More Ultimates Information [Archive]

Draddog

04/29/2004, 22:36

WizKids has updated the <A HREF="http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/products.asp?cid=38843">Ultimates home page</A> with new information:Tournament Information: Marvel HeroClix: Ultimates is the first expansion for the Marvel HeroClix: Universe rotation. After July 14, 2004, the following sets will be tournament legal in Marvel HeroClix Tournaments: Universe, Clobberin' Time, Critical Mass, Xplosion, and Ultimates.Sneak Peeks: Sneak Peeks start Monday, May 3, 2004. Check back then!

drgnoftyr

04/29/2004, 22:37

wow this is so kool

Nickel97

04/29/2004, 22:41

No Critical Mass?

drgnoftyr

04/29/2004, 22:43

woo hoo they retired criticalmass;) ;)

SonofVader

04/29/2004, 22:44

Did they leave a set out or no more beating heads with Moony, Elektra and Venom-y?

Wyldstaar

04/29/2004, 22:46

This makes no sense. Critical Mass isn't going to be tourney legal? Where is the logic in this?

St-Dumas

04/29/2004, 22:48

Normally Sneek Peeks go every wednesday, but this'll be interesting...well not really. ULTIMATES S.P.'s ARE COMING...well, what are you waiting for? START PRAYING!!!:mad:

spideysean102

04/29/2004, 22:49

HaVeN't YoU lEaRnEd By NoW?? Wk HaS nO lOgIc!!

I gotta type like that more often!:p

-Sean-

GroovyBoy

04/29/2004, 22:50

What the heck?!?!? I sure haven't gotten 2.5 years of use out of Critical Mass...

SuperGENE

04/29/2004, 22:50

Wow, so it looks like they will retire Galactus and the convention LEs before the convention season even ends!

Draddog

04/29/2004, 22:53

My mistake, an errant tag made Critical Mass not visible in the list. It's been fixed.

drgnoftyr

04/29/2004, 22:54

Originally posted by drgnof tyr
woo hoo they retired criticalmass;) ;)

nevermind it got fixed shuck's hehe;) ;)

Redleg

04/29/2004, 22:56

Well...I'm glad Clobbering Time is still legal. It looks like everything except some of the original IC figs are still tourney legal...

Frontman

04/29/2004, 22:58

S.P's on a Monday. Gosh, that's going to throw off my whole weekly plans.

Nickel97

04/29/2004, 23:02

Typo's been fixed, and my pseudo-alarmist Sky-is-Falling Critical Mass is banned thread has also been fixed. It felt good to be obnoxious for a minute.

drgnoftyr

04/29/2004, 23:03

i was wondering who that was didn't look like you hehe;) ;)

Maniac_nmt

04/29/2004, 23:07

good to hear clobberin' time is sitll good, would hate to see the skrulls (although I expect the Chitauri/Skrulls, as they even say people call them Skrulls, will come with that TA) and ff go the way of the dodo.

Couldn't play without my vet thor or vet doom and doombots.

Gator

04/29/2004, 23:47

I thought Xplosion got retired too since it was in Universe, guess that's good news

wonderboy

04/29/2004, 23:58

Funny, last I checked. The post on the WK site still had the Critical Mass set missing from the list. People are gonna panic in outrage with this confusion.:laugh:

Let anarchy rule!:devious:

Dr. Morbius

04/30/2004, 03:38

Yep the heroclix.com site still has Critical Mass NOT listed!!!
But what do I care what's retired and what's not. Friends and me only play for fun anyways :p

the itsy bit

04/30/2004, 05:52

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
good to hear clobberin' time is sitll good, would hate to see the skrulls (although I expect the Chitauri/Skrulls, as they even say people call them Skrulls, will come with that TA) and ff go the way of the dodo.

Couldn't play without my vet thor or vet doom and doombots.

the only problem is that the next set after Ultimates automatically retires Clobbering Time (just like it works in Magic):ermm: :cry:

Thunderbolts

04/30/2004, 06:45

Ouch, I know we don't speak _that_ highly of Critty Mass but this was rather unexpected.

TB - it has about 5 high use figs, c'mon...

DarkBlueAnt

04/30/2004, 07:25

Woah...Cap is 103 points...I didn't notice that before.

Puuka

04/30/2004, 09:29

Originally posted by Draddog
My mistake, an errant tag made Critical Mass not visible in the list. It's been fixed.

It's not listed on the site it is linking to http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/products.asp?cid=38843 still says "...the following sets will be tournament legal in Marvel HeroClix Tournaments: Universe, Clobberin' Time, Xplosion, and Ulitimates."

krusticlese

04/30/2004, 09:37

I had been under the impression that the release of Ultimates would retire Clobberin' Time.

Have Wizkids reconsidered the retirement issue? Correct me if I misunderstood, but didn't the original press release state that the most recent base set (Universe) and the last three expansions (Ultimates, Critical Mass and X-Plosion) would be tourney legal.

This would mean that the most recent base set and the last FOUR expansons will be tounament legal.

Is this a change of policy, or just a typo, like excluding Critical Mass from the original post above?

Funky Jett

04/30/2004, 09:48

Originally posted by krusticlese
I had been under the impression that the release of Ultimates would retire Clobberin' Time.

Have Wizkids reconsidered the retirement issue? Correct me if I misunderstood, but didn't the original press release state that the most recent base set (Universe) and the last three expansions (Ultimates, Critical Mass and X-Plosion) would be tourney legal.

This would mean that the most recent base set and the last FOUR expansons will be tounament legal.

Is this a change of policy, or just a typo, like excluding Critical Mass from the original post above?
Magister has stated on the WizKids Judges Forum that - 1) there wouldn't be a retirement with the release of Ultimates, and 2) there wouldn't be another retirement this summer.

Skullfire

04/30/2004, 09:58

My take on this is that they realized that if they did retire Clobberin' Time that all the F4 team members would retired; except for Alicia Masters. Of course, I can't forget their arch enemy Dr. Doom.

Draggor

04/30/2004, 10:43

It appears we finally have a release date for Ultimates too- June 30th. After all sets become tournament legal 2 weeks after their release date and the press release gives July 14th as the date that Ultimates is tournament legal. I was hoping for a sooner date though. That means people going to WWE will be able to get their hands on Ultimates stuff over a month before the rest of us. Pretty much the entire list should be known after the pre-release too. That's kind of early to give the set away. I hope we at least get some Ultimates for our Australian nationals.So any bets on who the first sneak peek will be? I hope it's Mister Sinister. Or they might go with one of the Morlocks or Serpent Society to start with.

Yeti

04/30/2004, 12:47

Actually I am truly enjoying the lack of sneak peeks. I have felt that the last couple of sets really held no surprises for me. I know I held back a lot on Unleashed and I truly enjoyed buying boosters, at least the first day, didn't see too much variety in the packaging.....anyways I like the surprise and not opening my first booster of a new set and already saying, DEO eh, R Big Barda eh, V Cyborg cool, HDC eh. I didn't even have to look through the dials, I already knew what they were and I had never held the piece before.

The Vision

04/30/2004, 13:10

Originally posted by DarkBlueAnt
Woah...Cap is 103 points...I didn't notice that before.

103 Points of Anti-Stealthing, Batman Smacking, Goodness!!!

Bob

04/30/2004, 14:10

I am NOT a fan of Ultimates (the comics) and I hate that they used the Ultimate Rhino as the sculpt for the REV, but the new Ultimates TA is really looking interesting.

I can hardly wait for the sneak peak. I'm hoping for a member of the Serpent Society, but will happy as long as it isn't one of the Characters that are already confirmed (Spidey, Cap, Ghost Rider, Doc Ock, Wolverine, Punisher).

qc_mohawks

04/30/2004, 14:33

Here is to hoping for a SP pf either the Lizard, Mysterio, or Electro.

KMagefyre

05/01/2004, 02:01

Well, from how it's been worded, apparently the first three expensions, because they are from Infinity Challenge, are given some sort of weird sanctuary from retirement... at least, that's how it seems to be worded. I guess this means that IF we get four booster sets after Universe, then Ultimates would go... bah, I dunno, WizKids is retarded.

FireLFighter

05/01/2004, 11:38

Originally posted by KMagefyre
Well, from how it's been worded, apparently the first three expensions, because they are from Infinity Challenge, are given some sort of weird sanctuary from retirement... at least, that's how it seems to be worded. I guess this means that IF we get four booster sets after Universe, then Ultimates would go... bah, I dunno, WizKids is retarded. That doesn't make sense. Why include Xplosion figs in Universe, if Universe won't be retired???

FireLFighter

05/01/2004, 11:42

Originally posted by KMagefyre
Well, from how it's been worded, apparently the first three expensions, because they are from Infinity Challenge, are given some sort of weird sanctuary from retirement... at least, that's how it seems to be worded. I guess this means that IF we get four booster sets after Universe, then Ultimates would go... bah, I dunno, WizKids is retarded. Too late too edit:
That doesn't make sense. Why include Xplosion figs in Universe, if Xplosion won't be retired???

Dominion

05/01/2004, 13:47

Because Xplosion is sold out, and they want new players to get a chance to get some of the better figs from the set.

tyroclix

05/01/2004, 14:01

I'm really confused by the confusion.

The set retirement will go in order of being released. Infinity Challenge is the first set that will be retired.

Down the line (after Summer?) it will be Clobberin' Times turn.

End of this year - maybe next year - Xplosion will be next.

When a "Universe" set appears for DC, Hypertime will then be retired.

Clobberin Time was sold out a long time ago - so there are no more characters being made. When WK decided to do the Universe thing, they decided to incorporate Infinity Challenge and their next available set - which fell to Xplosion.

CT molds were probably already destroyed so XP was all that was left.

Sold Out and Retirement are two entirely different things. Sold Out means you can't go to a store and buy anymore of them. Retirement means you can't use those figures in a WK sanctioned tournaments (at least ones that don't allow Retired figs).

Retirement doesn't issue in a new set - a new set issues in retirement. Remember, Universe is for new players. These players cannot buy IC, CT, of XP. Universe allows them to get some of the figs that were released in the IC and XP set.

When you are trying to figure stuff out, you have to start at the beginning and work forward - not at the end and go backwards.

Paradox Factor

05/01/2004, 18:45

Sold Out means you can't go to a store and buy anymore of them.

Actualy, Sold Out means that retailers can't order them from Wizkids. I can still think of a couple places localy that still have CT boosters in stock.

clixer11

05/03/2004, 11:24

Originally posted by Paradox Factor
Actualy, Sold Out means that retailers can't order them from Wizkids. I can still think of a couple places localy that still have CT boosters in stock.

And you haven't bought them resold them here or on ebay to help out the deprived?!!?

What I am wondering about is the wording "tournament legal for Marvel Heroclix tournaments". Does this mean Infinity Challenge is still legal for Open heroclix tournaments?

Wyldstaar

05/03/2004, 11:52

It means all of Infinity Challenge is still legal in Open or Marvel Unrestricted tournaments.

Yong

05/03/2004, 12:30

what's the news on the big figs and the tourney cycles?

admironheart

05/03/2004, 20:42

bah...I like the old captain america..except for the Rookie Ultimates version.

I hope they don't jack up Ultimate Hawkeye as badly.

Cap isn't bad...he is just overcosted!! His DV stats are too low.. actually his AV is too high! [I do like the ending 16 DV with support though...almost like Quasar..but for an extra 19 points..Quasar is soooo much more useful.

Spidey looks ok for 31 points

cheers

wes