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ROUND 4 BEGINS!! With only TWO battles left til we find out which teams will be battling it out in the GRAND FINALE, each and every vote and debate counts, so lets hear from you ALL.
We begin this Semi Final Round with a Split Universe Brawl, so without further adieu, allow me to present:
FRIGHTFUL FOUR VS. JSA
Frightful Four – Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man
JSA – Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher
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As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Beach: Tropical Island, half sand and water/half palm trees and brush, etc.
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
TEAM TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
ROUND 1
Jusitce League #1 VS. Justice League #3: Justice League #3
(Steel, Metamorpho, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Rocket Red)
Titans VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)
Marauders VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)
X-Men #1 VS. Legion Of Super-Heroes #1: X-Men #1
(Banshee, Colossus, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolverine)
Alpha Flight VS. Avengers #2: Avengers #2
(Wonder Man, Warbird, Hawkeye, Wasp, Crystal, Spider-Man)
Defenders VS. Masters Of Evil #1: Defenders
(Dr. Strange, Namor, Beast, Black Knight, Valkyrie, Hellcat)
Fantastic Four VS. X-Force: Fantastic Four
(Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk)
Sinister Six VS. X-Men #2: X-Men #2
(Phoenix, Gambit, Rogue, Archangel (metal wings), Havok, Bishop, Iceman (Pre Emma Frost))
Frightful Four VS. The Brotherhood: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)
Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. New Warriors: Legion Of Super-Heroes #2
(Princess Projectra, Star Boy, Timber Wolf, Karate Kid, Tellus, Shrinking Violet, Lightning Lass)
Avengers #1 VS. Young Justice: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)
Freedom Fighters VS. Secret Society Of Super-Villians: Freedom Fighters
(Uncle Sam, Miss America, The Ray, Magno, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, “Iron” Monroe, Phantom Lady, Max Mercury)
Masters Of Evil #2 VS. Outsiders: Outsiders
(Geo-Force, Katana, Looker, Halo, Black Lightning, Atomic Knight, Arsenal, Terra II)
Justice League #2 VS. Excalibur: Justice League #2
(Batman, Plastic Man, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Huntress)
New Mutants VS. Exiles: Exiles
(Blink, Thunderbird (Non War Mode), Nocturne, The Mimic, Sunfire, Sasquatch, Magik, Morph)
Inhumans VS. Suicide Squad: Inhumans
(Gorgon, Black Bolt (No Voice Attacks), Karnak, Medusa, Triton, Lockjaw)
ROUND 2
Avengers #2 VS. Defenders: Defenders
(Dr. Strange, Namor, Beast, Black Knight, Valkyrie, Hellcat)
Inhumans VS. X-Men #2: Inhumans
(Gorgon, Black Bolt (No Voice Attacks), Karnak, Medusa, Triton, Lockjaw)
JSA VS. Justice League #3: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)
Avengers #1 VS. Freedom Fighters: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)
X-Men #1 VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)
Frightful Four VS. Exiles: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)
Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. Outsiders: Legion Of Super-Heroes #2
(Princess Projectra, Star Boy, Timber Wolf, Karate Kid, Tellus, Shrinking Violet, Lightning Lass)
Fantastic Four VS. Justice League #2: Fantastic Four
(Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk)
ROUND 3
Defenders VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)
Fantastic Four VS. Frightful Four: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)
Avengers #1 VS. Inhumans: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)
Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw)
ROUND 4
Frightful Four VS. JSA: ??????
DareDevil-fan
04/12/2004, 15:16
JSA for the win.
JSA in a pretty straightforward romp.
Flash takes Wizard and Klaw out of the picture early.
Power Girl crushes "Crusher", especially since he's just the sort of jerk that puts her in a bad mood *and* he doesn't have anything too hard to work with in this environment.
Mr. Terrific will outsmart the Trapster.
That leaves Blaastar, who will probably level Atom Smasher and Starman when they don't suspect him of being the powerhouse he is, but he won't be able to stand up to the rest of the team after he's done with Al and Jack.
Maniac_nmt
04/12/2004, 15:16
Mr. Terrific will take down the absorbing man after watching him do his mojo a time or two. After all, Cap tricked him to going down, so while not as awesome as Cap, Mr. T is no slouch, he'll pull it off too.
Flash raps Trapster or Wizzy before they can get motivated.
Powergirl on Blastaar (even if she doesn't win and just holds him up, that's all that's needed).
Leaving Hawkman, Atom Smasher, and Starman to beat the stuffing out of Klaw.
The JSA will loose a chunk of it's team, but they'll win
CaptainMarvel
04/12/2004, 15:22
Gotta Go JSA. Bad pull for Fright4.
NEXT!:p
Ignatz_Mouse
04/12/2004, 15:25
J S A !
Manchine
04/12/2004, 15:34
But they can do.......
Well they could defiantly do ......
OK JSA for the win
Asj!
They have enough power to clash with the FF fairly well, and have better tactics and numbers (since excepting power girl, their power is more spread-out). The Frightful Four's wildcard abilities, like Wizard's disks, also aren't very effective against this team since most of the powerhouses fly and Flash can target the non-invunerable members fairly easily.
On Absorbing man- he does have sand, which I would note is just worn-down rock and is still thus quite hard, so he won't go down too fast.
I still wish the Exiles were here instead (Ah, I wish the latest Exiles had been out when that fight happened. Blink took down an opponent at least on a level with Blastaar with a cool trick), although they probably wouldn't have gotten past the Fantastic Four (who are much more collective and have less 'exploitable' powers for the Exiles to try and take apart).
SpakSpang
04/12/2004, 15:38
JSA and it looks like its going to be another DC VS. Marvel final. That is good news for these contests because those are always the most heated and fun debates.
SpakSpang
04/12/2004, 15:38
JSA and it looks like its going to be another DC VS. Marvel final. That is good news for these contests because those are always the most heated and fun debates.
Maniac_nmt
04/12/2004, 15:48
Creel has more then just sand, he has klaw (to turn himself into sound), water, volcanic rock (depending on island type), blastaar (can mimic what makes his skin super tough), his wrecking ball, and other stuff.
Even just mimicking sand, he'll still put a hurt on (he can mimic water and drown people inside himself).
In the end though, Mr. Terrific is a smart chap, and will trick Creel into touching exposed human flesh when he goes to absorb something, and clobber the hell out of him then.
Nighthawk
04/12/2004, 15:50
Going to be the first vote for the FF.
Creel will absorb the vibranium in Klaw's blaster and will take out Power Girl.
Hawkman will take out Trapster.
Blastarr takes out Atom Smasher, but it takes a while.
Flash and Terrific take out the Wizard.
Klaw takes out Starman.
Creel, Blastarr and Klaw will fight Hawkman, Flash and Terrific. Flash is a world class bad-###, but can't hang with those three, not with Blastarr flying.
bluebeetle
04/12/2004, 15:51
THE JSA!!!!!!
CapAmerica24
04/12/2004, 17:48
JSA....bring on the Avengers!
(oh no, my 2 favorite teams will be fighting each other...I have a lot to ponder now. ;))
KingBlackBolt
04/12/2004, 17:48
FF creel is a monster and if he absorbs the vibranium from klaw JSA is going down and hard. FF for the win.
KingBlackBolt
04/12/2004, 17:50
Well thats my decision for now can any DC fans list the powers of the JSA contending in this match? It would be appreciated thanks.
KingBlackBolt
04/12/2004, 18:01
Heres the stats for the frightful four if anyone cares to check them out(or at leats the one I can find):
BLASTAAR- Height: 6 ft. 6 in.
Weight: 520 lbs.
Eyes: Gray
Hair: Gray
Skin: Gray
Strength Level: Blastaar possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) approximately 50 tons under optimal conditions.
Known Superhuman Powers: Blastaar's principal power is the ability to generate an unknown type of highly concussive kinetic force which he can then release at will through his fingertips. He can release sufficient force to penetrate 6-inch thick titaniumoverlayed steel from a distance of 25 feet. The maximum range of his blasting power, limited by his inability to finely focus his beams of energy, is about 1,000 feet.
By carefully releasing a steady stream of blasts from his fingertips, Blastaar can propel himself through the air in the manner of a nuclear-engined rocket. He is able to generate sufficient propulsion to reach Earth's escape velocity (25,000 miles per hour), and can remain in flight almost indefinitely.
Blastaar has superhuman strength, endurance, and resilience. He is virtually tireless. His body can withstand extreme variations in temperature (from 200° below zero to 11,000° Fahrenheit) and pressure (from 0 to 10 Earth atmospheres). His skin is strong enough to withstand the impact of up to .30 caliber armor-piercing machine gun bullets. He can survive for weeks without nourishment and can survive in airless space for months by willing himself into a state of hibernation.
ABSORBING MAN-Height: 6 ft. 4 in.
Weight: 365 lbs
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Bald
Strength Level: Variable, When he is not absorbing the properties of anything, the Absorbing Man possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engage in regular exercise. Depending on what he absorbs and how long he can remain in contact with it, his strength can increase to the Class 100 range (able to routinely lift 100+ tone).
Known Superhuman Powers: The Absorbing Man possesses the ability to bodily duplicate at will the physical properties of anything he touches or that touches him. This power extends to both animate and inanimate objects and certain forms of energy. The matter of the Absorbing Men's body magically undergoes a materiel and physiological change so that his body becomes composed of the matter or energy with which he is making contact. While he is in this altered state, he still possesses his sentience despite the fact that his brain is now composed of the same material all the rest of him. Among the more ordinary materials he has been transformed into include steel, stone, wood, and glass. More unusual have bean his transformations into water, fire, snow, helium, and silk. His most powerful transformations have been into energy-states such as cosmic, nuclear, thermal or light.
The Absorbing Man can also absorb specific properties relating to the form or mass of an object he touches. For example, he can assume the height of a skys####er or the spike of a mace. He can also assimilate mystical properties of object or beings He can mimic the properties of Thor's hammer as well as the strength of Thor himself.
If the Absorbing Man's body is broken or dispersed somehow when he is in nonhuman state, his sentience is capable of reassembling himself over a period of time end returning himself to human form. For example, he was able to return to normal after being shattered in glass form and dissipated in liquid form. During the first "Secret War" his arm was severed while he was in non-human form, but the Absorbing Man was able to reattach it to himself by holding the severed arm to its correct position on his body and then transforming it and himself back to human form.
Limitations: There are undefined limits to the amount of power that the Absorbing Man can absorb. He met his first defeat when he exploded upon attempting to absorb the power of the entire planet Earth.
Weapons: The Absorbing Man's prison ball and chain, which he was wearing at the time of his original transformation, magically possesses the same properties of transformation as his body, providing he is in contact with them.
KLAW- Height: 5 ft. 11 in.
Weight: 175 lbs
Eyes: Red
Hair: None
Strength Level: Klaw possesses superhuman strength enabling him to lift (press) approximately 5 tons when his body is fully energized
Known Superhuman Powers: Klaw possesses a number of superhuman physical powers stemming from his body's conversion into an extra-physical energy form. In some as yet unknown way, Klaw's body is a stable energy form possessing mass and sentience. This form is not bound by conventional human limitations: Klaw does not need food or sleep, nor can he be harmed by penetration wounds, disease, shock of impact, oxygen deprivation, etc. Klaw's body can in fact be vivisected into many pieces without killing him and these pieces can be fused back together by simply touching them to one another. He can only exist in a medium that allows the propagation of sound waves: he would dissipate in a vacuum. Since his body is quasi-solid, he can be touched by physical objects. Although it would cause no permanent damage, a sufficiently powerful blow may not only stagger him but cause temporary unconsciousness. (This occurs when the impact creates a counter frequency that is disharmonious to that of his body.) Klaw can maintain his "sonic state" indefinitely. He cannot transform back into his original organic state.
Klaw can bodily transform ambient sound for a variety of uses through his prosthetic sound converter. He can' project waves of intense, high-volume sound (maximum loudness: 170 decibels), capable of deafening anyone within a .6 mile radius. He can convert sound into controlled blasts of concussive force with a maximum force equivalent to 3,000 pounds of TNT. He can also create 3-dimensional, mobile sound/mass constructs possessing such complex forms as those of animals. He shapes and animates these constructs by mental command and they only remain in existence for as long as he wills them. Not possessed of the sentient life force that his own sonic form is, the constructs are not nearly as invulnerable.
Klaw's major vulnerability is his susceptibility to Vibranium, the substance that triggered his original transformation. Because Vibranium absorbs all forms of energy including sound, the nearness of a certain quantity of Vibranium can cause the mass of his energy form to become unstable and collapse. Usually when this occurs Klaw's body is absorbed by his own prosthetic sound converter.
Weapons: Klaw wears a prosthetic device composed of molybdenum steel which contains a miniature version of his sound converter machine. The artificial hand is attached to his sound/mass body by as yet unknown means. Klaw activates the circuitry of the device by pseudo-cybernetic commands
I cant find the other two but maybe someone else on here could help.
supermangl1
04/12/2004, 18:30
Well I don't have nice stats in front of me but here's a quick run down of what the JSA can do.
Flash - he's the Flash, he can run very very fast, and do lots of neat tricks with speed, like make tornadoes and the like. He's much much faster then Quicksilver, he's that fast walking on his hands.
Powergirl - Flying brick of the team, not sure on strength levels but rather high, in Marvel I'd say around She Hulk high. She's very tough too, hard to knock out.
Mr. Terrific - the brains here, with T-Spheres that give and report data, and has a computerized mask that connects those shperes. Brillant mind (Genius level) and fighter, no real super enhancements.
Hawkman - Flying Eygptian Prince, has lived and fought over the ages. Master of battle tactics and weapons, and has one bad attitude.
Atom Smasher - Think Giant Man on the AVengers, grows huge and strength enhances has it goes, very big and powerful.
Starman - Owner of Cosmic Rod, which is very powerful, shots engery blast, weilder of it can fly, etc.
Sorry I can't give exact numbers on the lifting amounts and such.
KingBlackBolt
04/12/2004, 18:37
It sounds like the frightful four would take it here, I mean abosorbing man almost seems too strong for this contest in general, I am gonna stick with the frightful four.
supermangl1
04/12/2004, 18:39
The Flash will drop Wizard and Trapster before they even know whats going on. That 1000 feet space is nothing but a blink of the eye and they are out. He may try to hit Creel but he won't be able to knock him out with one shot. He will Wizard and Trapster. Leaving Klaw, AM, and Blaastar.
Terrific will trick Creel after some time, he is a brillant thinker and leader.
Blaastar will fight Power Girl, since he'll take to the air. PowerGirl will hold him long enough.
Klaw faces Hawkman and Starman and loses. The cosmic rod is no joke, and Hawkman will try to cut that sound thingie of Klaws arm, by removing the arm.
Creel, faces Flash, Atom Smasher, and Terrific and loses finally, after some tricky moves.
The remainder take down a very tired Blaastar.
The JSA loses Starman and Atom Smasher, but win the day.
my vote = JSA
DreadDormammu
04/12/2004, 18:41
Originally posted by KingBlackBolt
FF creel is a monster and if he absorbs the vibranium from klaw JSA is going down and hard. FF for the win. When will this stop? KLAW'S HAND IS NOT VIBRANIUM.
I vote JSA.
DreadDormammu
04/12/2004, 18:46
Originally posted by Nighthawk
Creel will absorb the vibranium in Klaw's blaster and will take out Power Girl.Or at least the Molybdenum. :p KLAW'S HAND IS NOT MADE OF VIBRANIUM.
supermangl1
04/12/2004, 18:49
His hand is just a sound generator isn't it? And is Klaw super tough, or just as tough as a normal human?
DreadDormammu
04/12/2004, 18:52
Klaw is super tough because his body is inhuman. That is why he has Toughness in Heroclix.
SumYungGai
04/12/2004, 18:52
JSA
Hawkman would leave the Wizard a pile of broken bones. The Wizard will mistake the wings and feel that he has aerial superiority. The Anti-grav Nth metal will prove otherwise.
Starman and Blastaar are a tie in sheer firepower , but the Cosmic Rod is much more versatile. Jack would take the fight after an intense battle.
Atom Smasher takes out Trapster.
Power Girl will want to fight the Absorbing Man. He just looks like the kind of guy she would want to pick a fight with. She will be shocked and amazed at his breadth of power. She won't beat him on her own, but will do it with help from Mr. Terrific.
I think the Flash could counter any effect Klaw would generate. Historically, sound-based villains don't do well againt Flashes.
Finally, the T-Spheres beat Wizard's disks. No competition.
I vote JSA
Flash will flatten Trapster and Klaw, and maybe Wizard, he has a straight shot with both teams on the beach and no way can they get into the jungle in time to avoid him (like that would matter anyway). Power girl can probably take Blastaar alone, her plus Starman, and/or Hawkman is more than enough. Absorbing man can be a nuisance, but Atom smasher can throw him into the ocean which will keep him out of the fight till the JSA has dealt with his buddies, so all of them that are left can atack him at once.
GreatArelius1
04/12/2004, 19:07
FF
Starman - Owner of Cosmic Rod, which is very powerful, shots engery blast, weilder of it can fly, etc.
Protective force field. It's a major-league item.
Hawkman - Flying Eygptian Prince, has lived and fought over the ages. Master of battle tactics and weapons, and has one bad attitude.
And has a huge mace. His wings are anti-grav and give him minor super strength (primarily while flying he can extend their ability to lift heavy things like small aircraft, and to charge and hit things very hard. Even super-tough characters tend to get bruised from a full-on charge), temperature resistance, and some regeneration. Primarily he's just a flying badass.
Powergirl - Flying brick of the team, not sure on strength levels but rather high, in Marvel I'd say around She Hulk high. She's very tough too, hard to knock out.
Possibly more, she feels she's up there with Captain Marvel (although this may be a bit of an exageration, in raw strength alone it's not too much of one).
Also, she has a regenerating costume. If it gets ripped, it repairs itself. No help in a fight, it's just cool.
Dalandow
04/12/2004, 20:09
FF
SteveRogers
04/12/2004, 20:10
FF
Rokk_Krinn
04/12/2004, 20:12
Even if Klaw's hand was vibranium that doesn't exactly turn Creel into the toughest metal out there. It's not the softest metal, but if it didn't have its' dampening capabilities it would be clay to someone of PG's strength. More importantly, even with its' unique properties, vibranium would be meltable by Jack (and if Creel is dumb enough to turn into cosmic energy, may the Beyonder have mercy on him because Jack will absorb Creel into the mother to end all blasts vs. some other FF member).
Q99 - First off, I'm glad you found the exorcist who got rid of Zatarra's spirit for you (based on your initial vote of asj! ;)). Secondly, apparently the writers have decided it's far cooler if PG's outfit doesn't regenerate - look at her battle with the Crimson Avenger...lotsa' flesh. Heck, once her outfit starts getting torn in the battle can you see Absorbing Man and Trapster paying attention to _anything_ else? :)
Vote: JSA
Well, I've noticed that they seem to use the costume as an excuse to expose flesh. In the fight with Da Bomb a bit back, she had her costume torn up a couple times I think, at least once majorly, and if you paid attention you could see it slowly repair itself. Since it grows back, then of course it's no big deal if different bits of flesh are exposed as the fight goes on...
It's a plot by Geoff Johns, I'm telling you....
Rokk_Krinn
04/12/2004, 20:31
Originally posted by Q99
It's a plot by Geoff Johns, I'm telling you....
Or DC Marketing team. :)
Unfortunately it gets really scary when you realize just how often Wildcat's outfit gets ruined *shudder*.
Oh, and I agree - I would take PG's commentary about being stronger than Captain Marvel with a great deal of salt. She's definitely strong - stronger than She-Hulk I'd say - but not quite to Captain Marvel. PG's ego, however, would never allow her to admit anyone - especially a male and a goody two-shoes one at that - is stronger than her.
Silver Lantern
04/12/2004, 20:39
FF
Awww, I was starting to really like the Frightful 4 and now their up against my favorite team! JSA overpowers the F4 pretty easily in this one. Bad pull :(.
KingBlackBolt
04/12/2004, 22:36
Klaws hand does contain vibranium in it. So Creel could absorb it and kick some tail.
silverstein
04/12/2004, 22:40
Frightful Four would cream the JSA absorbing man would crush power girl in a matter of seconds blastaars blasts are no joke plus he is super strong(not like creel).Frightful Four is my final answer.
Rokk_Krinn
04/12/2004, 22:56
Originally posted by KingBlackBolt
Klaws hand does contain vibranium in it. So Creel could absorb it and kick some tail.
Scroll through some of the threads and you can see it pointed out that not only is vibranium not some nigh-impervious uber-metal like adamantium, but that the JSA have more than a few ways to deal with someone made of it.
I don't fault you for backing the Frightful Four, even if I think they're outclassed here. I do, however, hope you're basing your vote on more than just the vibranium as it's not going to turn the tide for the FF. :)
Rokk_Krinn
04/12/2004, 23:00
Originally posted by silverstein
Frightful Four would cream the JSA absorbing man would crush power girl in a matter of seconds blastaars blasts are no joke plus he is super strong(not like creel).Frightful Four is my final answer.
And how does Creel lay a hand on PG if she really decides to fight intelligently? He can't fly and doesn't usually have a true ranged attack (maybe one throw of his ball-n-chain). Meanwhile PG not only flies, but she's a super-speedster who's at least as fast as Quicksilver, if not more so. Worse comes to worse, if he turns to metal she hurls him out into the ocean and deals with him later with the rest of the team backing her (yes, I know he can turn to water and head back to shore).
Blastarr is the biggest threat on the FF for this fight, but Jay alone can make things a living nightmare for the Living Bombblast. A super-strong tough energy blaster? C'mon, this is the JSA - they've been dealing with these sorts of villains for decades now.
Black_Rook
04/12/2004, 23:15
JSA
Perfectstorm
04/12/2004, 23:51
Originally posted by Q99
Asj!
They have enough power to clash with the FF fairly well, and have better tactics and numbers (since excepting power girl, their power is more spread-out). The Frightful Four's wildcard abilities, like Wizard's disks, also aren't very effective against this team since most of the powerhouses fly and Flash can target the non-invunerable members fairly easily.
On Absorbing man- he does have sand, which I would note is just worn-down rock and is still thus quite hard, so he won't go down too fast.
I still wish the Exiles were here instead (Ah, I wish the latest Exiles had been out when that fight happened. Blink took down an opponent at least on a level with Blastaar with a cool trick), although they probably wouldn't have gotten past the Fantastic Four (who are much more collective and have less 'exploitable' powers for the Exiles to try and take apart).
atleast on the level of Blastaar?!?
Hyperion IS superman. He always has been, and always will be. In everyway was he superman level, and it makes since that only he could take out himself.
Oh, and I vote F4
banshee12377
04/12/2004, 23:55
JSA
NickFury15
04/13/2004, 00:16
Also, she has a regenerating costume. If it gets ripped, it repairs itself. No help in a fight, it's just cool.
This is what I'm talking about when I say they've taken all the fun out of comics.
I vote for the Society, by the way.
FF for win. Wizard tells everyone to stand behind klaw and the klaw makes most if not all of JSA deaf thus taking away most of their teamwork and in some cases might knock them out. Dont say flash will punch because he wont if the klaw does a wide area sonic blast that can deafen most people the flash is gonna be holding his ears. While most of JSA is in pain blastaar blast the hell out of them. Trapter well just makes a trap perimeter around klaw and wizard sends his discs at powergirl knocking her into glue and making her easy target for Absorbing man who has absorbed the vibranium or whatever and goes to pounding on powergirl. The only person i can see withstanding Klaws sonic attacks is probable powergirl. The rest of JSA is in pain. I see klaw being the trump card that makes the Frightful four win here. Klaw incapacitates flash, starman, Hawkman and atom smasher. While Blastaar finish's them off while they are vulnerable. Creel and wizard deal with power girl, the wizard using his discs to knock her to ground as stated before and creel pounding her. Now i dont know much about the JSA but from what i do know most of these characters cant take a sound attack to save their life and the klaw can hit the whole arena if he wanted to. Again Frightful four for the win.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 00:49
Originally posted by odieses
klaw and the klaw makes most if not all of JSA deaf thus taking away most of their teamwork and in some cases might knock them out. Dont say flash will punch because he wont if the klaw does a wide area sonic blast that can deafen most people the flash is gonna be holding his ears..
That's great except even a _very_ slowed down Flash is still faster than the speed of sound and, well, Klaw's attacks while powerful are still "speed of sound".
You can deafen Hawkman, but, honestly I'm not sure he would care too much. He'd likely just fly over and cut off Trapster's arm.
Atom-Smasher is a tougher hombre than you give him credit for being, so not too sure he'd be as easy to drop from sound attacks as you're thinking.
Wizard and Trapster's tech is going to have a hard time locking onto Mr. Terrific. Even "deafened", Michael is still invisibile to technology if he desires. He can also still direct his t-spheres to cloak himself and project illusions. Speaking of those t-spheres, they're more than capable of creating static feedback which Klaw has shown a weakness to on occasion (and I'm sure Mr. Terrific is going to be a character smart enough to figure out a way to defeat sound).
Jack Knight (Starman) has a force-field, by the way. Not too sure he'd stop just because he was deafened (he fights in space - no sound there).
You already covered Powergirl. :)
KingBlackBolt
04/13/2004, 01:06
Im pretty sure vibranium aborbs energy when pressure is applied, therefore it gets stronger and harder to break. Of course it can be overloaded by a nuclear bomb (it happened in the comics some time ago, but it did abosorb most of it).I dont really think anyone here has the capabilities of a nuclear explosion, so creel would be ok.As for powergirl trying to throw him in the water cant he just hold on, I doubt powergirl is strong enough to free herself from him.Eventually he will be too strong to hurt if he absorbs the vibranium.I think if that happens he would be too strong for the tourney, BUT since he is already in then I guess its too late for that.
Bannerfan
04/13/2004, 01:11
frightful four for the win, creel is too strong for the JSA at least these members of them.They wont be able to touch him when he gets that strong.My vote is for frightful four.
DreadDormammu
04/13/2004, 01:19
Originally posted by KingBlackBolt
Klaws hand does contain vibranium in it. So Creel could absorb it and kick some tail. There is a small part the size of a bolt in the center of his hand made of Vibranium. Creel couldn't absorb that without slicing Klaw's hand in half... hardly likely. And as Rokk has pointed out, Vibranium won't help against Power Girl.
FWIW, I think Power Girl is approximately equivalent to Captain Marvel in strength, definitely stronger than Wonder Woman and far far stronger than She-Hulk.
Im curious, since there is TONS of water in this arena, can someone tell me how the JSA would stop an entirely water made Absorbing Man? And true, hes not exactly bright, but hes not a complete idiot either, especially since hes been around the block a few times and knows by NOW how and what he should and shouldnt be doing. I havent voted yet, but Im curious as to how PG or any of the JSA would defeat an entirely water AM?
Current Voting Totals:
JSA - 20 votes
Frightful 4 - 12 votes
Again, I havent voted myself, but Im thinking FF here. Blastaar is a Beast, and a water being Absorbing Man sounds really tough to defeat. Let alone the superhumanly durable, by far, Klaw who can do a vairety of effects including making a horde of solid sound creatures to fight along side the FF. Still no vote, since Im curious what the JSA people think about my above question.
DreadDormammu
04/13/2004, 02:02
I think a liquid form is a bad idea with Flash around. Can you say vortex?
But AM wouldnt just be in the water, he would BE the water, and doesnt need air to breathe in this form I believe. Flash creates a vortex while running over the water, whats to stop Creel from just grabbing him, dragging him out to sea and drowning him in the ocean? Flash is TOUGH, but he still needs air to breathe, and AM could just flush tons of water into his mouth and throat easy. Again, this isnt just water, its water thats ALIVE, big difference there.
DreadDormammu
04/13/2004, 02:11
True. But while Absorbing Man is animate no matter what he mimics, his durability is based on whatever substances he is taking on. Also, his strength is not superhuman until he absorbs materials at which point it becomes greater apparently based on the durability and hardness of the substance.
And my Flash comment was to indicate that Flash could run around him in circles, creating a vortex, which would cause the Absorbing Man to turn into a water spout and be flung away against his will. He'd then have to reform and run back to the battle.
So water form would be (IMO):
Impossible to hurt by physical force.
Not strong enough to hurt anyone resilient
Very susceptible to Flash creating vortices that could sweep him away against his will
I don't think it would benefit Creel except as a defense. Of course, it depends on the writer but based on the past that is my take. He'd probably be better off touching Starman's staff. ;)
Hmmmmm, I think you underestimate how POWERFUL a water attack can be, not just with a straight forward water burst, but a grab and drown attack, which would kill anyone who needs to breathe.
If Absorbing Man became water he would collapse, he has the same coherency as water. He can't force his body to hold a shape, because that is not a property of water so if Creel absorbed the water all he could do is slosh around as a mansized puddle, that is hardly a threatening combatant. He can't grab anything as a puddle, I suppose he could hang around in the ocean and try and drown people that came out there after him, but it is impossible to drown Flash , he can vibrate to become intangible and just swim super fast back to shore, you could never drown him in this environment he could lap the arena thousands of times before he ran out of air. To get Absorbing Man out of the ocean the JSA can have Terriffic find Absorbing man with his myriad of sensory equipment, have Flash #### him out of the ocean by creating a waterspout and then have Hawkman, or Starman, or Power Girl maneuver the waterspout into the island with the cosmic rod, or nth metal or momentum from super speed. Then the JSA can pick at the man puddle till they determine a way to reach a victory condition. Absorbing Man needs to remain a solid to truly be effective, as a gas he is subject to all the things gasses are subject to, he can't move around on his own, the same is true of Absorbing Man as a liquid. And as a final note I bring up once again that this tactic is totally contrary to Absorbing Man's personality, when has he ever thought to become anything that didn't directly aid him in dishing out direct physcial damage.
Klaw cannot blow away the JSA with a huge sound wave because his weapon throws focused sound attacks not mile wide waves. Even if it did Flash could run up behind him, vibrate though the FF and turn Klaw around so that his attack would hit his own team instead of the JSA, all far more rapidly than the sound wave could reach the JSA, or he could just punch Klaw 4000 times or so while the FF is maneuvering behind him, putting Klaw on the ground.
VandalSavage
04/13/2004, 04:30
Originally posted by DTM
Hmmmmm, I think you underestimate how POWERFUL a water attack can be, not just with a straight forward water burst, but a grab and drown attack, which would kill anyone who needs to breathe.
But if the Flash has him in a vortex...and seperated...there can be no attack by AM.
I vote....JSA!!
Mr. Savage
Flash pops klaw while doing his attack his unlikely. For one he is a normal man and that type of attack will not slow him down it will stop him cold in his tracks. Same goes for terrific and some of the other JSA members. When the sound is that high the JSA members are going to be in shambles, mr. terrific cant counter anything if he is on the ground holding his ears. This attack effectively takes out half the JSA for a while til their ear drums break and their deaf. Menawhile the rest of the FF is moping up whoever is able to fight granted i dont know if powergirl could take sonic attacks i dont follow the character, the whole team could be really weak against this type of attack i dont know and jsut because he fights in space doesnt make him invulnerable to sound. The force field protects him against space but does it block freguencies i doubt it. Does he ever talk to anybody outside of the force field if so ithe force field doesnt help at all. Im basing my knowledge on what other have said on these characters so far, one guy said the klaw could affect a area up to a mile so im basing this on that and even if it werent possible i still say the FF are too much for this team.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 09:06
Originally posted by DTM
Im curious, since there is TONS of water in this arena, can someone tell me how the JSA would stop an entirely water made Absorbing Man? And true, hes not exactly bright, but hes not a complete idiot either, especially since hes been around the block a few times and knows by NOW how and what he should and shouldnt be doing. I havent voted yet, but Im curious as to how PG or any of the JSA would defeat an entirely water AM?
Easiest way to do this: Starman. His cosmic rod can project some seriously intense energy that could start vaporizing a water-being or just contain him in a bubble of cosmic energy. True, AM can then mimic the cosmic energy but as I said earlier that would be a _really_ dumb idea because (in best Ed Norton) he's just Jack's plaything.
The vortex DD and others refer to Flash making has nothing to do with preventing AM from breathing. It does, however, spray and disperse the water everywhere and as we've seen in the past this is a bad thing for AM. He won't be able to water-pin Flash either as you suggest: Jay can vibrate to a state of intangibility.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 09:15
Originally posted by odieses
Flash pops klaw while doing his attack his unlikely. For one he is a normal man and that type of attack will not slow him down it will stop him cold in his tracks.
A man who runs super-fast and can vibrate to intangibility is just "a normal man"? Wonder where you live. :) In all seriousness though, the problem here is that Klaw's attack at its' fastest only travels @1000 ft/sec. That sounds impressively fast - until you realize that if we _halve_ Jay's speed for this tournament he's moving 93,000 _miles_/second. I think that's a wee bit faster than Klaw's sound bursts. If anything Jay can see the burst coming out of that projector and easily dodge it. PG, for that matter, is faster than the speed of sound (though she won't be able to see the sound-burst as fast as Jay so may be a bit slower reacting - however, an incoming PG is going to get her attack off prior to Klaw's burst).
Oh, and my commentary about Jack's force-field was to point out that if Jack can make an essentially "airtight" environmental force-field, he can probably keep out a soundburst. His communication if he so desires can be via the radio-waves the cosmic rod is perfectly capable of controlling (which, assumably, is part of the way he "talks" in space).
You have the JSA dropping because they're deafened and clenching an injury? Seems to go against a lot of their appearances, but, hey, I admit that's a subjective call. :)
I don't think it's been established that the modern Power Girl is "faster than sound". If so, she has never used that speed to my knowledge. She's listed in the Secret Files (http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=powergirl) as having "fantastic" speed, but it's never been utilised to anything like Flash level. There was also that Birds of Prey issue (which I know is widely regarded as not cannon) where she wasn't fast enough to stop two bombs powered by outboard-motors heading in different directions.
I think pG is powerful enough without going Hyper-sonic.
Maniac_nmt
04/13/2004, 09:42
hmmm...actually DTM makes a good point. Creel Can absorb water, and can form and retain shapes as it as shown in Captain America issue 25 or 26 when he absorbs the liquid from a large water tank and goes after Cap.
In this environment there is a very large ocean to be dealt with. Creel can litterally absorb it all. That to me says to big to be vortex'd and to big to be vaporized.
Erg, a giant Hydroman...interesting, will have to think about that.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 09:50
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
hmmm...actually DTM makes a good point. Creel Can absorb water, and can form and retain shapes as it as shown in Captain America issue 25 or 26 when he absorbs the liquid from a large water tank and goes after Cap.
In this environment there is a very large ocean to be dealt with. Creel can litterally absorb it all. That to me says to big to be vortex'd and to big to be vaporized.
Erg, a giant Hydroman...interesting, will have to think about that.
Except that when I voiced concerns about AM being in the tournament (back in the nominations thread) DTM emphasized that this version of Creed didn't have unlimited "size structuring" mimicry capabilities. IE: He couldn't start mimicing the whole urban environment and pull an Earth-X. I'm going to guess while he could become a large hydro being (vapor-bait) DTM's limitation would prevent Creel from taking on the whole ocean mass (as even in the past when he's fighting in a harbor, for example, he hasn't taken on the size of the Atlantic :) ).
Maniac_nmt
04/13/2004, 09:53
except that the beach isn't the whole and environment, and DTM himself is saying he can do this.
he doesn't absorb the Atlantic because it's to much to absorb, however the body of water in a 1 mile radius (exempting the island) is still a lot, even half that much water would be enough to cover the island so that any air breathers drowned.
I'm not sure Creel would get that far, but it is a thought none the less.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 10:02
Originally posted by rouge2
I don't think it's been established that the modern Power Girl is "faster than sound". If so, she has never used that speed to my knowledge. She's listed in the Secret Files (http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=powergirl) as having "fantastic" speed, but it's never been utilised to anything like Flash level. There was also that Birds of Prey issue (which I know is widely regarded as not cannon) where she wasn't fast enough to stop two bombs powered by outboard-motors heading in different directions.
I think pG is powerful enough without going Hyper-sonic.
No, Kara is nowhere near Flash level (and pretty sure I didn't say she was :) ), but she's still extraordinary fast. We've seen her break MACH more than a few times while flying and we've seen her catch bullets (which, at least in my opinion, would require extraordinary speed). While I realize RPG's are far from canon I do know folks on here loooove to cite the Marvel RPG; the latest version of the DC RPG (not the best, IMHO, but the only one I have nearby at the moment) had her easily at super-sonic (difficulty 1 to go 2000 miles/hr while speed of sound (through an air medium at sea level ) is roughly 730 mph). Kara, however, I will admit seems to shy away from using the superhuman speeds except for flight time or to get in a quick extra punch or two (everytime she's used her enhanced speeds, at least, it seems as if she's unwieldly at it).
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 10:26
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
except that the beach isn't the whole and environment, and DTM himself is saying he can do this.
he doesn't absorb the Atlantic because it's to much to absorb, however the body of water in a 1 mile radius (exempting the island) is still a lot, even half that much water would be enough to cover the island so that any air breathers drowned.
I'm not sure Creel would get that far, but it is a thought none the less.
I thought the arena was a five-mile radius (assumably going that deep as well)? That may be part of our miscommunication - when you say he can absorb all of the ocean around here, I'm picking a far larger body of water. :)
However, even using the one mile radius still seems far vaster than most anything we've seen Creel do in the past. When we have seem him use his water form previously he didn't get much bigger than usual (even when he had the potential to get vast - such as touching a large body of water). Part of this seems Creel's mentality - he mimics what he feels are the property of an item and to him water doesn't translate to "big" (in fact the only times he's really gotten massive was when he mimiced a skys####er because in his mind one of the primary properties of a skys####er is that it's big). If Creel in his "classic version" truely mimiced based on the size of an object than he'd be miniscule touching that vibranium, for example. There are, in fact, a few occasions where attempting to mimic water has caused his defeat by dispersal: Thor #206-207 and then again when fighting the Avengers (Ms. Marvel, Beast, Wonder Man, Hawkeye, Iron Man and Vizh) in #183-184 he tried mimicing the ocean and ended up mentally dispersing himself (when he finally regained physical coherency months later he was still mentally scrambled). So, honestly, if we're going with "Classic Creel" I'd say taking on too much ocean would be a bad thing (and possibly even something to which Creel is adverse).
Maniac_nmt
04/13/2004, 10:47
yes, but how much is to much. The water tower he mimics is a rathre large container, with enough water to form a wave over most of the roof he fights Cap on. He doesn't stay in this form true, but he's also trying to mix forms up as fast as he can to catch Cap off guard and defeat him.
So it appears, at least to me, that he can absorb/mimic a body of water big enough that can't be vortex'd/vaporized, and yet not be out of his limits.
The JSA's saving grace is that Creel probably won't go for that substance to start. He's far more likely to absorb the steel of his wrecking ball, or the sand. Which the JSA can handle. I figure Creel is only bright enough to go for the water when the going gets tough, and at that stage it's to late to make a difference.
No, the more I think about it, the more I think a water based creel would hurt this (and any team really) team badly, but he's just not bright enough to go for water first.
I'll stay with my JSA vote, but a good idea there DTM none the less.
CyberVenom
04/13/2004, 11:18
Round 1:
Wizard takes down Atom Smasher.
Klaw takes down Starman, but is taken down by Flash.
Blastaar takes down Hawkman.
Mr. Terrific takes down Trapster.
Power Girl takes down Absorbing Man.
Round 2:
Flash and Mr. Terrific take down Wizard.
Blastaar takes down Mr. Terrific.
Round 3:
Flash and Power Girl take down Blastaar.
Winner: JSA.
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
No, the more I think about it, the more I think a water based creel would hurt this (and any team really) team badly, but he's just not bright enough to go for water first.
Well, at least two teams in this tournament would have laughed at a watery Creel - both Legion teams. All of their members fly and have space-tight life-support. ;)
I, too, am siding with the JSA. Do I really have to re-iterate everyone else's reasons?
As for the H2O AM vs. the JSA - Hawkman, Jack & Power Girl fly, Atom Smasher can grow large enough to keep his head above however much water Creel can throw and Flash runs across water like it's pavement. I'm not sure if Mr. Terrific's mask has an air-supply or not, but he could certainly be carried by a team-mate or hop a ride inside Jack's force-bubble.
Of course, Klaw and Trapster don't fly... :laugh:
But its not about flying, AM would be ALIVE as the water, and would use all of the waters strength to hold his captives UNDER. Hes NOT just some mansized puddle of water here.
C'mon now this water stuff is fun and all, but it is pretty clearly outside of Absorbing Man's normal parameters. If Creel could reasonably become about 1/3 of a five mile environemt then that should have been a tactic everyone claimed he would use in all the matches, it isn't as if the water here is better than him absorbing the air and becomeing all the air in the arena and just refusing to allow himself to be breathed by the opposing team, or becoming the ground and sucking the other team under himself, infact that is an even better suffocation effect than being the water. Yet this never occured to anyone for two matches running, but now here he is going to do it just because there is water? Again I stand by my guns that if Absorbing Man uses tactics like this to win less than 51% of fights with foes against whom it would be similarly effective than it should not mandate a 51% win ratio here, as Creel's track record shows that this tactic will be employed less than 51% of the time.
Im not saying he could become ALL of the water here, but he can still become a water being, using its own strength and endurance to replace his own, AND control the water in the area around him, like a slightly more powerful Hydro Man. I was just curious how the JSA would combat this, and so far, which was a Good Answer, the best answer is Flash running around AM and dispersing him, which I can see.
Also, Im not sure any energy blasts would hurt AM as he can absorb them as well.
I still feel Flash will not simply start every battle by running to the other team and punching each of them in .000001 seconds.
CapAmerica24
04/13/2004, 19:11
But he could! ;)
So Flash can and WILL KO any non superhumanly durable character the JSA face before anyone else can even make a thought? And now Power Girl is now as strong as Captain Marvel, stronger than Wonder Man, Thing, She Hulk and Wonder Woman? Sheesh, I need to be alittle more throughout on my teams criteria here. :)
If both of these are so, the JSA is going to CRUSH the Avengers next Round, as Flash will KO Scarlet Witch and Cap in .00001 seconds, and Power Girl is going to rip Tonys suit in half, as Captain Marvel did in my earlier battle with these two behemoths. And thats only 2 of the JSAs 6 members. GULP
Maybe not before the JSA take a little while to plan no, but most other teams will talk amongst themselves for a time as well so they cancel out. After that, I don't see any reason not to, after all what would you do if you could travel nearly at the speed of light and still perceive everything around you at normal time? It is well within Flashes powers to travel at theses speeds, in "Injustice Be Done" Jay's arch-enemy Rival (who is essentially exactly the same as Jay only evil) is described as travelling one-hundered times faster than the speed of sound, both of them travel 400 miles fighting each other the whole time in the space of a single breath (according to the writer).
I KNEW I shouldnt have let ANY Flashes in this tournament. In most cases, he alone finishes the battle before it begins.
proditor
04/13/2004, 19:29
My belated vote: JSA
So Flash can and WILL KO any non superhumanly durable character the JSA face before anyone else can even make a thought? And now Power Girl is now as strong as Captain Marvel, stronger than Wonder Man, Thing, She Hulk and Wonder Woman? Sheesh, I need to be alittle more throughout on my teams criteria here.
Yea, almost certainly the team with the best chance of taking them out was the Teen Titans back in Round 1 (who know the JSA and had Jericho and Kid Flash), or maybe the JLA with Wondy.
Truth be told, I thought PG had around She Hulk level strength and durability, not Captain Marvels. Had I known, she would not have been allowed on this team, but hey, whateryagonnado. :)
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 19:47
Originally posted by DTM
Also, Im not sure any energy blasts would hurt AM as he can absorb them as well.
Yeah, he can "absorb" (mimic) them but as I've pointed out that would be a _really_ bad idea for Creel as the energy blasts flying around this battle come from Starman (assuming you're saying Creel is absorbing the beams with which he's being attacked). The second he becomes a form of energy, the cosmic rod owns his little bald conehead.
So his Rod...uh...Control Rod can absorb energy, and that much energy to boot?
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 19:51
If it makes you feel any better DTM, Kara's bragging aside she's not really a match for Captain Marvel. :) She is, however, a very heavy hitter with superspeed, invulnerability, mildly enhanced senses (not Superman level but she's definitely better than a "mere mortal") and flight (and sometimes a regenerating costume if the CCA is watching :) ).
And, yeah, remember how many times I said GL was probably a lot safer than Flash on the JSA team? There's a reason Flash I said I thought Jay was a bit unbalancing. :) At least Alan had the wood weakness. ;)
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 19:55
Originally posted by DTM
So his Rod...uh...Control Rod can absorb energy, and that much energy to boot?
Yep, especially if it's cosmic energy or gravitational energy or any of the other "star related" energy which he utilizes. The whole mechanism behind the rod is that it absorbs energy for Jack's usage (including ambient energy which it collects and amplifies).
Hey, I was with you there with the wood, but Sentinel got way too many complaints so he had to go.
Also, Ive had many people here say Power Girl is stronger than Wonder Man, Thing and Wonder Woman, which BY ITSELF isnt so bad, BUT coupling it with the FASTEST MAN ALIVE who can KO any non durable character almost BEFORE the battle starts, and a character that can absorb energy on a tremendous level, I dont see how The Avengers even have a chance against them.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 20:10
Honestly, I'm kind of happy Alan didn't enter the contest or we'd have seen some truely ludicrous wood arguements (e.g.: Absorbing Man becomes wood so he can KO GL; yeah because given a choice Creel _always_ picks the palm tree over the rock. :) ).
Well, it won't be a total walk for the JSA (especially with Avengers having a possible popularity advantage). Tony is a bit tough for Jay to just "pop" and has gone toe-to-toe with some serious bruisers. Vision is going to be tough as well, with his phasing, for example. Nontheless, I do agree the JSA might very well have this tournament.
Power Girl isn't stronger than Wonder Woman, they are about equal in strength, Wonder Woman has a bunch of bonus stuff on top of that. Either of them is about equal in strength to Captain Marvel as well, Marvel has lightning effects and a wisdom guy giving him crib notes. So Power Girl's total package isn't as good as either of them, she has all the strength and durability, but none of the warrior training and artifacts, or the advice goober and added magical damage. Wonder Man is definently weaker than either, as shown by JLA/Avenger's and I always thought that Thing was a pretty middlin brick, maybe around Hercules or so.
Originally posted by DTM
Hey, I was with you there with the wood, but Sentinel got way too many complaints so he had to go.
Also, Ive had many people here say Power Girl is stronger than Wonder Man, Thing and Wonder Woman, which BY ITSELF isnt so bad, BUT coupling it with the FASTEST MAN ALIVE who can KO any non durable character almost BEFORE the battle starts, and a character that can absorb energy on a tremendous level, I dont see how The Avengers even have a chance against them.
As I've said over and over - can the Flash do these things? Yes. Does he do them regularly? No.
And any way, it doesn't matter. You've been following all these vs. threads and tournaments, what with you running them and all...
Don't you remember? Captain America is even more unbeatable than a Grant Morrison-written Uber-Bat! :laugh:
Hey, that's how people have been arguing :p
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Honestly, I'm kind of happy Alan didn't enter the contest or we'd have seen some truely ludicrous wood arguements (e.g.: Absorbing Man becomes wood so he can KO GL; yeah because given a choice Creel _always_ picks the palm tree over the rock. :) ).
Well, it won't be a total walk for the JSA (especially with Avengers having a possible popularity advantage). Tony is a bit tough for Jay to just "pop" and has gone toe-to-toe with some serious bruisers. Vision is going to be tough as well, with his phasing, for example. Nontheless, I do agree the JSA might very well have this tournament.
Oh, I didnt count on Flash to KO Iron Man or Vision, Power Girl with Captain Marvel level strength and durabilty will rip Tony apart as easily here as he did in my earlier battle with the two. StarMan will absorb and redirect every energy blast Vision does, and Flash will KO Cap and Scarlet Witch before the word GO. Seems like our Grand Finale might be a lost cause for the Avengers.
Rokk_Krinn
04/13/2004, 20:27
I wouldn't go so far as to say Jack will "parry" each beam fired off by the Vision - Vizh is one fast SOB (plus he has the phase trick of passing through Starman). Jack wouldn't be the worst one to take on Vizh (as that cosmic rod - or staff, if you prefer :) - is pretty dang versatile) but we're getting a day ahead of ourselves. ;)
One of my main points about Creel is that if he absorbed Jack's energy beams then all he did was set himself up to be absorbed by Jack in return (kind-of the way Dazzler sponged up Klaw a couple decades back). Actually, I could really see that happening with the way Absorbing Man fights: he soaks in the beam by mimicing the blast and Jack proceeds to "impale and absorb" the Absorbing Man with the cosmic staff. C'mon, surely I'm not the only one who can picture the artwork for that panel. :)
Mr_Clicky
04/13/2004, 21:31
C'mon people; you know it, I know it....
The JSA wins. Pretty easily even.
Now; bring on the grand finale;
Marvel vs DC
Avengers vs JSA
Could it be any more thrilling?
So his Rod...uh...Control Rod can absorb energy, and that much energy to boot?
Stargirl (Jack's successor) used it to recharge Superman (star-powered, after all, like yellow sun) from mortal levels to back in Superman's fighting shape. So it's storage abilities are pretty good.
Gentlegamer
04/13/2004, 22:02
It seems pretty much over, but:
JSA!
I wouldn't worry about the finale being a rout DTM. The Freedom Fighters were much more dangerous than the JSA are and they got crushed. Max Mercury can do anything Flash can do, Ray is better and Starman, Black Condor doesn't have Hawkman's physical might, but he does have a ray gun. JSA has got better bruisers in Power Girl and Atom Smasher than FF had in Uncle Sam and Munroe, but to even that out u have Terrific as opposed to Magno, Phantom Lady, Miss America, and the Human Bomb.
GoldenAge
04/14/2004, 11:16
Originally posted by Rando
I wouldn't worry about the finale being a rout DTM. The Freedom Fighters were much more dangerous than the JSA are and they got crushed. Max Mercury can do anything Flash can do, Ray is better and Starman, Black Condor doesn't have Hawkman's physical might, but he does have a ray gun. JSA has got better bruisers in Power Girl and Atom Smasher than FF had in Uncle Sam and Munroe, but to even that out u have Terrific as opposed to Magno, Phantom Lady, Miss America, and the Human Bomb.
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