorbing Man. Granite and/or other mountain rocks are hard to be sure, but not the same as refined steel of other metro materials. Then it dawned on me that he would have no problem reaching over to Klaw and touching his weapon. Since it's been shown that AM can become composite materials (a ships engine - not just its metal structure) we suddenly have an Absorbing Man made of complex metal with vibranium components. What will this do for him? I dunno. But it sure makes him more of a threat than if he were to touch a tree. Wizard's anti-gravity disks could be used by Creel. However, if Creel is actually stupid enough to become stone then Avalanche can actually disintegrate him... Bad news for the FF!

Question: How would a Wizard Anti-Gravity Disk work on the unmovable Blob?

The raw power of the Frightful Four is awesome! But the team play of the Brotherhood could.... maybe... counter some of that might.

Destiny will be of GREAT importance to the Brotherhood at the onset of this battle. Her quick predictions could allow the Brotherhood to stymie the might of the Frightful Four's first wave of aggression. However, once the battle ensues I don't see her being much of a factor.

Phantazia's the big question here. Her powers are too loosely defined. She's been able to shut down ALL of Cable's weapons and electrical systems... if only for a short time. She's been able to disrupt Cannonball's blast aura, She's been shot at point-blank range yet unaffected... WHO IS THIS GAL???????? Maybe that's why she was lost in limbo. Unfortunately for the Frightful Four she's here now... and causing tons of problems!

First Phantazia will virtually shut down Wizard and Trapster (maybe Klaw too) with but a moment’s thought by utilizing her EM powers against their many devices. Then, she'll go after Blastar, disrupting his blasting ability... maybe. If not there's her ability to create illusions and her ability to teleport herself and others around the battlefield. And no matter what Creed becomes Phantazia can simply turn off his neuro impulses forcing him into a coma. I HATE THIS CHARACTER!!!! But she's here and we have to deal with her.

In all honesty, Mystique, with the precog awareness of Destiny and the virtually limitless power of Phantazia could do this alone... maybe. But they don't have to. They have several others to help take down the FF - who, after Phantazia quickly eliminates everything Wizard, Trapster and maybe even Klaw can do, are really the Frightful Two. And that's not enough.

Brotherhood wins. :disappoin

[Maniac_nmt]

I doubt she would effect klaw, his only real weakness is vibranium.

He is a being of vibrational energy (ie sound) and not energy in the convential sense that say cable's gun or sam's blast field is (coulda been funny to watch the Fightful Four match up with Xforce/Xmen what with banshee and siryn needing to make sound to do anything).

That seems a little improbable, but the rest sounds plausible I suppose.

Can she really turn off nural impulses just like that at a distance though? If so we might need to consider booting her from the team.

[Maniac_nmt]

ah, and yes, kreel made from vibranium would be nasty. He could absorb most all the force from any attack made on him, would be wholly immune to everything Avalanche tried on him, and would be only slightly less durable then adamantium (at one point during a cap issue he touches cap's shield and copies it, and absorbs a bomb blast ment to level a huge chunk of new york city).

[DreadDormammu]

What the heck? How did we get a 10-man team in this tournament. I am voting Frightful Four just because this Brotherhood team should not be here. I am getting irritated by the lack of balancing here.

Anyway, Absorbing Man and Blastaar are too much to stop here. Yeah, that's it.

[Maniac_nmt]

of course, if it's antarctic vibranium then it also eats metal like water disolves sugar.

[coad14]

i don't think that she can do that. i would like to see pyro shooting absorbing man with fire. creel absorbs the fire, and is nnow a fire being. pyro can control fire, so he now takes control of creel, forcing him to attack his teammates.

blob is unmovable when he wants to be. he can take tons of punishment. he is reallyonly vulnerable to mantal attacks, or cyclops burning a hole through his shoulder:) .

with destiny's precog ability, she will predict every move the ff are making. mystique can shape shift and attack from stealth before anyone knows where she is.

unus projects a psionic "battle armor" that covers him head to toe. it protects him from almost everything. again, his vulnerable to mantal attacks, or something being formed inside his armor. i think klaw's powers will not be hapered against him though.

in this mountain range, pyro and avalanche are the bigget threats. pyro can light the forest on fire, and will then have a huge fire to control and turn against the ff. avalanche can lkiterally throw poeple off the mountain with his ability to cause earthquakes and such.

sauron could hypnotize anyone on the team, except maybe wizard and blastaar, their wills are too strong. but the others are easily controled.

i vote brotherhood.

[DreadDormammu]

There is no significant vibranium in Klaw's weapon. There is one part, the size of a bolt, in the center of the weapon made of Vibranium. Even if we presume Creel can absorb the full nature of a complex machine he would neither know there was Vibranium in Klaw's device, nor would he necessarily know what Vibranium does, nor would he know how it affects Klaw, nor would he be able to absorb the device and then somehow pull out his own Vibranium kidney to make use of it.

[Manchine]

Frightful Four! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is a tough one though.

Some of the exciting moments. Mastermind is the hard one to take out! Sure he's weak but he has complete control over his powers. Just think if Blob fought Absorbing Man. Klaw would tear up Pyro and Avalanche. Trapster would be of course the first to fall.

[coad14]

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
What the heck? How did we get a 10-man team in this tournament. I am voting Frightful Four just because this Brotherhood team should not be here. I am getting irritated by the lack of balancing here.

Anyway, Absorbing Man and Blastaar are too much to stop here. Yeah, that's it.

they got in because they are all comparitively weak on their own. it would take all of them ,plus magneto, to beat the fantastic four + she hulk. thta's why there are so many.

[bluebeetle]

THE FRIGHTFUL FOUR!!!!!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I'm going with the Frightful Four on sheer power.

They'll have a harder time dealing with Unus and the Blob, but I don't see them having much fight otherwise.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Blastaar is great with the tactics too. With his leadership and the raw power of the Klaw and Absorbo the Frightful four are a tough lot. And if Paste pot Pete comes out and says his name he will sure get the Brotherhood to laugh at him, then they get swept up by the sonic gun of DOOM!

[DareDevil-fan]

I feel like most of the others who have voted. the frightful four will win this one, There just to powerful to be stopped.

[Silver Ghost]

The Frightful Five are too much for the Merry band of Mutants, er, the Brotherhood I mean.

FRIGHTFUL FOUR (Five) for the win!

[GoldenAge]

You folks that are immediately voting for the Frightful Four need to rethink. Phantazia can do too much in unison with Destiny's predictions.

Reread my previous post.

I honestly would be cheering for the Frightful Four but I don't see them even having a chance.

- Pyro lights up the entire mountainside and controls it like a giant fire demon.
- Avalanche starts… well, an avalanche and disintegrates Creel if he absorbs the strongest and most abundant material in this arena: rock.
- Destiny predicts the entire fight even before the FF gets close.
- Mystique leads very well and with time and Destiny’s predictions makes the FF look bad.
- Mastermind creates virtual realities in the weak minds of the Trapster and/or Creed causing them to battle their teammates.
- Sauron’s hypnotic stare is NOT something to overlook. One glimpse and another FF is fighting for the Brotherhood.
- Toad could be quite frustrating for Klaw (or anyone) to deal with.
- Blob is a walking wall from behind which Mastermind can play his mind tricks.
- Unus is indestructible, and along with Blob would even confound the mighty Blastar
- And then there’s Phantazia:
1. She teleports herself and others
2. She can project illusions
3. With a thought she can render all mechanical devices useless (bye, bye Trapster and Wizard)
4. With a thought she can disrupt a person’s powers
5. With a thought she can disrupt a person’s neural pathways rendering then unconscious
6. She has displayed the ability to redirect attacks against her to…? - somewhere else, thus remaining unaffected.

Is she too powerful for this tournament? I don’t think so, but she’s right there at the top of the power levels with Dr. Strange, Invisible Woman and Firestorm!!!

Unbelievably, the Frightful Four (5) are not going to survive this battle.

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Blastaar is great with the tactics too.

I totally agree!!! But he doesn't have Mystique's advantage of already knowing what her opponents are going to do... perhaps even before THEY know.

[DreadDormammu]

I don't care. There is no way a 10-person team should be in this tournament. I will not vote Brotherhood.

[Jawapimp]

Frightful Four
just cuz.

[Laenan]

Brotherhood. For three reasons. Destiny, Mastermind, and Unus. Destiny can let them all know what's going to be happening, at least initially. Mastermind can and will project illusions into their minds; he shouldn't really have too many problems fooling someone rather low on intelligence and willpower, Absorbing Man, into attacking a teammate. Especially if he realizes that Mystique is a shape-changer. Finally, Unus can't really be hurt by Brute Force... at all. Can any of the FF handle him?

[malreux]

Are you guys kidding?!? TRAPSTER ROCKS! He killed Spiderman, and he could take most of the Brotherhood by himself! If Spiderman hadn't cheated with the lame captain universe powers TRAPSTER would have OWNED HIM! With his advanced intellect and powerful trapping abilities teamed up with his old friend the WIZARD and his antigravity disks there would be no stopping them!

[Rando]

I need more information on Wizard, and Trapster.

Mastermind is the perfect example of mental powers not being stopped by willpower. He has mentally deceived the entire X-men team before (a couple times in fact), many are high in willpower, all have mental defenses.

Don't everyone forget that Klaw can make sound constructs, he could even up the odds a little with those I guess.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Just a thought on Creel touching Klaw's weapon - why waste time becoming the metal when he can just touch Klaw and become solidified sound. Creel can and does mimic energy. He could also, conceivably, absorb Blob's corpulent mass or Pyro's flames or even the material of his wrecking ball. The man is far from limited in his choices. It's one of the reasons I was shaky about him making it into the tournament - he's fought whole power teams of the Avengers solo, as has Blastarr. :)

Someone asked what happens if Blob and Wizard's discs meet? I'd guess Blob doesn't move but eventually a chunk of the ground might go floating. ;)

Anyway, the sheer immense power - plus a far more brilliant leader (Mystique is cunning but, c'mon, this is the Wizard) - gives it to the Frightful Four. Besides, no joke, I think the Trapster is highly underrated. Ever check out his appearance in Spidey around the early stages of "Captain Universe Spider-Man"? The man has a _lot_ of cool tricks up his sleeve. :)

[Bannerfan]

Frightful four all the way creels the man

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
[Absorbing Man]'s fought whole power teams of the Avengers solo, as has Blastarr.I agree. I think the team balancing fell apart pretty badly in several places. :rolleyes:

[malreux]

Haha! As always, my own fabulous mental powers cause even the mighty Rokk_Krinn to agree with me!

[Jackygobang]

i'd say the FF is a little overpowered...but it's the BLOB! and UNUS!

Creel isn't the smartest guy around...he'll go for rock off the bat. Pyro fires up the entire forest, and has a big freakin' fire beat to knock people around. Creel might absorb the fire, but then Pyro would just assimilate him into the fire mass. Blob and Unus can team up to take Blaastar, and Phantazia can handle Klaw. Blob and Unus might not be able to hurt big B very much, but he won't be able to get through thier defenses for a while...I don't really know the rest of the firghtful four besides klaw, though.

[supermangl1]

Hmmm I'm not sure really, the guys in the FF are crazy powerful, and I agree that the brotherhood has like way too many people, but they could be dropped easy enough. I like the FF way better, but I'm gonna have to say.....FF!
Blaster and Creel, with Wizard and Klaw. They will find a way to win here, they are just too tough, for the silly brotherhood.

my vote = Frightful Four

[Maniac_nmt]

actually you can move the blob depending on how you move him.

Colossus sends him flying with a steel I-beam with Wolverine as a fulcrum (making for a big lever), and then big C promptly punches him across the square (with blob upping his mass the whole way to try and crush Colossus).

Thus I'd say either Wizzard's anti grav discs, or Creel could move him if so motivated.

[Rando]

Strong guy has picked up Blob over his head before too, but Guido had absorbed a lot of kinetic energy prior to doing so.

[Prof. Aragorn]

I still think if Paste Pot Pete came to the brotherhood, told him his name, the Brotherhood would concede of laughter!

[Iceman425]

I'm with GoldenAge on this one. Brotherhood for the win.

Creel would most likely go for the boulders first, and Avalanche would proceed to drop him. That's one quick exit for the Absorbing man, and possibly one of, if not the FF's biggest hitters.

I see the remaining 4 to still be a force, but there are just too many options on the Brotherhood's side at that point.

Bad pull for the Frightful Four, as much as I like them, and dislike the Brotherhood.

Brotherhood pulls this one out.

[Gambit]

Frightful Four?!? Fantastic Four?!? There aren't four members in those teams, there's five!!:p

Anyway, my pick is the FF...or Frigtful Four rather.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Well we should look on the bright side, a villain team is making it to the second round!

[Iceman425]

NOW, that being said. If you have a problem with a character's powers, or the amount of members on one team, and you think those powers or numbers are going to sway the battle one way or another.....then vote for the team that would win with that reasoning!!!

IF you feel that the Brotherhood are too many in numbers and would win because of it, then vote for them and make your case to DTM. Don't throw a fit and say "I'm not gonna vote for them cause they're too strong, to many members"....etc. etc.

I ended up voting for the Legion because of their extraordinary powers, some of which may have been exaggerated early (Superman, Professor X with Cerebro Level Powers), but nonetheless I switched my vote.

To sit there and not make a formal plea to DTM is gonna do nothing. Vote for the team that you feel will win under the current circumstances, then voice your opinion to DTM and your fellow voters. He is a reasonable man, and we have seen characters that offset the balance pulled before.

[proditor]

Frightful Four. Big mess o' power there.

[malreux]

Are you guys kidding? Sauron tries to fly...BAM gloue on his wings. Gonna Hypnotise someone? Not with glue in your eyes you wont! Mystique's tricks wont help her when she is dancing through a field of glue based gumballs! Pyro gonna set the mountain on fire...BAM! Too glued to concentrate! Dont get me started on the Blob, his power is to GLUE HIMSELF TO THE GROUND! Trapster would OWN HIM! And DON'T call him Paste Pot Pete!!!!!!

[Nighthawk]

Wow, close one here. The key players for the brotherhood are mastermind and sauron because they could turn creel or trapster to their side, not wizard or blastar or klaw.

I don't see destiny being that huge a factor. She's not Saturn Girl that can telepathically relay the information. Plus the FF are sickos that would like to wail on an old woman. They got issues.

Creel is not that dumb that he would absorb a rock. He carried around a hunk of adamantium for a while. Wizard would give him some direction in that area.

I have to vote FF, they are all tough (without Paste Pot Pete).

Toad, Pyro, Avalanche, Destiny and Mystique fall easy. Blob, Unus, Phantazia, Sauron, and the other one are tougher.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Originally posted by malreux
Are you guys kidding? Sauron tries to fly...BAM gloue on his wings. Gonna Hypnotise someone? Not with glue in your eyes you wont! Mystique's tricks wont help her when she is dancing through a field of glue based gumballs! Pyro gonna set the mountain on fire...BAM! Too glued to concentrate! Dont get me started on the Blob, his power is to GLUE HIMSELF TO THE GROUND! Trapster would OWN HIM! And DON'T call him Paste Pot Pete!!!!!!
Sorry, that names just funny. Nevertheless, Trapster is a force to be reckoned with I guess.

[coad14]

destiny will know most of the figth before it starts. mastermind will be able to manipulate creel easily. creel then atacks his teammates. i see pyro blasting creel with his flame. creel absorbs the fire, andis instantley under pyros' control.

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by malreux
Are you guys kidding?!? TRAPSTER ROCKS! He killed Spiderman, and he could take most of the Brotherhood by himself! If Spiderman hadn't cheated with the lame captain universe powers TRAPSTER would have OWNED HIM! With his advanced intellect and powerful trapping abilities teamed up with his old friend the WIZARD and his antigravity disks there would be no stopping them!

No, we're NOT kidding. Trapster and Wizard aren't even in this combat. Phantazia knocks out ALL technology in the arena before they even get close enough to use it. Then Toad molests the now oh-so-normal human Trapster and Wizard until they cry.

Obviously she'll leave her teammates technology intact. Klaw's claw would also be affected.

[GoldenAge]

You guys HAVE to know that I'm being unbiased in this combat!!! It's a well-documented fact that I HATE MUTANTS!!!! We'd all be better off if they were corralled and tagged with big blue ear-labels like heifers being led to slaughter!!!

WHERE ARE THE SENTINELS WHEN WE NEED THEM??????

[Gorrack]

At first I cried for the brotherhood thinking them horribly outmatched and begged for them to get Mags, but than Golden Age really turned me to their side. I think they have alot of team work and out of combat powers that make them VERY hard to beat for any team and those aspects make their numbers even more deadly. I hardly say they are unfair as they are without any real power players but just a whole ton of Synergy. I am a huge Brotherhood fan, but even I thought they would get killed as Blaastar and Absorbing Man are HUGE threats, arguably some of the strongest in this tournament hands down, but the more I look at it and some of the sic tricks the Bro Hood can pull off, I have to give it to them.

[Maniac_nmt]

heh, I actually thought of nominating a sentinel team for the contest.

With a nimrod sentinel (their are actually nimrod models, not just Nimrod himself), a zero tolerance sentinel (1 male, 1 female), a sentinel mk 2, and a sentinel mk 1 (the mark 2s were smaller ones used by the Upstarts if I remember right, and they trashed the living snot out of both the hellfire club, the hellions, and the xmen).

[Maniac_nmt]

or include mastermold and an army of sentinels (so even if they s####ped one sentinel mastermold could rebuild himself when they tackled him).

or even the tri-sentinel (go go loki magic!)

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by malreux
Are you guys kidding? Sauron tries to fly...BAM gloue on his wings. Gonna Hypnotise someone? Not with glue in your eyes you wont! Mystique's tricks wont help her when she is dancing through a field of glue based gumballs! Pyro gonna set the mountain on fire...BAM! Too glued to concentrate! Dont get me started on the Blob, his power is to GLUE HIMSELF TO THE GROUND! Trapster would OWN HIM! And DON'T call him Paste Pot Pete!!!!!!

Won't work after Phantazia eliminates his weapons and sends him back to Wizard who's realized that he can't do anything at all since all his powers are derived from technology.

Destiny would predict everything right at the "poof". Then with knowledge of the future all Mystique has to do is have Phantazia teleport the appropriate team members to the appropriate positions. Game over (at least for Traptser and Wizard). Then it's three on ten

[Rokk_Krinn]

Regarding Phantazia's powers, I thought they were EM-based (as in akin to an EM-pulse). Wizard has shielded himself against those type of effects in the past (and that huge honkin' helmet he wears also helps against mental attacks). Not so sure she could immediately erase his technology.

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Regarding Phantazia's powers, I thought they were EM-based (as in akin to an EM-pulse). Wizard has shielded himself against those type of effects in the past (and that huge honkin' helmet he wears also helps against mental attacks). Not so sure she could immediately erase his technology.

Phantazia took out ALL of Cables futuristic weapons and computers in a moment’s time. That stuff was far beyond Wizards tech. Besides, I don't remember ever reading that Wizard's technology is guarded against EMPs. You'd better back up that comment with more than a guess. Give me a book # or at least something besides "The way I remember it is...".

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by GoldenAge
Destiny would predict everything right at the "poof". Then with knowledge of the future all Mystique has to do is have Phantazia teleport the appropriate team members to the appropriate positions. Game over (at least for Traptser and Wizard). Then it's three on ten

Destiny's good - especially on "short term" predictions - but she's not infallible. If she could completely predict a battle before it begins - including each and every move and counter-move - then not only would the Brotherhood be able to beat the X-Men far more often, but they also wouldn't have been slaughtered by the Reavers.

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by Iceman425
NOW, that being said. If you have a problem with a character's powers, or the amount of members on one team, and you think those powers or numbers are going to sway the battle one way or another.....then vote for the team that would win with that reasoning!!!

I agree!!! Iceman425 set a great example in the Legion battle. DreadDormammu sounds like a child who's playing a game and has been told something he doesn't like and wants to change the rules so he'll win. I know that's not who you are DD.

If you really think the FF will win (and choose to ignore the arguments for and against your team) fine. Just don't vote in spite or to prove a point that should have been addressed in the weeks of preliminary team discussions.

[Q99]

I think I'm going to vote for the power of the Four/Five in this case.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by GoldenAge
Phantazia took out ALL of Cables futuristic weapons and computers in a moment’s time. That stuff was far beyond Wizards tech. Besides, I don't remember ever reading that Wizard's technology is guarded against EMPs. You'd better back up that comment with more than a guess. Give me a book # or at least something besides "The way I remember it is...".

Easy there, GA. You're right - I won't give you a book number that I can't remember. If it helps I believe times we've seen him refer to it include "Acts of Vengeance" (a precaution he'd taken against Magneto) and one of the "Fantastic Four Unlimiteds". Don't forget his power gloves also create a force-field. No proof either way if Phantazia's powers will work through that. Did she work on Cable's tech? Yep, but the Wizard is also a man beyond his time - I wouldn't say just because Cable's tech is from the future that it's better. It also won't take out all of Trapster's equipment: high-pressure spray guns may not be affected, for example, and I seriously doubt his "gumballs" would notice a pulse effect.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Once again the "power and numbers" issue raises its' ugly head. Like I stated before, I think people are automatically assuming nominators are trying to "top-heavy" their teams and, frankly, maybe - cynic though I normally am - that's being too negative on the nominators. We (and no, neither team here is one of mine :) ) were told to base team power as being approximately equal to the "Fantastic Four + She-Hulk". That's where the problem lies: your perception of the "Fantastic Five". Personally, I believe that's a hugely powerful team: the Thing is one of Marvel's preeminent heavy-hitters, the Torch may be a jerk but he's a high-octane one, Reed is not only one of the two smartest people in this tournament but his powers are surprisingly versatile, Shulkie is no slacker and Sue's power is immense (easily one of the highest level ones in this tournament). If, on the other hand, you view them as a lower-level team then your team selection would be based upon that viewpoint. So instead of accusing folks left and right, why don't we just enjoy the tournament DTM has worked so hard to bring us? :)

[malreux]

Phantazia can't stop the Trapster! because his powers aren't based on technology, they are based on GLUE!
Glue from a GUN or glue in LITTLE BALLS!
P.S. He also has SLIPPERY GREASE!



O.C.C. P.S.S. Rokk, you have to admit his face when Power Cosmic Spiderman crushed his missle with the giant webbing hand was one of the saddest in comic history!!

[coad14]

i nominated the brotherhood, but mastermind and unus were added after the fact.

[DarthDoom]

DOOM WILL NOW VOTE WAH HA HA HA

[DarthDoom]

DOOM VOTES FOR THE FIVE.............WHO WILL DISABLE CREEL AND BLASTAR?

[Silver Lantern]

Frightful four for the win.

[DTM]

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
What the heck? How did we get a 10-man team in this tournament. I am voting Frightful Four just because this Brotherhood team should not be here. I am getting irritated by the lack of balancing here.

Anyway, Absorbing Man and Blastaar are too much to stop here. Yeah, that's it.

As mentioned before DD, the size of the team DOES NOT MATTER, its the members that make up the team that we should all be looking at here. Blastaar laying waste to the entire area would take out every BH member except for Blob and Unus, that is why Blastaar only have 4 teammates and there are 10 BH members.

[Rando]

man, no matter who wins the poor mountain environment is the real loser, it has been working overtime this round.

[Dalandow]

Frightful Four

[DTM]

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
I agree. I think the team balancing fell apart pretty badly in several places. :rolleyes:

Absorbing Man was KOed by Spider Girl in Secret Wars, and has been KOed by Capt America solo. He is tough, but hes far from a Thor or Superman level character, routinely anyway.

[DTM]

Current Voting Totals:

Frightful Four - 24 votes
Brotherhood - 7 votes

Now, on the issue of the teams.

I dont feel, personally, that the Brotherhood having 10 members makes them too powerful, as we are certainly seeing here. Again, its not the amount of members that are on each team, but WHICH members that makes the difference.

The team to base all of our teams on was the FF plus She Hulk, now thats a powerful team, something most of our teams fit within its range. The Brotherhood intially did NOT have the power to compete, so Unus and Mastermind were added to beef them up alittle bit, while still keep them in the overall power range we needed.

As for the FF here, Absorbing Man is tough, but no tougher than Wonder Woman all around, or Flash, or a few other members here in this tournament. Plus, hes on a team with only 4 other members, which is due to him and some of his teammates being so tough. Dont necessarily compare the FF here to the BH, but to the FF...er...other FF plus She Hulk, and THEN see if this FF is too strong. I dont think so, personally.

[Macho Man]

Originally posted by Rando
man, no matter who wins the poor mountain environment is the real loser, it has been working overtime this round. I agree, after this fight I'm gonna plant a tree:)

[Macho Man]

So with that said I vote FF

[Rando]

I'm still kind of wavering. Normally I favor teams with information, but Destiny is only a so so info person, she gets visions some time, but not all the time. On the other hand Brotherhood has some pretty serious misdirection in the form of Mastermind and Mystique. The real problem for Brotherhood is Blastaar, I don't think the Brotherhood has any fliers and not so good ranged attacks either, he can hose them down from up in the sky and Brotherhood is gonna have a hard time countering, unless Phantazia can reliably shut people's minds down from range, I also don't knwo if Blastaar has it in him to fight like that. It looks like FF is gonna win here no matter what, but there is some info anyway.