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doctorfate77
04/30/2004, 13:50
three question...
1) who is your favorite Doctor?
2) who is your favorite companion?
3) who, in your opinion, is the most effective AE/Villain the Doctor has ever faced?
my answers:
1) 6th - He wasn't the smartest, nor was he the most charming. But his cleverness, talent, and sheer luck was uncanny. he was also extremely bold, arrogant, and self important. though i feel that it was only a facade. his avatar (the Cat) described him to no end. he was also the best dressed;)
2) I gotta give it to Bernice. She was given birth in the New Adventures. She wasn't the usual screamin blonde that the previous doctors had an affinity for. When Ace rejoined the crew, they were the bitterest of enemies and soon became extremely close. she drank, she swore, she could use a gun, she shagged, she was more so the 20th/21st+ century woman more than any other. she was more real than most of the televised companions.
3) as cliche as this might be, i give it to the Master. He wasn't always the bitterest of enemies, but he was often the deadliest. taking into consideration, the Clark/Lex relationship in Smallville, the Doctor/Master rivalry is a perfect mirror of the end product of the fables DC Arch-Enemies.
Lets see how long this thread can live, Speak up Whovians!!!
1) Gotta go with the guy I started with. For me Tom Baker will always be Dr. Who. I'm just not happy unless it's him.
2) K-9. Come on! He was c3p0 and your dog all rolled into one! :)
3) I Wanna say the Cyber-men because they get no love, but I'm afraid it will always be the Daleks. C'mon what kid didn't love going around the house saying "EX-Term-In-Ate! Ex-Term-In-Ate!" (Well... what geeky kid, anyway!)
My first Doctor was Jon Pertwe. I was switching channels one day (this was before we had a remote) and there was this weird program on my local PBS station. Unfortunately, after that story line ended, they stopped showing it. Years later, Dr. Who became big on PBS. Too many in America their first Doctor was Tom Baker. He was once my favorite, noe I think he's too goofy.
My Favorite companion has to be Leela. She was hot in that animal skin & she knew how to kill people.
The best villian was probablt the original Master.The others just didn't do it for me. Although to this day, if I'm at breakfast at a Con I'll move the pepper shaker around the table and say "Ex-Term-In-Ate!"
Tom Baker is by far my favorite Doctor. Jon Pertwee was good, too. I didn't like Davidson, Traughton, or the old man, and I never saw the later ones(after Davidson). I liked the savage girl, Leela, best, though the first Romana was the prettiest(not Lala Ward).
So many villians to choose from.....but the Master edges out the rest. I actually liked the episodes that didn't have the regulars (Cybermen, Daleks, Master) better. The seeds, the pyramid on Mars, great stuff.....
My favorite dr.
1. Dr Phil!!! Actually Tom Baker is my all time favorite. I didnt get to see the first 3 doctors until much later and i became a big fan of Pertwee. After Peter Davidson my local PBs stopped showing the new doctors.
2. The first Romana was my favorite companion but K9 was a close second. They should have brought back a K9 version in later series and if/when the new Dr starts up i think he should make a cameo. Brigadier Leftbridge Stuart was also a favorite only becasue he showed up for several doctors and evolved as a character
3. The Darleks were the best but some of the stand alone villians such as the one with the giant plant that the british airforce blows up and the oriental puppet were my all time favorites
That plant used to give me nightmares when i was a little kid!
I got lucky and found a VHS copy of "The Invasion of Time" with Tom Baker for only $14.95 at Suncoast!
My favorite is the 7th Doctor.
After the death of Adric, and the tragedy that almost befell Peri, not to mention Raviox (Earth), The Doctor decides it's time to get serious. Rather than happen across tragedies that are already hapening, The Doctor goes proactive, and starts to actively hunt evil.
Eventually he will go to far, and the question of ends justifying the means will lead to an epiphany. Why the 8th Doctor is so much closer in philosophy to the 4th if not in humour.
This leads us to his greatest companion. ACE. A girl with great potential, but hampered by her outrage at society (and the voice of all youth asking what went wrong?).
These two go to the wll to save the universe time and again, but almost become swallowed by their own personal demons in the process. First they lose themselves, then they almost lose each other, but in the end they make it back.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and the fine line that must never be crossed, is what made the last two seasons, and the entire run of Dr Who: The New Adventures one of the greatest eras of the series.
As the 7th Doctor yelled in Survival when locked in mortal combat with The Master:
"If we fight like animals, we die like animals!"
Favorite villain is a tough one. I respected The first Master (Roger Delgado), bu felt the 2nd was little more than a two bit hood. This of course just compounded the tragedy of the 4th Doctor's death at his hands.
While I tire of them sometimes, I have to vote for the Dalek's creator Davros. He has no class, and isn't even subtle. That however is not the point.
He is the total opposite number of The Doctor. He revels in death for death's sake and uses it to feed his monumental ego. His and his "children's" constant commentary and warning on the horrors of WW II must also never be forgotten.
This direct contrast to The Doctor being the champion of life makes Davros his greatest foe.
Don't think Ace beat Romana II easily. Lalla Ward is the coolest, and hottest gal to ever walk the face of this Earth. LOL! And she still is!
For those who are looking for new doctor who adventures. You should check out BIG Finish Doctor Who Audio dramas. They are about 2 hours each and the 5th, 6th, 7th, and yes 8th Doctor participate in them with various companions from the shows timeline. A new adventure comes out each month and for the most part they are extremely well done. It was nice hearing the Brig meet the the 6th and 8th Docs. The Daleks have been well done. There was even a Davros story minus the Daleks that was terrific. They also did a Cyberman Orgin story very similar to Genesis of the Daleks. Heck they have ventured into the books and have had the 7th Doctor with both Ace and Bernice. Bernice even has here own audio line with them. They really do advance the story a great deal. The 8th doctor ones are great and makes you realize that event though the story in the TV movie was suspect, Paul McGann was an excellent choice for the Doctor, it would have been cool to see more stories with him. But at least we have the audios. So far there are more than 50 out. You can find more info about them at www.doctorwho.co.uk
Captain K.
05/05/2004, 00:20
1. Jon Pertwee, followed by Peter Davidson.
2. Romana
3. The Master after he took over Tremas's body. Evil goatee, baby!
skeevo666
05/05/2004, 03:06
Originally posted by Captain K.
3. The Master after he took over Tremas's body. Evil goatee, baby!
Oh yeah, baby . . . Fear the Goat (http://www.goateestyle.com/goatee/evil.phtml) !
The best Doctor - Tom Baker
The best companion - Jo Grant (Katy Manning)
The best arch-enemy - the Daleks (but not Davros who was over-used).
The best story - Carnival of Monsters
Andrew
And there should be a category for the best male companion. The Brigadier was great but wasn't really a companion. Jamie McCrimmon (Frazer Hines) gets my vote.
Andrew
skeevo666
05/05/2004, 04:09
Dr - Jon Pertwee
Companion - Liz Shaw (Caroline John)
Effective Villain - The key word being Effective, I've gotta go with the Master (he nicked other people's bodies to continue his fight versus the Dr. - that's gotta count for something . . . )
Favorite Villain - Those oh-so chunky Sontarans
BONUS! Male Companion - Sgt. Benton ("It's a Man's life in the British Army!")
StellarX
05/05/2004, 04:34
You just HAD to go and make me reply to this didn't you???
BAD doctorfate77!!! ;-)
Historically, my favourite Doctor would be Tom baker during his first two seasons in the role. A joy to watch as a wide-eyed, impresionable youngster. However - I am sure Christopher Ecclestone will give Tom a serious run for his money when the new series hits our screens next year. I can't wait...
Favourite companion has to be Sarah Jane Smith. By far and away the most endearing character and talented actress to play a companion - and a lovely lady in real life (had the good fortune to meet her a couple of years ago) - so no contest!
Favourite Villain has to be Christopher Gable's 'Sharaz Jek' in the Peter Davison story 'The Caves Of Androzani'. Dodgy monster suits, poor costumes and wobbly scenery - but a raving megalomaniac villain played superbly to the hilt by a great actor gives this story great power. Recommended.
The greatest male companion was Ian Chesteron. This guy was the definition of a hero.
In the books it would have to be Fritz Kreiner. Possibly the unluckiest bloke in the universe, but when the chips are down there's he nothing he won't do to cover The Doctor's back.
have u guys heard about the new proposed show and the casting of the new Dr.
The show is coming back for real. It is actually in production with a panned televising in 2005.
The producer and main writer is Russell T Davies. Depending on final budget there will be 8 to 12 episodes in the first season.
The new Doctor will be played by actor Christopher Eccleston. I don't know what he's been in, but we haven't been let down yet in 40 years in terms of actors in the part.
I am hoping to have my copy of Doctor Who Magazine tomorrow, so I can read and tell you guys more. The producer is in direct correspondence with DWM, and the new actor is on the front cover with an interview inside. That's issue #242 for anyone curious.
The new docotr was in 28 days later. I think he was the leade of the bad guys
1 My favourite Doctor is the 7th by far the darkest of the Doctors, the ultimate schemer.
2 Ace is my favourite companion, not just another screamer
3 I don't think I would name any one villain as my favourite the diversity of villains is a major part of Dr Who
For those Who didn't know The last four Doctors (Davison to McGann) have been recording new official Doctor Who storie on Audio since 2000 (just go to www.doctorwho.co.uk)
They have done some excellent stories recomemded listening (Land of the Dead, Fearmonger, Stones of Venice, Doctor Who and the Pirates and Dust Breeding)
QA
I'll add my recommendations to the new Audio Dr. Who adventures. Paul McGann is really very good in the role once he's given a good script. And it's always nice to hear Doctors 5, 6 and 7 in new stories.
1. Favorite Doctor--Tom Baker. I just loved his performance and personality. A close second for me would be the 2nd Doctor.
2. Favorite companion--a tie. I loved K-9, but Romana #2 was cute as a button and just as smart (perhaps smarter) than the Doctor. (In a couple of the audio dramas, she has returned from E-space and become president of Gallifrey.)
3. Favorite villians--I hate to sound like a broken record, but like many other posters I'm a huge fan of the Daleks. "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!"
Favorite Doctor?
<----- D'uh. ;)
Favorite companion?
Teela. There was something about her. Skimpy clothing and knows how to fight.
Favorite AE?
The Master. I used to get the chills when he would show up. When the Doctor would find those shruken bodies that always freaked me out.
Buttscone
05/07/2004, 11:21
My favorite doctor would have to be the one that checked my prostate the other day....mmmmmhhh... that was good.... he was a good doctor. As far as my favorite companion? Well I'd have to go with Sweet Georgia Johny.. you will not find a better ###-kickin, ###-lickin sidekick on this side of the mason-dixon line. His greatest villain would have to be Dr. Strange who has beaten him on many occasions.
doctorfate77
05/07/2004, 11:41
Originally posted by warden
The best Doctor - Tom Baker
The best companion - Jo Grant (Katy Manning)
The best arch-enemy - the Daleks (but not Davros who was over-used).
The best story - Carnival of Monsters
Andrew
hmmmm.... best story? tough one.
due to my love for the 6th doctor, i gotta go with Resurrection of the Daleks. If for nothing else, for seeing the Doctor shoot Davros' hand off his arm. ha. also, i was a really big fan of the Alexi Sayle show, see him made me pee on myself. Then again, any one story from Trial of a Time Lord would work for me as well. It was a nice twist to see what the Doctor would be like at his worst, in the Valeyard.
Ro_gan, i LOVE your icon. once i find a moving TARDIS .gif, its goin up.
Briel, please keep us updated if you can. i'm curious about this new Doctor. Ive never even heard of the Actor.
well, i'm off to see Van Helsing, TTYL
I wasn't able to get over to the comic shop to get my magaznes yet, but hopefully by next Thursday.
My favorite stories are:
1) Warriors' Gate
2) Inferno
3) The Curse of Fenric
4) The Seeds of Doom (I am still in awe to this day that on their budget they did such an incredible job on a plant creature bigger than a building and plants attacking people.)
5) Destiny of The Daleks (Where I fell in love with Lalla.)
6) The Dalek Invasion of Earth (Supposedly about the Daleks, but really about WWII.)
Romana II became President of Gallifrey in The New Adventures and the BBC novels, where she works to change Gallifrey with everything The Doctor taught her, as well as what she learned in E-Space.
For the whole story of what happens to Romana and Gallifrey you would need to read the 8th Doctor adventures from Interference to The Ancestor Cell.
A really great 7th Doctor novel that will appeal to all of you for other reasons as well is Conundrum. Wherein The Doctor, Ace, and Bernice meet an actual living super-hero and his arch enemy in a small town.
I still have to read The Crooked World where The 8th Doctor ends up in a world of Looney Toon characters.
Things the series always was capable of covering, but only was held back by budget.
That's part of why I love this series so much more than Trek and Wars. Doctor Who being science/fantasy can go anywhere to talk about anything, and will. No idea is too wild or not in keeping with the so called format.
The only rule in the series is that there is good and evil, and no grey areas. That's why when the 7th Doctor starts to make compromises things start to go to hell, and he almost doesn't make it back.
I mean come on! Could you see any starship captain fronting against The Candyman in The Happiness Patrol?
I love this series so much. It changed my life.
Originally posted by ro_gan
Favorite Doctor?
<----- D'uh. ;)
Favorite companion?
Teela. There was something about her. Skimpy clothing and knows how to fight.
Favorite AE?
The Master. I used to get the chills when he would show up. When the Doctor would find those shruken bodies that always freaked me out. Leela, not Teela (she is He-man's sister). I love the picture!
I'm more concerned with the fact that someone remembers anything about He-Man at all, than Leela's name being mispelled. LOL!
doctorfate77
05/08/2004, 03:36
Originally posted by Briel
I'm more concerned with the fact that someone remembers anything about He-Man at all, than Leela's name being mispelled. LOL!
LOL, nice.
I gotta ask you this, Briel. I had a friend in HS who was really good friends with Kate Orman. She swore by all of her New Adventures as the greatest in the canon (bias, i'm sure).
However, I stand by 'Blood Harvest' as my favorite New Adventure of all time. It was, not to pull a music snob term, but it was essentially a Literary Fugue. I won't get into detail right now, as it may actually tip me over into a state of nerd-dom that i may never recover.
the thing is, once New Adventures were cast aside, I stopped reading the novels. can you reccommend any really good stories to get me into the 8th doctor?
Ro_gan and JayThor. what stands out as your favorite 4th Doctor story? I gotta vote for Invasion of Time.
btw, Van Helsing was laughable. there were interesting moments, and it did entertain. Hugh Jackman can read the phone book though, and i'm happy. but, like i said, laughable. its worth seeing for the high-larious vampire lackeys.
I just got the Invasion of Time video, and it was great. I like Pyramids of Mars, Robots of Death, Revenge of the Cyberman, the Brain of Morbius, (As you might be able to tell, it is hard for me to pick a favorite). I might have to go with Seeds of Doom (or Death, I can't remember).
CapSpalding
05/08/2004, 09:37
Favorite Doc: Colin Baker. After the deathly dull Peter Davison he was a shot of adrenaline. The ever-classic Tom Baker is 2nd, and the underrated Patrick Troughton is 3rd.
Favorite companion: Sarah Jane. Smart, pretty and confident. Leela is a close 2nd.
Favorite villain: Gotta go with the Master. Sontarans are very cool looking, though.
Originally The New Adventures were going to be ignored, but after much fan fervor that was abandoned, so they still stand. So please don't deprive yourself of the 8th Doctor's incredible adventures.
I have not read any of Orman's novels yet but have some of them. I'm just way behind on my reading, and am trying to read what I have aquired in order.
I only have about half of The New Adventures so far. Most of which I have to thank ohoni for. He's a great trader by the way.
My BBC books started with The Taint. I was waling in Barnes in Noble one day and saw Dr Who novels on the shelf. I couldn't believe my eyes. Ever since our local PBS station stopped airing the show, merchandise in our area had become non-existant.
I got this WebTV last Christmas and discovered that EBay is a Who fan's best friend. Especially since BBC books is having trouble with their distributer, and the books are no longer available at B & N. Luckily my local comic shop was able to get the last year's worth by back ordering through Previews. Of course if I had known he could get them I would have given him my money to begin with.
I understand your dismay at the NA's possible ignorance. It was very har for me to read The 8 Doctors after just having read Lungbarrow. How could they just ignore this incredible book Iasked myself? If I didn't already know that edtorial had already done a 180, I would have been torqued.
For those who haven't watched the show or read the books. Let's just say that ignoring The New Adventures would be like taking X-Men and ignoring the Claremont/Byrne era. You might still enjoy the series, but you would be missing an incredible, magical run of adventures that were natural and logical in their progression.
Orman just did a new novel called Blue Box with The 6th Doctor. Haven't read it yet, but I hear it spends a lot of time on Peri (who we all know usually gets gnored a lot).
Best thing about DVD. You can freeze frame Nicola Bryant in that pink bikini from Planet of Fire. LOL!
OK. Here it is directly from the pages of DWM #242 pages 5 and 6.
Chris Eccleston was formally announced as the new Doctor on Saturday March 20 of 2004. He is the guy from 28 Days Later (which I had no plans on seeing, but will want to now), and a whole lot of other films and UKTV.
Casting has bugun for the new companion who will be called Rose Tyler.
The season will be comprised of 13 episodes. Some written by newcomers, some by vets, and most by the producer himself. Below is a tentative schedule for the writing schedule:
#1 Davies
#2 Davies
#3 Mark Gattis (vet)
#4 Davies
#5 Davies
#6 Robert Shearman (newcomer)
#7 Davies
#8 Paul Cornell (vet)
#9 Steven Moffat (vet)
#10 Steven Moffat (vet)
#11 Davies
#12 Davies
#13 Davies
Mark Gattis and Paul Cornell have written extensively for the novels in both lines over the years. Gattis is a member of the comedy troup League of Genleman, and has also played The Doctor in a tribte special. Paul Cornell is one of the men who was instrumental in the transition from TV to novels, and is most closely associated with guiding the 7th Doctor and Ace on many adventures.
Steven Moffat worked on the original TV series. He is also known more recently for the extremely funny BBC comedy Coupling (Please don't watch any of the mutilated NBC version, or if you did wipe it from your memory). This guy is good. Trust me. If you have BBC America on cable or sattelite, check it out.
Davies himself was the creator of Queer As Folk (something else I haven't seen. He had any choice of projects that would have given him a lot more money, but he chose to do Doctor Who as he has been a fan all his life. I have read a lot of interviews and commentary from him, and again I truly believe we have no worries.
News from DWM and the BBC's own website is official. DWM tries to avoid rumour mongering, and has direct contact with Davies himself. All other sources are highly suspect. Apparently a lot of Brittish tabloids put out false rumours just to stir up sales.
Davies said it was strange, but after all these years one of the things giving them the most trouble was designing new interlocking doors for the TARDIS interior. LOL!
A sidebar:
In case many of you did not know, Producer, custodian, and keeper of the faith Johnathan Nathan Turner passed away last year. This man's contributions to the series on a proffesional level for a decade are beyond desiption. His personal dedicaton to keeping the series alive and protecting it's image after it's canecellation is to be respected and commended.
For those who don't know who he is, Turner was to Who what Rick Berman has been to Star Trek. The torch bearer, to whom the series was more than just a job. It was an honor and responsibility.
doctorfate77
05/10/2004, 00:21
thats cool. good to know.
i have the British Queer as Folk on DVD. Its Gay Comedy first, Doctor Who Nostalgia second. tons of fun, if youre into that kinda stuff. heh.
I didnt know JNT died. thats really sad. i will have to wear some gaudy hawaiian shirts in his honor... :( :cry: :cry:
thanks for the update, Briel. you RAWK
I just wanted to say that Cristopher Eccleston is an awesome actor!
I didn't realise who he was until I put in a DVD of the original Cracker series. He played Chief Inspector Bilbrough in the first one and a half seasons.
This guy is good. We've got no worries on that front. Trust me.
Originally posted by JayThor
Leela, not Teela (she is He-man's sister). I love the picture!
:noid: :cheeky: :rolleyes:
Thanks, JayThor!
Had my head up my you know where on that one. :confused: :laugh:
The Curse of Fenric Special Edition DVD is now available.
See why Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred were the team supreme as The 7th Doctor an Ace! What I lke to call the Batman and Robin of the sci-fi world.
The last two seasons were operating on so many levels it was frightening. Since no one else was watching, the show was taylored to intelligent viewers.
From Remembrance of The Daleks to Survival was pure magic.
skeevo666
06/05/2004, 05:00
Originally posted by Briel
. . . Remembrance of The Daleks . . . was pure magic.
My favorite bit (besides the Heavy Weapons Dalek :cool: ) is when the Dr. mocks Davros' posturing & propaganda:
Crush the lesser races! Conquer the Galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, etc. etc!!
Favourite Doctor:
Tom Baker mostly, Jon Pertwee when I'm in that mood
Favourite Companion:
Sarah Jane Smith or Tegan...or Leela...er...or the Brigadier
Favourite Villain:
The Master
Favourite Story:
Seeds of Doom, Genesis of the Daleks, Planet of the Spiders
Better stop thinking about it the lists keep growing
:)
Also 7th Doctor stories did grow on me.
What viewers out of England didn't realise is Sylvester
McCoy wasn't an unknown in England.
People remembered him appearing as one half of the
O men (with David Rappaport)
In case of trouble, in case of woe, just pick up the phone,
and dial 0, 0.
:)
And Bonnie Langford was FAR too well known.
Dr Mid-Knight
06/05/2004, 07:59
Dr Julian Bashir is my favorite Doctor.
Chief Miles Edward O'Brien
Doctor Bashir's AE would have to be Garenagar the Jem'Hadar that didn't need ketrocel white.
:grin: Oh am I in the wrong thread?
Oddly enough I always felt the actor who played Bashir would have been a good choice to be The Doctor. But we know two different franchises would never use the same actor unfortunately.
My favorite line from Remembrance:
"Five...Six...Seven...Eight. There's a Doctor at the gate."
Sung to a children's limmerick.
Just finished the novelisation of Scream of Shalka. The BBC's animated Who adventure with Richard E Gant. I have not been able to watch it from my WebTV, but the book was very very good.
HaHaHaHaHa!
I just started reading The Book of The Still. This is why I love this series.
Only The Doctor would think of using a stasis shield as a parachute.
A little rough on the immediate surrounding area, but what the hey? Go large when you're robbing a temporal artefact from a high security museum. LOL!
hail_eris
07/02/2004, 10:40
Hope you weren't looking forward to seeing new Daleks. The estate of Terry Nation was apparently asking for too much in terms of royalties and editorial control - so they're gone from the new series. Here are the details (http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1252500,00.html).
As someone who's only seen about 2 episodes ever of Dr. Who (and this was when I was about 5 years old) could some one recommend where to start if I wanted to start collecting the movies/series?
Are the series out on DVD, and if so, what's the first one?
Thanks.
doctorfate77
07/02/2004, 12:16
Originally posted by Croaker
As someone who's only seen about 2 episodes ever of Dr. Who (and this was when I was about 5 years old) could some one recommend where to start if I wanted to start collecting the movies/series?
Are the series out on DVD, and if so, what's the first one?
Thanks.
I would assume It's easiest to start in the middle, with the 4th Doctor, Tom Baker. He's perhaps the most famous and wellknown of all the Doctors. Not to mention he was the actor to portray the Doctor the longest (7 seasons).
My favorite Doctor is Colin Baker, but he's a rough one to start with.
I'm not sure which ones are, but they have released quite a few on DVD now. Even more in the UK, but not everyone has a DVD player that plays PAL.
Also be wary of the two Peter Cushing movies, I would save them for when you are a devout Whovian. ;)
skeevo666
07/02/2004, 13:43
Originally posted by Croaker
As someone who's only seen about 2 episodes ever of Dr. Who (and this was when I was about 5 years old) could some one recommend where to start if I wanted to start collecting the movies/series?
Are the series out on DVD, and if so, what's the first one?
Thanks.
You could also start with a "sampler platter" of sorts: the 20th anniversary episode The Five Doctors. I know it's out on DVD. :grin:
The Daleks have had more than enough storylines anyway. Time for new territory. It also seems to be a point of the estate just giving BBC a hard time, as they rent the Daleks out to others now, that Nation himself never would.
All existing stories are available in VHS. They have just ceased printing, but there should be enough copies about for a few years.
The DVD project started about two years ago. They try to give multipe Doctors fair time, so they are not released in order. Each DVD does give the story number and names the era of each actor.
Here are the region 1 DVD's so far with and asterik next to the best of the best. Keep in mind I am partial to the 7th Doctor and Ace although as Fate says Tom Baker is the easier to get along with.
1st Doctor:
The Aztecs
The Dalek Invasion of Earth*
2nd Doctor:
The Tomb of The Cybermen
The Seeds of Death
3rd Doctor:
Spearhead From Space*
The Three Doctors
Carnival of Monsters
4th Doctor:
The Ark in Space*
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng-Chiang* (buy 1st)
The Key to Time Saga
1)The Ribos Operation
2)The Pirate Planet* (Doug Adams writer)
3)The Stones of Blood
4)The Androids of Tara
5) The Power of Kroll*
6) The Armageddon Factor
5th Doctor
The Five Doctors
Ressurection of The Daleks
The Caves of Androzani* (buy 2nd)
6th Doctor
Vengeance On Varos
The Two Doctors
7th Doctor
Remembrance of The Daleks*
The Curse of Fenric* (in my top 3 favs)
8th Doctor
Not available yet the punks. LOL!
Coming in September:
The Pyramids of Mars (4th)
Earthshock* (5th)
The only reason I don't suggest multiple Doctor crossover stories to start is it will be confusing.
If you don't care if it's VHS or DVD here is my top five favorite stories:
Inferno
The Seeds of Doom
Destiny of The Daleks
Warrior's Gate
The Curse of Fenric
Destiny is not the greatest Dalek story, but marks Lalla Ward's debut as Romana. Thus it holds a special place in my heart.
Hope this helps.
If you begin at the begin. On VHS it all starts with An Unearthly Child (sometimes named 1 million BC on some boxes).
Thanks everyone. I'm definetely going to add this stuff to my "more stuff I know I'm going to obsessively collect" list.
If you visit the Cult TV area of BBC.Com, there is a Dr Who section with a complete guide to the episodes.
doctorfate77
07/02/2004, 15:07
hey'all.
Quick question.
I have insomnia, and I have it BAD. And at some point at like 5am, I got thinking about Dr. Who. It occurred to me that there was an storyline that involved men in a village not being able to sleep due to having their brain fluid removed.
was that story Mark of the Rani? I can't remember.
thanx
It was the Colin Baker Rani story set in industrial England.
It was a Rani one but can't remember which.
K'un L'un Kid
07/02/2004, 15:47
Yeah, doctorfate, that one was "Mark of the Rani."
There were only two adventures with Rani. The other was Time and The Rani.
hail_eris
07/04/2004, 04:05
Any Whovians looking for a change of pace ought to check out the BBC adaptation of Gaiman's "Neverwhere." It has the same low-rent "we shot this on video because BBC wouldn't bankroll actual film" look and characters that scream "we're British sci-fi archetypes!" The protagonist's name isn't Arthur Dent but, you know, it might as well be. It's a fun little romp that lacks the usual Gaiman polish (it was one of his first novels in the post-Sandman era, so it's not as tight as, say, "American Gods") but it's well worth the time nonetheless.
doctorfate77
07/20/2004, 22:39
I posted this to another thread:
Guys,
I gotta "Who" related question for y'all. I'd post it to the Who discussion thread, but I'm too lazy to go find it.
Do you think that Marvel has some sort of Dr. Who fixation, or are there just that many coincedences?
I say that because a friend is trying to sway me from being a DC fan by making me read random storylines that are "Marvel Essentials". These are some obsevations that I came across:
- The villain "The Master" happens to look JUST like his BBC Series counterpart. (Tends to resemble Delgado the most)
- Kang for that matter is an evil, time travelling, Anthony Ainley clone.
- The Collector tends to look and sort of dress like Jon Pertwee's Doctor.
- his ship was an orbiting construct the "...size of a Phone Booth!" which happens to be a LOT bigger on the inside than out.
- The Collector has a daughter that he left on Earth
- He also has an affinity for using gadgets.
- Ultron kinda looks like a Cyberman, and like a Dalek, is obsessed with his creator.
these are just observations, and I'm prolly just tilting at Windmills. However, if anyone would have any insight, I'm sure y'all would. I think I will copy this and post this to the Who thread anyway.
Once I find it.....
Answered in GA vs NA my friend.
Just finished The Crooked world where The 8th Doctor, Firz, and Anji land in animated cartoon land.
Most excellent.
No way would you see Star Trek and Star Wars fronting against Looney Toons.
Only The Doctor has the stones for that. LOL!
Also just started History 101. About history, fact to written accounts, and how ten people can see the exact same incident, and see ten different things happen. Very interesting so far.
BIG NEWS!
Filming began on July 25th with location shooting taking place today in Wales.
We are for real now folks!
There is an interview with the principal cast and head producer on the BBC Cult homepage for Dr Who, but my WebTV can't process it.
There are also some behind the scenes photos up on the Doctor Who Appreciation Society site in their news section.
I hope to pick up my latest issues of DWM in a couple of weeks and will pass on what I read.
doctorfate77
07/28/2004, 12:02
thats AWESOME news. AWESOME!!! Thanks, man. I didn't realize that it would be starting so sooon.
cool!
i checked ot the website that has Gallifrey in it. There are pictures of the Tardis and possibly of the new Doctor in his his "doctor clothes" . Also they mention that there will be Darleks which is a huge bummer. Soemthing to do with the rights of the Darleks. I dont understand how someone gets the rights to a villian from a tv show.
Also it doesnt say when the show iwll be broadcast out to the US or other countries
Copyright laws are different in England. Copyright ownership is retained by the creator in many work for hire situations.
While the series and it's main character were created in house by BBC executives, The Daleks were the brainchild of writer Terry Nation under commission.
Sadly Mr Nation is no longer with us. BBC is dealing with whoever owns his estate. I'm sure they will eventually relent and make some money instead of none.
The main plus is that creator rights are much more protected than here. Due to this set up, an author for the novels was able to continue with his own characters outside of Who. Something say a writer for Star Trek novels over here could never do.
For new viewers, it's probably best to leave such a continuity laden foe alone for now anyway. Ratings will be helped if everyone is on the ground floor. Especially outside of the UK.
BBC Cult page has a brief interview with Christopher Eccleston.
Good news! They mention cliffhangers, so it looks like that part of the heritage will remain intact.
The new companion is Rose Tyler. She is played by Billie Piper, who they have lots of pictures of. She is extremely hot. I'm sure she'll be good, although I haven't seen anything with her. Just because the producer is being so careful in everything he does.
Billie Piper was a teenie pop star.
She also married an irritating tv host.
I believe her only previous acting was in a Canterbury Tales
thing for the BBC, but I understand it was actually quite good.
I eye the future with gritted teeth and hope that it'll work out.
Well Eccleston himself is a great actor (see seasons one and two of the original Cracker), and most of the writers have been writing Who for sometime. I think we will be OK.
The Daleks are back...back again.
skeevo666
08/05/2004, 13:58
Tell a friend . . .
where did u hear they come back?
Read it in a tabloid, and the BBC cult web site confirms.
edgreen86
08/05/2004, 16:30
Okay, so let me ask a perhaps silly question. How many people here attended the Dr. Who Convention in California? Gally? And how many would be willing to bring their Clix...:devious:
edgreen86
08/05/2004, 16:37
"I dont understand how someone gets the rights to a villian from a tv show."
Its weird - but it happens. If you remember the live action TV series, "The Tick", two of the characters from the animated series had to have their names changed. Why? Because although the creator of The Tick held the copyright on all the characters, his agreement with the producers / distributors granted *them* part ownership of 'incidental' characters.
So when the live action series was made, in order to avoid dealing with the other 'owners', they opted to create new characters. Sorta.
Heck, people were trying to get an Aliens/Predator movie made for 8 years, but one of the creators of "Alien" flatly refused, so no movie for years...
Its that kind of madness that makes Hollywood so exciting.
Fav. Doc: Tom Baker
Fav. Companion: K-9, I admit I'm a bakermanic...there was that one companion, a guy, who died and the Dr. Who refused to go back in time to save, I forget the guy's his name tho, however, that was a great episode.
Fav. Villian, the master, tho I always wondered if he got that nickname as a teenager :)
Originally posted by 1164
...there was that one companion, a guy, who died and the Dr. Who refused to go back in time to save, I forget the guy's his name tho, however, that was a great episode.
That sounds like Adric who died in Earthshock, when Peter
Davison was the Doctor.
The guy didn't get the rights to the Daleks. He had them in the first place as their creator. The current owners of the rights are his family members and estate. Basically Terry Nation was smart enough to not sign his creations away. A score for creator's rights. He made good money off those dudes.
Yes. The Fith Doctor showed great moral fortitude in not going back to save Adric. It's a slippery slope if you break the law once, each time will be easier and paradoxes can ensue. Plus the Timelords would have locked him up for sure for that. Even with using and abusing him , there is only so much they would overlook.
The important thing to note is that The Doctor could have gone back, but wouldn't. It has consequences that resonate through the rest of the series in his behavior.
His sixth incarnation overcompensates in trying to bury his emotions. He becomes almost unaproachable. Then Peri almost dies and things get darker.
The seventh decides no more messing about and trusting to luck. He becomes the hunter doing whatever it takes to crush evil. As we progress through the New Adventure he finds the ends can't jstify the means when he almost loses Ace (his substitute for Susan) both emotionally and physically.
As the 8th Doctor he tries to mend his ways and come to grips with his life. He will break rules from time to time like the 7th, but overall returns to the strong moral compass of the 4th. But like the 5th is still dogged by tragedy in the face of victory.
But the 8th Doctor always makes sure he's the one to take the hits. I won't ruin the books or you, but in The Ancestor Cell, The Doctor is forced to make the ultimate sacrifice. One that costs him those he loves, his roots, and even one of his hearts.
The writers of the show are some of the novel writers, so while they won't confuse new readers with details, I'm sure the novels will not be contravened. Continuity will be intact for those who wish to research. Those who don't will be joining the 9th Doctor on the ground floor.
The Master took on his name as slap against the Timelords when he went renegade. That no one would control his destiny but him. Other than that, little is known about him except that he attended acadamy at the same time as our hero. Except for a recent CD adventure almost all of The Master's appearances have been relegated to the TV screen. What you see is what we've got.
For those picking up errant novels here and there. Sabbath is not The Master. They are two separate villains. Although The Master makes a brief cameo in The Adventuress of Henrietta Street.
One last bit. The producer and Doctor Who Magazine warn that th tabloids will print whaterver ust to sell papers. Usuallmade up.
DWM itself and the BBC Cult site are the only direct pipelines to what is really going on.
So it's good to hear The Daleks will return after all. It will probably be in series (what they call seasons) 2 though.
I just picked up the last 4 issues of DWM, and will read them as fast as possible to let everyone know what is up.
But this is straight from Davies mouth:
"Yes. The sonic screwdriver is back!"
What a beautiful sentence to hear.
Mayberry Bat
08/31/2004, 07:20
It looks like the Daleks won't be returning for the new season after all. It appears that Terry Nation's estate wanted more control (or money or something) than the new producers were willing to part with. At least according to the latest Doctor Who Magazine.
It's OK. It'll eventually get to the point where the owners will want to make some money instead of no money.
It's actually smart of BBC to put their foot down. But now you make me want to skip ahead a few issues to read the article.
i think that information is outdated. according to bbc cult television the daleks are still a go.
Some outrageous fun on the new Pyramids of Mars DVD.
There's a little E! Entertainment style biography on what happened to Sutehk's carreer after appearing in Dr Who. It is beyond hillarious.
And for those with a meanstreak, the Earthshock DVD has a claymation short about what happens to Adric after he crashes on Earth. Yup! It's Adric cast as lunch for a dinosaur. LOL!
Just another reason I love Who. You never see Trek or Wars poking fun at themselves.
Oh! And on Pyramids, Elisabeth Sladen is still looking and sounding darned good in the interviews and commentary. You go Sarah Jane!
Due on November 2nd is The missing years of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton. Available singly and as a box set.
These DVD's collect all the surviving bits and pieces of the lost (i.e. destroyed) stories where more than half of the tales are missing. The episodes will be restored as far as possible with some linking commentary and intrviews.
skeevo666
09/17/2004, 14:41
Originally posted by Briel
There's a little E! Entertainment style biography on what happened to Sutehk's carreer after appearing in Dr Who. It is beyond hillarious.
You mean like a "True Hollywood Story"?
Originally posted by Briel
Just another reason I love Who. You never see Trek or Wars poking fun at themselves.
I Can't think of anything Trek, but I recommend R2-D2: Behind The Dome for SW self-parody :grin:
Yes I meant True Hollywood.
Hopefully I can see that R2D2 skit sometime.
I love when our beloved institutions take time to poke fun.
One of my most favorite things are all four volumes of The Best Of Twisted Toyfare Theater.
darius_dax1
09/17/2004, 15:36
The best of TTT is great! I need to catch up on those quickly! I am 2 behind.
The first two skits in vol 4 are OK, but after that you will be laughing so hard you just might wet yourself. LOL!
Send me a PM from your own site Darius. It's the only way I can think of to get back in.
darius_dax1
09/17/2004, 15:42
I did. Didn't you get it? Or do need an e-mail?
There is a rarely seen blooper reel on the Star Trek 25th Anniversery video. There was also a great episode of Saturday Night Live with William Shatner in several spoof skits. Dana Carvey as Kahn was priceless. Shatner telling the Trekkies to get a life was hilarious!
I don't care what anyone says. William Shatner is beyond awesome! I too remember that skit from when it came out (yeah I'm old), and all the fans who just didn't get what he was trying to say. It was also great when he spoofed TJ Hooker in that same episode.
DWM #346:
The Cybermen return in the comic strip. They are always good for some fun. Well fun for them. Everyone else in town usually has a bad day.
Just so you guys don't think I'm always positive.
The new logo stinks. It's too generic, giving none of the sense of charm and whimsy of past logos. Favorites being the diamond and McCoy's personal logo.
I hated the old neon tube logo with a passion as well, but it was at least in an atempt to be Whoish.
I've also been partial to the 8th Doctor's logo. While similar to some others, it was still different enough with the really big wide letters for "who".
Ah well. Everything else seems to be going well.
Time Zero is a most excellent novel. It features the 8th Doctor, but with much of his behavior, if you hadn't been given a visual description you would have sworn he was the 4th. This isn't out of character for the 8th. It's just been a long time since The Doctor appeared to be having fun in his work in some time.
Usually Dr Who while having stories grounded in science leaves detailed explanations at home. This time the writer has The Doctor explaining some of the stories concepts to the other characters, and hence us. Never boring, but how those quantum physics specialists don't have exploding heads is beyond me. My brain was hurting, and I had to reread a couple of passages.
Serves me right for letting my head turn to soup the last few years.
Overall a fast paced action yarn with a purpose other than running around. It is also the setup for the upcoming alternate histories story arc.
Spoiler if you read the novels, but important companion news if you only watch the show:
Melanie (Mel) Bush dies in Heritage.
I know not everyone liked Mel, but I never had a problem with her. Other than the scream that could make my ears bleed. The government should look into that as a weapon. I wonder if Bonnie Langford knows she's been done away with. LOL!
Anyway. It was nothing malicious or shock tactic about it. It's done actually to emphasize and solidify the nature of the relationship between the 7th Doctor and Ace. And how they approach their overall mission against evil as well as each other.
RIP Mel.
Does anyone have an extra Ace action figure laying around? My 7th Doctor is lonely on the shelf without his little buddy.
Last Tusday (Nov 2nd) saw Dr Who: Lost In Time hit store on DVD. The 1st and 2nd Doctor volumes can be purchased sparately or as a boxed set.
This set combines episodes, audio tapes and clips recovered from some of the lost stories. Through episodes and audio you get to see and hear the entire story The Crusade in vol 1.
I have at this point seen a lot of Hartnell's era, and I have to say that censos in later years baffle me. The 1st Doctor's era saw more death, destruction, and torture (and on screen) than than the whole of the 2nd to the 5th combined. Poor Barbara must have been the most suffering of all the female companions. Its a miracle she got out alive. Don't get me wrong. She was no victim. She was a very strong character. They were just realistic about the situations her character was in.
In The Crusades. Barbara is bidden by a father that if authorities find her and his daughter that she kill herself and his daughter. This instead of being enslaved or put into a harem. Unable to face killing a young girl, Barbara risks certain enslavement and gives herslf up to the guards to lead them away.
Pretty hard core for the early 60's.
Wyldstaar
11/07/2004, 20:56
Briel, you seem to be having a very one sided conversation here! Why is it that every time a Doctor Who thread pops up, I don't find out about it until it's seven pages long?%}
Anyway, I've got good news. After doing an extensive summer cleaning of my apartment, I finally managed to find all of the Doctor Who miniatures that I couldn't find. I don't know when I'm going to find the time to convert them into Whoclix, but at least I know where they are now. I'm not sure what to do with the Whomobile. Probably nothing. It's extremely heavy, and only appeared in a couple of episodes anyway. I only bought it because it was on clearance.
How's it going buddy? I wasn't initially by myself, but Doctorfate77 seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth. I hope he is OK.
It's cool you found your miniatures. While I have no intention of joining the Star Wars game, if there was a Who version I'd be all over it.
That Star Wars game looks like fun, but alas there is only so much money. My love of super-heroes trumps nostalgia for SW.
Oh! And I hope you have been finding my one sided diatribes informative and interesting. LOL!
Perhaps including a "Time Lord" class in the Star Wars game would be cool. They could advance, gain feats and skills, and I am sure you could even bring in the T.A.R.D.I.S. as a vehicle with stats fo its own.
Wyldstaar
11/08/2004, 17:43
My biggest problem with my clix mods is that I've got too many options vying for my attention. I recently completed most of my Transformerclix set. My Star Warsclix set still has very little done on it, and my Whoclix havn't had a single stat dial done yet, much less being painted. At least many of them don't need to be painted. I painted my Cybermen (not exactly a diffucult task there) back when I bought them, and the same goes for the Daleks. I have 20 of each that are molded in plastic. After doing a bit of math, I've discovered that I don't have nearly enough blank combat dials laying around. As soon as I have the funds, I plan on picking up all the MageKnight Painter's Edition boosters I can find on the web. They're extremely cheap due to the low demand for them.
There were so many posts in the thread that I've only glanced over a few of them. Has there been any word on when the new Doctor Who series might be making it's way over to the States? I was at the BBC site last week, and couldn't find anything about that. I did see the new official logo for the series. It looked fine, but the classic diamond shaped logo of the John Nathan Turner era will always be my favorite.
There is no info on that front. It's looking like the series like any other TV show will run a year behind it's UK debut.
The show itself is looking at a Feb to March debut date from what I understand so far.
This Lost In Time DVD set is so chock full of stuff it's taking 5 days to get through it all.
And I had only seen a couple of grainy photos in the past, but Polly played by Anneke Wills wass ridiculously fine. She's also had the poshest aristocratic accent ever heard. Dead sexy she was.
Only drawback. I didn't realise until now that Bonnie Langford had a rival for loudest scream. Ouch! LOL!
And Ian Chesterton is still the most kick@ss male companion of them all. This school teacher was a freaking super-hero. Ian was hard core.
Originally posted by Briel
There is no info on that front. It's looking like the series like any other TV show will run a year behind it's UK debut.
The show itself is looking at a Feb to March debut date from what I understand so far.
This Lost In Time DVD set is so chock full of stuff it's taking 5 days to get through it all.
And I had only seen a couple of grainy photos in the past, but Polly played by Anneke Wills wass ridiculously fine. She's also had the poshest aristocratic accent ever heard. Dead sexy she was.
Only drawback. I didn't realise until now that Bonnie Langford had a rival for loudest scream. Ouch! LOL!
And Ian Chesterton is still the most kick@ss male companion of them all. This school teacher was a freaking super-hero. Ian was hard core.
Polly's scream literally killed monsters.
Ok I am driving to work today (I live in NW Ohio) an add comes on the radio for a special radio show talking about the Browns vs Steelers game (which I couldn't care less about). The ad is really long and I am listening to the background music and sure enough it is the Doctor Who theme from the Tom Baker years. Really threw my whole day off to hear the song again and in such a weird context.
Bet they didn't pay for the rights either.
Corporate pirates abound too.
Wyldstaar
11/12/2004, 20:25
There's a fine line between tribute and unauthorized use, and that sounds like unauthorized use to me. Anyone else ever catch the Doctor Who riff during One of These Days by Pink Floyd? It's not very prominent in the original album, but it really stands out on their live album The Delicate Sound of Thunder. When I attended thier final tour back in '94 (OMG, that was ten years ago now!), they even had a very familiar pattern running on the image screen behind the band. Very cool.:cool:
There's supposed to be a trailer for the new series on BBC's site. I can't watch it with my lowly WebTV, but I figure you other guys can take a gander and let me know what you see.
I just started Ten Little Aliens. A novel featuring the 1st Doctor and what appears to be a tribute to the cast of Space: Above and Beyond. This ought to be a lot of fireworks.
I also finished reading Heritage. Melanie Bush has indeed passed on, but is survived by a ten year old daughter. RIP Mel!
You don't actually see a lot.
A view of Earth from orbit, zooming down to the ground
where the Tardis dematerializes, with the voices of Chris
and Billie over it saying:
I'm the Doctor by the way, what's your name?
Rose.
Nice to meet you Rose...run for your life!
thewildeman
12/17/2004, 09:27
Wow, a Dr Who thread! I do miss my Dr Who. Can't seem to find it on BBC channel or anything. Well, I got hooked on Tom Baker, but like them all, except the 6 Dr as he got started. Favortie companion was K-9. Fave villain had to be the Master, but he had alot of cool villains to face.
5 days to go!
I heard it got leaked onto the net...anybody had any previews?
I have seen it and it was awesome!
All I will say is it was hillarious, exciting, and the first villain is totatally unexpected.
And Billie Piper was so hot she set my TV on fire! LOL!
Chris is going to be great. He actually brings back a bit of the 1st Doctor's bruskness and the 2nd Doctor's sense of whimsy, with the 7th's penchant for going hunting.
But I still mourn for my main man Mcgann who somehow seemed to amalgamise all that came before in his one 90 minute adventure. Still plan to get his CD plays and I have most of the 8th Doctor novels.
Have no fear. Dr Who is one hundred percent on track in the right direction.
doctorfate77
03/21/2005, 11:01
Is the new series gonna premiere here in the states? Or am I gonna have to revisit my old friend iMesh or BitTorrent?
UK and Canada first, then the US a year later.
I was loaned a copy that apparently made it's way from Canada. I don't normally like to even look at pirated goods, but since I going to spend hard cash on the oficial merchandise when it comes out I felt OK.
The Green Death and The Visitation just came out on DVD by the way. Ghost Light and The Leisure Hive (with commentary by the venerable Lalla Ward) are due in June. Apparently Ghost Light will have 20 minutes of extra footage and an interview with the writer.
I know most of the general viewership was down at the end of the series, but I'm glad the Restoration crew are putting out the massively intelligent adventures of the last two seasons. Sylvester and Sophie ruled!
My time table for arrival in the US is based on observations of watching shows on BBCAmerica and noting when American shows seem to be made available for sale in the UK in ads in DWM.
I just ordered the 6 Key of Time videos and hope to have them soon! It has been too long since I saw them last. I will be ready for a Who-athon for sure....
Without ruining the story I wanted to talk about the new Doctor a bit.
He appears to have been traveling by himself for a while, and has become in danger of losing the personal touch in the name of the big picture. His "humanity" one might say.
He is pleasant, but abrasive at the same time (shades of Hartnell). He cares for people, but now holds himself separate from them. He's defintley got some of the 6th's haughtiness as well.
Like the 7th Doctor he appears to be actively hunting evil instead of happening upon it. And as Ace was to the 7th, the 9th will need Rose around to keep him honest. Only Rose isn't a kid so she will will be tougher to push around.
Rose herself is almost a combination of Ace and Sarah Jane. She is unique as promised, but she has Ace's penchant for action and moral outrage, with Sarah's intellectual curiosity.
Rose wants to participate in something important. She just couldn't put her finger on how to do it until she meets The Doctor.
Here's to hopefully huge ratings, because we are going to be in for a wild ride.
Wyldstaar
03/23/2005, 13:24
Guess I'm going to have to start scouring the net for a copy to download, 'cause there's just no way I'm going to just sit around and wait for a year or more for the BBC to import the program over here. I waited since the mid-eighties for a new Doctor Who. They got my hopes up in the nineties through Fox, only to make me wish they hadn't. I'm bloody TIRED of waiting.
doctorfate77
03/23/2005, 15:47
wow, Briel.
thanks. thats awesome. I'm now even more excited than before. two questions though. hows the costume? and what's the TARDIS console like now?
There is no costume.
It's Chris in jeans and a leather jacket.
The Tardis Console is...interesting.
Still has recognizable features though.
webhead817
03/23/2005, 16:46
I'm kind of disappointed in you all...I dropped a Dr. Who quote on the front page in one of my articles, and none of you caught it? BAH!
The series has been getting a good push over here, so
I expect that ratings are going to at very least start well.
I haven't seen any previews yet, but I understand that
the thing that most casual (Non sci fi fan) viewers had a
problem with in the past is they couldn't look past the
shaky effects to get the ideas at the heart of the show,
and that has been sorted now.
Sorry Webhead. I almost never come into the site through the homepage.
It's actually very difficult to describe the nw console room. The roundels loo like old inverted cone speakers though.
I am partial to the CR from the TV movie myself.
But then I loved the 4th Doctor's wood panel CR as well.
Wyldstaar
03/23/2005, 18:16
I liked the LOOK of the control room in the TV movie, but not the actual controls themselves. Very Victorian era sci-fi. A simple dial setting for a year, date and time?! Just because the decor of the control room is Victorian, that doesn't mean that the laws of physics are going to allow such a simple control to be practical. The Earth is not only spinning on it's axis at an incredible rate, but it's also orbiting the sun, which is rotating around the center of the galaxy along with the rest of the western spiral arm. Then there's galactic expansion to factor in as well! This is why you have to use a machine that can travel through time AND relative dimensions in space. If you build a machine that only travels through time and not space as well, it's completely useless. Try going to one SECOND into the past, and you'll find that you're no longer on planet Earth! The planet is already thousands of miles away. Such complicated calculations are too sophisticated for a simple control setting like that to work.
One could argue that for the most part the TARDIS telepathically reads where The Doctor wants to go anyway.
This is why destinations are always haphazzard until an emergency, in which case the destination is always arrived at in time.
The TARDIS knows the Doctor likes to be surprised by his destiation.
The instrumentation is almost there for others in an emergency, and because The Doctor likes to feel hands on.
True this isn't the case in every TARDIS, but when the capsule and user have been together for hundreds of years like The Doctor and his Type 40, a shorthand develops.
stanleylee
03/23/2005, 18:45
In terms of the Doctor using the TARDIS , I'd agree -- however the controls look , the Doctor knows what he's up to ... and the TARDIS responds to a familiar hand ...
.. and anyhow ... it's a story -- let's not get too hung up about the details ...
The new series has the UK media greatly excited , and early reviews are really positive ... from the trailers , it seems a superb mix of old style Who with new style sensibilities and a 'cool' factor , too !
Frex -- ( SPOILER ! ) -- the spaceship colliding with Big Ben sums it all up -- new effects , old echoes , great image !!
And Chris / Billy ? -- they've got it nailed , I'd say .
.. Well , my 6-year old daughter and my 39-year old self are preparing to settle down on Saturday to watch together .... behind the sofa , of course ..... another UK tradition !!
Now all the BBC have to bring back on Saturday evenings are Basil Brush , Dad's Army , and the Two Ronnies , and I'm made up !
Well the Two Ronnies are on Friday.
stanleylee
03/23/2005, 19:00
Yup , they are , and it's really great to see Ronnie Barker back on TV -- but Saturday would be better still ...
8pm - 9pm --- including the Phantom Raspberry Blower , or Charlie Farley & Piggy Malone , or 'The Worm That Turned' ....
... and I forgot Bruce Forsyth on the Generation Game , too ...
... or even Terry & June ....
.... but I'm getting off the subject .....
Yeah...but now you'll end up with Jim Davison on the Generation
Game...O joy.
doctorfate77
03/23/2005, 23:51
I've been meaning to ask this question for aeons, and I keep forgetting.
Since the TV movie first aired, I've been trying to track down the jazz ballad that the Doctor is playing in the TARDIS. Does ANYONE know what it is? I think it's possibly Billie Holliday, but I'm not so sure anymore...
someone's gotta know.
:)
Can I add that over the last few days I've started to get pretty excited about new Who. I'm getting started on a pretty serious geek-out here.
The trailers look fab. That accent from the Doctor will take a little adjusting to, but Eccleston has a good look for the Doctor.
I work near the BBC in London, and as I head for the tube at White City, there's a big billboard in the Beeb's grounds, currently adorned by a Doctor Who poster. Nice.
--rob
Originally posted by ganelon
That accent from the Doctor will take a little adjusting to,
Every planet has a north.
stanleylee
03/24/2005, 19:55
Can I add that over the last few days I've started to get pretty excited about new Who. I'm getting started on a pretty serious geek-out here.
Me too ! This is going to be just great ...
The trailers are terrific , and that famous music again .... makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up !!
Every planet has a north.
Yup -- and I'm proud to be from it !
I think this will be one of the new series' greatest strengths -- the Doctor is more like "us" than the Victorian/Edwardian gentleman he originally started out as , while keeping his alien qualities ( frex , he says he can feel the Earth rotating and moving through space .... )
As per Brad Bird creating The Incredibles , the new series seems to be a mix of the mundane and the fantastic --- and it looks just ACE !!!
Wyldstaar
03/25/2005, 17:57
Originally posted by stanleylee
The trailers are terrific , and that famous music again .... makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up !!
Have you ever heard Bill Bailey's comedy sketch where he plays the Doctor Who theme as 60's Belgian jazz? It's both awsome and frickin' hilarious at the same time.
doctorfate77
03/26/2005, 23:55
please tell me you all are watching Saturday Night Live with Paris Hilton.
They just did a sketch about a 900 number for dorks and geeks.
the skit ended with Paris Hilton donning a long scarf and a floppy hat.
good times....
nemesis23
03/27/2005, 12:45
1.) Tom Baker (but Christopher Eccleston may yet be better...only time will tell)
2.) K-9
3.) The Monk (all that is known about him is the name "the Monk", it is rumored that he could be the Master but when he was younger)
nemesis23
03/27/2005, 12:46
1.) Tom Baker (but Christopher Eccleston may yet be better...only time will tell)
2.) K-9
3.) The Monk (all that is known about him is the name "the Monk", it is rumored that he was eventually the Master, but the Monk was a trickster and would let planets die for a good laugh)
diggergig1
03/27/2005, 13:05
I watched episode 1 twice...it was great. The effects were so-so, but VERY tight scripting saved it, a good mix of comedy, action and pathos - excellent scriptwork, below par music. Tardis was fab!
diggergig1
03/27/2005, 13:06
Im talking about the NEW episode 1 BTW, with Chris...
45 mins for one story plus character info wasn't enough - it seemed slight, but hey, there are conna be arcs later so it was a nice intro...
diggergig1
03/27/2005, 13:12
There is a review at:
http://www.doctorwho.ukhq.co.uk/index.html?banner.html&0
Me too.
My main complaint is that I miss the cliff hanger format.
It all seems a little brief, as previously stories were typically
4 x 25 minutes, and are now a single 45 minute story.
Well, in the first 13 part series there will be 2 two parters I think.
Also, for those asking about the new control room, the BBC
kindly supplied you with this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/making/360/index.shtml).
Interseting look. Looks like a cross with Enterprise(the newest show, with Bakula) and the old TARDIS.
Today's papers reported that episode 1 won the ratings war
against the competition.
Let's hope that the series maintains this trend.
Cool. I recieved my videos yesterday, so I will be in Who-heaven for the next few weeks.....:laugh:
*Groooooaaan* (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho/2005/03/31/18233.shtml)
This story has come out 1 day too early for my tastes.
It seems to be genuine.
The second episode hasn't even aired yet!
aquafire
03/31/2005, 07:09
Teehee Doctor Who.....i watched it.
I laughed.
I switched over to Ant and Dec. teeheehee
An Ant and Dec viewer giggling inanely...who'd have thought.
What a shame Chris is going. The first episode of this series actually lived up to my expectations, which was good, and I though he made a great Doctor. I'd hoped he would hold out for three seasons at least, but I guess I'm not surprised he doesn't want to get tied down. Looks like we get one more story with him after the series though, if talk of a Christmas special works out. (wonder if we'll get the regeneration at the end?)
I am two issues behind on my DWM, but my impression was that Eccleston would do projects in between series of Dr Who. Is there some new interview out or something? I'd hate to run through regenerations so quickly.
I'd have to beg Russell Davies to beg Paul McGann to do a series with extra sugar on top.
Either that or have the guy from Scream of Shalka take over, and say there is some time snitch up, so we don't waste a regeneration.
Or even though I'm a Dr Who fanatic, I'd settle for watching something called The Billie Piper Show. LOL! She can do whatever she wants.
Actually a series with Paul McGann and Daphne Ashbrook wold be perfect. They seemed to get on great in their interview in DWM.
I say justify the snog by having the 8th Doctor have the one true romance of all his lives with Grace Halloway.
I don't want The Doctor to pick up chicks on every planet like Kirk, but a storyline of the one love in all his lives could be interesting.
Then back to celebate clueless Doctor. Like when Nyssa tried to show off her new outfit and the 5th Doctor was oblivious.
Wyldstaar
03/31/2005, 12:16
It's a shame that he's bailing out so early. Hopefully the BBC will learn from this mistake and insist on a multi-year contract for his replacement. If Chris was worried about typecasting, he NEVER should have taken the role in the first place.
As for wasting another precious regeneration, there are always ways around that in the world of sci-fi. All that's needed is another story that somehow involves Rassilon, and he could be granted another dozen regenerations. Or perhaps the Master could show up on Galifrey trying to use that thing (The Eye of Harmony? I can't remember) that powers the Time Lord's ability to regenerate to renew his life. In the attempt to stop him, The Doctor is dosed with enough energy for an indeterminite amount of regenerations. Lots of different possibilities...
Good ideas, Wyldstaar!
Disappointing that he jumped ship. It may come back to haunt him later. Many actors jumped ship to avoid typecasting, only to become obscure players on Love Boat and Fantasy Island just to pay the rent......
Well, seeing him talk it did sound like the 9 month shoot was
really wearing. Maybe this is just him opening contract
negotiations, to try and get a better deal.
If not it is dissapointing, as I'd have thought that 2-3 series
would've been a minimum expectation.
Episode 2 pleased me mightily.
Visually, quite possibly the most impressive Doctor Who has
ever been. Use of humour, more effective than those uses
in the first episode. Good characterisation.
Again, it seemed a little brief, but still rather satisfying.
I collect Majestic,and just picked up the Strange Visitor TP (because I mssed the Supes issues with him).
Nice to see Abnett and Lanning showing their true DW fan genes.
Charged Vaccum Emboitments and Block Transfer Computations indeed. LOL!
I'm sure this was lost on younger readers, but old guys like me appreciate these nods, and it had me smiling.
Of course the BBC still has recourse to sue the Wachowski Brothers for stealing The Matrix from Doctor Who. Perhaps they should send a Deadly Assassin to make an Invasion of Time at the Arc of Infinity. LOL!
Wyldstaar
04/03/2005, 19:19
LOL! Back in high school, my algebra teacher caught me goofing around rather than paying attention. She asked me if I'd like to teach the class since I wasn't paying attention. I took her up on it, and proceeded to give a lecture on the use and application of transendental dimensions! I threw in a bit of Block Transfer Computation as well. Once she realized that I sounded as though I knew what I was talking about she interupted me, saying that this was a high school algebra class and not advanced geometry or theoretical mathematics. She never knew quite what to make of me after that, but she sure as heck never asked me to teach the class again!
I got by in an English class the same way once. We were studying poetry, and I stole the bit from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where Arthur and Ford praise the Vogon Captain's poem. I had to tweak it a bit to remove the humor, but it worked like a charm. God bless Douglas Adams, even if he didn't believe in Him.
One time when The Witnesses came to the doorstep at my folks' house, I started spouting off about Order and Chaos, and universal balance from the Doctor Fate series (leaving out our hero's name).
They politely excused themselves, saying that was wonderful, and they never returned.
It is reported that episode 2 won the ratings war again, albeit
with lower ratings. They think that had something to do with
few people staying in as it was a night of pleasant weather.
Apparently.
There is also
this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho/2005/04/04/18306.shtml) article about DVD release.
(For those of you over there with all region players)
I'm thinking of picking up both of Billie Piper's albums to see how her music is. Anyone a fan or a critic?
Well, I'm sure that they will have nice pictures on at least.
diggergig1
04/13/2005, 12:03
I greately enjoyed episode three - the scripting is so tight, you'd think an American had written it.
Great pathos at the end, too. when the doc realises exactly what he has been responsable for doing - fantastic.
More story-arc too - this whole time-war thing has created the creatures that the story is about. Hmm, interesting...
diggergig1
04/18/2005, 05:11
Episode four, hmm, not so good. A two parter which ended on a cliffhanger of comedic proportions. A poor episode, badly paced, padded out with overdone comedy and as for the FX...well, the aliens were mixed with puter graphics and unvonvincing rubber, and it was juuust a mess.
Fantastic script, but the effects department and the acting was a letdown.
Yeah, episode 4 not as convincing. And the "next week" preview looks like to have even more comedy dough-based aliens.
Still, nice idea, good set-up, mention of UNIT (thankfully), and I actually liked most of the comedy moments, except the on-going gas "jokes".
Hope next week picks it up a bit again though.
The suspense created when the aliens pulled the zipper in their forehead was quite well done and the overall plot seemed fairly classic, if hackneyed. But I don't much care for the new Doctor. Too much working-class hero and not enough eccentric professor.
Andrew
diggergig1
04/18/2005, 07:01
And now the new face of doc number 10 has been announced - this is a child!! He's what, 34? PAH!
Yeah, I do not like that the next Doctor is younger than me. Only a few months, but still younger.
diggergig1
04/18/2005, 08:30
Aye, I'm with Warden - there needs to be something of a fatherly aspect to their demi-god-ish status - there's nothin fatherly bout a pale, whiney-voiced little urchin...
Peter Davison was 31 when he became the 5th Doctor.
diggergig1
04/18/2005, 14:55
PAH! Mere trivia!
:confused:
Episode 6...
The 'Metaltron' is pretty effective. Nice upgrades.
Doctor Who seems to consistently be Saturday's best programme, even beating
such stiff competition as Celebrity Wrestling.
This game (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/games/index.shtml) mirrors the plot of episode 6, allowing you to be the 'metaltron'.
Still looking for The Complete 1st Doctor, 4th Doctor vol 1, and 6th Doctor Specials from Dr Who Magazine.
I have U KC Supes if anyone is interested. PM me.
Still looking for The Complete 1st Doctor, 4th Doctor vol 1, and 6th Doctor Specials from Dr Who Magazine.
I have U KC Supes if anyone is interested. PM me.
I saw these in the Who Shop, but they were very expensive.
Yes. With the rate exchange between dollars and pounds, it's even worse. That's why I'm having to resort to trading things that I would normally hang on to. I'm hoping to get at least two of the three.
Panini made the Specials in very limited quantities to make them collectibles. When Fantastic Forces comes out I may have to make sacrifices. LOL!
Conversely, if there is anything over here in the US that is hard for you guys to get, maybe we can come to some sort of arrangement.
I've listed my desire for these books in the trading forum to keep everything on the up and up. I just figured I'd throw my self on the mercy of my fellow Whovians.
Wyldstaar
05/09/2005, 17:48
What does the cover to the 6th Doctor Special look like? I've got some sort of Doctor Who Magazine highlighting the 6th Doctor, but I'm not sure what it is or where it is. If it's what you're looking for, I'd be happy to look about the place for it.
The cover is similar to other covers from DWM, but the cover actually says The Complete Sixth Doctor. It will also say in the UPC Code DWM Special #3.
Please tell me it's Christmas already Wyldstar.
Peter Davison was 31 when he became the 5th Doctor.And he always seemed an ineffectual, wet-behind-the-ears Doctor. His advent was when the show jumped the shark...
Andrew
And he always seemed an ineffectual, wet-behind-the-ears Doctor. His advent was when the show jumped the shark...
Andrew
It was his Machiavellian manouvering that managed to get rid of Adric.
We owe him something for that alone.
Personally I think Bonnie Langford was what sent the original series plummeting
to its doom.
The show was not completely lost.
Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred as the 7th Doctor and Ace righted the ship, kicked booty, and took names. Intelligent plots that hit the ground running, and never looked back. A Doctor with a plan, and a companion with something to prove.
From Rembrance of The Daleks to Survival, was hands down some of the best Who ever seen in the history of the show.
I mostly agree.
Unfortunately, too many of the people who had been driven away by the Langford,
never bothered coming back, giving people such as Grade an excuse to postpone renewal.
Wyldstaar
06/15/2005, 18:53
Well, I've finally acquired the first ten episodes of the new Doctor Who. I was immediately happy when the opening sequence began, and I got the Tom Baker era theme song coming at me. I also liked that the overall concept of the opening credits were based so strongly on that same era. The following episodes had a new updated theme, but using the classic version for the pilot episode showed class.
I hope that the Time War isn't going to be used as an excuse to do away with all of the Doctor's old enemies. I'd also like to see an episode that DOESN'T take place in the Solar system. So far they seem to be restricted to Earth. The universe if far too vast to hang around here all the time. The Doctor and Rose are long overdue to go to another planet.
Well, I've finally acquired the first ten episodes of the new Doctor Who. I was immediately happy when the opening sequence began, and I got the Tom Baker era theme song coming at me. I also liked that the overall concept of the opening credits were based so strongly on that same era. The following episodes had a new updated theme, but using the classic version for the pilot episode showed class.
I hope that the Time War isn't going to be used as an excuse to do away with all of the Doctor's old enemies. I'd also like to see an episode that DOESN'T take place in the Solar system. So far they seem to be restricted to Earth. The universe if far too vast to hang around here all the time. The Doctor and Rose are long overdue to go to another planet.
Well, one of the things they've attempted to do this series is show the fall out from
the Doctor's escapades, on the lives of people left behind, that, and they want to
keep the new audience connected to the subject matter, and so they keep coming
back to familiar surroundings.
There is also apparently, another reason that things have been running along a
similar vein, as you'll find out around episode 12.
Bad Wolf
I hope that the Time War isn't going to be used as an excuse to do away with all of the Doctor's old enemies.
Oh...and the Cybermen have been confirmed for season 2.
I think the Time War was meant to be mainly Time Lords and Daleks.
Wyldstaar
06/16/2005, 11:52
Warning- Spoilers coming!
This is one of the things that's always bothered me about Doctor Who. It never seems to matter where or when the Doctor travels to, he always somehow manages to run into the most recent version of his nemesis. Take the episode "Dalek" for example. The Doctor arrives on Earth of the 22nd Century where he finds a Dalek. Without having to ask any questions, he immediately believes this to be impossible due to the Daleks being wiped out in the Time War. This makes no logical sense. We already know from other Doctor Who stories that the Daleks have traveled to Earth and elsewhere in a future much further along than the 22nd Century. Why doesn't the Doctor ever run into past versions of his foes? Every time he encounters the Cybermen, it's the latest model. It doesn't matter where or when he travels, they're always the newest versions. If I had a choice between seeing the Doctor battle goofy looking "Tomb of the Cybermen" era Cybermen or aliens that look like the Pilsbury doughboy with claws, I'll take the retro Cybermen thank you very much.
I do hope that some of the one off aliens have a shot at making new appearances as well. Most of the old episodes involved alien species that the Doctor fought once, and never encountered again. They're still out there somewhere or somewhen. Zygons, Movellans and Sea Devils, oh my!
Yes, the time travel thing should make it tricky to ever say never in WhoLand.
The Sea Devils did make a second appearance, and I think the Zygons got used
in some fan made straight to video production, so maybe they'll be back.
It looks like they want to do mainly their own thing at the moment, with the
occasional classic foe brought back to give long time fans a smile.
Wyldstaar
06/17/2005, 18:36
Are these fan made productions any good, or are they poorly made trash? I've only seen two fan made episodes of Doctor Who. It was on a public access station in Seattle, WA. The local fanclub created a pair of episodes based on the idea that the BBC was toying around with back in the 80's to have an incarnation of the Doctor be a woman. Despite how absurd it sounds, it really wasn't that bad. The basic production values were typical BBC fare, but the episodes were shot on video so the image quality was very poor. This Doctor woke up in Peter Davison's outfit, stumbling out of the TARDIS to discover that something had gone far more wrong with the regeneration process than last time (If you'll remember, his regeneration didn't go as smoothly as the others had in the past or since). Even though the image resolution was low, they were well written. I've been meaning to look around online to see if they ever turned them into webisodes. They were made several years before the internet we know and love today. If they are available, I highly recommend acquiring them.
I've never seen them, so can't really say.
Back when I was a massive Doctor Who fan, I was younger and poorer, and
when it came down to a choice between a video of a classic, BBC story, and a video
made by other fans, regardless of the production values, I'd go with the BBC release.
Only 17.5 hours to go now.
Well...I think the wrap up to the finale was a bit of a cop out myself.
I liked it over-all, but I just wish they'd saved the world in a slightly more
convincing way.
Wyldstaar
06/21/2005, 19:11
Well, I've done some digging around, and I found a website that belongs to the folks who made the two Doctor Who fanfilms I mentioned earlier. As it turns out, they made a few other shows besides the pair that I saw. Here's the site.
Doctor Who Movies (http://www.eskimo.com/~rkj/doctor.html)
There are a couple of promotional pics on the site as well. He'll send you a copy for free if you send him a tape along with shipping and handling. He's even able to handle making copies in PAL for any Britains who want one.
Mayberry Bat
06/29/2005, 08:12
Finally got to see the first four episodes (I got a bootleg copy of them, recently). I like it, maybe just because it's back on air. I really do like it. It seems the acting is very genuine. The effects are much better than before. And the writing is much more contemporary (minus some bodily fluids in the 4th). And I like Eccleston. It's bad that he's leaving so soon. But what really sucks is I'm now stuck between adventures (4 & 5). I really wish they would hurry and get the dvds over here to the states.
Wyldstaar
07/14/2005, 06:44
I've just watched the last three episodes. The Dalek story was great up until the end. I agree with NotYou. It was a nonsensical copout. Then there's the problem of why Rose can survive exposure to the vortex, but not The Doctor. I can't wait till Christmas though.
The way I choose to intrepret the whole Rose-survived-it-Doctor-regenerates:
The Doctor knows what Rose has done, knows she has doomed herself, and sees the only way out. "You need a doctor," he quips, then takes the power, uses it to heal Rose, but is now stuck with it himself. There's nobody to heal him, but he can and does regenerate.
So I don't actually have a problem with that, but the rest of the ending was awfully contrived deus ex machina. Not terribly happy about that, but it's one only a very few duff moments in an otherwise fabulous series.
Wyldstaar
07/14/2005, 09:01
...I don't actually have a problem with that, but the rest of the ending was awfully contrived deus ex machina. Not terribly happy about that, but it's one only a very few duff moments in an otherwise fabulous series.
Oh absolutely. It's still a great series, despite any minor issues I might have with it. No matter how fantastic a show/book/cmg is, you're always going to find SOMETHING wrong with it.
There are some things I'm hopefull that we'll learn in future seasons. For instance, what exactly was the fate of Galifrey? The Timelords may be dead, but I don't believe it's possible that the planet was destroyed. If memory serves, Timelords are able to regenerate through a link to the Eye of Harmony on Galifrey (see The Five Doctors). If the planet were destroyed and the Eye along with it, then The Doctor couldn't regenerate anymore. I'm also wondering if, when he stated that the Timelords were all dead, if he was including The Master in that death toll. Somehow, I doubt it. I just hope that if he shows up again, it's not Eric Roberts!
I've just watched the last three episodes. The Dalek story was great up until the end. I agree with NotYou. It was a nonsensical copout. Then there's the problem of why Rose can survive exposure to the vortex, but not The Doctor. I can't wait till Christmas though.
How did you like the 12th episode?
I know you probably get most of those shows over there too.
The voices in this were done by the people from the actual shows over here, so
that was quite amusing.
Oh absolutely. It's still a great series, despite any minor issues I might have with it. No matter how fantastic a show/book/cmg is, you're always going to find SOMETHING wrong with it.
There are some things I'm hopefull that we'll learn in future seasons. For instance, what exactly was the fate of Galifrey? The Timelords may be dead, but I don't believe it's possible that the planet was destroyed. If memory serves, Timelords are able to regenerate through a link to the Eye of Harmony on Galifrey (see The Five Doctors). If the planet were destroyed and the Eye along with it, then The Doctor couldn't regenerate anymore. I'm also wondering if, when he stated that the Timelords were all dead, if he was including The Master in that death toll. Somehow, I doubt it. I just hope that if he shows up again, it's not Eric Roberts!
Well, I think the book "The Ancestor Cell", dealt with Gallifrey's fate.
Haven't got round to reading it yet myself.
As for the TimeLords, I'd be surprised if they didn't keep a few alive.
It's science fiction...and he was wrong about the Daleks all being gone.
They'll be able to come up with a loophole if they need one.
As for the Master...he's coated in temporal Teflon...everything slides off of him.
I don't remember that fact from The Five Doctors, but if so, maybe it is his link
to his TARDIS which is now allowing it.
I got the impression that when they were making the series, they weren't
terribly confident that they'd get a second series, so they packed all of the
trademark Doctor Who ideas into one series...including regeneration...to try
and have a series that had it all.
I just wish they'd had a little more confidence and held off on the regeneration.
Ecclestone did a good job, and should've got at least one more season.
diggergig1
07/14/2005, 10:53
They had no choice! They wanted to keep him in - in fact they had already ended the lengthy approval process for toys with his likeness to be produced at Christmas - but he wanted to go for fear of being typecast, or so he says.
Insiders at te BBC tell a different story, however. It makes for interesting, albeit sad, reading. :ermm:
Wyldstaar
07/14/2005, 14:59
How did you like the 12th episode?
I know you probably get most of those shows over there too.
The voices in this were done by the people from the actual shows over here, so
that was quite amusing.
I've seen the entire season now. I recognized the voice of the "Ann" droid, but no others. I suppose the two 'bots in the makeover show were voiced by known reality programming staples as well? I'd rather go to the dentist than watch a makeover show, so I'm not familiar with them. They're certainly all over the TV over here though. I used to love The Learning Channel, but now it's just a wasteland of shows about weddings, redecorating, makeovers, fashion and car renovation. I actually like Overhaulin', but it has no business on TLC. It has zero educational value.
Wyldstaar
07/14/2005, 15:06
They had no choice! They wanted to keep him in - in fact they had already ended the lengthy approval process for toys with his likeness to be produced at Christmas - but he wanted to go for fear of being typecast, or so he says.
Insiders at te BBC tell a different story, however. It makes for interesting, albeit sad, reading. :ermm:
I've only heard the "I'm afraid of being typecast" line so far. What's the dirt?
As for licensing, Colin Baker only got one season and he still got some stuff out of it. I think K-9 got more toys than Colin!
Well at the time that it was originally announced that he was leaving, they were
keeping it secret that it was part of the season plan, and that a regeneration was
scheduled for the final episode.
At that time that is what Ecclestone was saying, but once it became clear that that
was always the plan, it is unclear whose idea it was that he leave at the end of the
season.
diggergig1
07/14/2005, 22:50
Hmm, according to my sources, there was just too much tension between CE and the crew. He kept making more and more obscure demands, didn't want anyone on set to look at or speak to him, etc., and wanted more money, and in the end they just got pissed off with him.
Did everyone know that the Hitch they had doing some designing for the
Ecclestone series is that Hitch...draws for Marvel, etc.
diggergig1
07/28/2005, 22:05
Really? Woah, how did that happen?
Did he also design the new Dr's suit? Have you seen it? It's *brown*! :p
Wyldstaar
08/02/2005, 22:33
I just remembered that in the past it was always customary for the control room of the TARDIS to get redesigned when a new incarnation of The Doctor is introduced. If this rule continues to hold true, I can't help but wonder what this one will be like. Control room design took major departures from the classic version for both the movie version and the new season. Will a new one be another radical variation, or be more familiar?
With the McGann film and the Ecclestone reboot they had a new
opportunity to redesign as they remade the set.
My guess is that they'll hold off for a while, or that any changes
will be minor...unless it is a revert to a previous control room, like
they did with the wooden console from that Tom Baker season.
Perhaps it'll be the focus of an episode...have the Doctor tinkering
around with the TARDIS, leading to some rum occurance.
I still find it a little annoying that an episode generally equates
to a whole story rather than approximately a quarter of one.
By the way...BBC 7...the digital radio channel will be broadcasting
some of the Big Finish CD McGann adventures, starting Saturday, (6th).
The article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/08/02/20879.shtml).
The BBC7 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/index.shtml?logo) page where BBC7 can be heard online.
diggergig1
08/03/2005, 10:48
I hope they bring back the wooden one and run some gothic tales along the lines of my all time fave, Fang Rock - that'd be awsome...
Let's face it - he's got the suit for it...
In addition to Sarah Jane Smith returning next season, it's reported today that
she still has (a now rusty) K9, who will also return.
Wyldstaar
08/24/2005, 19:42
That sound like the sort of rumor that's too good to be true. I like the idea, but I'll believe it when I see it. Even if the plans are true, there's a lot of time between now and then. That's plenty of time for staff changes to kill it before filming begins.
Well, it's on the BBC Who site, and everything looks kosher.
Story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/08/24/23274.shtml)
Wyldstaar
08/25/2005, 11:51
Sounds promising. I wonder if they've made any improvements on K-9 so that he can actually move over uneven terrain without being pulled by fishing lines.
On a completely different subject- I've decided it's about time I got around to making my Doctor Whoclix. I've got miniatures for the first seven incarnations of The Doctor, but I'm not sure how (if at all) I should differentiate their dials. There's also the question of how the dials themselves should look.
My first design is a relatively cheap figure with Perplex, Outwit, Enhancement, Regeneration on the last click, and the Calculator TA. The numbers on the stats are fairly low. This dial design makes an excellent user for the Brilliant Tactician Feat Card.
My second idea is to use a dial similar to Judge Death to represent The Doctor regenerating from one incarnation to the next. This method is interesting, but it also causes The Doctor's point cost to increase dramatically.
What do you guys think? Should I even bother with making different dials for all seven? Which dial layout do you think is better, or do you have a sepparate idea that you feel is more representative of The Doctor?
Sorry...forgot to reply.
I prefer option 1.
12 Clix isn't really enough to represent even 2 Doctors to my mind, so I'd go for
a single incarnation per clix, with regeneration towards the end.
Being forced to regenerate is a lot like being KO'd anyway.
Some of the incarnations could probably use some Willpower too.
diggergig1
09/02/2005, 22:32
Don't forget plasticity! :laugh:
d_knight7
09/02/2005, 23:55
And he always seemed an ineffectual, wet-behind-the-ears Doctor. His advent was when the show jumped the shark...
Andrew
You leave Peter Davidson alone you big bully! Poor Peter Davidson, so much hate :disappoin
d_knight7
09/02/2005, 23:57
The man ran around Amsterdam with green dyed rice crispies on his face for you people, a little respect please! :cross-eye
Wyldstaar
09/03/2005, 17:46
Plasticity? Why?
Option one it is then. For the time being at least, I'm just going to do a Tom Baker version of The Doctor. He's my favorite, and I'm more interested in doing other Who characters rather than trying to come up with variations on the same character.
At least UNIT will be easy. I'm just going to use a Vet Sgt. Rock dial for the Brigadier, Vet HDC Trooper for Captain Yates, Exp HDC for Sgt. Benton and Rookie HDC for the generic UNIT Troopers.
Dalek (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/09/21/24786.shtml) footage discovered!
Wyldstaar
11/10/2005, 18:00
An image of how the Cybermen will appear in the new episode has been posted on the BBC site! Here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/11/10/26933.shtml) it is folks! Is it just me, or does it look like War Machine?
That's quite nice. I can see what they were going for, and really picture the
design drawings that inspired it.
It does look a bit like Kryten from Red Dwarf with a paint job and a new head though.
Wyldstaar
11/14/2005, 18:00
Apparently, I'm not the only one who thought the new Cybermen looked familiar.
I AM IRON MAN! (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=19071&f_ssn=&f_fooble=9)
Apparently, I'm not the only one who thought the new Cybermen looked familiar.
I AM IRON MAN! (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=19071&f_ssn=&f_fooble=9)
Maybe they had the redesign done by Bryan Hitch.
I know he did some of the stuff for the Ecclestone series.
Wyldstaar
12/26/2005, 19:04
Hey NotYou, have you seen the new Doctor Who yet? I know that it was scheduled to air on Christmas in Britain.
AlienFlanders
12/27/2005, 00:33
Since the new Cybermen were designed by Bryan Hitch, they do look like Ultimate Iron Man
Hey NotYou, have you seen the new Doctor Who yet? I know that it was scheduled to air on Christmas in Britain.
I have indeed.
It was done quite nicely, although there are a few daft bits.
When I first heard that David Tennant was taking over, I felt that he'd fall somewhere
between the Tom Baker and Patrick Troughton style.
Fairly charming and silly, yet able to turn on the seriousness also.
The main thing that annoyed me is that a month ago, they showed a preview,
as part of a charity show. It had the moments directly after he mentions Barcelona,
at the end of Series "1". I was sure that it was a preview of the Christmas episode,
and that they'd have included it at the beginning.
They didn't...it was an exclusive scene, and now I've taped over it. :disappoin
Fingers crossed, it'll be on the DVD.
Wyldstaar
12/28/2005, 02:02
I just finished watching it. Downloaded it. I liked it, but I thought that the Cybermen were supposed to be in it. I guess we'll have to wait for the regular season to start before we get our chrome plated villains.
I just finished watching it. Downloaded it. I liked it, but I thought that the Cybermen were supposed to be in it. I guess we'll have to wait for the regular season to start before we get our chrome plated villains.
Well, we glimpsed one in the season '2' sneak peaks at the end.
I hope they end up less killed off than the Daleks were.
Wyldstaar
12/28/2005, 15:26
How killed off can the Daleks be really in regards to a person who can travel through time? The Daleks were only killed off, not removed from the timeline. They still exist in the space/time continuum, and for a very large portion of it too. One of the many confusing aspects of non-linear storytelling.
How killed off can the Daleks be really in regards to a person who can travel through time? The Daleks were only killed off, not removed from the timeline. They still exist in the space/time continuum, and for a very large portion of it too. One of the many confusing aspects of non-linear storytelling.
I know...that's why I phrased it in this somewhat clunky fashion:
I hope they end up less killed off than the Daleks were.
They can be brought back, but it sounds as if they're finished with as far as RTD is
concerned. I believe he said they have no interest in revisiting them.
Wyldstaar
12/28/2005, 18:16
Well, this is one of the more perplexing aspects of the tales revolving around The Doctor. No matter where or when he travels to, he always somehow manages to face the latest incarnation of his enemies. Theoretically he should be able to run into the goofy looking older versions of the Cybermen from the 60's, but he never does and probably never will. For someone who travels through time and space, his life is abnormally linear and orderly.
Well, this is one of the more perplexing aspects of the tales revolving around The Doctor. No matter where or when he travels to, he always somehow manages to face the latest incarnation of his enemies. Theoretically he should be able to run into the goofy looking older versions of the Cybermen from the 60's, but he never does and probably never will. For someone who travels through time and space, his life is abnormally linear and orderly.
Maybe it's just a case of trying to avoid polluting the time lines.
When he jumped back earlier than all of his previous Dalek meetings in 'Genesis',
he almost ended up handing them a "How to avoid all your future defeats" manual.
But realistically, yeah...it's a limitation in the writing...like Enterprise having better
looking tech than the Original Series.
I liked the 'Arthur Dent' name dropping in the Christmas Episode btw.
Wyldstaar
12/29/2005, 12:10
I particularly enjoyed the traditional changing of the wardrobe. I thought it was done quite well, with lots of bits from regenerations past. I'm pretty sure he'd tried that goofy looking red uniform jacket on before. Then there was the old scarf hanging from a hat rack. Another hat rack looked as though it had a Hogwart's Griffindor scarf on it.
I'm not so sure about that last bit at the end where The Doctor says that there's no more denying or covering up the existance of ET's for Earth since everyone saw it. This is hardly the first time something of this sort has happened after all. The ship was only hanging over England. The probe that first showed the aliens was from England as well. It gets even more problematic if you want to go into the whole Arthur Dent name dropping. I seem to recall a large number of starships hanging over the Earth during that bit of unpleasantness as well.
Wyldstaar
12/31/2005, 17:58
I found a notice today that last season's 13 episodes will be available on DVD in the US mid-February. I'd like to have it, but it's going to retail for $100. I have to ask myself if I really want to pay that much for it. That's a ridiculous amount of money to charge for a mere 13 episodes. I suspect that I'll buy it eventually, but I'll probably hold out for a used version from Amazon or Ebay. I understand that part of the reason it's so expensive is that they don't expect to sell very many, but who's fault is that? The BBC have completely failed to bring the new Doctor Who to US shore through any legal means. We US Whovians have been left with no choice but to watch the new adventures of The Doctor through illegal file sharing. Nothing on Sci-Fi Channel. Nothing on public television. Nothing on BBC America!!! There are still thousands of old school Who fans over here that don't even know the series has been revived. It's a disgrace!
I found a notice today that last season's 13 episodes will be available on DVD in the US mid-February. I'd like to have it, but it's going to retail for $100. I have to ask myself if I really want to pay that much for it. That's a ridiculous amount of money to charge for a mere 13 episodes. I suspect that I'll buy it eventually, but I'll probably hold out for a used version from Amazon or Ebay. I understand that part of the reason it's so expensive is that they don't expect to sell very many, but who's fault is that? The BBC have completely failed to bring the new Doctor Who to US shore through any legal means. We US Whovians have been left with no choice but to watch the new adventures of The Doctor through illegal file sharing. Nothing on Sci-Fi Channel. Nothing on public television. Nothing on BBC America!!! There are still thousands of old school Who fans over here that don't even know the series has been revived. It's a disgrace!
Well to be fair, I think part of the fault lies in the discontinuity in DVD prices between
the UK and US. You guys are used to getting them a lot cheaper than us.
This is how they were realeased over here:
The series was initially released in 4 installments, each disc being a no frills,
just the episodes, (3 or 4 to a disc). These cost around £15. (a fairly typical price)
After all 4 DVDs came out they brought out a boxed set of the whole series,
with lots of extras included. This costs £50-£60 depending on where you buy.
(All prices are from brick and mortar retaillers)
So the prices were probably about the same here as it will be there, but less of
a surprise for us.
In comparison to releases of American series, it is expensive I guess.
What do you get these days? A half series (11-13 episodes) for £30-40?
Wyldstaar
01/01/2006, 18:01
Compared to American releases, it's incredibly expensive. The first season of Lost (24 episodes) was only $40 when I picked that up. I've never seen DVDs of tv shows broken up into individual disks over here in the US.
Compared to American releases, it's incredibly expensive. The first season of Lost (24 episodes) was only $40 when I picked that up. I've never seen DVDs of tv shows broken up into individual disks over here in the US.
Yeah...we get screwed with regards to DVD prices.
I had a little look at some series prices today.
Full seasons of Smallville cost £35 for 22(?) episodes.
Over here Lost has been released in two parts.
(Probably because season 1 is only just finishing)
The release of the first half of Season 1 costs about £25-£35.
Wyldstaar
01/04/2006, 15:54
Twenty-five pounds for HALF of Lost?!!!? That's outrageous! Isn't the pound worth around $1.75? It's not as though it's having to be shipped over from the US either. I'm sure it's being made over there, given that we don't sell them that way here. It's not as though you don't have the facilities to do so. At least you GET Lost on tv over there. I want my Doctor Who on the tv. With all the channels out there today, I'm sure SOMEONE would be interested in showing it over here.
Mayberry Bat
01/13/2006, 12:22
Doctor Who comes to America! WHOO-HOO!
But the DVD's have been pushed back from February to July.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/scifi.shtml
K'un L'un Kid
01/13/2006, 16:24
While it's a bummer that the DVDs have been pushed back, I'm entirely jazzed that Sci-Fi finally wised up and is going to show the series on TV. It'll give me an idea of what I'm in for and probably make me feel much more secure about spending $75-$100 on 13 episodes of series having seen them first.
Wyldstaar
01/16/2006, 22:13
Apparently this is old news, but it's never been discussed here and I only learned about it yesterday. Doctor Who is getting a spin-off series late this year called "Torchwood." Anyone who's seen The Christmas Invasion will recognize the name. The series will feature the return of Captain Jack as one of the main characters of the series. The show will be set in (yes, you guessed it) Cardiff.
Mayberry Bat
03/17/2006, 07:55
A reminder for anyone who still cares about this thread. Dr. Who comes back to the states tonight on Sci-Fi.
Wyldstaar
03/17/2006, 17:37
Indeed. Any word on when the new season starts, or the Torchwood spin-off?
Indeed. Any word on when the new season starts, or the Torchwood spin-off?
I've heard nothing much except "Spring".
However, the first Tennant DVD is due for release on 1st May, and includes the
Christmas Invasion, and the first episode of the 2006 series, so I'd expect we'll
be starting by then.
Those of you seeing Ecclestone for the first time have fun.
2 Weeks until the new series starts. (Easter Weekend!)
The BBC site has had some new stuff up including "Tardisodes". (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/)
Little prequels to each episode.
Wyldstaar
04/18/2006, 00:21
New Who has arrived! Yay!! For reasons beyond me, someone on the file sharing site I use thought it would be funny to put a copy of the movie "Freddy Got Fingered" in his sharing file and rename it "Dr. Who 2006 The New Earth." Since the file was so much longer than the true episode, I got the real thing downloaded long before the fake one (the lousy movie being two hours long), so it wasn't a very practical joke (no pun intended). I quite liked the story, and the FX continue to be outstanding.
SPOILERS TO FOLLOW
I loved the opening, with Mickey saying to Rose "I love you." and her just saying "bye". That would seem to me to be the final nail in the coffin of their romantic relationship. I suspect we won't be making as many trips back home as we had last season. We FINALLY get to another planet on camera!!! Admittedly, this planet also happens to be called Earth but it's a step in the right direction. The locale itself and the population of the world we got to see were quite alien, so the name of the planet is of little importance at the moment.
I enjoyed it too.
I'm still plagued by the lingering dislike of the "1 story = 45 minutes" aspect,
and felt it was a little hurried, but overall rather good.
Wheras on the one hand I think you're correct in thinking they'll be setting things
away from the present day Earth more this season, I get the impression that
Mickey's actually going to step up a little over this series.
I vaguely recall hearing he'd actually become "crew" this year.
Wyldstaar
04/18/2006, 18:06
Mickey as a companion? That sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea. He's completely useless in any crisis situation. He can't even run down a corridor without crashing into the cleaning lady. The days of having a companion who's sole job is to get into trouble and scream for help are long past. I also can't imagine that Mickey would want to go with them. I hope that is one rumor that doesn't pan out. As for the 45 minute stories, it's been so long since I've watched the classic 3 hour Doctor Whos that I don't miss the format anymore. Six of the thirteen episodes comprising last season were two parters, so at least you've got that. Last season also had the overall "Bad Wolf" theme encompasing the entire season. This season looks as though it may revolve around the prophecy about the Face of Bo.
It does seem as if it will be proper Bo. (I tell thee)
That's what I was saying about him (Mickey) stepping up though.
Rose being away has toughened him up a little, and he even attempted a small
amount of rescuing at Christmas.
Wyldstaar
04/19/2006, 19:54
Did you catch the pair of recycled locales?
Nothing stands out in my mind in response to that statement, so I'm guessing I did not.
Spilleth thy beans.
Wyldstaar
04/19/2006, 20:11
In the opening scene where Rose is saying goodbye to Jackie and Mickey, they're on the playground from the last episode of season one. You can even see where BAD WOLF was drawn in chalk on the pavement.
The second instance is when The Doctor and Rose are first entering the hidden central chamber with the staircase and catwalks. This is the same place used in the first episode to represent the lair of the Nestene Consiousness. They just changed the lighting and added a fake phone onto the wall.
That Victoria is a total B***h.
Wyldstaar
04/25/2006, 19:24
Finally got to see it last night. It was okay. The forty-five minute format was a bit glaring in this one. The story was far too rushed. The same story done in the old extended format would have been able to develop the characters and situation more effectively. The setup for Torchwood at the end laid it on a bit thick IMHO. I also downloaded Doctor Who Confidential: One Year On. That was quite interesting. Can't wait till next week with SJS and K-9!
Wyldstaar
05/02/2006, 12:02
Well, Sarah and K-9 were fantastic of course. I'm glad they decided to deal with Sarah's abandonment issues along with Rose's misgivings about her relationship with The Doctor. This episode could have easily been just another reunion special with lots of flash and no substance. It's also for the best that they seemed to ignore Sarah's participation in The Five Doctors, which would have just muddled the story in pointless trivia for a bit.
The subject of The Doctor's past companions got me to thinking about how they all parted, and I must say that I just can't seem to remember most of them. I've only seen the black and white episodes once, so I remember next to nothing about them. Jo Grant was assigned to UNIT, so she stayed behind after The Doctor was allowed to leave the Earth again. Can't remember what happened to Harry. I can only assume that he was locked up for being AWOL from the Royal Navy! Leela stayed behind on Galifrey, where she presumably died of old age. I've no idea what became of Romana. Tegan was dropped off at Heathrow after many failed attempts to get her there. Adric was killed. I can't remember what happened to Nyssa or Turlough. Peri married Brian Blessed's character who's name eludes me for the moment. Mel's leaving wasn't shown, and neither was Ace's.
I suppose the biggest question would have to be WHERE IS SUSAN? I suspect we may never find out.
On another note, I'm going to start a new thread for Doctor Who in the TV/Movies Forum. NotYou and I seem to be the only two people posting here, and others may be a bit intimidated by the thread being 17 pages long.
The subject of The Doctor's past companions got me to thinking about how they all parted, and I must say that I just can't seem to remember most of them. I've only seen the black and white episodes once, so I remember next to nothing about them. Jo Grant was assigned to UNIT, so she stayed behind after The Doctor was allowed to leave the Earth again. Can't remember what happened to Harry. I can only assume that he was locked up for being AWOL from the Royal Navy! Leela stayed behind on Galifrey, where she presumably died of old age. I've no idea what became of Romana. Tegan was dropped off at Heathrow after many failed attempts to get her there. Adric was killed. I can't remember what happened to Nyssa or Turlough. Peri married Brian Blessed's character who's name eludes me for the moment. Mel's leaving wasn't shown, and neither was Ace's.
I suppose the biggest question would have to be WHERE IS SUSAN? I suspect we may never find out.
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Here's some fill in info for you:
Zoe and Jamie (Whose name the Doctor borrowed in Tooth and Claw) were the
last black and white companions, and got sent back to thier own times when
the Time Lords captured Patrick Troughton.
Various UNIT people did indeed get reassigned.
Jo Grant - Fell in love with a Welsh hippy in The Green Death, and left to join his commune.
(I believe Katy Manning got sacked for doing a nude photo shoot with a Dalek)
Harry left between seasons.
I think the actor died.
Leela staying on Gallifrey, and Susan staying on Earth, are two things that I feel
certain have been dealt with in books, but not ones that I have read.
Romana stayed in E-Space with K9 (mk2?) in Warrior's Gate.
Tegan got sick of all the death after a Dalek episode (Resurrection?) and got
ditched before she changed her mind.
Nyssa got some kind of "space Leprosy", and when cured, stayed behind to help
out all the others in the space ship they were confined in.
I think Turlough just got the opportunity to go back to his home planet.
I'm pretty sure it was in Planet of Fire towards the end of Davison.
Kamelion left in the same story.
I keep meaning to watch it on tape as I never saw it properly.
Adric, Peri, Mel, and Ace are all as you say.
I like to think that Ace blew Mel up.
AlienFlanders
05/23/2006, 00:23
Romana ended up back on Galifrey as president at some point (from the books)
Romana ended up back on Galifrey as president at some point (from the books)
Yes, I've heard it said.
I rarely read the books that weren't adaptions of the TV shows, and only recently
listened to the audio stories.
Have you read the Ancestor Cell?
I understand it contains a certain degree of destruction, and wonder if it still
holds water in accordance with the new series' talk of Time Wars.
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