Marvel/DC Battles: TEAM Tournament Of Champions: Round 4, Match 2

[DTM]

Well, the Frightful Fours road to advance had to end sometime, and it was the JSA from another universe that managed to finally do so. It will be the JSA, and the Winner of THIS next battle, that will fight one another to the KO, or death in the HFCs case, to see which team can claim the Ultimate Prize here.

We conclude this Semi Final Round with a Marvel Vs Marvel battle, good vs evil, hero against villian. So without further hesitation, allow me to present:


AVENGERS #1 VS. THE HELLFIRE CLUB


Avengers #1 – Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch

Hellfire Club - Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw


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TEAM TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS


ROUND 1

Jusitce League #1 VS. Justice League #3: Justice League #3
(Steel, Metamorpho, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Rocket Red)

Titans VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Marauders VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)

X-Men #1 VS. Legion Of Super-Heroes #1: X-Men #1
(Banshee, Colossus, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolverine)

Alpha Flight VS. Avengers #2: Avengers #2
(Wonder Man, Warbird, Hawkeye, Wasp, Crystal, Spider-Man)

Defenders VS. Masters Of Evil #1: Defenders
(Dr. Strange, Namor, Beast, Black Knight, Valkyrie, Hellcat)

Fantastic Four VS. X-Force: Fantastic Four
(Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk)

Sinister Six VS. X-Men #2: X-Men #2
(Phoenix, Gambit, Rogue, Archangel (metal wings), Havok, Bishop, Iceman (Pre Emma Frost))

Frightful Four VS. The Brotherhood: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)

Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. New Warriors: Legion Of Super-Heroes #2
(Princess Projectra, Star Boy, Timber Wolf, Karate Kid, Tellus, Shrinking Violet, Lightning Lass)

Avengers #1 VS. Young Justice: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)

Freedom Fighters VS. Secret Society Of Super-Villians: Freedom Fighters
(Uncle Sam, Miss America, The Ray, Magno, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, “Iron” Monroe, Phantom Lady, Max Mercury)

Masters Of Evil #2 VS. Outsiders: Outsiders
(Geo-Force, Katana, Looker, Halo, Black Lightning, Atomic Knight, Arsenal, Terra II)

Justice League #2 VS. Excalibur: Justice League #2
(Batman, Plastic Man, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Huntress)

New Mutants VS. Exiles: Exiles
(Blink, Thunderbird (Non War Mode), Nocturne, The Mimic, Sunfire, Sasquatch, Magik, Morph)

Inhumans VS. Suicide Squad: Inhumans
(Gorgon, Black Bolt (No Voice Attacks), Karnak, Medusa, Triton, Lockjaw)


ROUND 2

Avengers #2 VS. Defenders: Defenders
(Dr. Strange, Namor, Beast, Black Knight, Valkyrie, Hellcat)

Inhumans VS. X-Men #2: Inhumans
(Gorgon, Black Bolt (No Voice Attacks), Karnak, Medusa, Triton, Lockjaw)

JSA VS. Justice League #3: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Avengers #1 VS. Freedom Fighters: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)

X-Men #1 VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw, Frederick Von Roehm)

Frightful Four VS. Exiles: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)

Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. Outsiders: Legion Of Super-Heroes #2
(Princess Projectra, Star Boy, Timber Wolf, Karate Kid, Tellus, Shrinking Violet, Lightning Lass)

Fantastic Four VS. Justice League #2: Fantastic Four
(Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing, She Hulk)


ROUND 3

Defenders VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Fantastic Four VS. Frightful Four: Frightful Four
(Wizard, Klaw, Blastaar, Trapster, Absorbing Man)

Avengers #1 VS. Inhumans: Avengers #1
(Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Giant Man, Scarlet Witch)

Legion Of Super-Heroes #2 VS. Hellfire Club: Hellfire Club
(Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Trevor Fitzroy, Shinobi Shaw)


ROUND 4

Frightful Four VS. JSA: JSA
(Flash I, Power Girl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Starman (Jack), Atom Smasher)

Avengers #1 VS. Hellfire Club: ??????

[bluebeetle]

the avengers!!!

[coad14]

hellfire club.

[Manchine]

Well with Vision being immune to White Queen.

AVENGERS #1

[Gorrack]

I have to vote Hellfire Club. Emma can take out Tony, and Cap and the others are not going to do too well vs the numbers game at all. It comes down to whether or not the Hellfire Club, minus a few members, can work together and take down Vision, who is a really tough foe. It would be tough IMO but I think they have the power, and numbers, to do it. Avengers are short manned and it will hurt them this game. Again Emma can hide intangible and stop pretty much everyone with Vision...especially with the Hellfire Clubs numbers and fairly tricky members. I see no doubt why the Hellfire Club couldn't make it 4-5 of their members or more vs Vision in the end. I am not 100% that they could take Vision like that, but I am pretty confident none the less. As good as Cap is, he could not beat Sebastian Shaw...Shaw is too strong and when he gets pumped full of power than he is just TOO tough for him to take. Cap would lay a pouding on him early in the most vicious way, landing many blows that would take out any normal man but Shaw just gets stronger. This is just the sort of fight ( Minus Vision :P ) that the HC love. They have numbers so they can pick their fights as best they like. If it were a 6 on 6 fight, I'd vote Avengers probably...but the numbers DO add up, and the longer it takes the Avengers to drop members, the more damage Emma does, and Vision will eventually be taken down. Vision though, I must admit, is a really bad pull for the HC here. Still, a rather confident vote in the HC.

[CaptainMarvel]

Hate to agree with a pirate but I do.

I also don't see how she could effect Tony either. Telepathy defense is a priority with him. (you know the whole "you know want a drink" thing)

Seriously he has #### good telepathy defense I could see Professor X Maybe but if Juggs helmet can stop Prof X I don't see how WQ could affect Ironman.

[CaptainMarvel]

Originally posted by Gorrack
Emma can take out Tony,

I disagree. nicely of course.

[green_knight]

The way I see it, Emma will get SOMEONE. If not Iron Man, Vision or Cap, definetely Giant Man, and very possibly Scarlett Witch. Either of those being swung to the Hellfire Club's side, even for a few seconds, will make a BIG difference. The rest I see more or less even,

so I vote for the Hellfire Club.

[NickFury15]

Avengers take this. Many times, with the Marvel vs. DC battles, people can be surprised. This is all Marvel, and the Avengers will know that White Queen is the major priority, and have IM and/or Vision take her out early.

It seems like the Hellfire Club are really depending on Emma. If she goes down (pardon the pun), the rest of the team goes down with her.

[SilverAgeFlash]

Yea Hell Fire Emma gets controll of Giant Man and or scarlet and i dont see how avengers can recover.

Vote= hellfire club

[CaptainMarvel]

Originally posted by NickFury15
Avengers take this. Many times, with the Marvel vs. DC battles, people can be surprised. This is all Marvel, and the Avengers will know that White Queen is the major priority, and have IM and/or Vision take her out early.

It seems like the Hellfire Club are really depending on Emma. If she goes down (pardon the pun), the rest of the team goes down with her.

Good point she does seem to be the focal point of thier chances at winning.

[Nick Fury Fan]

Avengers!!!

[Grinner]

What we have here is a team with the ability to completely ignore the single offensive tactic that HFC supporters have been using to claim victory in every battle - an intangible Emma Frost.

Vision can't be shut down by Emma and he can take her and Shinobi down even when they're phased. He's also one of the answers to Shaw - his phase-then-solidify attack isn't one that Shaw could absorb and ignore.

Iron Man is also going to be nearly impossible for the HFC to handle either. Sure, he's not likely to drop the phasing pair, but he can certainly handle everyone else on the team. I don't think he's immune to telepathy, but he's certainly resistant.

The Avengers may lack in numbers, but the make up for it in coordination and defenses against the HFC's main attacks.

I vote Avengers to fight the JSA next round.

[Silver Lantern]

Hellfire Club.

[Mastermind]

I think you all may be forgetting one, Harry Leland. With the ability to geometrically increase a person's density to a supremely high degree (as exhibited when he stopped Nimrod), he can certainly put a crimp on Iron Man, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, and even Giant Man. Also, Trevor Fitzroy is not one to be taken with a grain of salt. If he can latch onto someone and steal their life force energy, he will be a huge contender (as well as taking out an opponent in the process). Donald Pierce adds some additional muscle and range to the team. I just want to bring this up since people have been focusing a lot of attention on the Shaws and Miss Frost (even though they are big guns) and seem to forget about the supporting cast.

I vote the HFC.

[dj_sha]

Avengers.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Avengers.

[dj_sha]

Whoops, double post.

[shinigami0079]

avengers take this one because they will know emma is the biggest threat and likely be aware of most of the hellfire club's talents while the "club" should know of the avengers strenghs and capabilites

avengers really only have one major threat to deal with and that's emma frost, the whole harry leland argument is strong yet if he uses his geometrically on iron man or vision, they'll simply blast him and he's done for the fight.



just my 2 cents

[The Charlatan]

Avengers.

The almost certain Avengers VS JSA next round will be a helluva fight...

[coad14]

i have never seen where tony has a resistance to mental attcks. as for juggy's helmut stopping Xavier, so tony's armor could, well, jugy's helmut has a magical spell protecting the user from psyhic attacks while it is being worn, it doesn't JUST stop psi attacks just because.

and how is an intangible vision going to hurt an intangible shinobi? it would be a stalemate at best.

not sure, but while vision is intangible, is he still susectable to gravity? if so, then leland will bring him down. emma will take out the witch, and fitzroy will take down giantman. shaw and cap fight to a standstill (shaw is good, but cap will be able to hold him off for a long time). and then peirce will come to his aid. then emma comes in and finishes them all off.

[supermangl1]

Bah, I say. Avengers will take this one. Emma and Shaw have been the reason they have won every match, or at least the only written about reasons. Vision stops Emma, and with her out of the way, the rest of the Hellfire club will fall. Yeah Avengers will lose Giant Man and Scarlet Witch probably, but Iron Man, Cap, and Vision will be left standing at the end of the day.

I want to see the Avengers and JSA fight it out sooooooo bad.

[CaptainMarvel]

I know Juggy's Helmet is enchanted. I also know that Ironman has anti psi attack devices. Will they stop Emma I think so but am I positive no. I said I wasn't for sure. Also what about Magneto and Dr Doom and there are more. With all these different people using anti Psi devises why is so hard to believe that Tony doesn't have any. If any one could build an anti Telepathy device it is Tony. He has shown evidence of this in his book and the Avengers book in the past.

[SpakSpang]

I have to vote Avengers. I don't think it is really a good arguement that Hellfire club will just make members intangible. Why not do it for their whole team then?

Its just me, but it doesn't seem like an arguement that fits the realm of possibility for a story.

Avengers would take this battle easily more than 50% of the time. Emma Frost could help defeat the Avengers but it isn't going to be more than 50% of the time.

[DreadDormammu]

Avengers.

Every member of the Hellfire Club besides Shaw is all-offense, no-defense and the Avengers will pulverize them before pooling their skills to stop Shaw. Speaking of which, I think Vision's density attack is a good Shaw-stopper.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by Mastermind
I think you all may be forgetting one, Harry Leland. With the ability to geometrically increase a person's density to a supremely high degree (as exhibited when he stopped Nimrod), he can certainly put a crimp on Iron Man, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, and even Giant Man. Also, Trevor Fitzroy is not one to be taken with a grain of salt. If he can latch onto someone and steal their life force energy, he will be a huge contender (as well as taking out an opponent in the process). Donald Pierce adds some additional muscle and range to the team. I just want to bring this up since people have been focusing a lot of attention on the Shaws and Miss Frost (even though they are big guns) and seem to forget about the supporting cast.

I vote the HFC.

That's because in all the other fights even the HFC supporters ignored the supporting cast :laugh:

Too many ranged attackers for Leland to not be taken out if he does manage to start incapacitating someone (and that's if Wanda's hex doesn't give him a heart attack ;) ). Fitzroy can't steal Tony or Vision's life force, and I don't know that he could connect with Cap to do it either.

[DareDevil-fan]

HFC

[SumYungGai]

The Avengers take this. The Avengers have agreater defense, mobility and firepower. The HC does have the psi advantage, but Scarlet Witch more than makes up for it. These Avengers could face down a world-crisis level event. The HC is completely outmatched.

[Numb Skrull]

AVENGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by Mastermind
I think you all may be forgetting one, Harry Leland. With the ability to geometrically increase a person's density to a supremely high degree (as exhibited when he stopped Nimrod), Also, Trevor Fitzroy is not one to be taken with a grain of salt. If he can latch onto someone and steal their life force energy, he will be a huge contender (as well as taking out an opponent in the process). Donald Pierce adds some additional muscle and range to the team.

Nope. Not forgetting Harry Leland. Harry, however, has been shown to be pretty short-range on his gravity increase powers (and a bit of an overweight slob on top of things). I just can't see Iron Man, for example, even bothering to close with Harry. Trevor could be troublesome but certainly not unbeatable to this team - he can't absorb Tony through armour, he can't absorb Vision I wouldn't think and who knows what'll happen if Wanda hexbolts the poor guy. As for Pierce, he's a dangerous combatant in close, but, I admit, the fanboy in me just keeps picturing the scene where Tony overrides those cybernetic systems and causes them to go wild (or, heck, just to give Hank something to do - he pulls an "Incredible Voyage" into Pierce's systems like he used to do with Vision).

This is one of the best teams to drop the Hellfire Club - the Inner Circle may think they're the elite in the world but they're going to be picked apart by the elite.

Vote: Avengers

[DTM]

Originally posted by Manchine
Well with Vision being immune to White Queen.

AVENGERS #1

Hmmmm, would Vision be immune to WQs mental powers, since he seemed to be affected by Martian Manhunters mental abilities in JLA/Avengers #4. Not saying HFC will win, just saying I think the Vision is such and advanced android that he does have a sentient mind and might be able to be affected by a mental assault.

[GoldenAge]

Originally posted by Manchine
Well with Vision being immune to White Queen.

AVENGERS #1
Agreed, plus Iron Man will have a way to deal with Shaw.

Avengers #1

[Silver Ghost]

The HFC have proved to be a veritable BEAST of a team in this competition, but I think they have finally met their match in the AVENGERS Team #1.

AVENGERS for the win!!!:)

[VandalSavage]

I vote....Avengers!!


Mr. Savage

[Rando]

I vote Hellfire Club

Emma mind control's Tony from 1000 feet and has him analyze Vision with all of Iron Man's sensory equipment, once Vision is tangible (and he should be till they close up) Iron Man blasts him as hard as he possibly can destroying Vision utterly and emptying Iron Man's batteries and rendering him inert, effectively removing both foes. There is no way on earth the reamining three Avengers have any chance against an untouched Hellfire Club. I've heard it said that Tony has mental defenses, but until someone provides hard evidence (and I won't accept resistance to hynotism audio and/or visual, this isn't the same as telepathy) then I'm not willing to accept it.

[SumYungGai]

I have never seen the White Queen do anything remotely like that.

[CyberVenom]

Round 1:
Cap takes down Pierce.
Iron Man takes down Leland, but falls to Shinobi Shaw.
Vision takes down Fitzroy.
White Queen takes down Giant Man.
Scarlet Witch and Sebastian fight to a standstill.

Round 2:
Shinobi takes down Cap.
Vision takes down White Queen.
Scarlet Witch begins to get the upper hand on Sebastian.

Round 3:
Vision and Shinobi stalemate.
Scarlet Witch finally takes down Sebastian.

Round 4:
Vision and Scarlet Witch take down Shinobi.

Winner: Avengers, in the best match of the tournament!

[banshee12377]

Hellfire Club

[Rando]

You've never seen White queen mind control someone? That is what she does, she is a mind controller.

[SumYungGai]

If that is the kind of thing she does, than why aren't more X-Men dead?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by DTM
Hmmmm, would Vision be immune to WQs mental powers, since he seemed to be affected by Martian Manhunters mental abilities in JLA/Avengers #4. Not saying HFC will win, just saying I think the Vision is such and advanced android that he does have a sentient mind and might be able to be affected by a mental assault.

Considering we've seen far many more times that no one short of a "god-like being" has successfully exerted mental control over the Vision, I'd say Vision is still immune to mind powers.

Also, not sure we want to start using crossover comics as a reference point as they're not exactly the most "canon" of stories (elsewise I want to go back to round 1 so it can be pointed out how the LSH thrashed a bunch of Sentinels as well as dealt with the "Days of Future Past" X-Men :) ).

[DTM]

True true, just wasnt sure how often the Vision was mentally immune to such attacks. Also, CONTROL would be harder than mental BOLT, if there is a sentient mind in there, and im not sure there is, but if so im willing to bet WQ can damage it.

Current Voting Totals:

Avengers #1 - 20 votes
Hellfire Club - 9 votes

[Perfectstorm]

Avengers in a very quick but deadly battle

[Rando]

Because the x-men usually have two or more telepaths on their team to sense and prevent mental attacks, two of whom (Professor X and Jean Grey) are more powerful than Emma.

[SumYungGai]

I don't want to derail this thread with White Queen vs. the X-Men trivia, so I will leave it with these points:

-Prof. X and/or Jean Grey have not been present for every battle versus Emma Frost.
-I can't think of a single instance in which she has ever forced anyone do something as complex as take someone over from 1000 feet away, have them use their own equipment, make a judgement based on the use of said equipment, and act upon that judgement in such a way as too cause the death of a teammate.

[proditor]

I'm going to go with the Avengers .

[Manchine]

Originally posted by DTM
Hmmmm, would Vision be immune to WQs mental powers, since he seemed to be affected by Martian Manhunters mental abilities in JLA/Avengers #4. Not saying HFC will win, just saying I think the Vision is such and advanced android that he does have a sentient mind and might be able to be affected by a mental assault.


Has Vision ever been affected by a mentalist? In Marvel "no". Has White Queen affected Robots with her power? Again the answer is "no".

Now there is a difference between Marvel and DC Mentalist. DC universe it seems if a mind is human enough they can affect it. Just observation. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :p ;)

[KingBlackBolt]

HFC those avengers should have been out last round and I think White Queen helps a lot here.

[Maniac_nmt]

come on, avengers easy.

Iron Man and vision are both outright immune to the white queen, and Captain America has earth's mightiest will. He fought Nightmare on his home turf and kicked the living hell out of him on shear force of will. Tackling him is a total fubar on the mental arena (hell, he overcame the Interrigator, who held namor in his thrall, and freed himself from the cosmic cube on will and will alone). Plus Wanda's Chaos magic would do wonders to protect her. So really only Hank is vulnerable.

Then it's a total slaughter fest for the avengers, they have range, durability, teamwork, leadership, wider abilities. Any Avenger can take shaw down in this environment, they can't blast the bejeebies out of the HFC at range (other then shaw), and witchie can nail the phased foes.

How can the avengers not win this is a better question?

[Maniac_nmt]

that would be they can blast, not can't

[DTM]

Well, strength of will is GREAT, and itll help HEAPS with mind control, BUT not a mental bolt sent straight into your brain.

[Maniac_nmt]

ah, and yes the Iron Man suit renders tony immune to mind controlling devices and powers. This was explored when he faced the controller, and again faced the mandarin shortly after the heros reborn saga (the Mandarin is a massive mind controlling mentalist, and even he didn't try to mc tony in the armor).

[Maniac_nmt]

emma is far more prone to tackle you and drag you in for fun on the mental plane.

Also, it took nightmare days/weeks to subvert cap, ie mentally knock him out such as your suggesting emma do in one pop.

So a god took time, but emma does it right out, erm, no

[DTM]

Ive seen Emma more often just blast her opponents mind then drag them into the astral plane. Especially against Capt America, someone Emma KNOWS has UNREAL willpower.

[Rokk_Krinn]

'course while Emma is busy reading minds to figure out whom she's fighting, Iron Man may very well be streaking towards the non-flying HFC to do some aerial bombardment runs, especially with his sensors picking up opponents and prioritizing targets _fast_.

Know what else I just remembered: none of the HFC flies. Turkey shoot for Iron Man and Vizh. :)

[Mr_Clicky]

Avengers win.

Now let's get to the main event...

;)

[Gentlegamer]

Avengers

[Q99]

Now there is a difference between Marvel and DC Mentalist. DC universe it seems if a mind is human enough they can affect it. Just observation.

Even more so in the case of Martian Manhunter, since not only is dealing with alien minds the 'norm' for him, but he can adjust his brain to fit. Probably one of the best mentalists in either realm.

Btw, I vote for Iron Man & Pals.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I'm with Clicky. Can we just have the "Slaughter Rule" invoked so we can have more time to really get into the debate that's about to ensue over Avengers vs. JSA? :)

[Spyder-Man]

Frost is going to drop early and she's the best bet the HFC has. Vision is going to wreak havock phasing in and out and smacking people around. With all that going on I doubt the HFC club is going to be able to drop the Avengers.

[Q99]

Actually, at my count they're only 16 ahead...

[petenliz9]

heckfire club

[Black_Rook]

Avengers

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by Q99
Actually, at my count they're only 16 ahead...

Yeah, I realize it's not the true twenty needed but honestly it's close enough and I just can't see the HFC making that big of a comeback. I guess I'm just being overconfident but short of a surprisingly overwhelming arguement that sways a lot of voters to switch sides, I think the Avengers have this fight. :)

'Course with my luck it's my considerations of this fight being over that's the "overwhelming arguement" and folks switch just out of protest. :laugh:

[DreadDormammu]

I think it is ridiculous to keep claiming all these Avengers would be immune to the White Queen. But you know what? It doesn't matter. She can only take out one at a time and she will be pounded by another. She won't get up after she is hit either.

Leland is the exact same story. Again, only Shaw will survive past page one of this comic book battle and he can't take all five Avengers.

[brendanbrown]

Well, I dont know about Iron man being IMMUNE to mental attacks, but, the real reason the Avengers will take this is because they have 2 flyers. One of them being immune to the only way the HFC can get to a flyer. Vision and IM take to the sky early, Tony figures out that the HFC depend on White queen either from background knowlege or by seeing who is giving orders(unless shaw is pulling the strings). they could both easily take her out before she does to much damage to the rest of the team. She MIGHT be able to take out Giant Man before she goes down, so I will give them the benifit of the doubt and remove him from my equation

Witch takes out fitzroy, relatively easy
cap fights sebastion to a standstill
Iron Man takes out Pierce and fights with Leland
Vision fights Shinobi to a standstill

Witch + Cap beat Sebastion, Witch out
Ironman is incapacitated by Leland
Vision & Shinobi fight continues

Witch + cap beat Leland
Vision starts to get the upperhand on Shinobi
Ironman struggles with now heavy as hell armour

Cap useless against shinobi
Witch + Vision defeat Shinobi

Ironman able to struggle with armour and get the last shot in to seal the deal against Shin

Vote: Avengers Tm. 1

[DreadDormammu]

Originally posted by brendanbrown
Tony figures out that the HFC depend on White queen either from background knowlege or by seeing who is giving orders(unless shaw is pulling the strings).Historically, the Hellfire Club doesn't use much tactical coordination. But when someone gives orders, it is always Shaw.

[brendanbrown]

Yeah, I figured, but I didnt have anything else to support why Tony would know Emma was the main problem, so I just kinda threw that in...:noid:

[ultron police5]

OMG, cant you see the HFC is better. they should win
I vote for the HFC.

[SteveRogers]

Avengers for the win

[JayThor]

Avengers.

[Laenan]

Hellfire Club.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by ultron police5
OMG, cant you see the HFC is better. they should win
I vote for the HFC.

Nope. I can't see (must be my continual rallying of Dr. Mid-Nite fans). Please show me why they're better. :)

[Prof. Aragorn]

The Hellfire club will no doubt put up a tough front, but once vision sees his buddies fallin' he's goin for Shaw and Emma. With them out it's phase and solidify, and maybe a few would still be alive to help out vihz.
Avengers for the win please

[Bannerfan]

The Inhumans were better than the avengers were but dont worry its a who gets the most vosts contest and its fun. My vote is for the HellFire Club.

[silverstein]

Hey Banner I guess we are on the same page again My vote is for hellfire club.

[Gambit]

It looks like I'm on a different page.

My vote's Avengers, Hands Down.

[techdog]

I vote the Avengers. I think any team that is depending on one person (Emma) is going to be taken out by a good team. Now, so far in this tourney, that theory has been wrong everytime a mentalist fought a team without one, but, since the Avengers made it this far, and Emma has no answer to Vision, and the HFC has no way to get into the air to take out Vision or Iron Man, and it is Cap and Witch (whose magick would really mess up the HFC members) I am going to go with the Avengers, although I think they should have lost to the Inhumans, I would have voted for the Inhumans over the HFC as well. Good fight, but Avengers win.

[Dalandow]

Avengers

[kamui]

My Vote: Avengers

[SteveRogers]

I hear that Tony's armor and Vision himself are able to take out Emma because they're systems are immune to it but people will argue thats not true. So, let's not take Captain America out of the picture with Emma. Cap maybe caught up with Shaw, but what if Emma gets to Cap. Not a problem, Cap can take her himself. If you all remember back in the mini-series Secret War, Cap used some willpower and broke through Enchantress's little mind spell and knocked her out of the picture. And Enchantress is much more powerful plus that of a god which puts her on more step ahead. A little something to think about.

[coad14]

Originally posted by techdog
I vote the Avengers. I think any team that is depending on one person (Emma) is going to be taken out by a good team. Now, so far in this tourney, that theory has been wrong everytime a mentalist fought a team without one,


if that were the case, the x-men team with Jean Grey on it would still be here:( .

[Cryomancer]

ugh...i hate the avengers and im giving them my vote this time reluctantly. Two aerial ranged attackers is alot to handle for a team with no one like that. The other reasons I just hate. I think I can count the number of times cap has lost a fight (no matter how many opponents there are) on one hand in his many, many years of exsistance. Thats something I hate in super heroes but thats another thread. Iron mans suit is insane too, Ive seen posts where there has been a different device in his suit each time for every different attack style and power so he is immune to it. I reluctantly vote avengers.

[Grundy22]

I vote avengers, but I think it would be a closer battle than people think. I don't think IM would be immune to Emma mindcontrolling, but I do think he would have the willpower to resist for at least a little and while he is fighting Vision would see his friend in trouble and go after the Queen. I also think the Avengers would probably lose Giant Man and Cap, but after Vision takes out Emma and IM gets back in the game the rest are just flybys for those two.

[chase_jyd]

Avengers,

The HFC has powerful individuals who might be able to take down any single Avenger in the match. But the Avengers are the better team, are used to acting as a trained, coordinated tactical unit, and have people with varying resistances to the attacks that will be thrown at them.

The HFC is a bunch of powerful individuals who spend as much time with politics and social manipulation as in any kind of battle. And very few of them will stand up for long to attacks by any individual Avenger present.

Whether any Avengers are a match for Emma's abilities or not, even if she takes down one, she goes down soon after. From then on, its a rout. Not because of any single one on one match, but because this is a contest of teams, and pound for pound, the Avengers are the better /team/ present.

[Maniac_nmt]

iron man's suit is insane, he's a watered down pre crisis super man, the writers basically invent a new ability for him every month.

It's always 'thank goodness I just installed this spell gravitational distortion ray just incase I had to fight graviton, which, wow, i am' or ' lucky i put in this new mentally controlled device disabler to render dr. octopus' arms inert, even though I never fight him, cause you know my writer just might have me fight him once'.

Tony is not wholly immune in his suit, but it takes pretty top level psionics to effect him, and takes much longer and much more concentration then WQ is going to get. He does pack a host of energy refraction/absorbtion/redirrection devices in his suit, because he fights a lot of energy wielders, and so on. As the suits basically contain anything a previous version carried, it gets a little inane after a while.

[Maniac_nmt]

the controller, and mandarin cannot control him in his suit by the by, so I doubt Emma could ever get that chance in this battle.

[Rando]

Well if the Controller or Mandarin couldn't control Iron Man then he apparently does have a telepathy block in place. I"ll change my vote to Avengers (like it matters) if Emma can't take Iron Man then he can take this whole team single handed.

[hawkeye2831]

I vote Avengers.