Marvel Universe Rules, PAC and Figure Gallery

[Draddog]

WizKids has posted the Universe Rules, PAC and Figure gallery:<UL><LI><A HREF="http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/documents/Marvel_Universe_Rulebook.pdf">Rule book</A><LI><A HREF="http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/documents/Marvel_Universe_PAC.pdf">PAC</A><LI><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi">Units Section</A></UL>

[Silver Lantern]

The premium figs rock! Spidey is awesome!

[Tarnish]

Was hoping the new team abillities would be listed.

Tarnish

[ncernak]

Finally an updated rulebook!!!

[billok55]

For 40 Points that E spiderman is a great tie up piece, LC all down the dial, decent av, and super senses.
Maybe I will buy the starter.

-=Bill=-

[Yeti]

Hey! MOE says attack! Didn't they just FAQ that? AHHHHHHH!!!!!

Oh yeah I thought the new TA's would be listed too.

Oh well.

[webhead817]

Those starter figs all look solid to me.

[deathsythe]

I too thought that the new team abilities where expose to be listed in there, interesting.

[RavenProject]

I'd been worried that the SOs would be nice "teaching" figures, but less worthwhile for long-term players. But these are all great figures -- especially since five of the six fit into themes that I love to play.

This will definitely be money well spent.

-J

[Silver Lantern]

Yes, that starter will be the best $12 bucks spent on Heroclix for many

[thugit]

It would be nice if I could get the links to come up....


<kicks ground in front of him>

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by Yeti
Hey! MOE says attack! Didn't they just FAQ that? AHHHHHHH!!!!!

Oh yeah I thought the new TA's would be listed too.

Oh well.

I noticed that too! ARGGGGGG!

I guess it doesn't matter, since there almost no MoE in Universe . . .

[thugit]

Hobgoblin still stinks. Not that I give a carp.

[Mar-vell]

Yeah, the starter figs do look awesome. Billok, you forgot to mention that Spidey has his team ability. Even better.

But I'm really disappointed about the team abilities. I hoped the new ones would be listed and they'd improve MoE and SHIELD (since it took a hit by the rule of 3).

[Mar-vell]

Don't know why it wouldn't let me edit. That sounded kind of confusing the way I was talking about TA in two separate contexts. Obviously, in the second instance I was refering to the the PAC.

[AlgertMan]

is that a new map in the starter?

i cant tell

[Yeti]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
I noticed that too! ARGGGGGG!

I guess it doesn't matter, since there almost no MoE in Universe . . .

I thought that there wasn't a single one?
Who made it in?

[Greenandgold]

The new Spiderman rocks!

Wolverine and Sabretooth are also very nice.

[DreadDormammu]

There are no Masters of Evil in Universe.

[DreadDormammu]

It is very irritating that they are recycling old pictures on the WizKids site. I know some of the AE bases have been changed but you can't tell from looking online. :mad:

[Silver Lantern]

Originally posted by thugit
Hobgoblin still stinks. Not that I give a carp.
True, but atleast he's MUCH more reasonably priced. He'll only be placed in SS theme teams, but atleast he will even be considered for those teams. As it was, he was just HORRIBLY overpriced in light of his poor playability.
He is probably the worst of the bunch, but he's 10 times better than the IC Hobs.

[bace]

Anybody notice this line in the new rulebook?

Close Combat
A close combat action represents up-close, hand-to-hand fighting.
Your character has to be in a square next to an opposing character
(this is called being adjacent) to make a close combat attack.Note that flying and nonflying characters can’t make close combat attacks against each other.
(emphasis mine)

Am I reading this wrong or something? Maybe it's just lack of sleep? (It's 3:30 AM here right now and I've only had 2 hours of sleep).

[DreadDormammu]

Uh... that's worrisome. I sure hope that's a typo. :rolleyes:

[bace]

Oh wait...Quick start rules. d'oh...forget that last post. sigh...:confused:

[AlaskanXIII]

Bace, I'd guess that line should say "soaring figures" instead of "flying" Yet again, WK apparently cuts costs on QA before releasing a new product.

The Universe starter figures are all sweet, even hobgoblin -- he's the first relatively cheap flier for the Syndicate -- but can someone explain how Wasp keeps 2 damage for her entire dial?

[RavenProject]

he's the first relatively cheap flier for the Syndicate

E Vulture is only 20 points, but he wasn't really able to use the SS TA anyway...

-J

[AlaskanXIII]

Good catch, RP. I refuse to use Vulture on general principles, so I totally forgot about him. But yeah, ya might actually take a swing with Hobby.

[bace]

Does a critical hit count as a modifier in terms of calculating for the rule of 3? It says in the glossary that a modifier is any number that alters combat value, damage dealt, or damage taken.


AlgertMan, it look slike the X-mansion map from the Marvel map set.

[Gentlegamer]

From the Universe Rulebook, page 5:
"Play a couple of games with the six superheroes included. Now imagine how many more options you’d have and how much more fun it would be if The Hulk™, Magneto™, and The Fantastic Four™ joined the battle! Look for Marvel HeroClix Booster Packs in stores near you. They contain randomly inserted, prepainted superhero fi gures ready to battle right out of the box!"

Some newcomers are going to be quite disappointed . . .

[Gentlegamer]

It looks like the map included is the Xavier school map and danger room. With the figure line up, this set should be called Marvel: X-Men!

[TechLee]

Man, no new team abilites on the PAC.

Wasn't that one of the big things they promised with this starter set?

####. :(

[grey_zealot]

I'm glad to finally see the stats on the starter figs as well.

[AlgertMan]

UGH!

the danger room map is junk

[Thunderbolts]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
From the Universe Rulebook, page 5:
"Play a couple of games with the six superheroes included. Now imagine how many more options you’d have and how much more fun it would be if The Hulk™, Magneto™, and The Fantastic Four™ joined the battle! Look for Marvel HeroClix Booster Packs in stores near you. They contain randomly inserted, prepainted superhero fi gures ready to battle right out of the box!"

Some newcomers are going to be quite disappointed . . .

First legit laugh I've got from a post in a while. Good jaerb.

TB - thinks newcomers will also be perplexed (no pun intended) by Con Artists.

[admironheart]

a couple questions or points:

Changes:

I can no longer find the enrty that states that to use a ladder you must subtract 1 from your movement. Is that correct??

I am confused about LOF and elevated attackers. ok. The elevated targeting the grounded target seems the same.
However, when a grounded figure targets an elevated target, we get the same and used to statement that the only blocking terrain that lof crosses must be in the square of the target! [so far n change] then the next line states that grounded blocking terrain does not block LOF to the elevated target [SAY WHHHAAATTT????]
This is a typo I'm sure .
Did you catch that too??

wes

[SpaceGhost]

Soooooo...
they made new figures to put in the Starters...
But they left the old fiures in the boosters..........

[Rocket Ranger]

Ravenproject posted:

"...But these are all great figures -- especially since five of the six fit into themes that I love to play."


Hey, RP, that "sixth man out" that you DON'T plan to use in theme teams you play wouldn't happen to be Elektra, would it?:cheeky: ;)

Overall, I have to admit I'll probably buy a starter just for these new renditions of clix. I am glad that they are all available in the same pack so I don't have to go out of my way to buy any Universe boosters. E Spider-Man has got to be one of the most playable versions of him yet! And, what-do-ya-know, it only took Wizkids 5 Marvel sets to make him so!:rolleyes: ;)

[shock man x]

I love the new spider-man. That's the spider-man I've been waiting for, a cheep wild card who can go into any team. I can't wait for it.

I'm gonna repaint Hobby into a Green Goblin and say it's the guy from the Green Goblin comic. I think he's very playable too.

Wasp is gonna find a home in a lot of teams too. I use the E all the time for a cheep Avenger's taxi.

Elektra, yep, there she is.

As for the two mutants, Doesn't seem to be wildly different from the originals. Powers are mixed up a bit more and no charge. They're good though.

I was gonna get the starter anyways, now I'll be happy with it.

[Glorfindel]

Everyone has allready said it, but that Spider-Man is SOOO playable. Open heroclix anyone?

I actually really like the cheap Sinister Syndicate version of Hobgoblin. Sure his AV is carp, but thats what his team ability is for.

[WakandaMan]

Wow! Those starter figs are all awesome! Amazing cost effective figures! 19 points for a free move taxi with 19 defense!

It's amazing to see how cheap they are. Finally a Hobgoblin that I can justify playing.

Wolverine, Sabretooth and Spider-Man are amazingly cheap! COOL! :classic: :cool:

[Gacy's Clown]

I was impressed with the figure list all the way up to figure #007...:rolleyes:


BTW, Wasp has a 17 D, unless I just read wrong.

[ludd_gang]

On Elektra:

What purpose does Combat reflexes serve on her last click? Ain't that kind of odd?

[Sweetcurse]

So, is it illegal now to use pulse wave on your teammates? I hope so.

[turdburglar47]

Originally posted by ludd_gang
On Elektra:

What purpose does Combat reflexes serve on her last click? Ain't that kind of odd?



If damage takes her to her last click, she can still bounce away without taking knockback damage.

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by turdburglar47
If damage takes her to her last click, she can still bounce away without taking knockback damage.

Actually that's not totally correct. The latest FAQ clarifies this (and goes along with the way I've been playing it for once). Powers that prevent or cause knockback are checked at the time the dice are rolled, NOT after damage is applied. So she would have had to have combat reflexes before the damage to "bounce away".

Basically having Combat Reflexes on the last click serves only to prevent knockback damage after the figure has already taken damage and been knocked back. This is still good, though! ;)

[RavenProject]

Hey, RP, that "sixth man out" that you DON'T plan to use in theme teams you play wouldn't happen to be Elektra, would it?

Actually, Sabretooth. He's playable, but I don't do Brotherhood very often.

Elektra and Spider-Man are for my Marvel Knights themes.

Hobgoblin's going to provide transportation for my Spider-Villains.

Wolverine's going to make a great new partner for Kitty Pryde on my X-Men teams.

Wasp is going to be a fun supporting piece in future HeroChix forces.

-J

[Rocket Ranger]

Oh. Sorry, RP.

I thought you were just trying to be as subtle as possible about not being excited about a new Elektra.;) My mistake.:)

As usual, Elektra is the only new dial that doesn't really impress me out of these revamped clix. Since I'm almost exclusively a comics themed player, her character is already kind of difficult to place on teams since she's not really a "team" player in the comics. :rolleyes: Of course, neither is Hulk for that matter, but Elektra is not as much fun to use in my opinion. That being said, the main reason I'm not as excited about this one, other than our multiple other versions of her, is that this dial really doesn't bring much new to the Heroclix table. I break 'em down this way:

#1...E Spidey- Finally, a cheap but very playable and handy version of everyone's favorite wall-crawler with the Spidey wildcard team no less. Leap/climb, super-strength, super-senses, inc., a 10 attack...this one has it all and only for a measly 40pts.! E Moon Knight just got some serious competition, or, should I say, a great ally!:grin:

#2...E Wasp- What can I say? I'm a big Avengers fan so Wasp makes 2nd place just for association. However, that association is also key in her playability. The cheapest Wasp before this was her IC rookie at 24pts., and she wasn't even an Avenger! Now, not only is she 5pts. cheaper than the rookie, she's 14pts. cheaper than the Avengers' previous cheapest taxi...E Wasp! Actually, she's also now the Avengers' cheapest Heroclix option and the only one under 20pts. Now, I'll finally be able to round off a lot more Avenger teams with an actual Avenger that fits the point total! E Quicksilver(at 24pts.) will no longer be the cheapest option.

#3...E Wolverine- While E Wolverine and E Sabretooth are neck and neck, I got to go with the good guy and, as ya pointed out, RP, Sabretooth will mostly get used on Brotherhood/ X-men enemy themed teams that I also don't play too often.(I do play 'em more than Elektra based teams, though.;) ) Wolverine wins out as one of the cheapest versions of the guy with the claws, and also with a 10 attack. The best part, though, is that he IS the cheapest Wolverine with the X-men team. Move over, Marrow, now there's a character with similiar function I actually recognize and like for points in the same ball-park.

#4...E Sabretooth- Even though this fella has trade-offs with his rookie IC version and is even a couple points more in cost, he DOES get the Brotherhood team and a higher attack which makes him better in my book. He's #4 mainly, though, because the last two just aren't as interesting.

#5...E Hobgoblin- Again, not really anything to get excited over, but the presence of a team ability that can actually make this fella more useful puts him higher on the list than...

#6...E Elektra- Ya know, her dial isn't all that bad for the points. The problem is, there are quite a few other Elektras out there just as playable for almost the same points. She's just a little better in a couple ways than the experienced IC version, but, considering the one we just got in CM, the X-plosion LE, etc., this one doesn't bring anything new to the game...except for combat reflexes.;) I suppose there might be a time when this could come in handy, but it's not enough to say to me "CREATE AN ELEKTRA THEMED TEAM JUST FOR ME!" Now, if she had come with the Spidey or Doom team ability, then she would be a completely different story. Oh well, there's always Marvel Megaverse that will come out in two years and include the same clix as Universe but with brand new versions of the same 6 above.;)

[warden]

The cheapness of the new starter figures is because they were designed to make two teams of 100 points - good vesus evil. This also means that they make good modules to add to a 300 point team to make it 400 points, if you need a quick-change of this kind.

Andrew

[daredevil11]

New starter figures are excellent - kudos to wk. Maybe the best Spiderman yet.

[Spyder's Web]

Everyone's right, this Spider-Man is the most playable of all! I'm just dissapointed about how many clicks of life he has.

[Bloodsword]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the new PAC for universe does not list LOF needed for Barrier, just that all the pieces must be within range. Another typo?

[Gacy's Clown]

Originally posted by Bloodsword
Correct me if I am wrong, but the new PAC for universe does not list LOF needed for Barrier, just that all the pieces must be within range. Another typo?

It's always been that way....

[RanmaSolo]

I find the new rarity indicater kind of odd. I mean, for one thing the Common, Uncommon, Rare idea doesn't seem to fit Heroclix but... Also... Only 8 rares...? And Vet SHADOWCAT is one of them? :confused: Vet Viper...? Yeesh. At least Taskmaster and Mandarin count too... And what rarity are uniques?

Happy clixing,
Mike

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by Gacy's Clown
It's always been that way....

Actually it hasn't always been that way. Since Indy, Barrier has required LOF to place the first square. I'm curious about this new wording as well.

[daedalus25]

Addendum to above (too late to edit):

I see that the latest FAQ still has the LOF requirement listed, so I guess that trumps this new PAC.

[Keleko]

I started a thread in the Rules Forum to discuss the changes for the rule of 3. They are quite important.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91044

[cscottk]

Well, those new figures are just horrid. I am glad they didn't remake Cap this time.

[DarkMalakim]

Ok...I dont get it. Why are they doing this again, other than an updated rulebook? The figs dont seem all that different.