Ultimates Sneak Peek - Phoenix

[Draddog]

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<TR><TD COLSPAN="3" ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="1"><B> Phoenix</B></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 093</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 86</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> X-Men</TD></TR></TABLE>
<P><B>Playtip/Game Designer Note:</B>
<BR>The Rachel Summers Phoenix is a powerful front-line fighter. She starts with 10 speed, 11 attack with Pulse Wave, 16 defense with Super Senses, 3 damage with Ranged Combat Expert, and 6 range with two targets. She gains Psychic Blast on her second click and keeps it for four clicks. She also has a bit of Telekinesis and Energy Shield/Deflection near the end of her dial. Her mix of powers offers her some nice options for dealing damage, and she keeps a decent level of defense throughout, so she should be useful all the way through the game.<P><B>Game Design:</B> Jon Leitheusser<BR><B>Sculptor:</B> David Studer<BR><B>Painter:</B> Kim Goddard

[MeatLoafX]

cool! not as many points as I would have imagined, but sounds useful (and looks cool!)

[AlgertMan]

OH SNAP!

[drgnoftyr]

awesome sculpt wow

[crownroyal578]

Very nice sculpt. Too bad that her powers won't be accurate at that point cost.....

[kitch23uk]

Not at all what I was expecting but rather nice!

[hourman]

OMG. Awesome

[Lobot]

Pretty cool!!!!

[BudPalmer]

My Excalibur team will be a reality soon! Hey Wizkids, Please make Captain Britan and Megan! DO IT!

[Puuka]

Ooooooohhhhh... Pretty

I need her

[thugit]

Nice...

86 points for a figure with an 11 attack and a 5 damage RCE attack?

I'm glad they got rid of Firelord....;)

[weaponxtreme]

cool hope she has a good dial

[Eric Rage]

NICE!

That appears to be a very nifty piece for a tidy 86 points. Cool, original sculpt, too.

Nice way to kick off the previews, WK.

[Puuka]

and only 1 point more than her "Mother"

[HBK]

Well she'll definitely see more play than the original Pheonix.

[rotru]

6 range? Hmm...

I can't say no to that sculpt, and the powers and stats sound good. I still have to wonder why she and Dr. Fate got a 6 range, though.

I'm still excited!

[Kaitouace]

Hope that fits in a tacklebox.

[Yong]

hatchee matchee, great lookin' fig!

what an imposing sculpt for a moderately strong character... THIS is what the phoenix unqiue shoulda looked like

[thugit]

"Kim Goddard"?


Is that our Draddog's better half?

[XocgX]

I just hope either her dial is super short, or she doesn't have a super drop in defense a la Firelord.....

[Thorgrin]

Wow, how unimpressive. Rehash of Phoenix. Not Dark Phoenix. *yawn*

[dernjg]

Hmmm. Six range is hard to go for, but the super senses and pulse wave might make it nice.
Wonder when the Dark Phoenix will come out.

[Wolvie's Bub]

:laugh: :laugh: WOW!!!:laugh: :cool:

Wolvie's Bub

[impulse1121]

sweet....now on too the other two members of the old excaliber team..........ahem..........ok wk......any time now:) :) ;) ;)

[dj_sha]

Sounds extremely good and probably undercosted, but her mere 6 range makes up for that. So are Wizkids going back to the Wednesday preview schedule?

[Puuka]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
Hope that fits in a tacklebox.

Maybe can sit in the "Other" box with Sauron

[Basil Elks]

Great googly moogly that looks sweet!

[Manchine]

Good Sclupt, good figure, and pretty accurate. Good all around.

On a second note. Also as with the Marvel Klix! The first preview is usually a Female and a Unique to boot.

[Eric Rage]

Originally posted by dernjg
Hmmm. Six range is hard to go for, but the super senses and pulse wave might make it nice.
Wonder when the Dark Phoenix will come out.

I'm cool w/the six range. I like that there's a tradeoff to most of these figures. That's where strategy comes into play. In fact, after seeing the Ultimate Captain America and Punisher previews, I was worried these guys were going to be too powerful.
You can get a plethora of nasty powers, but you'll have to move her into harm's way to use them. If she had an 8-10 range, she'd get a ton of play just sitting in the corner w/Psylocke on one side of her and a Hydra member on the other just dishing out 5 clicks of damage every turn.

[AlgertMan]

she has half the range of the other pheonix, so that probably gave them enough points to play with, so her stats dont drop like a rock

[dino1626]

OMG,nice sculpt.I am impressed.

[WarHULK]

Very impressive. I was doubting how good she would be for 86 points but her first click is killer. Sculpt is very neat as well. Color me impressed with this one. The only thing that's at all bothersome is the 6 range, but, I understand giving a short range so she can be cost effective as well. She's probably this set's Adam Warlock...

[AlgertMan]

plus, she has pulse wave, my favorite power, so i'll use her at least once

[Mr Deadpool]

God I hope they mean 1 damage with RCE making it 3 not 3 with RCE to make it 5 . . . that'd be like the whole FIRELORD fiasco . . .

But the sculpt is SWEET!

Enjoy!

[sinistersex]

just curious, i dont follow DC clix as well as i should...but are there any figures that should have been big, powerful figures but were toned down for whatever reason in DC? here we have Phoenix, and before we had Adam Warlock, and possibly Surfer.

I'm not complaining, i just wanted to see if this happens in DC. Phoenix tho, at this cost, is an incredible piece that should see alot of playtime.

[CaptainDamon]

Wow. Almost as sweet as a ninja. I'd like to see a more powerful Phoenix, but oh well. This must be the Excalibur version.

[Thorgrin]

Why? First off, Firelord has a longer range (8), better defense (+2), probably longer dial (by 1 or 2 clicks), for about the same price. I'd rather have Firelord..

Originally posted by Mr Deadpool
God I hope they mean 1 damage with RCE making it 3 not 3 with RCE to make it 5 . . . that'd be like the whole FIRELORD fiasco . . .

But the sculpt is SWEET!

Enjoy!

[skforeman]

i think she looks awesome, but am curious about the 1st click Super Senses - think that ES/D would be a better fit. LOVE the sculpt. can't wait to see what they do with Dark Phoenix now...

[Manchine]

Originally posted by sinistersex
just curious, i dont follow DC clix as well as i should...but are there any figures that should have been big, powerful figures but were toned down for whatever reason in DC? here we have Phoenix, and before we had Adam Warlock, and possibly Surfer.

I'm not complaining, i just wanted to see if this happens in DC. Phoenix tho, at this cost, is an incredible piece that should see alot of playtime.

This is the Phoenix from Xcaliber. For 90% of her career she wasnt super powerful and would fall into the less then 100 point bracket!

[Eric Rage]

Originally posted by skforeman
i think she looks awesome, but am curious about the 1st click Super Senses - think that ES/D would be a better fit. LOVE the sculpt. can't wait to see what they do with Dark Phoenix now...

Giving her a 16 DV w/Deflection would be a huge step toward making her Firelord II.

It's either kinda funny or really sad that people complained about how cheesy and overpowered Firelord was, and now they're suggesting that this Phoenix is underpowered b/c she doesn't have FL's range, Deflection, etc.

[Yeti]

YAYYYYYYYY, X-MEN make me Happy!!!!

Seriously Rachael looks like a very cool figure that will give the X-Men something they didn't have before, PW, and PB too! 6 Range is not all that hard to work with, especially with the ability to shirk the damage completely. Plus I think the smaller ranges work much better with PW than longer one, much easier to work with.

[Psylockeslover]

Color me happy!:cool:

Now we just need Cable and Havok to finish off mutantkinds #1 family (at least the important ones...)

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Eric Rage
Giving her a 16 DV w/Deflection would be a huge step toward making her Firelord II.

It's either kinda funny or really sad that people complained about how cheesy and overpowered Firelord was, and now they're suggesting that this Phoenix is underpowered b/c she doesn't have FL's range, Deflection, etc.

Firelord is isnt anything under the new rules? Thats like saying under before the rule of 3. Sentinal could use the hooker. Could, did, doesnt happen any more.

[Robert H]

WOW.......................Best sculpt EVER!!!!


Does she have the X-men TA?

[clixer11]

Originally posted by sinistersex
just curious, i dont follow DC clix as well as i should...but are there any figures that should have been big, powerful figures but were toned down for whatever reason in DC? here we have Phoenix, and before we had Adam Warlock, and possibly Surfer.

I'm not complaining, i just wanted to see if this happens in DC. Phoenix tho, at this cost, is an incredible piece that should see alot of playtime.

REV Superman (well, the v is expensive, and capable dial, but waaay too many points for that dial)

Darkseid

Deathstroke


I am very curious to see what Phoenix 2's entire dial looks like for 86 points :noid:

[CaptainMarvel]

Now That's ONE BAD ### Sculpt!


I mean It's Totally Sweet!

[grey_zealot]

Reminds me of Brazil (the country) or Las Vegas.

[Robert H]

Sorry, I missed that whole line where it says: Team: X-Men

my bad

[IronManI]

Originally posted by grey_zealot
Reminds me of Brazil (the country) or Las Vegas.
"Rachel Summers uses her "special" Mardi Gras special attack! Your incapacitated now!"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[krusticlese]

Cool sculpt.

But a cool sculpt doesn't make the figure playable. :( She'll see good use in home scenarios, but for tournament play, I just can't justify the cost.

oh well, there's still 11 other uniques to go:)

[deathsythe]

The fig is beautiful. I like what someone said earlier about there being a trade off. A larger range would have made her cost more and also make her more powerful, this helps keep things toned down a little. Great addition to my X-Men team, now I need some good additions to my Avengers team.

[EvilGenius]

Originally posted by sinistersex
just curious, i dont follow DC clix as well as i should...but are there any figures that should have been big, powerful figures but were toned down for whatever reason in DC? here we have Phoenix, and before we had Adam Warlock, and possibly Surfer.

Sweet Monkey Jesus, yes! :grin: :grin:

Let's see, REV Superman, Darkseid (in some people's opinion), U Batgirl (!!!!!!), and a few others. :)

But overall, no biggie, really.

As for Phoenix, this is "Rachel" Summers, not Jean Gray as Phoenix. Rachel was displaced from a future reality and is Jean and Scott's ... I want to say ... daughter? I forget exactly (and you can never rule out the future clone or impersonating alien in Marvel;) )

Rachel was cool and pretty powerful, but NOT "Phoenix - Eater of Worlds" powerful. Nowhere NEAR that level of power (until some goofy stuff at the end of her normal run). The stats and powers seem to be a fairly good representation of her, actually.

Who knows, we may even get a nice big Dark Phoenix in an upcoming set? :)

[krusticlese]

she should easily have been as many points as Nova.

the 6 range is what kills her. Out wit supersenses and blast away from 8 or 10 squares.

Magneto would eat her up. :)

[The Charlatan]

The sculpt is a little over the top for my tastes, and 6 range is bummer but I won't make any final judgements until I see her dial in full. Having her mom TK her into PW range my be an interesting theme team strategy.

[Red Gambit]

Wow, guys, this is a UNIQUE. This is whatcha' want.
GOOD job designers.

[skeevo666]

Holey Schmactoley!!

The sculpt looks even better at the WizKids site (you can rotate it 360!)

:) :cool: :)

[krusticlese]

And then you hand your opponent the 86 points you sacrificed to get her within 3 squares of an enemy.

She'll top out at 7 clicks of life, Max.

[EvilGenius]

Originally posted by krusticlese
Cool sculpt.

But a cool sculpt doesn't make the figure playable. :( She'll see good use in home scenarios, but for tournament play, I just can't justify the cost.

oh well, there's still 11 other uniques to go:)

Ummm, seriously? Did you read this part, dude? ;) :p

The Rachel Summers Phoenix is a powerful front-line fighter. She starts with 10 speed, 11 attack with Pulse Wave, 16 defense with Super Senses, 3 damage with Ranged Combat Expert, and 6 range with two targets.

Sooo, let's see. 86 points. 11 AV, 3 damage + RCE = 5 damage. 6 range. 16D with SuperSenses. Oh yeah, and PulseWave. :)

And as a flyer, she can continue to use RCE even when based (under the new rules, she can even use RCE while shooting out of adjacentcy).

I repeat. 11AV, 5 damage, 86 points. What the heck do YOU use for tournaments? Galactus??? :p :p :laugh:

(I'm not being an arse Krusty, just ribbing you)

[The Charlatan]

Originally posted by EvilGenius
Rachel was displaced from a future reality and is Jean and Scott's ... I want to say ... daughter?

Well, she's not their son, so yes, I'd have to say daughter.

I forget exactly (and you can never rule out the future clone or impersonating alien in Marvel;) )

She's from an alternate future timeline, the 'Days of Future Past' furture where the Sentinals have taken over America and killed/hunted down/imprisoned all the superhumans. IIRC, her mother is actually the Phoenix, not Jean Grey, in her reality Dark Phoenix was cured of her madness instead of commiting suicide. But maybe I'm wrong, Claremont was probably already insane by the time he created her ..... :rolleyes:

[EvilGenius]

Originally posted by krusticlese
And then you hand your opponent the 86 points you sacrificed to get her within 3 squares of an enemy.

She'll top out at 7 clicks of life, Max.

So you're saying that you can't think of any tactical situations where you would find an 86 point, 11AV, 5 damage figure strategically worthwhile?

Seriously, are you having a bad day at work or something? LOL!!! :laugh: :p

[wonderboy]

I had a feeling we would get some Pulsewave figs in Ultimates. Due to the Retirement of many PW figures in IC. This one looks pretty bad ###. The only weakness is her range. But still great sculpt and great stats!

[Maniac_nmt]

6 range is appropriate for her though. Represents how often she'd swat things, or punch with the phoenix aura. She could do long range stuff, but mostly fought at shorter range.

She also wasn't super powerful as she kept part of the force dormant. It used to mess with her memories. In fact for a while I remember her turning off the phoenix force so her mind could heal. Then in excalibur 50 is where she stepped it up to fight Necron. Of course, she was still clumsy with the power, throwing asteroids or moons while he was throwing planetoids.

It looks nice, but I think a yellow, or orange tinted clear plastic bird might have been better.

[tyroclix]

Very nice. And sounds pretty accurate - surprised by the high-attack, though. Especially since her mom topped out at a 9.

She is like the X-men's Moondragon - not a bad thing at all. Coulda worked in a little regen - she did use her TK to hold her parts together after Wolvie chopped her up - but I'm really happy with this fig.

I've got a feeling this will be the best Marvel set to date.

[CaptainMarvel]

Think of this way. Most of us are going to have one or two perplexers on our team anyway. You can perplex her Range up two and not have to worry about her lacking in other areas.

Great attack and great Damage, you aren't loosing any thing by perplexing her range due to the fact that her stats are so good.

[LabRat]

Originally posted by tyroclix

I've got a feeling this will be the best Marvel set to date.

It's too early to say this, but I feel the same way :D

Hope that we won't get surprised (in an Iron Man sort of way) once we've had a look at Phoenix's full dial...

[1164]

I see Wizkids is still gonna use those ####py flight stands with the split peg holder for the figure, all those new larger phoenix's are gonna end up breaking split stand holders...thank you Wizkids for continuing to deliver excellent figs on poorly designed flight stands courtesy of your overpaid undereducated game designers.

[Captain_Comet]

HOLY SWEET DELICIOUS SURPRISE!

[Frontman]

Sweet figure, sounds like some sweet powers.

The Frontman

[Diablo4485]

Whoa! I was expecting WizKids to take a break from the previews after the huge one on Monday. Glad I was wrong. I pretty much agree with everyone's sentiments on her play-wise: most likely a shorter dial, and 6 range is her only real liability, but there are ways to get around it and make her useful. Hope I can pull one of her! I was a tad disappointed that the sculpt wasn't transparent orange like Nova's (and like they said Ghost Rider's would be a ways back...), but it looks sweet nontheless. Makes me want June to be here that much more.

[EmperorShotz]

OMG OMG OMG

I have to get a case now...

NO...

TWO CASES...

I need a Rachel Summers...

[Thunderbolts]

Pretty sweet. Certainly more oomph to this Phoenix (nah, sorry the last one was just 'so what'). What would have been really neat though was the phoenix flame part being transparent like someone said Ghost Rider's wheels will be (was it a WK rep or just speculation?). Like the Solonavi guys in Mage Knight or Nova, Green Lantern, Killer Frost etc.

tb - hoping the Phoenix would have been Zemo, who also used that name.

:)

[four_winds]

More X-Men!!! Best thing about the sculpt is they added the Hound Tattoos to her face.

[rubinpdf]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems to be a slap in the face of Excalibur to make her a member of team X-Men. At least while I collected the comic, they did their best to avoid being classified as just another X-Men title/group. So Excalibur really should have had a team of it's own.

But if Wizkids has WHO (Weird Happenings Organisation) generic(s) with either Alistaire or Alysande Stuart as LEs, I guess I may be willing to forgive them.

[neal]

(Pssst) Let's get rid of firelord. Then we make phirelord light.

I hate mid dial Tk.

Cool sculpt all the way though!!

[Logan185]

DAYUM!!!!!

[Sriad]

Schweet.

Other Figures that could conceivably be used in an Excalibur team:
Nightcrawler (duh;) )
Shadowcat
Colossus
Wolfsbane
And, uh, Dr. Doom? (could happen! They teamed up for a couple issues...) Maybe pretend Jane Foster is really Moria McTaggert?


But yea, a Cap. Britain REV would be nice.

[miridor]

WOW, this was unexpected, well at least by me...

[Iknor]

I must admit...nice fig and I'm looking forward to seeing the full dial.
BRING ON THE ULTIMATES!!!

[callidusx3]

The TA for her is X-men, not Ultimate X-men correct?

[Kaitouace]

Correct.

[delowen]

:grin: She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine.

(Heh, I have to agree with the others who have said that we REALLY need Captain Britain and Megan now.)

[grey_zealot]

Originally posted by IronManI
"Rachel Summers uses her "special" Mardi Gras special attack! Your incapacitated now!"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

She does look like a Mardi Gras "Bird of Paradise.";)

I wonder if and what a Rachel Summers LE will be like.

[DreadDormammu]

I appreciate them trying a sculpt like this, but it didn't quite make it for me. I think the Rachel portion is good, but would have been better without the fire bird.

I'm glad Rachel made the set!

[coyotejack]

I like it....I like it alot. And here I was all partial to Nova's sculpt and they throw this one out there.

I think she'll be very playable. I'd be more than willing to try her out for sure!

[FireLFighter]

Super cool sculpt - no doubt!

But not a fig I would likely play.
Short range with no movement ability is nothing for me.

[Marlow]

Sculpt is nice,
but should have been that see-through plastic for the bird.

Marlow.

[drgnoftyr]

i am buying the entire set premade i have had it with buying booster's :mad: :devious:

[the_poet]

I wet 'em.

[raging_madboy]

I was thinkning, she can't be on a team with " mom" can she? I mean aren't they both uniques with the same name?

Or does that rule only apply to figures from the same set?

[Ultimate_X-Men]

Wow, nice sculpture. You have a Firelord with range 6. She has some clicks of telekinesis and psychic blast. Nice!

[broman10]

Originally posted by raging_madboy
I was thinkning, she can't be on a team with " mom" can she? I mean aren't they both uniques with the same name?

Or does that rule only apply to figures from the same set?

Only uniques with the same set and number can't be used together.

Sweet Lord YES!!!!

1 more down, two to go for Excalibur. I'd have liked her to have a longer range with less damage since she shouldn't be able to hit HtH for more than 2.

Anyone crying that she is as broken as Firelord I have one word, Firestorm. Same cost, damage, speed, with 10" range and one less attack value. Only toughness though, no SS. And as far as I know I'm the only who ever plays him in a tournament. So let's not throw out the Firelord references yet.

[theSHOWDOWN]

seems like they might have pulled an Adam Warlock on us. She sounds super playable, but just not quite on par with the character.

Maybe the bird will be translucent. Ghost rider's fire will be see-though, so maybe Phoenix will be also.

[Mr_Clicky]

Cool!:p

[Legion-of-Doom]

Very cool. Perplex up that range and you've got nice little monster there.

Head on over to the Rumor Mill and Checkout Boneyards Rumored setlist for the Ultimates, he's always right, and it says there'll probably be a Captain Britain REV. So all the Excaliber fans (both of them, j/k) will have a nice roster to choose from. Shadowcat (The U of course, can't have Excaliber without Lockheed) Nightcrawler, Colossus, and I'm not sure, but wasn't Wolfsbane on Excaliber for a bit ?

I don't think I agree with them giving Excaliber the X-men TA though. X-factor, X-force, and the New Mutants are one thing, but I don't think Excaliber should have been lumped in with them. But she's a nice addition to my X-men team with Pulse Wave and PB, even with the range.

[aZrealmusik]

I have read several posts complaining about this click being too watered down. The Phoenix that they are thinking of was JEAN GREY. This is RACHEL SUMMERS, Cyclops' and Jean's daughter from the future. Her powers were never on par with Jean's (at least Jean w/ Phoenix Force), and in the comics she lost even more power after she came back to our time. She is younger and more inexperienced to boot. I think the dial and point cost suit her just fine. As for the Jean Grey Phoenix, yes the old Unique stunk. I, too would like to see a full-blown Dark Phoenix, even if she ends up being a ridiculous 300-pointer!! Maybe a big fig a'la Sinestro? I huge translucent phoenix with her inside? She would need a super-long dial to be really acurate anyway.
Butt enough about Phoenix, WHERE'S MY DEADPOOL?!?!?!?!

[T'Chaka]

Read up on Rachel Summers, Phoenix III, here.

http://24.188.68.181:8000/phoenixIII.html

[daedalus25]

Well I'm definitely in the minority here, so I'll start off with the good.

Total suprise! I love Rachel Summers as a character (I have every Excalibur from when she joined til her last appearance), I have the issues of Cable where she appeared, and I've recently gotten interested in her appearances as Marvel Girl. So, I'm thrilled that she finally made the set. Her powers look fantastic and all in an affordable piece. I definitely want one.

Now the bad: Maybe it's just me, but I'm not wow'd by the sculpt. Looks pretty ordinary to me. The paint job is attrocious. But then again, I'm spoiled by the DC figures, so I'm not used to accepting the "Critical Mass" level of work. The Phoenix emblem on her chest looks like someone just spilled their mustard on it.

The good FAR outweighs the bad in this case. Even moreso because I can simply repaint her when I get one. I'll agree with one of the previous posters though - the phoenix force would have looked a lot better with some translucent plastic.

But she's still one of my favorite characters, so I'll definitely be buying this set.

[xmenevolution]

uh sounds sounds good and all w/ the pulse wave and psychic blast but w/ only a six range bulls eye and some of the newer ultimates could possibly make short work of her. Still pondering when they'll make the dark phoenix

[I Am The Game]

Originally posted by Thunderbolts
What would have been really neat though was the phoenix flame part being transparent like someone said Ghost Rider's wheels will be (was it a WK rep or just speculation?). Like the Solonavi guys in Mage Knight or Nova, Green Lantern, Killer Frost etc.

The Solonavi plastic is soft and flexible. I'd much rather have that on Heroclix figs than the brittle stuff they used for Nova. She lost an arm one time, and she hasn't forgiven me since...

[Remjer]

great fig

like the sculpt and the stats sounds good, gotta wait to see the whole dial first

the 5 damage at range is just nasty

hoplefully she will not be to hard to get

[jbship628]

So, I find this ironic that Rachel Summers is joining the clix world right at the same time she is joining the pages of Xtreme X-Men. Gotta love synergy.

P.S. Yes, I know she has been in the comic for 2 months, and this set won't come out till June, but I call it close enough.

[Draggor]

Yay, more x-men. I want this piece definitely. Adds some new tricks to the x-men team. With Gambit and Beast around her range isn't too much of a problem and I prefer a short range on someone with pulsewave anyway. More chance of getting a single target in range nd easier to avoid hitting your own figures. She's got good speed to get herself into range and she can always team up with either version of her mom to TK her into range. I'll certainly use this piece a few times if I can manage to pull one.

[Drashia]

ugh... time travellers...

the fig looks good, seems quite playable. I thought she would have 8 range. Cool nonetheless.

[ace]

i think everyone forgets that rachel was an x man before joining excalibur, and all the excalibur people they have produce have all been x men.

Great fig, looks very useful, makes up for the terrible job on jean grey phoenix

[Po Po]

Definitely agree with those who are less than impressed with the sculpt. I would have preferred to see Rachel without the Phoenix effect. Still, it's good that they differentiated her somewhat from the old Phoenix, and with Marvel Girl and possibly Goblin Queen in the set too, it makes sense to give her psychic blast instead of front-load TK.

[wolfwood13]

um is that the same rachel? she was referred to as rachel grey in a book i read, but i haven't been keeping up with the x-books. if it is can someone tell how she's back and why the name change?

[Kaitouace]

Rachel Summers was lost in the timestream several years ago in order to bring the old Captain Britain (Brian Braddock) back. Basically took his place lost in the timestream. A while later Cable found her as she was captured by some villain who held her captive at the literal end of the timestream. Cable eventually beat the guy and brought Rachel back. She didn't want to be a hero or anything after her ordeal and just wanted to live a normal life so Cable promised not to tell anyone she was back and she dropped off the face of the Earth for a while (presumably to go to college).

Recently in X-Treme X-Men a mutant telepath (of sorts) named Elias Bogan who had longlasting ties to the Hellfire Club (one of its founding members I believe) was attacking to X-Treme team because he wanted to reclaim Tessa (now Sage) who was basically under his control while she was undercover in the Hellfire Club as the Black Queen. In order to help him he had another telepath he was working through so he was never personally in harm's way. It was revealed to be Rachel Summers and he apparently captured her at some point while she was incognito in order to aid his plans. The X-Treme team freed her and defeated Bogan (but it doesn't look like permanently) and Rachel stayed with the X-Treme team and ended up back in New York after the team heard of the destruction Magneto caused there.

Rachel most liked is calling herself Rachel Grey now in respect to her mother who died during the battle with Magneto. The same reason her new codename is now Marvel Girl and not Phoenix. Also possibly because Cyclops has basically been revealed to be a two-timing man-slut who was psychically cheating on Jean with the White Queen and pretty much hooked up with Emma not a day after Jean died.

[clix]

Sweet sculpt. Definately will be a piece that I use.

[Whiz Fan]

Happy with the dial info we were given.

Love the sculpt.

Worried about that figure being a huge hunk of plastic supported by a peg in one of those frail new flier stands.

[Bob_Wk]

I DIDNT SEE SMOKE CLOUD ANYWHERE IN THE PREVIEW!!!!

if she doesnt have it I'll quit heroclix.....for 2 weeks ;)

enough joking.......hopefully wizard gets ahold of this one...make it translucent and make it uberpowerful for an LE. It would be great don't ya think

[insurgo]

so someone saw the custom that the folks over in the Artisans Guild did and ganked it, eh?

[davenappy]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
Rachel Summers was lost in the timestream several years ago in order to bring the old Captain Britain (Brian Braddock) back. Basically took his place lost in the timestream. A while later Cable found her as she was captured by some villain who held her captive at the literal end of the timestream. Cable eventually beat the guy and brought Rachel back. She didn't want to be a hero or anything after her ordeal and just wanted to live a normal life so Cable promised not to tell anyone she was back and she dropped off the face of the Earth for a while (presumably to go to college).

Recently in X-Treme X-Men a mutant telepath (of sorts) named Elias Bogan who had longlasting ties to the Hellfire Club (one of its founding members I believe) was attacking to X-Treme team because he wanted to reclaim Tessa (now Sage) who was basically under his control while she was undercover in the Hellfire Club as the Black Queen. In order to help him he had another telepath he was working through so he was never personally in harm's way. It was revealed to be Rachel Summers and he apparently captured her at some point while she was incognito in order to aid his plans. The X-Treme team freed her and defeated Bogan (but it doesn't look like permanently) and Rachel stayed with the X-Treme team and ended up back in New York after the team heard of the destruction Magneto caused there.

Rachel most liked is calling herself Rachel Grey now in respect to her mother who died during the battle with Magneto. The same reason her new codename is now Marvel Girl and not Phoenix. Also possibly because Cyclops has basically been revealed to be a two-timing man-slut who was psychically cheating on Jean with the White Queen and pretty much hooked up with Emma not a day after Jean died.

Wow thanks for the recap. I dropped X-treme X-men after Intifada ended, b/c quite frankly it wasn't very good. Now I know who Rachel Grey is in the Preview online for Uncanny next week.

Now this Phoenix is SWEET!!!!! She rocks, and she's definitely good as a secondary attacker with her shorter range. The sculpt is good, not great, and I too fear for the heavy sculpt on the now-girly-built base. I'm glad WK did a Wednesday preview this week in addition to the Monday preview. Now I am really pumped for this set!!!

[chuckkim00]

Before you're too hard on Scott Summers for being a "manslut" (which he was), let's not forget that Jean kissed Logan shortly after Cassandra Nova swapped minds with Xavier. Logan was the one to turn her down. So neither of them are innocent. Although, truth be told, Scott was definitely the bigger slut.
That being said, wow, I can't wait to play Pheonix II!

[Teletran]

HUH?

I thought it was Jean herself who made Scott entertain Emma?!?

Wasn't it some kind of bad future when Scott turned down Emma so Jean went and made changes to history so Scott would be with Emma.

Haven't read any of those issues... just got word about it. Maybe you guys can explain?

[ohoni]

Sweet. I loved Excalibur, so this one rocks.

I hope that when they release the actual figure it'll be painted over transparent plastic, like Domormamu or Nova.

[LoneWolf21]

Originally posted by IronManI
"Rachel Summers uses her "special" Mardi Gras special attack! Your incapacitated now!"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Wouldn't that power be more fitting for Ultimate Wasp? ;)

[the itsy bit]

great !!

a non-ultimate fig and a good one at that.

nice combination of powers RS/PW and after that PB is awesome !
6 range is low though...:noid:

[doc_holleday]

Where did you get that RS from?

[Kaitouace]

Originally posted by Teletran
HUH?

I thought it was Jean herself who made Scott entertain Emma?!?

Wasn't it some kind of bad future when Scott turned down Emma so Jean went and made changes to history so Scott would be with Emma.

Haven't read any of those issues... just got word about it. Maybe you guys can explain?

That's semi-right. What Jean made Cyclops do in actuality was to keep the school running. After the big battle in New York with Magneto and Jean dying again, Cyclops had had enough. He wanted to let the school stay closed and get on with his life. Emma still wanted to keep the school open (and felt very strongly about it I might add). The "terrible future" that occured in Grant Morrison's last arc on New X-Men (Here Comes Tomorrow) was a direct result of the school staying closed.

Beast tried to keep it open himself, eventually started taking Kick (a mutant drug enhancer that Magneto took that made him go nuts) which was actually a sort of sentient bacteria that wanted to eliminate mutants in order to protect itself. Beast went evil and eventually wrecked the world. He claimed a "Phoenix Egg" in the future and resurrected Jean (as the Phoenix) from it in order to trick her into destroying what was left of mutantkind. Wolverine (who was still alive at the time) managed to help her regain her memory at the cost of his life and she used the powers of the Phoenix to basically recreate the timeline, go back, and make Scott say yes to Emma when she asked him to restart the school (which is when Scott and Emma kissed on Jean's grave).

However the whole Scott/Emma affair was going on way before that happened. That occured soon after the X-Men "rescued" Xorn from his prison and he joined the X-Men. Jean was FURIOUS when she found out. She psychically attacked Emma forcing her to live out her rather humiliating childhood for Emma and Jean to see. Emma managed to compose herself but was quite upset. Which made Jean the prime suspect when Emma was killed with a bullet that shattered her while she was in diamond form. But it was Jean who saved Emma after Beast managed to find and put all of Emma's pieces in order by reattaching the pieces together at the molecular level (thanks to the powers of the Phoenix).

[EvilGenius]

Sweet Jesus Tapdancing Christmas! This reads just like a recap of a g*&d*$# soap-opera!!!

And my friends wonder why I gave up on Marvel in general and XTitles specifically in the late 80s. This stuff is just ridiculous.

(I'm not trying to insult anyone here, except maybe the Marvel writers who came up with the below "storylines".)

Originally posted by Kaitouace
That's semi-right. What Jean made Cyclops do in actuality was to keep the school running. After the big battle in New York with Magneto and Jean dying again, Cyclops had had enough. He wanted to let the school stay closed and get on with his life. Emma still wanted to keep the school open (and felt very strongly about it I might add). The "terrible future" that occured in Grant Morrison's last arc on New X-Men (Here Comes Tomorrow) was a direct result of the school staying closed.

Beast tried to keep it open himself, eventually started taking Kick (a mutant drug enhancer that Magneto took that made him go nuts) which was actually a sort of sentient bacteria that wanted to eliminate mutants in order to protect itself. Beast went evil and eventually wrecked the world. He claimed a "Phoenix Egg" in the future and resurrected Jean (as the Phoenix) from it in order to trick her into destroying what was left of mutantkind. Wolverine (who was still alive at the time) managed to help her regain her memory at the cost of his life and she used the powers of the Phoenix to basically recreate the timeline, go back, and make Scott say yes to Emma when she asked him to restart the school (which is when Scott and Emma kissed on Jean's grave).

However the whole Scott/Emma affair was going on way before that happened. That occured soon after the X-Men "rescued" Xorn from his prison and he joined the X-Men. Jean was FURIOUS when she found out. She psychically attacked Emma forcing her to live out her rather humiliating childhood for Emma and Jean to see. Emma managed to compose herself but was quite upset. Which made Jean the prime suspect when Emma was killed with a bullet that shattered her while she was in diamond form. But it was Jean who saved Emma after Beast managed to find and put all of Emma's pieces in order by reattaching the pieces together at the molecular level (thanks to the powers of the Phoenix).

[flak]

Great Looking Fig

Sweet Addition to X-Men

[EmperorShotz]

Originally posted by insurgo
so someone saw the custom that the folks over in the Artisans Guild did and ganked it, eh?

http://emperorshotz.com/RachelSummers.jpg

:eek:

wizkids I am shocked yet honored...

hehe

[jon-el]

oooo, another Firelord.

But this one has the X-Men ability.

Seriously though, 5 damage AND super senses ?
For less than 100 points ?

She better have a really short dial.

[Noman]

I think the description (from JonL ?) at the top of the thread implies a 7 or 8 click dial at least.
IF the defence number drops rapidly, then yes, we have the new Firelord...

This is going to see an awful lot of play...

...oh, and on the X Men storyline (Jean/Scott/Emma + Hank goes Junkie) - pause, rewind, erase...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Thorgrin]

I highly doubt it. One is range. Sure you can perplex it up to a 9 (max), but she's still going to be outranged and outgunned.

16 defense? That doesn't even compare with a starting 18 from Firelord. Supersense? wow. Does it really matter with outwit out there?

Sure, you can TK her out into combat, but with the short range, she's pretty much going to be hung out to dry vs. someone else's team.

Even Firelord had other options to start like Energy Explosion and Barrier. Pulsewave is nice, but it'll force you to put perplexers in for a max range of 5, otherwise 3. Doesn't really inspire fear. Not to mention he actually gets PW at the end of his dial for 3 clicks (talking about the exp and comparable pointwise) and by that time 8 AV isn't all that bad.

That and Firelord's dial is much, much deeper. I highly doubt she's going to have 9 total clicks (maybe 7 or 8, but the implication is it wouldn't be a fairly deep dial).

Sorry, but for that kind of point value, I'd rather field other figs that are more comparable. Heck, even the Vet Cyborg wouldn't be a bad replacement for approx 30 points. You could field a PW for 3 damage and have a TK to go along with it....

Originally posted by Noman
I think the description (from JonL ?) at the top of the thread implies a 7 or 8 click dial at least.
IF the defence number drops rapidly, then yes, we have the new Firelord...

This is going to see an awful lot of play...

...oh, and on the X Men storyline (Jean/Scott/Emma + Hank goes Junkie) - pause, rewind, erase...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by sinistersex
just curious, i dont follow DC clix as well as i should...but are there any figures that should have been big, powerful figures but were toned down for whatever reason in DC? here we have Phoenix,

Superman, of course. (2 damage? A gotham policeman can do 2 damage!)

Kara Zor-El the LE Supergirl. The pre-Crisis Supergirl was like the pre-Crisis Superman: un-friggin'-imaginably powerful. For example, her invulnerability was such that you *aren't* going to hurt her without (a) magic (b) kryptonite, (c) red sun radiation, or (d) another Kryptonian. Knives aren't going to hurt her, so you BCF characters can just pack it up and go home. Therefore, she should ignore the first 6 clicks of damage-- or at least ignore the BCF power, in addition to having her Impervious power. And she's as strong as Superman, who can move the Earth whenever he needs to (heck, he once *blew* the planet into a different position, with his superbreath). She should have way more damage... maybe an 8 or 9, plus superstrength. Etc, ad nauseum.

But you've got to make those ninjas feel useful, so the powerful characters have to be scrooged.

There are plenty of others, but those two are the biggest ones.

[BudPalmer]

Originally posted by EmperorShotz
http://emperorshotz.com/RachelSummers.jpg

:eek:

wizkids I am shocked yet honored...

hehe

I saw a custom on ebay that was closer to the Wizkids version than yours, EmperorShotz (It was 80% Phoenix effect). For the record I like, your version better than both of them. Yours has more of that Alan Davis look going for it. Well done!

[Mattman]

I WANT IT!!!!!!!!

I don't have Jean Phoenix and now I don't care. But where's my Dark Phoenix?

[Hellboy]

very cool but too bad they didn't go with transparent plasic for the firebird.

still, it'll be a great addition to my 80's X-men team, so yea!

[lewdew]

I dont like it ....they should of used the yellow/green outfit for her......those wings look like s***........they should of used the clear red like dormmanu's head...........Oh well.....

[yitjuan]

Originally posted by lewdew
I dont like it ....they should of used the yellow/green outfit for her......those wings look like s***........they should of used the clear red like dormmanu's head...........Oh well.....

WHAT yellow green outfit ??? i don't recall the mutant hound wearing any lime yellow outfit ... ooh ... you must mean the OTHER phoenix ;)

[Shango]

PHOENIX: The REAL Story!

The Answer man is always ready to fill in newer fans about past continuity and threads of stories used today that don't make much sense if you haven't read the last ten years of 3 or 4 different books, you know like the X-Men!

Heroclix Fan> I am getting into this Heroclix Phoenix sneakpeek and understand that the character has been kicking around the X-Men for a long time. How do I find out more about her?

Shango >Go back to X-Men #190 or so, and start from there. You should figure it out.

Heroclix Fan> Thanks.. (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...) But really I cant afford every issue from 190.... Cant someone summarize it up in a few pages?

Heh, heh, heh. Hoo, boy did you ask for it.

In early X-Men, Jean Grey become Phoenix.

Phoenix become Dark Phoenix. Very, very bad. Eats planet. With people.
Burp.

Friends of planet that got eat much upset. Try to kill Phoenix.

Phoenix gets lobotomy. No more Dark Phoenix.

Shooter gets X-Men 137. No more John Byrne.

Lobotomy unhappen. Phoenix get killed, instead.

Story written about Phoenix daughter before Shooter read #137. Oops.
Time to rewrite, much fast.

Rachel show up in X-Men 142, look like Jean Grey Mark II.

Jean Grey Mark III (Madelyn Prior) show up in X-Men 171.

Madelyn and Scott get marry in X-Men 175.

Rachel appear in X-Men 190, come from future where Jean not die.

Since Jean not Phoenix, power go to Madelyn.

Madelyn like her baby, which really not hers, because she not herself,
but rather is clone of person who died before, but dead self has unborn
daughter from future time running around from before Shooter read X-Men
137. Much confusing.

Madelyn try resolve problem by killing everybody and murder son.

Madelyn son get kidnap from Jean Grey Mark IV from different future. Son
needs to grow up to be Cable. Just so you know.

Jean Mark I reappear. Turn out she not die in X-Men 137, she fall asleep
way back in X-Men 99. So what was Jean Mark I was really Jean Mark V.
Nobody in comic notice. Nobody in Marvel care. Nobody in readership
understand.

Jean reappear with Scott in X-Factor, but Scott no tell Jean he marry
Jean Mark III (Madelyn Pryor), because Jean Mark I get mad at him. Meanwhile,
Jean Mark II (Rachel Summers) kicking around Excalibur. Averaging one
Jean per strip at this point.

Writer decide Madelyn has good idea to kill everybody. Blows up world.
Makes writing easier.

Left with three Jean Greys. Whoops. Scott got some 'splainin to do.

Jean I fights Jean III to prevent the Phoenix (Jean IV) from destroy
world. Except Phoenix likes Jean II better.

Writer keeps forgetting footnotes. Throw Jean I, Jean II, and Jean III
in blender. Whirrrrrr.

New, improved Jean. More coherent. Three sets of memories. Goes nuts on
occassion. Multi-faceted personality. Typical woman.

Oh, forget Phoenix still kicking around. Alan Davis much annoyed.
Phoenix (Jean V) decide to eat Rachel (Jean II).

There. You understand, now?

[Shango]

That's as far as I know:)

That's the Phoenix history up to the mid-nineties or so. Then I stopped following a lot of X-titles so there's even more to it now.

God I love continuety!!

[doc_holleday]

Originally posted by Shango
(...)

ROTFLMAO!

[Hellboy]

true, but quite a bit incomplete. you forget at least five jaunts into alternate futures, plus at least three deaths; and of course subsequent rebirths.

yes, very complicated.

[superplex]

Originally posted by Shango
Madelyn like her baby, which really not hers, because she not herself,
but rather is clone of person who died before, but dead self has unborn
daughter from future time running around from before Shooter read X-Men
137. Much confusing.
:noid: :surprised :confused: Yeesh! My brain feels like I jus' had an all-syrup Slushee..

[I Am The Game]

Originally posted by Shango
Goes nuts on occassion. Multi-faceted personality. Typical woman.

Dude! You're my hero until one of them kills you for saying that! :classic:

[Hellboy]

they probably never would have found it in the middle of that confusing history if you hadn't yanked it out and reposted it. everyone duck and cover!:confused:

[stormphoenix]

i think i've found my replacement for firelord..thanks WK!
( evil laugh)

[Bubblehead]

Honestly,


WHO CARES????????

WE HAVE MYSTERIO AND ELECTRO (AND PROBABLY LIZARD!!!!)

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by doc_holleday
Where did you get that RS from?

my bad !

well, since Rachel doesn't have RS she needs a boost from her mom so she can shoot somebody then.
that 6 range will get her ko'ed though...

[Dr. Morbius]

Actually....the Phoenix-Aura may be acrylic-orange.
We heard that Ghost Rider's flames will be like that despite his paintmaster being all painted.
FireLFighter posted that he saw Electro among others at the Magestore in Dusseldorf and Electro's Energy-bands were acrylic as well.
So the final version of Phoenix could very well be with the see-through plastic for the bird.

[St-Dumas]

I love te sculpt. i love the powers. heck, i love phoenix II.

[St-Dumas]

I love te sculpt. i love the powers. heck, i love phoenix II.

[Hellboy]

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
Actually....the Phoenix-Aura may be acrylic-orange.
We heard that Ghost Rider's flames will be like that despite his paintmaster being all painted.
FireLFighter posted that he saw Electro among others at the Magestore in Dusseldorf and Electro's Energy-bands were acrylic as well.
So the final version of Phoenix could very well be with the see-through plastic for the bird.



oh pleasepleaseplease let this be true! It would be so so much cooler!

[ravenzero673]

she is nice