Kill Bill vol. 2

[dj_sha]

Just saw it tonight and gotta say it was a great movie. Not to give much away, this movie focused a lot more on the plot and less on the action that filled the first film. Also in the movie Bill gives a monologue discussing comic book characters and Superman, and how while Batman and Spider-Man are humans who put on costumes to become the heroes, Superman IS the hero who puts on a costume to become human. Pretty interesting stuff. Did anyone else see it?

[lukion]

not yet but that dialogue with the heroes is very cool. gotta love tarantino:cool:

[W10002]

Just saw the movie too. It was much better than the first (I prefer a good plot over anything else). Anyhoo, I thought Bill's monologue about Superman was kinda corny.

I think they added that monologue because David Carrade was talking to Taratino about comic book heroes ('cause they're both huge comic fans) when he first met Taratino, and Taratino really liked the conversation they had.

[Desert Ghost]

I seen it Friday and was totally surprised by the lack of action compared to the first part, nonetheless it was better then Vol. 1. Also, great dialogue written by Tarantino..as expected! It had great cameo's and paid a very nice homage to classic martial arts film. BUT, it also had it's flaws; leaving it at a 9 and not a 10...some being: leaving stuff unanswered, grave scene too long and bad music.. Mexican music in a martial arts film!? But those are just my opinion's, without spoiling anything for the other members..Go see it and leave felling accomplished!!


-Also I say bad choice for Tarantino to do a 3rd and not a Prequel, I'd love to get more story on Bill and other characters! I feel I'm not alone either! :) :)

long live Hattori Hanzo

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by Desert Ghost
...grave scene too long and bad music.. Mexican music in a martial arts film!? long live Hattori Hanzo

Well you mentioned something important. While Tarantino is most definitely an outstanding film-maker, he hasabsolutely no feeling for music WITH film. Kill Bill Vol. 1 was horrible in respect to the chosen music. And your statement proves the same for Vol. 2.
I'm still hoping for the day when Tarantino leaves the instrumental scoring in competent hands. There's enough pros out there (Williams, Goldsmith, Shire, Goldenthal, Shore,...)

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by Desert Ghost
-Also I say bad choice for Tarantino to do a 3rd and not a Prequel, I'd love to get more story on Bill and other characters! I feel I'm not alone either! :) :)


Yep, would love to see a Prequel. But I'm not so sure about the 3rd movie. Has he gone insane? He wants to wait 10-15 years so that he can use the same actors at the proper ages?

But anyway, I too loved Volume 2. I'm not sure if I liked it better than the first one, though. I love a good fight scene, and Volume 1 definitely wins out in that category.

[farmer]

haha..i watched volumn one the other day (before volumn two came out), and i thought to myself "i know quentin aint into sequels, but how cool would it be to see the DiVAS workign together in a third movie."

also, i thought the music was great in the first one. Ill let everyone know about the secodn once i see it

[GroovyBoy]

I believe Quentin was going for an East-meets-West theme with the music, which makes perfect sense if you consider the characters and the location (not to mention that most of the characters resembled the gunfighter archtype in one form or another)...

[Castiglione]

Wow, you guys liked this movie? Well, takes all kinds I guess.....

The group I was with started text messaging our friends about half way through, warning them away from this piece of carp.
Everythiong that was good about the first one was abandoned and replaced with slapstick.
The EXCRUCIATING kung-fu training scene only existed to set up the cop out final scene.

In his short appearance in the first one, Michael Madsen's bud seemed very interesting, and I was most looking forward to the exchange when she caught up with him. But no, he was just a prime example of what happens when white meets trash. Darryl Hannah was cool in this one, but instead of something cool, Tarantino goes for retared slapstick.

My biggest problem was the fact that the movie had some bright points and suckered me into sitting through the whole thing hoping SOMEHOW it would turn around and get on track.
Honestly, I have walked out of better movies. But I loved kb1 so much, I really really wanted this one to be cool. But kb2 was a bad parody of kb1.

I loved the confrontation between bill and the bride. But the fight was such an incredible cop out. tarantino played the tension up to the point I figured this was gonna be good, then bleah.....nothing.

The pregnancy scene made me want to gouge my eyballs out.....once again, cheap slapstick.

how could anyone in their right mind turn turn a stylish homage to action and revenge films into a comedy worthy of MST3K?

If tarantino wants another $7.50 outta me, he's gonna have to mug me for it. And he better bring the Crazy 88's if he wants to try that......

C

[W10002]

Originally posted by Desert Ghost
I seen it Friday and was totally surprised by the lack of action compared to the first part, nonetheless it was better then Vol. 1. Also, great dialogue written by Tarantino..as expected! It had great cameo's and paid a very nice homage to classic martial arts film. BUT, it also had it's flaws; leaving it at a 9 and not a 10...some being: leaving stuff unanswered, grave scene too long and bad music.. Mexican music in a martial arts film!? But those are just my opinion's, without spoiling anything for the other members..Go see it and leave felling accomplished!!


-Also I say bad choice for Tarantino to do a 3rd and not a Prequel, I'd love to get more story on Bill and other characters! I feel I'm not alone either! :) :)

long live Hattori Hanzo

Originally Bill was supposed to get some action by killing people. But they cut that part out.

Also, Taratino has mentioned that he would like to do an animated prequel about Bill. So you might end up getting to see a prequel.

[Wyldstaar]

I liked the whole Batman/Superman thing. It was an interesting observation, but it was also based on the Golden and Silver age versions of the characters. It's not true of the characters as they're portrayed today.

In current continuity, Superman is a mask that Clark Kent wears. He may have been born Kal-El, but he was raised as Clark Kent. Superman is something he does because he feels obligated by his powers. Sure Superman is a part of him that he could never give up, but he needs his true identity as Clark to feel normal.

Bruce Wayne is dead. He died when he was eight years old. There is only Batman now. Bruce Wayne is a mask that Batman wears for the public. He behaves like an idiot as Bruce. Batman is who he really is. He doesn't need Bruce Wayne for himself. It's a necessary evil to maintain the financial aspect of his war on crime as Batman.

[Desert Ghost]

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[Desert Ghost]

Originally posted by Castiglione
Everythiong that was good about the first one was abandoned and replaced with slapstick.
The EXCRUCIATING kung-fu training scene only existed to set up the cop out final scene.

Honestly, I have walked out of better movies. But I loved kb1 so much, I really really wanted this one to be cool. But kb2 was a bad parody of kb1.

I loved the confrontation between bill and the bride. But the fight was such an incredible cop out. tarantino played the tension up to the point I figured this was gonna be good, then bleah.....nothing.

The pregnancy scene made me want to gouge my eyballs out.....once again, cheap slapstick.

how could anyone in their right mind turn turn a stylish homage to action and revenge films into a comedy worthy of MST3K?

If tarantino wants another $7.50 outta me, he's gonna have to mug me for it. C

OMG, your one of those Movie Guy's that hate's movies with no killing or blowing stuff up! Arn't you? What did you think of Adaptation? Have you ever watched a Shaw bro. movie?

A parody of KB1!!? IT WAS ONE MOVIE!! and how was it a parody? that comment's proof that your What I said you were! Part one had nothing but killing, no story at all..you didn't find story real story until part 2.

You did make a good point about the Bill and Bride fight. I'll give you that.

The whole point for the Pregnancy scene was to show that she wasn't a mindless killer that Bill made here out to be. I thought It was a great scene, and was needed to inform you why Bill did what he did to her.

Btw, Tarantino could Kick your ###.

[d-master]

Castiglione, I agree with you.

Where's the blood? where's the blood?

They took out everything I loved about the first movie and made it into ####.

They could have had her fight like 100 or 200 gansters/mafia/thug/assasins again, but no, just some boring catfight(that's ok) and some boring one-on-ones.

We want blood!!
Where's all the blood from the first movie, now it's just a boring old thing that anyone can make.

[Kaitouace]

*sigh*

And we ALL know that the only reason that someone could hate Quentin Tarantino's uber-masterpiece is because it's not as violent as the first one.

Heaven forbid someone might not like the second movie because it was slow and boring. That the dialogue (that Tarantino is known for) was mostly dull and lifeless compared to his other works (even Kill Bill vol. 1) and degenerated into cheesy one-liners. That while both movies are supposed to be one film, they hardly feel connected in any way. That in the hurry to make Vol. 1 overly graphic and more like a Samurai movie and to make the second more dialogue driven and more like a Spaghetti Western, there seemed to be no cohesion between the two movies other than the characters themselves.

No balance of action and dialogue which makes both films suffer and a general lack of direction in the second film (which turned from a kung fu/western homage into more of a ridiculous slapstick comedy). More music that sounds good but totally doesn't fit the mood at times, showcasing QT's ideas of "style over substance" yet again. All topped by a horribly anti-climatic ending that was more funny than anything else.

If you ask me, Kill Bill was a 3 hour movie that was padded with an extra hour or so of pointless footage (which got shoved into the second movie) to make an extra 7.50 per person off of it (not to mention DVD sales). The second "movie" could have been about 45 minutes if they wanted.

Granted QT does good cinematography and (usually) good dialogue but his ideas are old and stale (film out of chronological order and when in doubt, make them swear) and doesn't work with every genre of movie (martial arts movies aren't deep or complicated enough to warrant half of what he tries to do with them). And his movies are extremely self-indulgent, basically making his own movie based off a bunch of stuff he rented at the video store last week. Almost all his movies are based off of other movies or books (that get no publicity) anyway.

Like I tell everyone. If you want to see a good updated kung fu movie, go rent Kung Pow: Enter the Fist.

[GoAndrewGo]

I liked the movie a lot! My major gripe was that the music in the second part wasn't as memorable as the first, but I'll still get the complete soundtrack if/when it comes out.

Actually, watching Volume 2 really makes me question why there is so much O-ren Ishii in the first part. The obvious answer is "asian fetish", ha ha, but it seems that no one except the Bride gets as much backstory and buildup. I would have much rather seen Budd and/or Bill's backstory, especially since I really don't care for Lucy Liu at all (and her Japanese was so bad, arrgh).

Anyways, I liked Volume 2 a lot, and it makes Volume 1 a better film too. I didn't really have a favorite actress before seeing this movie (except maybe Selma Blair, *drool*), but now Uma Thurman is hands down my favorite. Also, seeing David Carradine with a flute and bare feet again absolutely killed me.

Everyone go see it! It seems everyone is disagreeing, but here's another vote in fovor of the movie.