Ultimates Sneak Peek Stats

[Draddog]

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<UL><LI>Spider-Man - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul040">R</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul041">E</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul042">V</A><LI>Wolverine - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul046">R</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul047">E</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul048">V</A><LI>Ghost Rider - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul058">R</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul059">E</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul060">V</A><LI>Captain America - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul064">R</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul065">E</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul066">V</A><LI>Doctor Octopus - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul070">R</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul071">E</A> - <A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul072">V</A></UL>

[drgnoftyr]

this is awesome

[DiceShooter]

Cap's stats, omg, I think people will be very happy with this new and improved Cap.

[bace]

sweet!!!

[Glorfindel]

Wow. Thanks Wizkids. I eat my words!

[hhhutch]

All look like good figs for their cost, especially GR and Doc.

[SteveRogers]

OOOOOOOHHH!!!!
Let's go Cap!!!
First, if you can penitrate the big defense from range, try impervious after that! Then, look at that attack!!!! 12 to begin with and then the last click, 8 attack!! Charge with 10, flurry last 2 clicks, EW and outwit ways down!! And the Ultimates team to top it off!!!
THANK YOU WIZKIDS!!!!

[Thunderclese]

Hooray for Cap!!!

[Funky Jett]

Cap looks like the figure he should have been from the get-go.

Awesome job, WK!

[Madroxbox]

Wow, wizkids, how does it feel to never have to hear complaints above Captain America again?

Except maybe that he's not on the Avengers anymore. :p

[cantcme]

wow guess all the cap whiners got what they wanted....captain ###kicker....lol


all in all the figs look good.

[St-Dumas]

Spidey: STILL NEEDS HIGHER DAMAGE!!!
Wolvy: WHERE IS THE STEALTH?!!
G-Rider: AWESOME!!! HE SO FLY!!!
Ock: Why does he have BF?
Captain A: There's no way to put Cap into words...kick ###. Wow, that was quick, I need a hot dog.

[DreadDormammu]

Wow, nice dials. Vet Cap is a monster.

[AlgertMan]

aw snafu, you goota push Ghost Rider

but he does 4 damage so that's cool

like how Doc Ock is Ultron Jr. that's sweet

Cap, gonna push him, but cool, solid dial

Spidey, love the vet, willpower and wildcard, nice

wolvie, he's okay, doesnt replace Logan, wish he had charge on his first click though

[Maniac_nmt]

HO-RAH CAP!

[WarUlt]

Cap is so sweet. He's just a jack of all trades, I'll use him all the time. Anyone impressed with Wolverine also? High damage and attack, supersenses, flurry + bcf, plus some regen. And some nice Ultimate Xmen ability to top it off. Spidey is cheap but good, and Ghostrider is fair. Unfortunately, I still prefer the CT Doc Ock over this new one.

[theSHOWDOWN]

Cap is really incredible. I'm not sure how he'll play out, but he at least looks interesting.

I'm loving Spiderman and Wolverine. I'm not too familiar with Ghost Rider, so I have no idea why he's got an activation click...

Is that just giving him time to start his engine or something? :p

[Madroxbox]

I wonder how long its going to take to get this thread up to 100 posts. 10 minutes?

[JGrim]

WIZKIDS ACTUALLY GOT SPIDER-MAN ALMOST !@#$%^& RIGHT...

Except for the Willpower...

[chimpy2888]

Simply Awesome, i'd say. Props to wizkids for an awesome looking set!

[fineberg]

Looks like vet cap is designed for you to push him to get him on his second click. Cool piece, I'll enjoy playing him

[Deadpool91]

CAPT AMERICA HAS ARRIVED!! what a figure!!!!, all 3 versions are incredible!

spiderman is super playable

wolverine is impressive but defense values are too low, might keep me from playing him often

doc oct is a let down. i don't see myself playing him often, but probably will in low pt games. his attack is very low compared to his previous set.

punisher is pretty solid, i like his diversity from stealth to running shot and outwit.

ghost rider is a very good dial. i like it for the most part. all in all this set is gonna be great from the looks of it, now i'm afraid i have to get into a case where before i wasn't. if they include ultimate thor.....forget about it.

PLEASE PLEASE WIZKIDS, GIVE US LOKI!

[DiFoj]

Yea Cap :cool: great just great

[Redleg]

Nothing to say about Cap that hasn't been said already.

My excitement for Spiderman is about to rival my excitement for Elektra (Yeah...it means what you think).

Ghost Rider...a boring dial for a boring character. No wonder his book got cancelled. :cheeky:

Wolvie...all the cool things they could have done for him. I wish I could be impressed. At least his Rookie is a Brotherhood.

Doc Ock...the Vet is a nice addition to the Sinister Syndicate. The rest are alright.

No matter what Wizkids may do poorly...Vet Cap will make up for it.

[chimpy2888]

Good question........I'd say 8 minutes.

[Cloudpret]

Wow cap in incredible, cant wait to use him. Hey anyone think he can take on his counter part batman??? LET THE DEBATE BEGIN! hehe sorry

[DreadDormammu]

I'm glad they didn't give Cap any attack powers... I always said he should just have white AV with a good #. But no Willpower?!

Wolverine's DV is awful. Ghost Rider isn't exciting as a dial.

[Batman1983]

:eek:

I'm loving the powers on these guys... Doctor Octopus gives you Outwit! Spidey w/ Willpower! Capt. America is a war machine of power... YEA!

[Ghost_Rider_92]

Ghost Rider

:::::Drooooooooooool:::::

to ll you nay sayers about GR, Cp suxors!

J/K ;)

These are all good, except Doc Oct.

[Socko]

Cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grin: :eek: :grin: :eek:

(i salute my computer screen)

hes sweet, thats for dang sure

[WhiteRabbit909]

...MUST...GET...VETERAN...CAPTAIN...AMERICA...NOW...

[admironheart]

bah...I like the old captain america..except for the Rookie Ultimates version.

I hope they don't jack up Ultimate Hawkeye as badly.

Cap isn't bad...he is just overcosted!! His DV stats are too low.. actually his AV is too high! [I do like the ending 16 DV with support though...almost like Quasar..but for an extra 19 points..Quasar is soooo much more useful.

Spidey looks ok for 31 points

cheers

wes

[Teletran]

Alright! Cap finally has some justice!

Can't wait for the rest!!!

Wizkids, please make Ultimate Thor a great fig! :)

[IrnMan26]

First off, the criticism:

Cap with no willpower?!?!
Wolvie DV's too low

The good stuff:

Everything but those two things!!!

I guess sacrificing that Nightcrawler to the clix gods worked after all.

YEA WIZKIDS!!!!

[GL4Life]

Sweetness....my only problem is that they still have SS and Brotherhood TAs when they made new U and UXM teams. I mean the U ability is awesome and it makes more sense than the A TA for them, but UXM ability is just as uneccesary as a new Brotherhood would be.

[dj_sha]

Spidey looks like great. A nice cheap Spidey to tag along with the big guns. Plus the Vet with Willpower on click one is awesome for only 58 points!

Wolverine looks about the same, but a little overcosted for what he does. Sculpt is great and Brotherhood on the rookie version is a nice touch.

Ghost Rider with cheap invulnrability and great stats looks nice. Reminds me of Big Barda since most of his versions (Vet excluded) have only a 4 range.

Captain America is a great improvement. The impervious and l/c were somewhat of a surprise, but I could see them. That 16 defense with defend will make him a great late game fig, kind of like Sgt. Rock with toughness. The flurry, charge, outwit, EW, toughness and combat reflexes are all powers I imagined him having. But one gripe Wizkids (even though he's great): No willpower???? He's Captain-frickin'-America for God's sake! The guy practically INVENTED willpower! He really needs some (LE perhaps?). But that aside, I would definately consider using him on a team, competitive or themed. And yes, he could go toe-to-toe with E Batman and have a good chance of coming out on top now.

Doc Ock is ok. Has some interesting new powers which make sense for him (outwit, battle fury, flurry), but in the end the original Doc Ock is far better.

All in all, good job Wizkids! Definately some nice figs. Now to go and scrounge up some cash for a case....

[dj_sha]

Oh, whoops, Wolvie has super senses instead of toughness on some clicks. Well that does make him different AND a little more useful in some occasions.

[Howard d. duck]

(Howard d. duck cannot respond for he has gone into cardiac arrest due to how Captacular the Stats were and how cool the sculpts are.)

[Ghost Ripper]

The only think Cap is missing is the Will Power, other than that he's freakin Amazing.

Wolverine what a let down. Man he should have Exploit weakness with B/C/F and Charge. That would have at least made his point cost worth it. He's so over costed for what he does. For a Wolverine fan he's a let down. Heck they even could have given him will power something to make him diffrent than the run of the mill Wolverine we've gotten. O, well there is always the next set;) .

Spiderman is aaaallmmmmoosssst therrrrreee....Just need that 3dmg slot for at least 2 clicks w/ Super Str. And He needs a Much Higher Defense with SS. I mean come on he's The Amazing Dodgeing Wall crawling, Acrobatic Flipping, super speed Spiderman. DD gets at least a 17 w/ ss why not Spiderman who is faster and has a better SS that is his Spidey sense. O well, like wolverine maybe the next set. Very playable though for his points, so I can't complain to bad. 31 pts for his R now you can have Moon Knight and Spiderman flank support pieces into a Pincher...Ouch. Talk about Tie up as well.

Ghost Rider - don't really know much about him except what's the Deal with the Stupid Smoke Cloud?!? They figured since no one in Marvel has really had this they'd give it to a lot of people who really don't use it? He should have had INC. for those clicks for his Pennance stare. Or nothing at all and some EW on that 4 damage.

CAPTAIN AMERICA- He'll be in almost every freaking team I build. He's like Eclipso, you'd be stupid not to use him.

[pokemonandrew]

(puts on Cap Americas MvsC1 music) THUMBS UP SOLDIER, but really all of them are nice, im quite intrigued about ghost rider, but im really not likin the Ock.

[St-Dumas]

I forgot to mention:
PRAISE DRADDOG!!!

[chowdah]

WTF??? Ghost Rider has smoke cloud??? And where is his regeneration????

GOD #### I knew they would oufk his dial up...nice jorb WK....

=(

[shock man x]

I like that Captain. Ghost Rider makes little sense to me. At least he got charge, I'd have him with some HSS though, to represent that bike a little better.

[deathsythe]

I think they all look great. Caps awsome and the mere thought of that they were able to do with him just has me thinking about what they can do with the rest of the Ultimate team and this set. I like spiderman and ghost rider for their points and what they do for those points. Doc Octs decent and the vet addition to the sinister six is nice. Wolverine is pry the lowest one on my list but he is still pretty decent, I just love Logan more though. Brotherhood on R is nice.

[Scooterman]

V Doc Ock will be on every one of my OUTWIT lacking Sydicate teams, which I do like to play a lot.

Think the R Wolvie being Brotherhood was a cool idea.

Cap's wicked, GR is pretty good.

Spidey's a cheap snatch and grab, with the V stepping up to the snatch, grab, and smack with no push.

Keep dials like these up!

[herotolegend]

wow. cap and ghost rider...awesome

[IronManI]

Awesome Vet Cap! Can wait for mixed games with DC.
"Hey Superman! Catch!"
"Whhooofff."

[vaders sabre]

Love them all!!!!!! well maybe not doc oct,Its too bad cause I use his CT one all the time.:cry:


But the rest very nice

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by Ghost Ripper
CAPTAIN AMERICA- He'll be in almost every freaking team I build. He's like Eclipso, you'd be stupid not to use him.

But wait! He's not a wildcard! :grin:

[GL4Life]

I just realized with th UXM TA the way Wolverine is is alot more useful than orginally thought with the Super Senses. Hes a decent fig to have if your locking onto someone

[dj_sha]

For all you Spidey complainers, just remember that this is the Ultimate Spider-Man. That means all his versions are pretty much rookies in the superhero biz. I think they did a great job of showing that while making him playable. He's kinda like the Universe starter Spidey. Not to mention the vet is an awesome secondary attacker. Robin+V Spidey=super strength Batman?

[Ghost Ripper]

I want Wolverine with B/C/F and EW. For God's Sake make him diffrent than every other freaking, bleeding B/C/F'er out there. O yeah why your at it give him charge and possibly some willpower. Next set hopefully.:grin:

[absolutvt69]

I agree that Wolverine's DV is a little low but I like the Flurry/BCF combo... oh so deadly. CA looks great. Spiderman seems cool for his point cost. Could be a very annoying harrasser. Ghost Rider.. I don't really know the figure but I don't get the Smoke Cloud. His dial just seems rather plain compared to.. well Captain America's. Doc Octopus is kind of meh... I'd rather have the Flurry up front and the L/C at the end to get back to a medic but he does have EE w/ two targets and the always helpful first click Outwit. All and all, pretty impressive considering all but one of these are figures we've seen before. Beginning to think I made the right choice by ordering a case.

[dj_sha]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
But wait! He's not a wildcard! :grin:


?

[Maniac_nmt]

I'm just stoked I have a Captain America I can play, and feel like it's really Cap.

Yeah Cap is willpower, but this is Ultimate Cap, and the dial fits him something awesome.

It's SOOOOOOOO nice to see Cap's amazing HtH skills get their due with a 12 attack, exploit weakness, and leap climb.

I can tell you right now, very few teams will ever be made without one of those Cap's on it.

[Ghost Ripper]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
But wait! He's not a wildcard! :grin:

Silly you can use wild cards to copy him, what were you thinking?!?! LOL

[deathsythe]

My Avengers clixs just became very stoked about their new improved leader.

[Ghost Ripper]

Originally posted by dj_sha
?

Inside Joke Sha

[dj_sha]

Also, what's with the cones on Spidey and Wolverine? I know their to represent action poses, but they look pretty corny to me.

[saxman0829]

there is a new god in heroclix and captian america is his name!.... I just can't wait to see a super vet really mad at magneto le steve rodgers

[Spider-Bat]

Originally posted by Thunderclese
And yeah, even though he is on the Ultimates, I think they sort of amalgamated the two versions. I hear the Ult Cap's sheild isn't nearly as impervious as the original, plus, he doesn't throw it offensively. Ultimate 6 issue six or seven... He tosses his shield at/through the Ultimate Green Goblin's side.

[Ghost Ripper]

Originally posted by dj_sha
Also, what's with the cones on Spidey and Wolverine? I know their to represent action poses, but they look pretty corny to me.

Yep Wolverine has an action pose of leaping and attacking and he doesn't have either one? L/C? NO Charge? NO! Gee, what's up with that? Kind of reminds me of Keiko's Double Uzi's and no range?!?! HuH?!?! O, well the nice thing about Wolverine and Spiderman is no matter how many times they screw them up you'll always get another:grin:

[Deadpool91]

yeah i'm really disappointed with the smoke cloud. i can't remember the last time i used that ability. i thought for sure they would represent the pennance stare with either p blast or exploit weakness. pretty upset about that, but otherwise ghost rider is a great dial

[Spider-Bat]

Sorry if this has all been said before...

Originally posted by Spider-Bat
Ultimate 6 issue six or seven... He tosses his shield at/through the Ultimate Green Goblin's side. Oh, and he tosses a manhole cover (or something) when fighting Giant Man to knock a bunch of pipes onto his larger foe.

[XocgX]

Shouldn't GR have pulse wave (penance stare/whip chain of magical substance) and not SMOKE CLOUD?!?! MAYBE punisher and GR smoke cloud is a misprint!!!

[GL4Life]

My guess is they want Smoke Cloud to be a deterant for the super range games we have all the time. Of course with U TA, that doesn't mean a whole lick of a #### does it.

[Thunderclese]

Okay, my bad about the 'no sheild throwing' I was just going off of the first 6 issues, and from what I've heard.

[Thunderclese]

Question: The U TA is basically like the Superman TA plus Leap/Climb, right?

[GL4Life]

And for the Cap having Impervious naysayers, anything that can stand a two handed blow from the Hulk, gets frickin Impervious.

[Thunderclese]

Question: The U TA is basically like the Superman TA plus Leap/Climb, right?

If so, then why does Cap have L/C at all on the E and V versions. Is it so he doesn't have to break away? I thought that'd be included with the TA.

[Nickel97]

I don't even like the character of captain america, but the Ultimate Cap figure is pretty awesome!

Spiderman is cool too. No Outwit to drive the cost up.

The other ones are so-so. GR is probably decent, but boring (a FF TA would've been cool), Doc Ock gets points for being the Ulitmate version, but isn't as good as his CT brother. Brotherhood for r wolverine is a nice touch.

[psul71]

Originally posted by Thunderclese
Question: The U TA is basically like the Superman TA plus Leap/Climb, right?

If so, then why does Cap have L/C at all on the E and V versions. Is it so he doesn't have to break away? I thought that'd be included with the TA.

I would think it is there not only for "no breakaway" but so he could move freely on to/off of elevated terrain (which the team ability does not allow.)

I have to say I am very impressed with Cap and the others (except Doc Ock, sure glad I still have the CT versions).....looks like I will have to preorder a case :) .

[GL4Life]

Ultimates TA only ignores hindering, so L/C is still usefult for stopping on blocking terrain and attacking characters on on blocking terrain. Not as useful with U TA, but theres still a difference.

[brianhandwerk]

Cap with Imp.?????? Hulk better have it this time around #### it:devious:

[Untouchable]

Originally posted by Madroxbox
I wonder how long its going to take to get this thread up to 100 posts. 10 minutes?

Well, I'll add to the list :-)

The Cap looks really good.I will try him out.Ghost Rider also looks pretty good.Wolvie is ok.There is very little you can do to change him.I will use the CT Doc Ock rather than the new one.Spider man Veteran looks very playable.Cheap with Leap and Climb, Super Strength, Willpower and the Deadly Wildcard TA. Open Heroclix will be fun with him :-)

I look forward to Ultimates.PLEASE HAVE AIR-WALKER IN THIS SET AND MAYBE MORG :-) I just want the last of the Heralds to do my Senario :-)

[EvilGenius]

Originally posted by Thunderclese
Question: The U TA is basically like the Superman TA plus Leap/Climb, right?

No. Ultimates TA is exactly the Superman TA, which DOES allow you to ignore hindering terrain on movement, but doesn't let you change elevation or ignore character bases during movement.

[Frontman]

Ok, all seem cool, BUT.....

On second thought, still seem cool. Dunno about Cap having Impervious, but hey, at least he's worth playing.

As far as a complaint, take a look at the sculpt of Cap. Can we say a bit off on scale for the head?

yeah, thought this was an Arwen King model....

[EmperorShotz]

MAN! I just hope marvel takes a page from DCs book and concentrates on the paint jobs...

I'll be popping that Doc Ock right off that base and onto my extra CT ones. :-D

[DarkCrisis]

Cap A. - You have to spush him or he will got knocked passed his imperve. I think that sucks.

G. Rider - Smoke Cloud? Why? Same with Punisher. Godd fig though.

Wolvie - Same prob as Cap. You need to push him or he will get knocked passe dhis tougness.

Ock - Sucks

Spidy - Very nice.

[kwsazul]

I don't anyone to ever say that Batman is overpowered/undercosted EVER AGAIN!!!
The E and V versions of Cap are MONSTERS, they can see thru stealth and charge thru hindering terrain, and exploit weakness and his V attack tops out at 12!!! (I like the impervious clicks too)
The Batman vs Cap question has obviously been answered in the world of HC.

[algrim]

Batman is overcosted.

[algrim]

Okay, okay - Batman is undercosted AND overpowered. Sorry, kwsazul - I tried to agree with you.. it just didn't stick.

:p

But seriously, this Cap is definately one bad mama-jama!

[Ghost Ripper]

Originally posted by Untouchable
Well, I'll add to the list :-)
Wolvie is ok.There is very little you can do to change him.


Huh! I can think of 1 right off the top of my head. Give him one of the most powerful combos in clix. Charge, B/C/F, and EW. Now tell me doesn't that change his whole dynamic a lot more. Think about it, he should have a diffrence between his Adamantium claws and other B/C/F'ers regular swords and Claws and teeth. His claws should be able to by pass defenses no sweat. Alas, maybe in the next set or If WIZKIDS is reading these then make an LE w/ EW, Charge and B/C/F please.:grin:

[WarHULK]

Well, we now have the first natural batman outwitter. Brainiac 5 can do it as long as he has a Supes TA character on his team and now Cap can do it on his second click. Not bad.

I think the Cap/Bats fight will still be rather close, however. It's going to be an "I outwit your outwit" kind of battle. Cap outwit's Batman's LC to catch up to him, Bats outwits Cap's outwit and runs away... it'll tie up Batman's outwit, but it'll still be hard to pin him down. I'm hoping Ult Hawkeye gets RS and a 10 range with a decent attack.

[Po Po]

I'm really disappointed by the Wolverine. He costs a bunch more than Logan, but has worse stats. WTF? The UXmen TA can't be worth that much...
I hear ya'll about the Smoke Cloud for Ghost Rider. Definitely weird. But at least he gets incap further down the dial.
Spidey and Cap look great, though, and I'd probably play Ock if I pulled him.

[The Charlatan]

I looked at V Caps' stats first, then just sat there thinking 'Holy ####' for a minute. Wish you didn't have to push him to get to his Imp and that he had Willpower instead of CR. Still think that Batman's Willpower/Leap-Climb/Incap/Outwit combo is overall superior but offset by his lower attack.

Spidey: Cheap, but useful enough. He's got that 'yoink!' thing going.

GR: Solid....EXCEPT HE DOESN'T HAVE AND HAS NEVER HAD THE POWER 'SMOKE CLOUD'!!! IT IS AN UTTERLY POINTLESS AND COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE POWER FOR HIM!!!!

Doc Ock: Different, but not terribly intersting. Front loaded Outwit and ending Flurry are nice though. No defensive powers? He'll die fast, but leave a good-looking sculpt.

Wolverine: Minor tweaks. Doesn't interest me much I'm afraid.

[IronManI]

I dont think its a big deal his imp. is on the second click. It makes sence. Cap never just rushes headlong into a fight where people have the range on him. He'll move from cover to cover, hence es/d. Give him a 19 defence against range guys. Move him from hindering to hindering, it goes up to 20. Not to many guys are going to hit that, so they'll close. Now that hes close enough, you push Cap onto his second click. I can just see everyone pushing him the second turn of the game....

[turdburglar47]

For the people complaining about Ghost Rider's Smoke Cloud...

The wheels of the bike are on fire, constantly generating smoke all the time. Not to mention his flaming head.

Any pic I've seen of Ghost Rider generally has him emerging from a huge cloud of flame and smoke and what-not. Part of his mystique.

So all you suckas what hype up the whole 'strategy rules' aspect should start finding cool ways to use smoke cloud.

Hopefully, the next preview is Mysterio or MODOK. Deadpool is rumored for the next set, so I'll save my championing until then.

Vote MODOK in 2004 - because you can't go wrong with a bowl haircut the size of a swimming pool.

[I Am The Game]

Is Cap undercosted?

I punched the numbers on the Vet into Retardog's formula .93k. If the Ultimates TA costs the same as the Superman TA, I calculate Cap at 109 points without even counting Combat Reflexes or Exploit Weakness. The 97% point break puts him at 106... :ermm:

Guys, stop complaining about Doc Ock already... Marquee weekend, you'll be singing his praises. Apart from Diablo, how many villains have first-click Outwit?

[shin-goji]

I don't understand. Why does the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider have smoke cloud? That makes no sense. The 90's Ghost Rider has never done anything even resembling smoke cloud. Barrier at BEST! I'd have ratehr WK left the power off completely.
In other news, anyone predicting a FF Ghost Rider LE?

[Maniac_nmt]

Now if only the rest of the Ultimate team looks this good.

The rookie Cap does kind of surpise though, expected some EE or similar on him for his tommy and grenades.

HOPEFULLY we'll finally get some marqee level chars getting LEs (like Cap, or Spidey). Then we could get a willpower Cap that would beat the hell out of people to.

[Nickel97]

Yeah, I see the ultimate cap play going, move up into charge range banking on the 19 range defense to keep him alive, and then push to charge the next turn and then falling into impervious.
I really like the end of dial 16-support clicks. that's my biggest complaint with the vet (he only has 1).
Good thing I dislike Ultimate cap less than regular Cap. I might actually play this figure.

[Manchine]

Ok First off WOW! Just so I can get it out of my system

WOW

1) Captain America, Different arrangement that I had but Impervious just like I called it (in Character Creation). Little bit Higher speed then I expected but everything else right where I guessed.

2) Spiderman, Nothing Really special. No 18 defense, Flurry, or Outwit. I expected a couple kliqs of outwit at least.

3) Wolverine Nothing to surprising! I still wont play him.

4) Ghost Rider, Ahhhh One of the 3 figures I said I never want to see! And Punisher is in here also. NOOOoooo, as long as we dont get the worst Marvel Figure to date Carnage! ;)

5) Docter Octopus this I like For 60 points he is deadly enough to be scary and a SS TA!





OK one more Time

WOW

[bradley2099]

Why does Cap have Imp? He shouldn't have it. He should be hard to hit, not hard to damage. And he only does 3 on his first click. Once everybody pushes him, his defense drops to 16 (from 19 against range) and his damage drops to 2... and everybody is happy with this? I don't think he's going to be as playable as everybody thinks he's going to be. Spidey is pretty good and represents his Ult version pretty well. Ghost Rider could be very good (love'n that charge). Wolvie is a bruiser. Oct is a BIG disappointment.

[webhead817]

Wow, I never would have expected such a gush of previews...must...get...faster...connection...

[Manchine]

Originally posted by bradley2099
Why does Cap have Imp? He shouldn't have it. He should be hard to hit, not hard to damage.

Becuase he blocks with his shield he doesnt get hurt. Plain and simple.

[deathsythe]

I think the reason cap has imp is not because he's hard to hit, it's because if he's hit while holding the shield he barely takes any damage. Having a shield makes your body hard to hit, but you still will get hit, you just take less damage. The EW on his dial makes the 2 damage stick even on characters with INV, IMP, and T. I don't see how he isn't playable.

[spider_ham]

This is the Cap I've been waiting for (looks like my U's gonna become Captain Dustbunny fairly soon :( )! Even the R kicks arsenal. GR wasn't as powerful as I imagined he would be, but he's a definate must-have. Spidey's nice for the points, and Wolvie, although a bit costly in his E/V incarnations, comes through with a full dial of BCF. I officially change my opinion on Ultimates-- looks like a good set, afterall... :cool:

[Spyder's Web]

Spider-Man is AWESOME. Anyone who says differently needs to go jump in a lake.

[Glen Quagmire]

Among all the nice things that can be said about Cap ... ONE click of Leadership. Just ONE. WK finally got the message; we don't need beacoup clicks of the worthless power.

Quoting Bradley...

Why does Cap have Imp? He shouldn't have it. He should be hard to hit, not hard to damage.

The damage reduction part is someone managing to get a shot on Cap where he isn't able to block or deflect it properly.

And he only does 3 on his first click. Once everybody pushes him, his defense drops to 16 (from 19 against range) and his damage drops to 2... and everybody is happy with this?

But he can eliminate anyone's damage-reduction powers with Outwit or Exploit Weakness for the rest of his dial. His two damage will do a plenty.

[Alex Napalm]

Originally posted by Deadpool91
yeah i'm really disappointed with the smoke cloud. i can't remember the last time i used that ability. i thought for sure they would represent the pennance stare with either p blast or exploit weakness. pretty upset about that, but otherwise ghost rider is a great dial

Ditto. Smoke cloud makes no sense. Psychic blast and exploit weakness both perfectly represent Ghost Rider's penance stare.

[yitjuan]

I'm going to , but the lake next door dried up ...

Oh yeah , remember this is the ULTIMATE Captain America . They don't get any better than this .

[Summoner Geek]

I like Cap a lot. But doesn't it seem that the rest of the figures have low DVs and short dials? I know their point cost isn't high either. Must be because they are Ultimate figures and therefore less experienced compared to the regular marvel continuity figures?

[Draggor]

Wow. Now THIS Is a nice surprise. Might as well add my 2 cents

Captain America- Finally how cap should look. Almost too many powers though. With Imperv/exploit he can stand up to the big guns. If he cops a beating get him out with combat reflexes and pull him back to defend your team and flurry anyone who chases you into submission. My IC Cap is never seeing play again.
Wolverine- I actually disagree with most posts here and think he's the best version yet. Super senses so he can maybe take a big hit first up. You only have to push once to get to those bcf/flurry clix and he has 3 damage there so it's less of a gamble. Holds his toughness for a while. His team ability means the vet will have a 10 attack against his chosen victim for those super clix. I'll definitely use him. Even replace Logan. Should have exploit weakness though. Maybe the LE. Would you really want a 2/3/4 rarity figure to have bcf and exploit weakness together with 3 damage and a 9 or 10 attack rating?
Spiderman- Willpower is different. Affordable and useful. I think I'll still probably shell out the extra points for the CM vet though. Nothing bad here though. Does represent Ult Spidey very well.
Ghost Rider- Don't like him having an activation click. Don't see Smoke cloud getting used much. Beast in combat though.
Useable. Cool sculpt.
Doc Ock- This is the only one I'm not sure about. Probably prefer the CT version. The Sin Syn did need some outwit though. Could be useful. Share Bullseyes 11 attack, outwit Supermans impervious then energy explode both supes and the cop he's carting around to boost his attack. The exp version is probably the most useable because of the super strength.

Very impressed by this set. 7 pages and way more praise than complaints. What's going on?

[The Charlatan]

Originally posted by turdburglar47
For the people complaining about Ghost Rider's Smoke Cloud...

The wheels of the bike are on fire, constantly generating smoke all the time. Not to mention his flaming head.

No it doesn't. Ghost Rider's flame is clean-burning mystical hellfire.

Any pic I've seen of Ghost Rider generally has him emerging from a huge cloud of flame and smoke and what-not. Part of his mystique.

I've seen him emerge from a cloud of fog or the burning smoking wreckage from an explosion, but never self-generated smoke.

[tyroclix]

Initial reactions:

Love the Vet Spiderman. Willpower, Wildcard, Leap/Climb and Super-Strength - he'll be awesome in Open games. Not sure what's different about the R and E version from Crit Mass.

I like the Rookie Wolverine. Free move is nifty. The others aren't any different than what I already have other than the TA. And I think the X-men TA is better than Ult X-men.

Dr. Octopus - love the Rookie - the bad guys get some cheap Outwit! The others are okay - but I still prefer the CT Vet. Is that a mistake on the Ult Vet? EE and Battle Fury. Sure hard to make that work. I mean, I guess your opponent might Outwit BF to MC him... I guess :confused:

Ghost Rider - don't care for the character so it doesn't matter. I don't think his fans will be that pleased.

And Captain America. Awesome. The Rookie will see lots of play. And he only gets better. Wish one had the Avengers TA. If he were a Unique I'd be buying a case.

Can't wait to see what else is in there...

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Draggor
Very impressed by this set. 7 pages and way more praise than complaints. What's going on?

Could it be that we get 2 sets in a row with very little complaints!


Is it snowing in Hell Michigan? (Yes there is a town called Hell in Michigan!)

[Ro-gan]

Carp In A Hat!

Again: I am glad I am buying a case of Ultimates.

SWEET!!!!

:cool:

[Bloodsword]

Cap is amazing. He will kick ###. Doc Ock is a huge let down. He fails in comparison to his CT version which I play alot.
Ghost Rider I am pleased with as well. The set is looking good. Except for poor ock.

[turdburglar47]

Originally posted by The Charlatan
No it doesn't. Ghost Rider's flame is clean-burning mystical hellfire.



I've seen him emerge from a cloud of fog or the burning smoking wreckage from an explosion, but never self-generated smoke.



Now why would hellfire bother to be clean-burning? It's from HELL. It's bad news, it should be polluting like a motherscratcher.

Never quite got why a demon from hell would bother avenging injustices, either.

[TheRavenHQ]

I don't know... I'm probably alone in this but I feel disappointed... cause I'm a pacifist. I love high defense.

Spiderman has S.Senses but I still think his DV is too low...

Wolverine has a super sense of smell, he should be able to have more S.Senses or have higher DV. Considering his adamantium skeletion, plus regen...

Then there's Ghostrider's annoying activation click...

*sigh*

Maybe if Future Blast/Shock/Whatever has 2099 stuff I'll get some of that...

[Diablo4485]

DUDE! It's... DUDE! My mind is blown!

Many apologies to WizKids for all those bad thoughts I was thinking when I didn't see the preview up at 3. Except for Wolverine my expectations were more than met. I'm gonna start saving my cash for this set right away. A cheap and powerful Spidey, ridiculously powerful Ultimate Cap and Ghost Rider... this may end up being my favorite set. Just hope they'll do justice to the other Ultimates in the set (Crossing fingers on Iron Man and Thor.)

[I Am The Game]

Crud... Vet Spider-Man's a Wildcard? I didn't even see that. May as well stop making Spideys. Between this one and the ultra-cheap Universe Spidey, nothing else is gonna look as good.

[kitsunekaboom]

Ghost Rider: Decent figure...if it wasn't Ghost Rider. Why on earth does he have Smoke Cloud? I hate late game Incap because it bumps up the cost so much, he should have had Impervious on the vet, and Regen, and the Penance Stare would have been better as Exploit Weakness.

[LabRat]

Wow, Captain America is great... hopefully we'll get a remake of the Avengers Cap because I love playing same team symbol games and the Avengers need a normal universe Cap that's similar to Ultimate Cap...

Spidey's... cool... well, his dial didn't impress me much but I guess I'll like him more once I playtest him... He doesn't have the mid game advantage that the CM Spidey had (mid game Defend with 17 DV is always appreciated) but his cost explains that... I haven't read any Ultimate Spidey books so I'm wondering why R Spidey's got lots of Super Strength and no Inc... Didn't he have webshooters? No Inc reduces point cost and more people would appreciate the L/C and Super Strength combo, so it's great...

Wolvie... no comment...

Ghost Rider, great sculpt... 4 damage at the start? Wow, so he can do 2 damage against Hulk/ inv characters, huh? Well, that Smoke Cloud really seems out of place on him...

Doc Ock... he needed Flurry, but CT Ock is better IMO... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't normal universe Ock waaaay better than the ultimate Ock? Again, haven't read any Ultimate books so...

I've got no real complaints regarding these figures (including Punisher), I'm looking forward to the coming previews...

[RevOnline]

Disappointed in Doc Ock as he is nowhere near as good as the old version...that said CT Doc Ock and Ult Doc Ock would do well on a team together...

Ghost Rider is ok, 60 points for Inv is pretty good, bit more than Silver Dreadnaught but still feasible as a MM sponge.

R Spiderman is ace, the rest are ok too. E is a bit...nothingness but V brings something new to the table. In my eyes though he should have lots of late dial willpower and plenty of up front super senses. He dodges the attacks, but gets hit, but determination alone sees him take down (insert Syndicate member here.)

Wolverine - E certainly looks like a handful. V having 12 AV against a named figure is pretty fearful too. I still think I'd rather play IC U or CT Logan though...much better than the dire Patch of last time though.

Cap - he's a bit dull, and his dial is very messy. Going to take some learning his dials to play him well. But aside from Imp and charge which is nice he is also the first natural "superman ally" with outwit. Stealthed teams will hate him, the veteran in particular.

All in all, yeah pretty good. Certainly no major complaints anyway.

Anyone else hate how UL and Ult have been released so close together...it's confusing acronym hell!

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by turdburglar47
Now why would hellfire bother to be clean-burning? It's from HELL. It's bad news, it should be polluting like a motherscratcher.

Never quite got why a demon from hell would bother avenging injustices, either.

Because he's not a demon from hell, he's the ANgel of Death.
I'm serious.

[SithSpecter]

Ghost Rider has smoke cloud why?!!? Incap I was totally expecting but he *doesn't* ever do anything even smoke cloud like. He doesn't obscure vision or create darkness or even make smoke as he burns. Blah...at least he is ok for his points except that activation click junk.

[clique84]

Umm, yeah I'll take Vet Captain America for the block...lol
Awesome so far, let down a little by Doc Ock, Vet Spidey is gonna be fun!
Finally a non-lump of plastic Captian America!

[impulse1121]

everyone looked good, but am I the only one who was hoping spiderman would have a flight base to simulate him webb slinging???? oh well cant win them all I suppose!!!good job wizkids!:) ;) ;)

[darkkrisp]

Cap should not have Impervious. I do not care if you try to justify it by him holding his shield. Impervious should be used for the truly impervious characters not the item or someother variable they are holding. That is the whole point of energy shield/deflection. By the reasoning cap has impv then all phasing characters should have impv since technically nothing can hit/hurt them.

Why doe Doc Oc have EE do his harms fire blasts in the ultimate world?

Ghost Rider with smoke cloud. What? I have never seen any version of Ghost Rider use smoke. When his bike rides up or in anything you never see it burn or cause smoke to the surroundings. Him going up a building and starting it on fire would make him really hated. He should have exploit weakness or pyschic blast to simmulate the pennance stare. So should Man-Thing if they make him.

Why the darn activation click? I hate it so much. If they are going to torture Marvel with it DC should have a alot more to.

[deathsythe]

okay darkkrisp, you hold a shield and I'll hit you with a maul. Next don't hold a shield and then I'll hit you with a maul. Tell me which one would hurt more, with or without shield.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by deathsythe
okay darkkrisp, you hold a shield and I'll hit you with a maul. Next don't hold a shield and then I'll hit you with a maul. Tell me which one would hurt more, with or without shield.


Now that was funny. LOL

Would you like to be hit with a club with a shield or without? LOL


Hmmm

I wonder why!

[SithSpecter]

A little sheild is hardly justification for being put on the same toughness level as say, Superman. Capn' is wayyy overpowerd and Marvel Zombies are just going to sit and grin about it *shrugs*. Too bad as they grin they don't really understand he isn't that great.

[skyounkin]

So, manchine, just how happy are you right now?.......

I think they nailed both Spiderman and Capt., and I think the scuplts look great, not a fan of U X-men but I know some people are so, I am happy for them......

Good job to Wizkids giving Ghost Rider L/C, he could drive that bike up walls and n' stuff....even went up the side of the Baxter Building....now we can have the awesome FF team of Fixit, GR, Spiderman and Logan!!!!

[Manchine]

Cap I think actually is slightly overpowered! To much jumping around with his powers. I think one kliq of Impervious would of been just fine. But I did call the impervious.

I just love how people cant understand the Impervious. Try and compare Marvel to DC.

[skyounkin]

Originally posted by Manchine
Cap I think actually is slightly overpowered! To much jumping around with his powers. I think one kliq of Impervious would of been just fine. But I did call the impervious.

I just love how people cant understand the Impervious. Try and compare Marvel to DC.

OVERPOWERED?.... Wow, not a complaint I expected- BUT you are one of the experts on the Ultimates, I think he is okay, you do have to have stats to represent going toe to toe w/ the Hulk, even if he was seconds away from facing "the chew you up and digest you" fate.....ewwwhhhhhh.

I'm not following you on the marvel vs. DC on the impervious issue....I think impervious in DC is they can stand there and take a hit and shug it off....in marvel with U. Capt. it seems to go along the lines of reflexes saving his butt with the shield. It can take a helluva lotta damage......

[drgnoftyr]

you forgot the i dare you part manchine.....

i think marvel is superpower's mostly ...

dc is superhero's and bad guy's;) ;)

[Cell]

Ugg Smoke Cloud with Ghost Rider? 2 of the 3 Figures i want the most from Ulitmates somehow ended with Smoke Cloud

Wolverine? Terrible. Looks so much like Logan from CT. Except without the Stealth Doc Occ? Ugg. Spidey? Hes pretty good, but not that drastically different from his unviere starter version. The Best of the bunch Cap, better stats than i expected, ill admit especially that 12 AV :confused: But Only one Click of 3 Damage. That makes him weakere than alot of people here are giving him credit. Still good but not godlike... Now Wizkids give us a Baron Zemo

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by chowdah
WTF??? Ghost Rider has smoke cloud??? And where is his regeneration????

GOD #### I knew they would oufk his dial up...nice jorb WK....

=(

Geez.Finally somebody said it!!!
WK representation is a slap in the face of every GR reader (at least if he's to represent Dan Ketch:

Smoke Cloud? What the f....????? When did GR throw smoke bombs? Or does his bike throw up that must dust?
It's absolutely ridiculous on him! :mad:
The chain was represented with incapacitate which is cool, but his penance stare was completely overlooked and he got the uber-carpy activation click. :mad:

VERY-very-very-very disappointing to say the least!!!! :disappoin

The rest is quite cool...but screwing up one of my favorite characters so badly....oh man :cry:

[Cell]

The Activation Click is justified. I think it was in the Ghost Rider/Punisher/Wolverine oneshot, you see Dan as a human and then turn into the Ghost Rider... but lack of Regeneration is disapointing. His Bike can regenerate forever... Meh... Wizkids must not be Ghost Rider fans.

[Acmite]

Cap and Spidey both look great. Only downside is, we still don't have multiple arrow versions of either character--next iteration, I guess.

Ghost Rider...meh. Not my cup of tea--don't like activation clicks much, and I find that I don't have a huge need for smoke cloud. I'd rather have barrier.

Wolverine-nothing groundbreaking. I doubt I'd play him outside of sealed.

Doc Ock--Melikes the CT version too much to use this one.

[Dr. Morbius]

EW for at least 1 click was a 100% thing on Ghost Rider...it seemed to me the power was invented for him :(
How much sense makes Smoke cloud with Charge from a gameplay standpoint (not taking into account how plain wrong the power on GR is)???
I didn't even realize there's no regen at first...this is even worse.
But I could live with that...even with the lack of his penance stare....but smoke cloud????? Why...oh why????

At this point I almost hope they will never even make a Morbius...if they screw him up this badly :disappoin

[darkkrisp]

Originally posted by deathsythe
okay darkkrisp, you hold a shield and I'll hit you with a maul. Next don't hold a shield and then I'll hit you with a maul. Tell me which one would hurt more, with or without shield.

First what is a maul? Second I never claimed to be a Super Hero, well except for that one time to get this real hot woman jk. So if Capt America is attacked from all directions what does he shield do for those other directions? Nothing. If he is attacked by a nuculear missile does his shield save him? If Hulk or anybody else real strong grabs the shield with cap still holding on a flings it thousands of miles away into a mountain does cap just go for the ride and comes up unscathed? Do not think I am on the DC bandwagon becuase I am as big a Marvel fan as they come. But Superman deserves imp because he is Superman and takes big punishment and walks away. A guy that puts his feet to the dirt and holds his shield to block stuff is not impv though his shield is. So if he his holding his shield out and the hulk, superman, or thor with his hammer is banging away I am expected to believe that his arms and or fingers will not break or he will not be knocked backwards because not only does the shield take the damage but it magicaly transfers the force and shock elsewhere so he does not feel it? Please. If he had the shield on over his head and someone superstrong felt the need to bang on it the shield would stand the beating but the rest of him would start being nailed into the floor.

[SithSpecter]

I'm a huge Ghost Rider fan, he is why I started to read comics. And I'm baffled by the smoke cloud. The incap is the Stare however, I knew they would ascribe that to the power. Oh well. The activation click may be junk but I understand that too. I can accept not so great stats and or powers if they make sense on a character, but the Smoke Cloud is driving me batty because I won't ever be able to accept the "how" and "why" of it. Never.

[Cell]

Im hoping the Ghost Rider LE is somehow better than his Veteran... Like Lack of Smoke Cloud for one :p

[skyounkin]

Capt.'s shield is made of a Vibranium/adamantium mix, so it absorbs the vibrations that would regularly tear someone in half...........that way it can take a hit from the hulk or superman or thor and not desintegrate Capt.'s arm, and he can stand there and not deal with the knock back.

Beyond that comic book logic applies, it happens because it happens-it's not real life it's a comic book.;)

[deadalus13]

"A guy that puts his feet to the dirt and holds his shield to block stuff is not impv though his shield is. So if he his holding his shield out and the hulk, superman, or thor with his hammer is banging away I am expected to believe that his arms and or fingers will not break or he will not be knocked backwards because not only does the shield take the damage but it magicaly transfers the force and shock elsewhere so he does not feel it?"

Cap's shield, at least in regular marvel universe, is a unique compound of adamantium and vibranium (There might be something else in it too. Can't remember for sure.). This does allow it to absorb the force of a blow without trasfering any of the energy to its holder. This is a special property of the shield. Think of it like an inertial dampener.

[skyounkin]

A maul is a large hammer, like a sledge hammer, but primarily used as a weapon.....

But now the qwuestion you should be asking is if Capt's shield is made of the Vib/Admant mix and can absorb blows then how the heck does it bounce all over the place when Capt. throws it?.......It should by the logic I stated, hit a wall and fall to the ground and wobble a bit, not fly back to his arm, or bounce from bad guy to bad guy............

Answer is simple.........

The Vib/Admant mix is condensed in the middle of the shield and as you get closer to the shields edge it becomes more pure Admantium, which allows the throwing and bouncing and hitting of the bad guys and then zinging back to capt's arm.

Comic book logic is the BEST logic around!!!;)

[Wasteland]

Lessee, my 2 c:

Spidey: Really Awesome cheap version. Nice representation of the Ultimate Version, although I probably will only play the Vet (if I want cheaper, I will play the Universe Experienced one)

Ghost Rider: Well, take away the Smoke cloud and replace it with something more like Psychic Blast and Incap and and throw some regen at the end, I would have been truely happy. As it is, he's alright. I'll play him.

Cap: What hasn't been said? This is one mighty Cap, and I like him.

Wolvie: Sad, so sad. You have Logan with a slightly higher attack value, with no Stealth, and less Toughness up top. EW is one power that I would have been very happy to see him have, as well as Charge on that opening click. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Doc Oc: Eh. I'll play the original any day of the week over this one. Cheap Outwit on the rookie is nice, but with no defense help, low attack values, and alround suckiness, probably won't play him past the Marquee.

Oh well. Here's hoping they have some more new characters for this set to make it truely stand out.

[CapAmerica24]

Originally posted by SithSpecter
A little sheild is hardly justification for being put on the same toughness level as say, Superman. Capn' is wayyy overpowerd and Marvel Zombies are just going to sit and grin about it *shrugs*. Too bad as they grin they don't really understand he isn't that great.

LITTLE shield? I am not a Marvel zombie by any means...I prefer DC, but this figure is not on the "toughness level" of KC, SOD, OWAW Supes. First you say he is overpowered, then he "isn't that great." One or the other please! ;)

[psul71]

Originally posted by darkkrisp
First what is a maul?

A BIG HONKIN' Hammer :angry: (think sledgehammer, but the head is about 5 times bigger. Real good for bashing stuff.)

I do not know if this goes for the Ultimate Caps shield but in the regular Marvel universe his shield is made up of several different metals, one of them being VIBRANIUM (not even going to touch on the A********M thing with a ten foot pole ;) ) and is quite possibly one of the most indestructable items in existance.

Vibraniums main attribute is that it absorbs impacts, vibrations, etc.... A sheet of Vibranium the thickness of Aluminum foil is able to absorb the force of large caliber bullets and stop them. My interpretation of giving Cap Impervious is because of the unique compisition of his shield. Hulk swings at Cap, Cap manages to get his shield up in time and his shield absorbs the impact (pretty much seems to be impervious to me.)

Okay lets say you miss the impervious roll, I think this represents that Cap was able to partially deflect the blow, but still may take damage from a sufficient source.

All in all, I think Impervious was pretty much the perfect way to represent Caps shield (much better than ESD alone.)

That is just my take though :)

[SithSpecter]

Originally posted by CapAmerica24
LITTLE shield? I am not a Marvel zombie by any means...I prefer DC, but this figure is not on the "toughness level" of KC, SOD, OWAW Supes. First you say he is overpowered, then he "isn't that great." One or the other please! ;)

He is overpowerd for what Capn' should be. I felt I was pretty clear. His stats are a little too much and Impervious is a little too far. I know the exactly what the sheild is made of, and I've read plenty of comics with Capn' blocking all kinds of poweful things with it. Deflecting them in fact...as in Energy SHIELD deflection. He should have simply had more of that and plain old toughness.

[Dr. Morbius]

I summed it up...at least we get a nice 400 pts NEW FANTASTIC FOUR:

Logan (v) - 60
Ghost Rider (v) - 93
Hulk (CM) (Prof. Hulk from FF#374) - 149
Spider-Man (v) (CM) - 88
Paramedic (e) - 10

Exactly 400 :)

If only GR had no Smoke Cloud...(well there's hope for the LE!!!)

[tigerbonist]

Spidey rules. I would love to see a six range though and two lighting bolts. It's not like he swings from 2-story skys####ers (that's an oxymoron).

[Captain K.]

Add another to the list of people angry about Smoke Cloud on Ghost Rider. He has never created a cloud of smoke. Ever. Energy Explosion would have been better to represent turning his chain into a hail of shuriken. Also, why so much Incapacitate? If that's supposed to be the penance stare (and PBlast/Exploit Weakness would have been better), he shouldn't have more than once click of it.

At least the activation click keeps him cheap. A lot of stats for not many points.

Everything else looks good. Thumbs up soldier!

[tigerbonist]

Originally posted by tigerbonist
Spidey rules. I would love to see a six range though and two lighting bolts. It's not like he swings from 2-story skys####ers (that's an oxymoron).

Boy that's really stupid. They "####"ed skyscarpers (sic on purpose). What a load of poop. <---That won't be "####"ed.

[fridayweb]

300 pt. New FF:

104 U-Mr. Fixit (if you're gonna do it, do it right!)
40 E-Spider-Man (Universe)
60 V-Logan
93 V-Ghost Rider

297

[miridor]

Now that's Cap!!!

[davenappy]

Cap rocks!!!!!! I can't wait to get him!!

The other figs are ok, but my biggest complaint, just like a lot of other people, is that GR has SMOKE CLOUD for abso-freakin-lutely NO REASON!!!!! Who is he providing cover for? Himself? He has no stealth!!!! Does GR ever take cover in anything in the comics? No! He just takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!!! Why not just give him pulse wave or even BCF? You could make a better argument for BCF instead of Smoke Cloud for GR.

I won't let this travesty of GR's dial take away from my excitement though. The GR sculpt relatively up close on WK site makes it look like one of the best ever.

[davenappy]

Cap rocks!!!!!! I can't wait to get him!!

The other figs are ok, but my biggest complaint, just like a lot of other people, is that GR has SMOKE CLOUD for abso-freakin-lutely NO REASON!!!!! Who is he providing cover for? Himself? He has no stealth!!!! Does GR ever take cover in anything in the comics? No! He just takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!!! Why not just give him pulse wave or even BCF? You could make a better argument for BCF instead of Smoke Cloud for GR.

I won't let this travesty of GR's dial take away from my excitement though. The GR sculpt relatively up close on WK site makes it look like one of the best ever.

[davenappy]

sorry for the double post

[Rocket Ranger]

Well, they finally got a Cap that's closer to what they should have done. I love the dial. My only complaint is that he's Ultimate Cap. Even the rookie Cap in Ultimates puts the veteran Avengers version to shame, and that just doesn't seem right. Since I'm a themed player, I'll probably play some all Ultimates teams, and maybe get an extra V Ultimate Cap to switch out the sculpts with the IC version. The thing that's going to get on my nerves, though, is the "power gamer" type of guys I play with will start fielding Ultimate Cap on ALL their teams just 'cause he's so good. Out of our group, I'm the only one who fields the old Captain America on my Avenger themed teams. Now, he's going to be the "new" Deathstroke, Nightwing, Batman on everybody's teams. Something tells me I'm going to end up fighting this Ultimate version of one of my favorite superheroes probably more than I'll even play him...and that's just a little frustrating. Of course, what can ya do when they give the guy such a powerful team ability? This Cap is a contender.

Believe it or not, I think they can still make Cap a little closer to the comics, and hopefully the next version will be a new Avengers/Invaders one. Other than the OBVIOUS willpower, I'd start off Cap with running shot and two arrows. Energy shield/deflection with a high defense is nice, but it seems like Defend would be more useful early on. Just give the guy an 18 defense with defend. If it seems like the impervious is too much(however, I personally think it helps explain how often his opponents either fail to damage him at all, or how his shield takes some of the blow), you could always replace it with willpower. Outwit, exploit weakness and close combat expert are all applicable for damage powers, as is stealth for a movement click or two. Anyway, I'm holding out hope Wizkids doesn't consider this Cap the end all Cap. If anyone deserves as many versions as Elektra, its Captain America.

As far as the other previews go, they all look playable, which is the most important thing. Spider-Man and Wolverine will have their uses and are just different enough from their other versions. Doc Ock's not bad either. He isn't the Clobberin' Time version, but why would ya want more of the same stuff anyway? I have a feeling he'll be played a lot more than some of you think. I don't know anything about Ghost Rider, so I can't say how accurate he seems. But, any clix that can charge 6 squares for 4 damage is pretty good with the new rules. All in all, the set looks very playable so far.

[Thunderclese]

Originally posted by GL4Life
Ultimates TA only ignores hindering, so L/C is still usefult for stopping on blocking terrain and attacking characters on on blocking terrain. Not as useful with U TA, but theres still a difference.

Right, didn't read carefully, thanks for that clarification.

[Eric Rage]

Originally posted by Rocket Ranger
The thing that's going to get on my nerves, though, is the "power gamer" type of guys I play with will start fielding Ultimate Cap on ALL their teams just 'cause he's so good.

Yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw him. I know Cap's gonna be leading a whole slew of wildcard teams around my neck of the woods. This new set is really featuring some huge numbers, which has me a little apprehensive.

Oddly enough, the one place I would've loved to have seen a huge number is Ghost Rider's movement. The guy's on a freakin' motorcycle! Would a 14 have been outta the question? Moon Knight can run nearly as fast as Ghost Rider can ride!

[Shango]

Ultimate Cap! 'Nuff said!

[WakandaMan]

My thoughts.

Initially I was all about to complain about them messing up the stats and power combinations, and then I remembered something....

...theses are the Ultimate versions of the characters! Most of them are pretty well perfect representations. Especially Doc Ock. Let's take a closer look:

Doctor Octopus
He has a lower attack overall, which is fair enough since he is 'new' to the supervillian business. He has double EE up front which nicely represents his tentacles being able to morph into guns and all kinds of things. Most importantly, his genius is his primary ability (Outwit) but it is tempered by his insanity (Battle Fury). When he gets peeved, he just starts pummeling Spidey instead of fighting smart (Flurry). And the VET is Syndicate, since the Ultimate 6 story was very recent. Perfect!

Captain America
Yeah, no willpower and not much leadership, but there's a boatload of EW. What's the one fighting move that people remember most with Ultimate Cap? Kicking Hulk in the goolies is what! It makes perfect sense for him, and Outwit is something he actually does a lot of. I like the late dial Defend for when he tried to protect Nick Fury near the end of the battle too.

My one big dissappoint with his dials is the Rookie one. With no TA, it clearly represents his WWII days, however it STILL has Impervious!? What? He didn't get his new shield until AFTER he'd joined the Ultimates (which he have to assume is an Adamantium/Vibranium composite, since we know SHIELD has Adamantium tech). So it makes no sense for the Rookie to have Impervious on the dial. Invulnerability MAYbe, but probably just toughness for his old style shield. Meh...the rookie is very dissappointing to me...good chance for WK to show us some diversity through a REV and they blow it. I will not play the Rookie out of protest for it's inaccuracy. ;) :P The Exp and Vet are about perfect though!

Wolverine
Well I am VERY pleased that the Rookie is Brotherhood! However it just perturbs me more that they decided we needed a whole new TA for UXM. GR! But it gives me hope of more cool Brotherhood figs in this set. Perhaps Wizkids decided that the X-men TA has enough figures by now. :ermm:
I do very much like the single click of Super Senses! It differentiates him a lot from previous versions and makes total sense for him. The Flurry is nice as well, and defintely different from Logan since he always has BCF with it...although I wish he didn't have all the 3 damage to bump his point cost up. The low DV doesn't worry me...Wolvie is like that. Usually he doesn't care if he takes a hit, since he'll just heal up again. I'm really not sure why his point cost is so high, and that is the one big dissappointment with him. Maybe it's the UXM TA?

Spider-man
Perfectly represents the Ultimate version. Cheap and reasonably effective. Ulti-Spidey doesn't deserve Outwit. Is it just me though, or is the Universe version identical to this experienced one, but with a TA? Meh. Still, although it's accurate to the Ultimate character, there is virtually no differentiation from earlier versions. Hopefully they'll start going for more interesting Spider-men next set.

Ghost Rider
The activation click makes perfect sense. He always seems to walk into a bar as Blaze/Ketch/whoever, and then "flame on", really freaking everyone out. While I also don't understand the Smoke Cloud, at least we can take heart in the fact that it is an incredibly cheap power...it probably is only adding one or 2 points to his total cost, nothing to cry about. I really expecting PsyBlast or EW for the Penance Stare though. Dissappointed about that. Overall he's okay. Least accurate representation, and hopefully the LE has F4 team. I would have liked a higher speed also. But it will be awesome enough just for the sculpt.

All in all, most of the dials looks good...most importantly, they are accurate to the characters. This set is looking good so far.

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by fridayweb
300 pt. New FF:

104 U-Mr. Fixit (if you're gonna do it, do it right!)
40 E-Spider-Man (Universe)
60 V-Logan
93 V-Ghost Rider

297

Your team represents the first incarnation...with Mr. Fixit!
Mine was the 2nd...from the Secret Defenders kick-off story and it included the Professor Hulk (in brown jumpsuit actually).
So I did it right!!!! Thanks for making me look like an §$%§$!

[Shango]

Well I think the disaapointment with the IC Cap has really beenaddressed with the Ultimate Version -

now here's hoping for an Ultimates QuickSilver with HSS.

That's going to be nasty with the Ultimates team abilitry.

[Thunderclese]

Originally posted by Shango
now here's hoping for an Ultimates QuickSilver with HSS.

That's going to be nasty with the Ultimates team abilitry.

Yeeeeeeaaaahhh, buddy!

[Legion-of-Doom]

Spidey- very good representaion comic wise, I would have liked to see a little Defend and another arrow (he does have TWO web shooters WK) but over all I give it a B+

Wolvie- I like the Ult X-men TA, it means I won't have to get this piece of poop piece for my X-men team. A definte plus giving the R the Brotherhood TA, four clicks of 3 dam, and the Super Senses are AWESOME, but I believe in U-X issue two or so, isn't Wolvie described as "the most dangerous mutant in the world" ? Wouldn't "the most dangerous mutant in the world" have some Exploit Weakness or a higher defense ? overall C.

Punisher- Smoke Cloud had better be a misprint for energy explsion. Grenades, not smoke bombs WK. Love the late dial Running Shot and Outwit though, thank you for not teaming RCE and RS yet again. B+

Ghost Rider- Smokecloud again, what is he spinnin his wheels for a burnout ? No FF or Spidey TA ? No Exploit Weakness for the penance stare ? An activation click !!!! Well that sucks. Wait, hes only 93 points, has 12 Charge, 11 attack, Invulnerability, a ranged attack, and a base 4 damage ? For under 100 points ? Oh..........well, uh. A-

Doc Ock- I'm assuming the Energy Explosion and Battle Fury combo is a misprint. I'd have liked to see Incapacitate, if Constrictor can do it, why not Otto ? 2 clicks of Outwit with the Syndicate ability ? Bye bye Kraven, you expensive piece of poop. Sure CT Ock is better, but thats one of the best figures in the game. Now you can have all your multi armed nut job fun for 5 points less with Outwit. B+

Cap- Flurry and Outwit with a base 2 damage at the end...sweet. I would have liked the Toughness and C Reflexes swapped. Not big on the Impervious, I won't complain about it, but I really think Willpower would have made more sense comic wise. I also would have killed for a first click Stealth, but this will be a great piece. And I just get all tingly thinking about the Ultimates TA. A+

Heres hopin we see a oversized Giant-man ala the Bat Sentry.

[kurttkrueger]

I am so loving Cap! I am so loving Spidey!

I really can't wait to field an Ultimates team now. And, Vet Spidey will tag a long for a guest appearance!

Dan

[Thunderbolts]

Cap bodes well for the Avengers, because if a new Iron Man, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Black Widow (assuming they're all made) are as improved as he is, the Avengers might be able to win vs. the Justice League now.

TB; nah, who am I kidding, they don't have Hal Jordan

[splitblood]

O.K. I get it... Fix Cap so good no one will notice how bad we screwed G.R.
I see said the blind man

[the itsy bit]

well..

GR shouldn't he be MORE powerfull ?? nice dial though.

Punisher 4 damage from range is too good for a mere human.. (here's hoping for a better Cyclops !)

Spidey.. the Universe version is thesame except he DOES have Spiderman TA, guess which one is better.(the WP doesn't do too much)

Doc Ock... eh :cry: Kraven has outwit already why should I play Ult.Ock again ?
Even the Rookie Doc Ock from CT outclasses him !

Cap.. ouch ! that's one beast of a close combat fighter !!

the Ultimates versions so far are just bad (except Cap), here's hoping the rest of the normal figs whom still need to be made are in this set and are good !!

[IronManI]

Originally posted by bradley2099
Why does Cap have Imp? He shouldn't have it. He should be hard to hit, not hard to damage.
The shield is impervious. He took a full power swing, backed by the Odin force, from Thor one time. Picked himself up and dusted himself off and was fine. His arm was a little sore, but other wise he was fine. How many people do you know in comics who can walk away from one of those with out any ill effects?

[grey_zealot]

1) Very, veeeery happy with Cap. Yep, time for HT Batman versus Punisher, the the HT Batman versus Ultimate Cap.

2) Slightly disappointed with Doc Ock. Always been a big fan of that villain.

It's not a bad dial. It is very playable. But, since Ultimate Ock can morph his tentacle-tips into different weaponry, I expected a little more variety, I guess.

Still, I'll be just as happy to play this one as I was his CT version.

[Gentlegamer]

Captain America might be slightly over the top, but it is Ultimate Captain America, so I suppose it all fits. This is a headliner Captain America, one you build your team around who can hold his own against the game's top characters and can fight effectively throughout his dial. I like it!

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by splitblood
O.K. I get it... Fix Cap so good no one will notice how bad we screwed G.R.
I see said the blind man

Nice one! You hit the nail on the head!!
Wonder what excuse they will come up with this time, when they explain his Smoke Cloud :confused:

[Ghostie]

YAY Ghost Rider is finally here!!

ok he has an activation click..I expected that.

I expected incap (and I actually think it suits better than ew as it would tend to leave people gibbering wrecks...sounds incaped to me)

smoke cloud?!?!?!?

only things I can think of if this is meant to be the original Ghost Rider and they're using the new sculpt...

mind you I was kinda hoping for midnight sons ta...

[Manchine]

Originally posted by IronManI
The shield is impervious. He took a full power swing, backed by the Odin force, from Thor one time. Picked himself up and dusted himself off and was fine. His arm was a little sore, but other wise he was fine. How many people do you know in comics who can walk away from one of those with out any ill effects?


Really Wow. You saw that comic? When did Ultimate Captain America take a hit like that from Thor? I must of missed that Ultimate Issue!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :laugh: :p ;)

[New Warrior]

Ghost Rider has a flaming skull, Fire lets out smoke, hence smoke cloud, Yes it is ####tacular. I would rather have him have poison. whats the point of Smoke Cloud without stealth? Its like RCE with a range of 2, o wait we got that too.

[rotru]

My thoughts in a nutshell:

Spidey - Cheap, effective, and fun. I'm not sure why they won't let him have higher than a 16 Defense with Super Senses, but the Willpower is interesting anyhow. Now I have three solid Spideys to choose from in my Wildcard teams (V Ult, V CM, E Uni)

Wolverine - Brotherhood TA is a nice touch. Not much new here, but still appreciated. You knew he would be in the set, at least he is a little different. it seems like the excessive 3 Damage clicks and the U-Xmen TA have driven his cost up a little. Exploit Weakness would be devastating, but I think over the top for a non-Unique.

Ghost Rider - Smoke Cloud is kinda iffy, but it must be dirt-cheap. Incapacitate for the whole dial wold cost way more than this. No matter what figure you stuck on this dial, it would be a good-cost effective bruiser. I anticipate that the LE (which we know has been made) may have the power set that GR fans are looking for, much like LE Psylocke.

Punisher - Smoke Cloud is even odder here, when Energy Explosion seemed such a natural to me. Still, it has its uses and is inexpensive. This looks like a figure just on the cusp of greatness. Short dial, little damage reduction, and relatively high cost keep me from ranking him higher. I will still play him with glee.

Doctor Octopus - Cheap outwit, decent combatant, Veteran has Sinister Syndicate TA. I honestly can't complain. I see this as a staple Marquee piece, and a balanced figure. I suspect that the Vet has Super Strength like the Exp on his Battle Fury Clicks.

Captain America - Holy smokes, that's a mean Cap! This is what I have been waiting for! If this is how WizKids remakes figures that they didn't do so well the first time, bring 'em on! I honestly expected his Vet at 103 to be mostly Team Ability, but this Cap really shines.

Bring on Ultimates! This looks like the set that will really get me excited with Marvel HeroClix again. Kudos, WizKids!

[New Warrior]

Wow Ultimates is really smoke cloud happy. How much longer until we get a Wolvey with Smoke Cloud. GR is much better off with poison, like Angelus in Indy. She has clix of poison before she gets blades to represent her burning touch (or Penence Stare.) I still think that Big Pun should at least get a click of blades on his last click with willpower as a last ditch effort to stay alive. At least Cap. A doesnt have Smoke Cloud.

[RangedCombatEx]

OK, understatement, Cap is very cool and finally does justice to his character. Spidey's alright, so is Wolverine. Doc Ock, meh. The Adam Warlock award of the set goes to Ghost Rider. He's playable I guess, but who the hell is he? Charge, L/C, INC, Inv, Tou all fit, but whats the deal with Smoke cloud?!?!? They should have given him EW or PB to represent the penance stare and he also should have battle fury all the way down his dial, he's the Spirit of Vengance for crying out loud, not the Marvel smoke machine!

[Thorgrin]

Uhm, I don't know which Superman you're talking about, but KC, SOD, and OWAW would totally own up on Vet Cap. Sorry to burst yer bubble, but KC Supes in particular outguns him and after 5 points of damage, Cap is pretty much useless and easy to knock out the rest of the way...

So far, unimpressed with this set...

Ghost Rider - No ultimates TA? I'd rather have exp Colossus than the vet Ghost Rider. I can activate Colossus without pushing (using X-Men TA), more invulnerability (not like it matters w/outwit..), and more toughness. Maybe not as good of defense or attack, but a little easier to heal w/the X-Men TA and low defense for paramedic...

Spidey - Critical Mass was probably the best version...

Doc Ock - Hmm, lemme see here. Yes, he does get outwit, but the CT versions seems to be around +2 AV, +1 defense, faster moving, with willpower for generally the same point cost or lower..

Wolverine - Did we really need another one? The rookie is brotherhood? Great, another sabretooth type figure... Sabretooth is just fine... The unique Wolverine is better with the 12 AV and stealth.

Captain America - Not bad, but not that excited over him. Then again, I thought his normal REV wasn't all that terrible...

Originally posted by IronManI
Awesome Vet Cap! Can wait for mixed games with DC.
"Hey Superman! Catch!"
"Whhooofff."

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
Ghost Rider - No ultimates TA?

Why should GR have the Ultimates TA when he's not from the Ultimate Universe?!?!

Would be like the Vampire Batman with Kingdom Come TA...complete nonsense, sorry! :o

[Greenandgold]

The moved one step closer to my perfect Spidey! :grin:

All they need to do now is give him 1 click of perplex at the front.

[krusticlese]

I'm glad I didn't order a case.

I see nothng that would warrent me spending an extra $1 a booster. Captain America looks cool, as well as Ghost Rider. The rest all have previous versions that are more playable (except Punisher, he seems a little overcosted considering there are more effective ranged attackers).

Also considering the fact that there will be more than a few Morlocks in the set, I'll just buy boosters at the Marquee's.

As we learned with Unleashed, a few choice Uniques does not a playable set make.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by krusticlese
As we learned with Unleashed, a few choice Uniques does not a playable set make.

Have to agree with that. A few powerful uniques does not mak a very good set!

[unholyazrael]

Awsome figures, I love that ghost rider, but all of these need one activation click except wolverine.

[JacinB]

Alright, I was wrong on the whole not expecting a lot from Captain America thing. Way wrong. That's a figure that is a whole heckuva lot tougher than I would've ever dreamed of making him.

Sure, you hit him on that first click of ES/D and you knock him clear past Imperviousness, but so what? With him team ability, he can hop into hindering terrain and out of it without penalty so you're going to be looking at a 20 Defense to hit the first time around on the Vet. That's plain nasty.

And the attack value? Hello? What's with that? Sure, he's a mean hombre in the Ultimates universe, but a 12 ... ?! I'm not sure that was warranted.

I'm not complaining, really. I mean, I'll definitely use him (a lot), but it makes me long for a re-make of Batman ...

[sol]

Guys!

Cap with no Willpower isn't bad at all, cause he got Impervious where i personally would have put it. I could see that instead Combat Reflexes, but hey. CR will allow him to a better late game figure considering his end of dials abilities...late dial Outwit and Defend....awesome. Even better than i imagined.

[New Warrior]

I hate myself for saying this but...

Wouldnt it make sense for Wolverine to have Exploit Weakness since his claws can cut through anything?

[Acmite]

Was Ultimates designed by Jeff Grubb (recently fired designer that did most of the work on Unleashed; Marvel Super-Heroes RPG alum)?

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Acmite
Was Ultimates designed by Jeff Grubb (recently fired designer that did most of the work on Unleashed; Marvel Super-Heroes RPG alum)?


Pretty close to every Expansion this Year is going to be Jeff Grubb's work. The last 2 this year wont be as much but jeff still made some decisions on it.

[doc_holleday]

Originally posted by Manchine
Have to agree with that. A few powerful uniques does not mak a very good set!

I'm actually surprised nobody said that so far (3, 2, 1 ....)

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST SET EVER!

:cool: :grin: ;) :p :knockedou

[sol]

Unleashed is bomb-diggity...OK..i was a bit harsh...but....Jeff grubb impressed me way more than anything JonL has done...his magnum opus was Vet Doc Ock and con artists.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by doc_holleday
I'm actually surprised nobody said that so far (3, 2, 1 ....)

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST SET EVER!

:cool: :grin: ;) :p :knockedou


Nope not going to be the best set ever. Its got my 3 most hated figures in (according to the rumors)!

[olcottr]

Finally a Captain America I can get on board with.
Finally a cheap Spider-man, nice back-up hitter.
Ghost Rider's kind of a one-click wonder, made worse that you have to push him to get there. Also, Smoke Cloud is extraneous for him, on his best clicks no less. Hm, let me think, should I charge for 4 damage, or throw up a Smoke Cloud?
Rookie Doc Ock is a great cheap outwitter. Veteran is a great attacker too, as long as he's next to Bullseye or Taskmaster. I don't see myself using the Exp, though.
Wolverine is great! The only problem is having his 3 damage with the BCF, my one beef with Vet Sabretooth.

[olcottr]

Originally posted by JacinB

And the attack value? Hello? What's with that? Sure, he's a mean hombre in the Ultimates universe, but a 12 ... ?! I'm not sure that was warranted.

I'm not complaining, really. I mean, I'll definitely use him (a lot), but it makes me long for a re-make of Batman ...

I agree, Batman should have as good an AV. But I wouldn't lower Cap's.
Hawkeye better get a 13.

[sol]

Originally posted by olcottr
I agree, Batman should have as good an AV. But I wouldn't lower Cap's.
Hawkeye better get a 13.

why would Hawkeye EVER have a higher AV than any Captain America?

And of course, even i agree Batman should get a higher AV, but lose the CCE in favor of EW.

[Thorgrin]

You mean like Scorpion have MoE instead of Sinister Syndicate? You mean like Spiral having MoD? Or perhaps a version of Beast not having Avengers? Or Moondragon not having Defenders?

I was under the impression this Ghost Rider was in Ultimates. If not, then what a horrible sculpt. I would have liked the classic looking GR better for a sculpt..

So far, this set looks worse than all the others.

For the fanboys, I'm sure it'll be great though... A bunch of recycled Marvel figures.. yeah...

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
Why should GR have the Ultimates TA when he's not from the Ultimate Universe?!?!

Would be like the Vampire Batman with Kingdom Come TA...complete nonsense, sorry! :o

[IronManI]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
Sorry to burst yer bubble, but KC Supes in particular outguns him
KC Superman Outguns EVERYONE! :laugh:
I was speaking of the fact that Cap can hit Supes and by pass his defence with Outwit causing damage. Hence the "Whhhooooff." I am NOT saying that Cap can or should beat Superman, but its nice to think that Cap can cause some damage to Supes. ;)

[Thorgrin]

wow, and here I thought Unleashed was awesome..

Ultrahumanite
Black Adam
Green Lantern
Two-Face
Rocket Red
Brainiac 5
DEO Agents
HDC Troopers
CYBORG (3 damage w/pulse wave isn't good?)
Dr. Fate

Most of the set has very good and playable figures with the exception of perhaps Chameleon (which is at least a Legionnaire to make up for it, though) and maybe one or two others (maybe Cheshire).

If anything, it didn't have a bunch of recycled figures (aka Elektra, Daredevil, Hulk, Spidey, Wolverine in just about every Marvel set...)

Originally posted by krusticlese
I'm glad I didn't order a case.

I see nothng that would warrent me spending an extra $1 a booster. Captain America looks cool, as well as Ghost Rider. The rest all have previous versions that are more playable (except Punisher, he seems a little overcosted considering there are more effective ranged attackers).

Also considering the fact that there will be more than a few Morlocks in the set, I'll just buy boosters at the Marquee's.

As we learned with Unleashed, a few choice Uniques does not a playable set make.

[richks]

Originally posted by sol
And of course, even i agree Batman should get a higher AV, but lose the CCE in favor of EW.

Aye mate, EW was practically MADE for Batman. As long as he's got at least 4 damage that is ;)

[Thorgrin]

By that logic, then so can Mandarin, Black Panther, Dormammu, etc, etc, etc.... Anyone can cause damage to Supes.

Heck, I'd even say that this Cap would give the Rookie Supes a run for the money..

Originally posted by IronManI
KC Superman Outguns EVERYONE! :laugh:
I was speaking of the fact that Cap can hit Supes and by pass his defence with Outwit causing damage. Hence the "Whhhooooff." I am NOT saying that Cap can or should beat Superman, but its nice to think that Cap can cause some damage to Supes. ;)

[ChicagoAvenger]

This isn't Cap. This is Ultimates Captain America. But the question I have is why does this version of Captain America have Impervious? He is not indestructible. If that was Willpower, I think it might have made me a happy Cap fan. But no, it just couldn't be right. Toughness even, I could take. But it's as hard to damage him as the Hulk or Superman. I don't think so.

[Grifter]

*shrug* to Punisher and Ghost Rider - not seeing anything amazing stat/dial wise.

However, I really dig the other chars - Spidey, and Wolverine are really nice, and of course Cap looks extraordinary in all three versions.

I also really like Doc Ock actually - he looks really playable for that price, and you get a little nice outwit, lots of EE, and SS TA in the vet - just great!

If the entire Ultimates set is this high quality (playability-wise) it could easily be regarded as the best HC set for some time to come.

[Thorgrin]

Maybe they're taking into the fact that he's hiding behind his shield for a few clicks...? *shrug*

Originally posted by ChicagoAvenger
This isn't Cap. This is Ultimates Captain America. But the question I have is why does this version of Captain America have Impervious? He is not indestructible. If that was Willpower, I think it might have made me a happy Cap fan. But no, it just couldn't be right. Toughness even, I could take. But it's as hard to damage him as the Hulk or Superman. I don't think so.

[kwsazul]

As far as Cap having Imp., I think some people forgot about the two aspects of impervious (inv + SS) Cap can avoid a hit b/c of his super soldier status AND he can take a hit because of his shield. And yeah one solid hit on his first click and he flies right past it, so its no too game breaking.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by ChicagoAvenger
This isn't Cap. This is Ultimates Captain America. But the question I have is why does this version of Captain America have Impervious? He is not indestructible. If that was Willpower, I think it might have made me a happy Cap fan. But no, it just couldn't be right. Toughness even, I could take. But it's as hard to damage him as the Hulk or Superman. I don't think so.

Impervious, sounds like cap and him using his shield to me!

[Thorgrin]

but here's the thing. While spidey/wolverine do look ok, they aren't much different than what's already out there. Doc Ock is the same. Sure, you get outwit, but at what cost? no willpower, lower movement rate, lower AV (thus forcing you to put in another SS or wildcard for the vet), lower defense, etc. EE at a short range really doesn't bother me too much. I'd rather have the super strength and take away that heavy object from a stealthed figure or from a HSS superstrengthed person (LE Supes, KC Supes, Amazo, Black Adam, etc.).

Plus CM Spidey is probably the best to date and the one from universes is also a nice compromise and playable as is. There really isn't a need yet for a dupe spidey.

Originally posted by Grifter
*shrug* to Punisher and Ghost Rider - not seeing anything amazing stat/dial wise.

However, I really dig the other chars - Spidey, and Wolverine are really nice, and of course Cap looks extraordinary in all three versions.

I also really like Doc Ock actually - he looks really playable for that price, and you get a little nice outwit, lots of EE, and SS TA in the vet - just great!

If the entire Ultimates set is this high quality (playability-wise) it could easily be regarded as the best HC set for some time to come.

[pezdork]

my take:

another duplicate spidey...willpower on the first click is cool but he plays just like the rest! still no spidey with charge, no spidey with perplex, no spidey with flight! dissappointing! black suit spidey still the only playable one!

logan part 3 this time its pretty much the same...but with lower stats! two 8 attack bcf flurry so i can miss twice and all my mock my ultimate x men team!
i thought our ultimate counterparts were supposed to be hot carp?

captian america! finally done right! i like his first click with charge and leadership. thats what caps about! great stats useful power combos hes my new flagship(begs the question why did teh screw up spidey, doc ock, wolvie and ghosty?)

ghost rider. file under fantastic four theme team material. almost a waste of plastic.

dock ock! a 61 point vet outwitter! thanks for turning doc ock into a one trick pony. youll never see anything higher than a rookie is my bet.

overall i lost alot of interest in ultimates with this info and the punisher stats. it will take ultimate thor and ironman or at least loki or baron zemo to get me back on board cus right now im very dissappointed.

jmho

[Rictor]

If Spiderman is No. 040 for Ultimates and according to LE's in the sets just means we finally will have a Peter Parker LE. That's music to my ears.

[Gimpy]

That new cap is sweet!

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
You mean like Scorpion have MoE instead of Sinister Syndicate? You mean like Spiral having MoD? Or perhaps a version of Beast not having Avengers? Or Moondragon not having Defenders?

I was under the impression this Ghost Rider was in Ultimates. If not, then what a horrible sculpt. I would have liked the classic looking GR better for a sculpt..


Scorpian was on MoE so that's correct...sure he was also on Sinister Syndicate (I think).
Yep, Beast should have gotten Avengers at least once.
Moondragon would have been nice with Spidey TA since she was not only on defenders butn also very often with the Avengers.
Spiral has MoD to represent her various magical powers.

There's no GR in the Ultimate Universe I believe.

The one they made was Dan Ketch the 2nd Ghost Rider (but also the most famous!)...

well...I said it all.

[thedon09]

Love the new Cap, as does everybody else. Ghost Rider is a little disappointing. I'm pleasantly suprised with the 4 damage, but like someone else said earlier, he should have exploit weakness to go along with that high damage. The attack value is nice, the smoke cloud is worthless, where is the regeneration? Charge and the l/c are also nice, but expected, still they could've done him a lot more accurate. He should be a little more powerful in my opinion, like 115-125 point range.
Doc Ock is disappointing, as is Wolverine. Punisher is decent, and Spiderman is too. Of course, I'm tired of seeing the same dial for Spiderman over and over and over and over...........

[Po Po]

What's up with people complaining about Unleashed? There was a very large percentage of playable figures in that set, especially compared to the pantsload that was Critical Mass. Sure, the uniques were a little overpowered and tended to dominate in sealed, but if you ignore Big Barda and maybe two-face, every other figure in that set was well-designed and playable.

[herohowdy]

Cap is good but not godly like people seem to beleive. He only has a damage reducing defensive power on half his dial. Plus if he gets hit for 3 damage at the start those impervious clicks are passed right by and into lame combat reflexes. His to hits are good, but only does 2 damage aside from that first click which he won't be on for long, due to his charging into the enemy. So while cool he does suffer from a glass jaw.:knockedou He reminds me of the 160 point electra, potentiallly lethal, potentially a pasty smear.

[Horseman5]

Ditto. Smoke cloud makes no sense. Psychic blast and exploit weakness both perfectly represent Ghost Rider's penance stare.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Smoke may be flying around him, but GR is not doing that willfully...it just happens.

Same qualm with Punisher. Should be EE early on his dial and B/C/F later, but Smoke Cloud...no way.

We need split abilities to truly depict some of these characters.

[PMMJ]

Huh. What's the point of all those huge attack values with all those low defenses out there.

[daedalus25]

Originally posted by Manchine
Impervious, sounds like cap and him using his shield to me!

Cap using his shield would be Super Senses not Impervious. He either stops the damage or he gets hit hard. The way it's set up right now, if he were surrounded by gun-toting thugs (even the 2 damage heavy firepower types), his shield would mystically stop ALL their bullets flawlessly.

I think this is turning out to be a great set, and I'm glad that Captain America got boosted from his previously pitiful state. But seriously, Impervious was a stupid move. If carrying a shield that has a CHANCE of blocking a projectile is all it takes to get Impervious, then they need to hand out shields to more superheroes. If they wanted to simulate it having a chance to completely block incoming damage, they should have gone with Super Senses. That's the best power out there to represent it.

But hey, they wanted to make the Cap-fans happy, so they gave them Superman in disguise. Maybe that means the next Batman will have Impervious too. After all, I'm sure he's got a few gadgets that can deflect attacks.

But hey maybe I'm a little jealous too. I thought they were trying to bring the two universes together, allowing mixing in open tournaments and all. But while a good (or even top 10) fighter in DC gets a 9 attack, Marvel is still dishing out 12's. *sigh*. Ah well, I'm glad you guys got the Captain America you were looking for. ;)

[zeppelined]

I was thinking a few clicks of Poison would be good for the penance stare. But Psychic Blast would be good too. Yet another boring dial, they could have made GR really cool.
Oh well, at least we finally got those Spider-Man and Wolverine figs we've been waiting for. Blegh. I've bought half a case of every Marvel expansion so far. Wizkids is losing me. I might buy a few packs of Ultimates, if that.

[Thunderbolts]

Originally posted by Po Po
What's up with people complaining about Unleashed?

I've only noticed one extremely vocal individual saying anything bad about Unleashed, just about everyone else shares in the vision that it was 'really good.'

[tyroclix]

I think this is turning out to be a great set, and I'm glad that Captain America got boosted from his previously pitiful state. But seriously, Impervious was a stupid move. If carrying a shield that has a CHANCE of blocking a projectile is all it takes to get Impervious, then they need to hand out shields to more superheroes.

I know you'll never change your mind - but for those who still don't get it:

ES/D is for ranged attacks only. It doesn't help in Close-Combat. And I can see why Super-Senses could have been in place instead. Although Cap uses his shield to absorb the damage and not dodge the attack.

If you blasted him with web shooters or coated him in glue (Incapacitate)- shield or no shield, he couldn't stop it. But Hulk throwing a punch - the shield will absorb the blow and prevent Cap from turning into pulp.

[tyroclix]

But Psychic Blast would be good too.

I've seen a lot of people complaining that Ghost Rider doesn't have Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness. Why?

I think they gave him the 3 / 4 damage to show his power. Doing that much means he can hurt every figure in the game. And when it goes down to 2 damage, he picks up Incapacitate - so he is still consistently dangerous.

If he had PB or EW, he'd probably only get a 2 damage - which would be useless against Galactus and not add up to a whole heckuva lot versus other figs. Dormammu has Psychic Blast and he tops out at 3 damage.

Now, he can hurt Superman, Hulk, Thor and really clobber figures not on that power scale.

And it can't be outwitted. Personally, I think he is better off as is.

[SusanoOrabatos]

I must say I like the most of these new figures. What I actually take issue with is how some people are ragging on the original IC Captain America. To be honest, I thought he was near perfect in all versions. The only problem with Cap was that when compared to other normal human-types who aren't using high-powered tech or magic (say Batman as opposed to Iron Man or Mandarin) he seems to be underpowered. The problem is not that Cap was underpowered but that the others (Batman, Nightwing, etc) were overpowered. Notice how there are two versions of normal Batman (HT Unique and HT Vet) are the same or more than the Ultimate Cap (both actually outlive this Cap yet I have hard time conceiving of either standing a chance against the Hulk in a fist fight).

The new and old Cap's perfectly illustrate the difference's between the two. THe Ultimate version is clearly Superhuman (unlike the original) but is a little more rash and is more willing to take risks (for good or bad) whereas the original Cap is the consummate team leader and therefore has the endless fountain of leadership.

[Quade]

real bad ghost rider IMO...missed a lot

[sol]

Originally posted by tyroclix
I know you'll never change your mind - but for those who still don't get it:

ES/D is for ranged attacks only. It doesn't help in Close-Combat. And I can see why Super-Senses could have been in place instead. Although Cap uses his shield to absorb the damage and not dodge the attack.

If you blasted him with web shooters or coated him in glue (Incapacitate)- shield or no shield, he couldn't stop it. But Hulk throwing a punch - the shield will absorb the blow and prevent Cap from turning into pulp.

It's just you that 'don't get it'.First off, Impervious doesn't stop Inacapitate, so that whole analogy is bunk if you're saying he shouldn't have Impervious. 17 with ES/D let's Cap be what he is: very hard to hit.

Impervious works better than SS for the shield because he can always stop some damage with it.

Now granted, it wasn't my first choice for those clicks (i'da gave him Willpower following ES/D), but i think they did a fine job with him...he's good, but certainly not game-breaking.

[secretwarrior]

Originally posted by tyroclix
I've seen a lot of people complaining that Ghost Rider doesn't have Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness. Why?

Now, he can hurt Superman, Hulk, Thor and really clobber figures not on that power scale.

And it can't be outwitted. Personally, I think he is better off as is.


I was thinking the exact same! Kudos to you sir! GR is a monster for 93 points and I'm sure we'll see one with EW later on (you know, the same one that'll have a Midnight Sons TA...please oh please oh please)

Cap's impervious is also cool. I mean the guy NEVER gets hit with anything lethal because of his shield. Impervious gives him supersenses, plus adds in some toughness of the super soldier serum, coupled wit his great athleticism.

Super shield+Athleticism+Toughness+Good senses= (roughly) impervious

[clix]

Cap is a beast!!!!!!!!! Can't wait to play him and the others!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tyroclix]

I'm confused, sol.

You start off saying I don't get it, then proceed to agree with what I'm saying.

Impervious works due to the 'absorbing' nature of the Shield and Power.

ES/D works at range - but in close it's as if he no longer as the Shield - which is as much an extension of Cap as Superman's Flight. The Shield is not an object that Cap carries to utilize like Batman's Utility Belt - it is a part of the man.

And Super-Senses allows an attack to be missed entirely - which Cap doesn't always do. Many times he blocks it with the Shield - which won't protect him from Incapacitate style attacks.

[sol]

sorry, tyroclix...it just sounded like you were using that to say he SHOULDN'T have Impervious, i even said 'if that's what you were saying' cause i wasn't 100% sure....my bad.

[Arkham]

I can't believe no one else has mentioned it...
But Ghost Rider without a single version on
the Defenders?!?!?!

(sigh) I guess us Defenders/JSA fans are getting
used to this uncomfortable feeling in the backside...

[sol]

Originally posted by Arkham
I can't believe no one else has mentioned it...
But Ghost Rider without a single version on
the Defenders?!?!?!

(sigh) I guess us Defenders/JSA fans are getting
used to this uncomfortable feeling in the backside...

The sculpt is the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider, and I don't remember either being a Defender.

The original Ghost Rider was a member of the Champions of Los Angeles.

[chowdah]

the smoke cloud on GR isnt what bothers me...its a cheap power...i will neverhave him use it but someone might, whatever

what mainly irks me is no regeneration...he can friggen reconsitute himself from ASHES OR LESS instantly, and we don't get even a single click of regen???? anyone who has ever read the only marvel character info books would know that GR was ranked amonst one of the most durable characters in the the marvel universe.

other than that though he is a good peice...4 damage with 12 move (6 charge) is nice...too bad charge and L/C can be at the same time =(

[chowdah]

okay 1 more thing about the REV of GR...if REV follows his "history" like most other REVs do (the ones that do represent chartacer changes) then why does his E have a activation click??? During the middle of his series he was perma-ghost rider for quite a long time =(

[bladestalker]

cap rocks.
but
why no stealth for wolvie?

[impulse1121]

everyone looked good, but am I the only one who was hoping spiderman would have a flight base to simulate him webb slinging???? oh well cant win them all I suppose!!!good job wizkids!

[littlebigguy]

The new Cap is awesome. Charge out of hindering terrain without a penalty. Hit stealthed targets hiding in the shadows. Will definatly be on a majority of my teams.

[Mjolnir]

just a few comments:
1) This is an impressive Captain America. The problem is now it's harder to fit him on a team..... he's almost the centerpiece or 2ndary attacker now. That's not bad, just that I like being able to have a lot of heroes on my teams. if I only want one hero with a little support Ultimate Superman is the last word on that(right now, power creep is around the corner)
2) If this is the updated Captain America...... I wonder what the updated Batman will be like? (just to stoke the fanboy fires a bit) ;)
3)Even though he came from the messed up Hypertime set(not to be confused with the ultimately eXtreemely messed up Infinity Challenge set) E Batman could still give him a run for his money..... more if the die rolls favor the Bat. ;)

[hourman]

Cap rules. I don't like the Punisher as a character but his dial is ok. I'm dissapointed with Ghost Rider. I understand that this is the Ultimate GR, but it would have been nice to have a version of him with the FF team. I would prefer to have new figures rather than rehashes of previous ones with perfectly good dials (Doc Ock, Spiderman, myriad version of Wolverine). Cap definitely needed an upgrade so I'm not to bothered by that.

Btw, I find Unleashed to be a very good playable set. Even the generic figs are very playable. Gotham Undercover is my new favorite. He's awesome for his points.

[sol]

Originally posted by hourman
I'm dissapointed with Ghost Rider. I understand that this is the Ultimate GR, but it would have been nice to have a version of him with the FF team.

this isn't Ultimate Ghost Rider...Ghost Rider hasn't been introduced in Ultimate Marvel.

[Ed0825]

Originally posted by Rictor
If Spiderman is No. 040 for Ultimates and according to LE's in the sets just means we finally will have a Peter Parker LE. That's music to my ears.

Actually it doesn't anymore. Starting with Unleashed, they started to make LE's of some of the Higher level more desirable figures (a matter of opinion of course). Unleased does not contain LE's of the first 20 figures, so who knows about a Peter Parker LE.

[PantherPriest]

This doesn't ####.

I don't see anything wrong with anybody. I am tired of seeing spider-man with superstrength before incapacitate. As cool as spidey with ss is, it isn't nearly important for the fig as incap is.

[PantherPriest]

Wow they censor suk now, what is this world coming to.

[JacinB]

Originally posted by hourman
I understand that this is the Ultimate GR ...

For the last time:
THERE IS NO FRIGGIN' ULTIMATE GHOST RIDER!

He's not in the Ultimate comics. He's never been in the Ultimate comics. Hopefully, he'll never be in the Ultimate comics.

This is the 'new' Ghost Rider that appeared in comics in the early 90's. That doesn't make him an 'Ultimate' character.

The only things that this Ghost Rider has that even remotely associate him with the Ultimate comics are that a) He and the Ultimate comics are both made by Marvel, and b) he appears in a HeroClix expansion called 'Ultimates'.

Alright? Are we clear now? Is there anyone out there still confused?!

Alright, thank you.

And sorry for the outburst, but I'm getting really frustrated with people not 'getting' what's been posted a half-billion times already ...

[TheLion]

Originally posted by Mjolnir
just a few comments:
1) This is an impressive Captain America. The problem is now it's harder to fit him on a team..... he's almost the centerpiece or 2ndary attacker now. That's not bad, just that I like being able to have a lot of heroes on my teams. if I only want one hero with a little support Ultimate Superman is the last word on that(right now, power creep is around the corner)

This version of Cap is meant to be a frontliner, not the support piece that the IC Cap is.

Originally posted by Mjolnir
2) If this is the updated Captain America...... I wonder what the updated Batman will be like? (just to stoke the fanboy fires a bit) ;)

They have already made 3 alternate timeline Batman figures. One was even designed by Jeff Grubb. I don't think Batman fans should be complaining. :)

Originally posted by Mjolnir
3)Even though he came from the messed up Hypertime set(not to be confused with the ultimately eXtreemely messed up Infinity Challenge set) E Batman could still give him a run for his money..... more if the die rolls favor the Bat. ;)

I don't consider the IC Captain America or the Hypertime Batman messed up.

The game has shifted since the original sets came out. Back "in the beginning" 100-300 point builds were the design benchmark (even though there was some high priced figures in the original sets). Now with the later sets, the 400-600 point levels are being emphasized more. However, we are still getting figures that work well in the 100-300 games.

IC Cap is a good support piece (especially the veteran) for 200-400 point games. He's not designed as a front liner. Ultimate Cap is the front liner piece, the figure to build an army around.

Personally, I don't like the Ultimate Cap and I won't get the figure, but Jeff Grubb did a great job capturing that character. Hopefully we get some decent regular Universe figures in this set, too, besides Ghost Rider and Punisher (a Swordsman, Photon or Black Knight would be nice :cool: )

[JacinB]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
Wow they censor suk now, what is this world coming to.

Yes, but ironically enough, all of these still are acceptable:
1) sucks
2) sucked
3) sucky
4) suckest
5) sucker

[Thorgrin]

Spiral has MoD to represent her various magical powers.. Yes, makes perfect sense. So why doesn't Dr. Fate have Legionnaire and Dr. Strange have spidey then???

I'll take back the GR in Ultimates then.. No problem. Can't say that I follow the Ultimates all that well, but why not spidey then? I know he's in the ultimates comic.

I can see why Wolverine needs the Ultimate X-Men TA... His AV blows. Again, I say that Logan is a more viable option on the flurry/bcf range, the unique wolverine w/the 12 av is a better overall option, and the regular x-men versions are good so that he can offload damage to/from someone in order to get into his regen mode.

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
Scorpian was on MoE so that's correct...sure he was also on Sinister Syndicate (I think).
Yep, Beast should have gotten Avengers at least once.
Moondragon would have been nice with Spidey TA since she was not only on defenders butn also very often with the Avengers.
Spiral has MoD to represent her various magical powers.

There's no GR in the Ultimate Universe I believe.

The one they made was Dan Ketch the 2nd Ghost Rider (but also the most famous!)...

well...I said it all.

[sol]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
Spiral has MoD to represent her various magical powers.. Yes, makes perfect sense. So why doesn't Dr. Fate have Legionnaire and Dr. Strange have spidey then???


Spiral has Doom TA because of the many groups she's been in...which is a semi quote from her playtip (back when they did those) written by Jon 'let's not give em any team ability' L. Not because of her magic powers...she would be a 100 point or more figure if she was doing everything she CAN do.

[Thorgrin]

Oh, I agree, but with that token, though, there are a lot of figures that have worked in many groups. Beast would actually be a good candidate to be Spidey due to his affiliation with him, Defenders, and Avengers.

Still, so far, I'm not particularly impressed. Maybe Wednesday (either tomorrow or the next Wed's preview) will convince me otherwise, but so far, it seems to be this set is for the Ultimate fanboys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just isn't what I personally want and actually it's converting me over to the side of DC as being the better portion of HC.

Originally posted by sol
Spiral has Doom TA because of the many groups she's been in...which is a semi quote from her playtip (back when they did those) written by Jon 'let's not give em any team ability' L. Not because of her magic powers...she would be a 100 point or more figure if she was doing everything she CAN do.

[eshuroger]

I never read this version of Ghost Rider, but back in the 80s, when I read Ghost Rider, I'd have simulated his hellfire with Psychic Blast. Burns the soul and pretty much ignores all defenses.

Remarkable that they ignored the most popular request for Cap, to give him Willpower, but most people seem happy anyway, so that's cool. Too bad he can't be played in an all Avengers team.

Don't know about Doc Ock. Outwit makes him a target, and everything else makes him an easily obtainable target. I thought ES/D would make sense, since they're not using that slot for Willpower, or anything else.

Spider-Man. They really seem dead-set against that 18 Defense with SS that all the fans seem to want. Until that happens, there will always be unhappy Spider-Man fans. Seems useable enough, though.

Punisher. You know, I didn't think of Smoke Cloud as one of the Punisher's signature powers. I'd have guessed Incap for his 'mercy bullets' (more recent Punisher fans may have to seek out his earliest appearances to know what I'm talking about) or Energy Explosion. He still looks pretty decent for all that.

[Silver Lantern]

The only thing that would have made cap sweeter is if the R had Avengers TA, to give us more options for theme teams.

Don't know if anyone else noticed this yet, but since Spidey is so low in the set, that means we're probably getting a Peter Parker LE.

I agree with many that Doc Ok and Wolverine leave a little something to be desired. Ghost rider is ok, but those activation clicks are like a kick in the nuts if you ask me. I just can't stand them.

[secretwarrior]

I almost never complain about clix, and I would think that these new Ultimates previews would be hard to complain against. Still, most seem to really hate them.


I don't like Ultimates (the comics), but still, the different power combos rock.

Spidey with willpower?cool
Cap with Impervious? As I said in some other thread (or was it this one?) all his toughness, shield, and athleticism would warrant IMP.
Ghost rider..."boo hoo, he should have EW!" Gimme a freakin break! Your not happy with 4 Dam (w/nothing to outwit), 12 Charge and an 11 attack? get a life :)
Wolverine's ok... good attack, plus somethig new in supersenses. No EW? So what? he's gonna be IN EVERY SET! We'll get one eventually with EW
Doc ock is kinda a let down, only for the fact that Clobber time doc has so much more goin for him

After not convincing my friends to get a case of Unleashed, I think getting a case of Ultimates will make up for it

[Manchine]

Originally posted by secretwarrior
I almost never complain about clix, and I would think that these new Ultimates previews would be hard to complain against. Still, most seem to really hate them.


Thats odd since most people are complimenting the Ultimate Previews. Most seem to like them except for 1 figure.

[SpiderMax]

I need Captain America right freakin' now.

[secretwarrior]

Originally posted by Manchine
Thats odd since most people are complimenting the Ultimate Previews. Most seem to like them except for 1 figure.


Well, I'm just tired of seeing people say they're good EXCEPT... then really get heated up because GR doesn't have Regen, ets...

[SPLITSECOND]

Yes!!! Finally...Captain America has come! I must have one...as soon as possible!