HeroClix June Tournament Prizes! [Archive]

Draddog

05/07/2004, 18:28

HeroClix June Tournament Prizes!For the month of June, the following prizes will be available for specific events. Make sure your retailer and Envoy know what events you want to participate in, so that they can schedule now! LE's may show up again in different tournament format types.Please Note: These kits are subject to change without notice. Prize kit contents may vary depending on figure availability. While WizKids will make every attempt to ensure that every venue who signs up for the appropriate event receives the prize kit as stated, last minute changes and substitutions may occur.<TABLE BORDER="1" WIDTH="420"><TR><TD COLSPAN="2" ALIGN="CENTER">Open HeroClix Constructed Tournament Build a 300 point team under the Open HeroClix rules system!</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul219"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul219.jpg"> Maxwell Dillon</A></TD><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul201"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul201.jpg"> Jonny Ell</A></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE BORDER="1" WIDTH="420"><TR><TD COLSPAN="2" ALIGN="CENTER">Open HeroClix Constructed Tournament Build a 300 point team under the Open HeroClix rules system!</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul217"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul217.jpg"> Quentin Beck</A></TD><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul202"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul202.jpg"> Wade Cole</A></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE BORDER="1" WIDTH="420"><TR><TD COLSPAN="2" ALIGN="CENTER">Open HeroClix Draft Tournament Draft the best team from boosters and compete!</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul216"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul216.jpg"> James Howlett</A></TD><TD ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ul203"><IMG HEIGHT="150" SRC="/images/ultimates/ul203.jpg"> Justice Is Served!</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

Eric Rage

05/07/2004, 18:30

MYSTERIO!!!

Crispy331

05/07/2004, 18:30

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Eric Rage

05/07/2004, 18:33

...allow me to add that calling the Scourge LE "Justice is Served" is just about the coolest freakin' thing I've ever seen.

bladestalker

05/07/2004, 18:34

very sweet but who the carp is james howlett?

discombobulous

05/07/2004, 18:39

James Howlett = Wolverine (read Origins: Wolverine) <- I think that's the title.

MUST HAVE JAMES HOWLETT!!!

kp05301983

05/07/2004, 18:39

That's his real name from Origin.

Madroxbox

05/07/2004, 18:39

Wow! More morlocks, impervious on James!
Mysterio: it's about time!
Justice is served: I don't know who he is, but he looks really cool.
Hellfire club!

GianSingir

05/07/2004, 18:40

Man, I'm outta touch... The only one I know, is Mysterio... Can anyone help me out, and explain who the other people are? And, why does Logan, have a different name?

kp05301983

05/07/2004, 18:40

forgive my ignorence but who are the first two and wade cole

Sassmatic

05/07/2004, 18:40

Ultimate Electro and Mysterio... Nice

Puuka

05/07/2004, 18:41

Cool, now the Sinister Six is complete. Mysterio and Electro. The James H is cool too. Man, I'm really going to need Whoclix for some of these though

Madroxbox

05/07/2004, 18:42

Johnny El is a morlock apparently.
I believe Wade Cole is a Hellfire Club guard.

Legion-of-Doom

05/07/2004, 18:43

Who exactly is Scourge, and why is his LE call "Justice is Served" ? Very cool though, Impervious on Wolvie, sweet. Hope the Syndicate versions of Mysterio have Perplex. Kinda disapointed they made Ultimate Electro, I love that wacky old green and gold outfit, lol. Hope he gets Running shot and Pulse Wave on his SS versions. Nice to see the Morlock Generic is pretty powerful though, hope the REV is similar. That Hellfire guard is really cool for the points.

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 18:43

Boy, if Howlett had gotten some charge on the first couple of clicks, he would have been one of the best Wolverines ever! Impervious, huh? Well, I guess everyone can quit complaining about Captain America getting it.

Could someone point out to me who Wade Cole and Johny Ell superhero/villain names are?

Mysterio and Scourge are some very nice sculpts.

Overall, these LEs seem very useful, if a little short in the dial. (Except for Howlett, of course.)

Battletank900

05/07/2004, 18:43

The sculpts look really cool, but a couple of thoughts...

Electro-should be on a flight base or have phasing since he can convert to current.

Mysterio-should have more smoke, less poison?

jedah_s

05/07/2004, 18:43

you had me at scourge.

Eric Rage

05/07/2004, 18:43

Originally posted by Madroxbox
Justice is served: I don't know who he is, but he looks really cool.

That's Scourge, a mysterious vigilantie (or a bunch of them) who would get close to supervillains using a slew of disguises then say his signature line ("Justice is served!") as he put a slug through said supervillain's skull.

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 18:44

Forget my question about Cole and Ell.:o

discombobulous

05/07/2004, 18:45

James Howlett is Logan's real name. After having his family killed in front of him by the Logans (another family). James popped the claws, killed the Logan father, and scarred the son.

He ran off with a young red haired girl (don't remember the name) and took the name 'Logan.'

Anyone else who remembers more can fill it all in better than I.

Puuka

05/07/2004, 18:47

Originally posted by Battletank900
The sculpts look really cool, but a couple of thoughts...

Electro-should be on a flight base or have phasing since he can convert to current.

Mysterio-should have more smoke, less poison?

Ghost Rider took his smoke

kwsazul

05/07/2004, 18:48

FINALLY!!!!
A Wolverine with Imp. Sweet, and he's not gonna be the marquee! Who is the read and black generic with the brown mask, they look familiar. And who is Justice is served, have you seen those numbers, he gets my vote for best cannon fodder in a 300pt game(beating the new V Kobra Fanatic). I was wondering how they would represent mysterio's smoke and mirrors. I didn't know if they would go with PC, perplex, shape change or ouwit, I guess the LE gets outwit. I am sure the REV will have smoke, and maybe inc

Wasteland

05/07/2004, 18:49

Love it!

Mysterio (although how they failed to put Smoke cloud on HIM, yet they put it on Ghost Rider is beyond me...

Ultimate Electro (although I was soooo hoping for a regular suit Electro)

Wolvie, with Impervious yet!

Scourge, and with the tag line as his name is just too cool!

Mmmm...Morlocks and Hellfire Club.

Soon all will be right with the world. Peter Parker LE! Deadpool! Black Tom! Cable! One can wish

Battletank900

05/07/2004, 18:49

Originally posted by Legion-of-Doom
Hope the Syndicate versions of Mysterio have Perplex.

I second that. Perplex fits Mysterio perfectly. You never know what you have with him but maybe they wanted to represent his deception with outwit.

DOOM's Medic

05/07/2004, 18:50

A Wolverine with IMP....... sure I can handle that(although he can't regenerate back to it). Though a clik of stealth(1st or last) and a clik or two of charge would have been perfect(for my thoughts of him).

Electo..... nice sculpt.

So that's scourge...... hun.

As for Mysterio..... I was scared about too much smoke cloud(1 fig Ok, still hoping for the other 3).

Some nice low end-hotness..............cool.

Dr. Morbius

05/07/2004, 18:56

Okay...so the Morlock is generic like the Hellfire guard....
that's cool. Mysterio's sculpt is uber-cool. I must join the choir, though, and ask why he has 1 click of smoke while Ghost Rider has lots :rolleyes:
The third generic is the Scourge...a villain that has seen many a faces under that mask and was known as a vigilant villain killer (though first deployed by Red Skull).

Electro.... :disappoin it's the ultimate version (I'm glad for you Ultimate Universe fans), but now 3 of Spidey's most infamous villains exist only in an ultimate form (Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro) *sigh*

Puuka

05/07/2004, 18:59

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
Okay...so the Morlock is generic like the Hellfire guard....
that's cool. Mysterio's sculpt is uber-cool. I must join the choir, though, and ask why he has 1 click of smoke while Ghost Rider has lots :rolleyes:
The third generic is the Scourge...a villain that has seen many a faces under that mask and was known as a vigilant villain killer (though first deployed by Red Skull).

Electro.... :disappoin it's the ultimate version (I'm glad for you Ultimate Universe fans), but now 3 of Spidey's most infamous villains exist only in an ultimate form (Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro) *sigh*

The thing is, these are good for people who do do mods. Also, it is better than getting no versions of them

shock man x

05/07/2004, 19:02

Don't forget that the LE's are sometimes very different from the regular REVs. So Mysterio may have a whole dial of Smoke Cloud on his REVs but with the LE you get poison. Scarecrow was very different from his normal dial.

Anyone worried about the Morlocks 12 defense? Hope Calisto gets something higher than a 14. But they are easy to kill ain't they. ;)

Socko

05/07/2004, 19:05

Originally posted by discombobulous
James Howlett is Logan's real name. After having his family killed in front of him by the Logans (another family). James popped the claws, killed the Logan father, and scarred the son.

He ran off with a young red haired girl (don't remember the name) and took the name 'Logan.'

Anyone else who remembers more can fill it all in better than I.

He first popped his claws when he gets peeed off after his family died in the same room within about a minute. James by the way was a weak, sick, little boy. then after this he ran off with a girl living in the family mansion Rose.

i love all the sculpts. i want the wolvie and scourge les. Justice is served! thats awesome.

it looks like Marvel is starting to set in with the sweet sculpts.

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 19:05

I think Moon Knight just got a new partner in Scourge. Not only do they share a love for wearing ghostly white, but for @60 pts. you can have a pretty "spooky" surprise for your opponent. First, have Moon Knight's stealth help hid Scourge as they move up the board. Then, if you're using the experienced or LE Moon Knight, base a grounded enemy while holding an object while allowing Scourge line of sight to fire at range. Or, swap out their roles with veteran Moon Knight incapacitating at range while Scourge runs up to deliver 3 base to base with exploit weakness. Not a bad combination at all, and, in a 300pt. game you've still got another 230pts. or so left to fill out the team with. Nice.:cool:

mutieloverx

05/07/2004, 19:09

Wale Cole is one of the three Hellfire Club guards that Wolverine cut up in Uncanny X-men 133

later came back as a Cyborg
member of the Reavers

Glorfindel

05/07/2004, 19:09

I aren't an avid comic reader at all and have only just recently started reading. In fact I pretty much have only read Secret Wars, Thunderbolts, Marvel Knights & a little Avengers. That all being said, I find all the Ultimates series really, really cool. But why did they make Electro the Ultimates version?? Not impressed at all.

Scourge! He is very cool. I hope his REV is a little 'longer' in dial.

Captain_Comet

05/07/2004, 19:13

Sweet glorious goodness

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 19:16

"Don't forget that the LE's are sometimes very different from the regular REVs. So Mysterio may have a whole dial of Smoke Cloud on his REVs but with the LE you get poison."

Hey, Shock man X, I think you're probably right about Mysterio. In fact, I think the outwit might also only end up on his LE version. I wouldn't be surprised to see perplex in it's place on the r/e/v's. To me, Mysterio just screams "perplex" if anyone does. Also, that would make his LE more desirable. We're already getting a Spidey villain with outwit in Doc Ock this set, so I'd really wonder if Wizkids would be handing out so much of it among the r/e/v's.

Thunderclese

05/07/2004, 19:17

I'm really eager for the Scourge, all of a sudden... I'm sure his normal stats won't be quite the same, but we can hope! And yeah, Justice is Served! is an awesome name! I hope they eventually make the Nomad version of him from Thunderbolts!

James Howlett is pretty neat, a version of Wolvie with Imp. will be interesting.

I'm sure this Mysterio is a bit of a departure from the REV. I'm banking on lots of smoke cloud. ;)

All in all, the sculpts are looking pretty sweet for this new Marvel set. It's about time!

Spock

05/07/2004, 19:22

hmm, Justice is Served and the new Wolverine are interesting.

I'm kinda dissapointed we don't get more DC, though.

skeevo666

05/07/2004, 19:23

Holy ####! I come on to work on a team and get a "Friday Surprize"*

Maxwell Dillon - You can't fool me, that's Riff-Raff! Would've preferred original Yellow & Green, but the energy coils are kind keen :classic:

Jonny Ell - What the Ell? Quick, brutal dial. Oh yeah Harryhausen called, he wants his design back . . .

Quentin Beck - Old School goodness, done right!

Wade Cole - If more of the lackeys were like him, Wolvy wouldn't have been so cocky. Sorry, I love generics. (I have a whole bunch of 'em working on a "project" for me. They're great! ;)

James Howlett - mean dial, "eh" on the costume. :(

Justice is Served!™ - With a side order of zoot suit style! Exploit Weakness :confused: ? Why is he deadlier in close combat? Didn't he do most of his hits with a gun . . ?

(*Scottish spelling, back off)

Spock

05/07/2004, 19:23

Oops, nevermind...forgot we still get DCs for unrestricted :-)

Puuka

05/07/2004, 19:23

Originally posted by Spock
hmm, Justice is Served and the new Wolverine are interesting.

I'm kinda dissapointed we don't get more DC, though.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90747

Puuka

05/07/2004, 19:28

Originally posted by skeevo666
Justice is Served!™ - With a side order of zoot suit style! Exploit Weakness :confused: ? Why is he deadlier in close combat? Didn't he do most of his hits with a gun . . ?[/B]

Yes, point blank, with a gun

ace

05/07/2004, 19:28

johnny ell is what's his name from gene nation with marrow. Cole is a helfire club guard who got torn up by wolverine and became a reaver, he is sooooo freakin nice, stealth with rce, woohoo

Maniac_nmt

05/07/2004, 19:34

Wow, the Scourge is awesome, NICE move with the name.

Glad to see Mysterio and Electro finally show up.

Impervious for James Howlett?? Holy smokes! Still, am glad to see such a big name char get an LE. Dare we hope for a Steve Rogers or Peter Parker LE?

Spock

05/07/2004, 19:35

Too late :-)

deathsythe

05/07/2004, 19:35

They all look sweet and Justice Is Served! rules. TK him up and smoke a character with IMP, T, or INV for 3 clicks. Hows that for 31 points.

AlgertMan

05/07/2004, 19:40

YES THIS OWNS

shock man x

05/07/2004, 19:42

I think your right Rocket Ranger about the perplex thing. Beck is just like an illusionist so smoke cloud (puts up some false terrain or fire wall that would stop you for a second but could be shot through on a "I don't beleive it" type action) and perplex (more ilussions confusing his opponents). I don't really understand the poison at all. Did he ever use poison in the books?

The Morlock LE is the best mastermind fodder I've ever seen!!

fallguy

05/07/2004, 19:44

I love the generics, these are some of the best low point LE's to be made. It is the first time I find myself drawn to the generics more than the main guys and I am a BIG Wolverine fan.
BenG.

turdburglar47

05/07/2004, 19:44

It has been decreed that Mysterio, Quentin Beck, hath come down from the heavens as the harbinger of the holy trinity.

It has been confusing that his arrival has been greeted with arguments for more Smoke Cloud, a reviled power that, while appropriate, is present on his last click, where it should be.

Thus, Mysterio walks the Earth as one of us, and his place in the trinity must be taken by another. And thus it has.

DEADPOOL, MODOK, MAESTRO.

Mysterio has shone upon us this day, and all is right.

He has a big fishbowl for a head. Yay!

It would have been cooler if Wolverine's LE was "Lucky Jim Howlett." But this'll do, pig. This'll do.

Ultimate Electro - so much less appealing, but I'm down with it.

Huzzah, and good morrow. Let the Beck be with you.

skeevo666

05/07/2004, 20:15

Originally posted by turdburglar47
Huzzah, and good morrow. Let the Beck be with you.

Is he related to "Beck Bristow, Hollywood actor"?

Madroxbox

05/07/2004, 20:20

Hopefully one of Mysterio's REV is Sinister Syndicate.

Shock man X, is your avatar a character from Shining Force?

Po Po

05/07/2004, 20:26

I have to say, I'm really impressed. I like the Jim Howlett, and Scourge is pretty cool. I'm surprised to see the Ultimates version of Electro, but I have to admit that his sculpt is pretty sweet. And since Cole is appearing as a Hellfire LE, does that mean that we won't see any Reavers in later sets?

tyroclix

05/07/2004, 20:27

Electro looks cool enough - and his stats are interesting. 8 range is solid.

The Morlock can be great Mastermind Fodder. A little Toughness - then some Regen. And at 30 points everyone can MM to him.

Mysterio is okay. Outwit is dandy (man Kraven is going to have a heck of a time getting some play) but Poison must be pretty expensive. Love the end click of Smoke Cloud and Stealth - Willpower would have been perfect then, too.

Hellfire Club Guard - cool. Can't wait to get a bunch of them. And can't wait to get more than just the Hellfire ladies!

Wolvie is interesting. I'm not totally stoked for some reason - but he's nifty.

Scourge - very interesting. Not a fan of the guy. He seemed a little lame and could have been replaced by the Punisher which would have been very interesting. How many times did he just pop in for a panel to fill some lame super-bad guy with his armor-piercing bullets? And not as dramatic as he should have been. Still the sculpt does look really cool. But do you put him in the good guy teams? Or the bad guys?

I really can't wait to see the REV versions of these guys...

chimpy2888

05/07/2004, 20:28

Awesome!

Kazzigum

05/07/2004, 20:29

Turdburger47, you are SO the Man ... and I don't even like Modok.

flak

05/07/2004, 20:35

Really Really Really Nice!!!

turdburglar47

05/07/2004, 20:47

Originally posted by Kazzigum
Turdburger47, you are SO the Man ... and I don't even like Modok.

There must be no negative opinions directed towards MODOK.

Vote MODOK in 2004: He has a very tiny butt.

Gambit

05/07/2004, 20:48

####.... I was hoping for LE Steve Rogers, but oh well, I guess that you get when A very good Captain America REV comes out.

Gambit

05/07/2004, 20:51

that's blacked out because it says dam, like a beavers dam, but the other meaning.;)

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 20:58

The Morlock won't be good just for Mastermind. Imagine 5 of these guys encircled around the opposing clix of your choice like so:

# M M M=Morlock
# O M O=Opposing clix
# M M #=Empty square

The Morlock in the middle of the row to the far right would have a +4 to his attack. Even if damaged down to a 6 attack, he'd still have a 10. The remaining four Morlocks would each have a +2, which again would still make that 6 an 8 and not bad for any generic. Now, throw in CCE, toughness and regeneration, and the opposing clix in the middle is going to have problems not only taking out the Morlock but just surviving through a couple of rounds. Granted, Ell is the LE and probably has something the r/e/v doesn't like toughness, an extra click of life or CCE, but, if the r/e/v has CCE without toughness or toughness with only a 2 damage, these underground mutants are still going to be nasty in groups.

All I can say is: "BEWARE THE MORLOCK HORDES!"

(especially if they all have CCE and regeneration.;) )

Gorodish

05/07/2004, 21:01

Originally posted by Rocket Ranger
The Morlock won't be good just for Mastermind. Imagine 5 of these guys encircled around the opposing clix of your choice like so:

# M M M=Morlock
# O M O=Opposing clix
# M M #=Empty square

The Morlock in the middle of the row to the far right would have a +4 to his attack. Even if damaged down to a 6 attack, he'd still have a 10. The remaining four Morlocks would each have a +2, which again would still make that 6 an 8 and not bad for any generic. Now, throw in CCE, toughness and regeneration, and the opposing clix in the middle is going to have problems not only taking out the Morlock but just surviving through a couple of rounds. Granted, Ell is the LE and probably has something the r/e/v doesn't like toughness, an extra click of life or CCE, but, if the r/e/v has CCE without toughness or toughness with only a 2 damage, these underground mutants are still going to be nasty in groups.

All I can say is: "BEWARE THE MORLOCK HORDES!"

(especially if they all have CCE and regeneration.;) )

Sorry, only +3 because of tyhe new rule. Still, pretty dangerous, especially if you have the actions to set it up (Expect Callsito with leadership)

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 21:04

Arghh! I tried to edit my post to separate the key from the mapped out example, but I must have missed my edit window. Anyway, ignore the 4th row of letters to the right. That's supposed to be the key to the diagram.

shock man x

05/07/2004, 21:05

Don't forget the rule of 3 Rocket Ranger, but even a 9 is good for a 30 point figure.

Why yes, Madroxbox, it is a Shinning Force character. The great Jellyfish Mage Domingo. Fear him!

Eric Rage

05/07/2004, 21:07

Originally posted by Gambit
I was hoping for LE Steve Rogers, but oh well, I guess that you get when A very good Captain America REV comes out.

Sounds like a Marquee prize to me.

Darth Sabre

05/07/2004, 21:24

Cool that these guys are in the set...but I am way disappointed in Electro. I know it's the LE, but still. I agree that he should fly, and have phasing. Ultimate version or not, when I envisioned him being made, I thought that he would be similar to Boomernag, with stouter offensive abilities.

On the upside the final 2 members of the Sinister Six are in. One thing though, these guys don't exist in the Ultimate universe (other than the recent Ultimate Six), so I doubt that Electro will get the Sinister Syndicate TA.

This set seems to be cool in the charcters that are in it, so far, but I have been a little disappointed in most of their abilities.

Gimpy

05/07/2004, 21:27

I totaly love the outfit on "justice is served". and Jame with imp.

Its like mid-year christmas

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 21:28

Thanks, Gorodish, I forgot about that whole rule of 3 thing. :o (Personally, I think they should have kept it to perplex.)

Anyway, since that's the case, if you have the actions and open squares to pull it off, the new positioning should be:

# M #
M O M
# M #

So, there ya go. Instead of needing five Morlocks to give one a +3, now you can use only four and give each of them a +2. You could also do this to give one a +3:

# M #
# O M
# M M

However, then the Morlock in the top row would be left with only a +1. So, I guess it just depends on how many Morlocks you have to "swarm" and whether or not you can get to the right squares. Again, this will prove nasty if the generic Morlocks all have CCE for damage potential and Regeneration to keep 'em around.

Now, if you have six Morlocks and the actions to use 'em, this would be REALLY nasty:

# M M
M O M
M M #

The four Morlocks in the middle of their rows would each get a +3, and the two in the corners would get the +2. Wow. That's a lot of Morlocks and a lot of possible damage with CCE.

Ok, I got to stop before I start to imagine a mass of eight Morlocks around one clix...or 12 Morlocks around a Sentinel...or 22 Morlocks around Galactus! :eek: :confused: ;) :p

skeevo666

05/07/2004, 21:30

Originally posted by Rocket Ranger
Ok, I got to stop before I start to imagine a mass of eight Morlocks around one clix...or 12 Morlocks around a Sentinel...or 22 Morlocks around Galactus! :eek: :confused: ;) :p

"Red Rover, Red Rover! Send Galan right over!!"

:laugh:

Grinner

05/07/2004, 21:38

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
On the upside the final 2 members of the Sinister Six are in. One thing though, these guys don't exist in the Ultimate universe (other than the recent Ultimate Six), so I doubt that Electro will get the Sinister Syndicate TA.

Didn't stop "I've only been in two panels" Ultimate Rhino from having an r/e/v + an LE (including a version with the Syndicate TA). ;)

stanleylee

05/07/2004, 21:41

Mysterio is GREAT !

Electro is ... not great .

Why do Wizkids persist in picking the 'wrong' versions of characters ?

Vulture was terrible . Green Goblin was equally bad . Rhino was a great sculpt -- but the wrong one !

Argh ! Am I doomed to resort to green stuff every time to get the classic Marvel characters I'm after , or will WK eventually release the proper versions ? ( Hm - probably a rhetorical question there , as I'd guess no-one out here actually knows the answer .... )

jenna7391

05/07/2004, 21:43

justice is served
11 attack
sup sens
3 dam with expliot cleary the best le around. i am surpriesed no one said it yet but for 30 freakin pionts he blows most figures away

Grinner

05/07/2004, 21:43

Originally posted by discombobulous
James Howlett is Logan's real name. After having his family killed in front of him by the Logans (another family). James popped the claws, killed the Logan father, and scarred the son.

He ran off with a young red haired girl (don't remember the name) and took the name 'Logan.'

Anyone else who remembers more can fill it all in better than I.

Well, we're not actually sure on how much of this came across to the Ultimates universe.

For example, we know that in the regular Marvel Universe Wolverine met Captain America during World War II. Wolverine wasn't part of the Canadian Military and was going by the name Logan.

In the Ultimates universe Wolverine met Captain America twice during World War II. He was a captain in the Canadian Military, operating under the name Jim Howlett.

shock man x

05/07/2004, 21:44

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
Cool that these guys are in the set...but I am way disappointed in Electro. I know it's the LE, but still. I agree that he should fly, and have phasing. Ultimate version or not, when I envisioned him being made, I thought that he would be similar to Boomernag, with stouter offensive abilities.

On the upside the final 2 members of the Sinister Six are in. One thing though, these guys don't exist in the Ultimate universe (other than the recent Ultimate Six), so I doubt that Electro will get the Sinister Syndicate TA.

This set seems to be cool in the charcters that are in it, so far, but I have been a little disappointed in most of their abilities.

They gave Ultimate Doc Oc the Sinister Sydicate on his vet so I'm guessing that either the Exp or Vet of Electro will have it as well.

Rocket Ranger

05/07/2004, 21:45

LOL, Skeevo!

"Expect Callsito with leadership." -Gorodish

I wonder how much she'll cost. If Mastermind is appropriate, she could have some staying power if she costs more than her Morlock brethren.

Or, if ya want to kind of stick with a theme and spend less for leadership, give ol' Val-or of the mole people a 2nd look. He himself was a mutant and would have loved hanging out underground with the rest of the Morlocks. Also, if the rookie or experienced Morlock generic has regeneration and is less than 23pts., Val-or might have found some good buddies to take a bullet for him. His cost is a little too high and his leadership is a bit redundant with Mole Man leading the Moloids. Val-or might have finally found his place, with the feeling of home no less.

Grinner

05/07/2004, 21:48

Originally posted by jenna7391
justice is served
11 attack
sup sens
3 dam with expliot cleary the best le around. i am surpriesed no one said it yet but for 30 freakin pionts he blows most figures away

He's a bloody monster!

Even with only 4 clicks of life! A better than 50% chance of inflicting 3 damage on nearly anyone in the game! Eeek! :eek:

Cell

05/07/2004, 21:49

Bah... I want Frank Castle and Dan Ketch LEs stats! These are nice though...

theSHOWDOWN

05/07/2004, 22:13

hmmm...Justice Is Served! looks like he's the next IC Elektra. He might even be better!

I'm happy with the sculpts, but I'm just not getting any characters I care about. As soon as they start up with the Ultimate X-Men (Storm and Jean) or show me a new Rogue I'll be pumped.

Thrilled to see Xorn and Colossus.

Remjer

05/07/2004, 23:20

Nice to know more confirmed figues for this set

but man these le's do nothing for me,

Scouge looks cool but I never read his storyline, it sounds like such neat concept

DrmngCelestial

05/07/2004, 23:24

I'm so glad that everyone is happy with the Scourge LE, but we're forgetting about the pattern that Wizkids set up for them. The whole series have been standouts or alter egos of the R/E/V from the main series. Now they're going to use catch phrases? What's next Wolverine "Bub" "The Best"? The scupt looks great an all but ?what? are they doing?

Anyway so much for research. I think if I was at Wizkids I'd do some research and find better names for the LE's.
That's what I did tonight.. And going by Boneyards list which hasn't been wrong so far.
LE # 101/201-20
Morlock -Johnny Ell (really Hemingway) new name
Hellfire -Cole (confirmed) other good choices Macon, Reese
Sentinel -Sentinel Unit #
Scourge -Bloodstain, Caprice, Priscilla Lyons
(confirmed) Justice is Served! -uh
Lizard -Curt Conners
Princess Python -Zelda DuBois
Callisto -Unrevealed /Cal
Sidewinder -Seth Voekler
Black Widow -Natasha Romanoff
Storm -Ororo Monroe
Anaconda -Blanche Sltznski
Hawkeye -Clint Barton
Hellcat -Patsy Walker
Spider-man -Peter Parker
Beast -Hank McCoy
Wolvie -(confirmed) James Howlett
Mysterio (confirmed) Quentin Beck
Punisher -Frank Castle
Electro (confirmed) Maxwell Dillon
Ghost Rider -Dan Ketch

Lex Luthor Jr

05/07/2004, 23:50

Alright, I am majorly upset by Electro's treatment.

First of all, I was afraid they'd do that. They went with the stupid Ultimates version. Nice costume there. Looks way better than the traditional. Come on! He looks like an Indy reject. I hated the redo of Electro in the first place. (Even personality-wise he turned out worse. Electro may have only been a two-dimensional villain for Spider-Man before, but Ultimates somehow managed to shave him down to being one-dimensional.)

And to top it off, he dial stinks to high heaven! What's he got, 8 attack with Incap? Energy Shield? Only one click of Running Shot? Add to that an 8 Range (Which isn't a "good" range anymore) and no TA. FOR 54 POINTS?!?! Useless piece of garbage.

Bad sculpt or bad dial I can live with. But both?!?! The one Marvel character I was really looking forward to and they screw him up hard core. Put down the pipe, WizKids.

Tifflin

05/08/2004, 00:06

Wait if Mysterio and Electro are both in this set as prizes... does that mean we'll see a REV set of them in the new set.... I'd love to see a couple new sinister sindicate members.

I'm still bummed about Scorpian not being a member in any form :(

tyroclix

05/08/2004, 00:08

And to top it off, he dial stinks to high heaven! What's he got, 8 attack with Incap? Energy Shield? Only one click of Running Shot? Add to that an 8 Range (Which isn't a "good" range anymore) and no TA. FOR 54 POINTS?!?! Useless piece of garbage.

I disagree - I think he has some pretty good powers. This is the LE - so the REV will probably be pretty different. I'm guessing no Running Shot and higher damage - maybe RCE.

But an 8 attack isn't so bad - just shy of average. 8 range is still good - no idea what games you've been playing. In fact there are a lot of range 6's lately making an 8 really good. Plus it keeps you out of Charge range which is always a plus.

The LE teams up Running Shot with that 8 range giving him an effective range of 11 - which is fantastic.

And Incapacitate makes him really special. 11 range Inc makes him a threat to all those low defense Impervious / Invulnerable figs like Black Adam, Absorbing Man, Supergirl, Rhino, etc which all he needs is a 6 or 7 to hit.

1 damage isn't great - more of a mild shock than electrocution - but a 4 range Pulse-Wave is decent.

And he's built for ranged combat so he's got a 16 defense to start - very average.

I think he could be pretty good. And if he is the Jesse Chambers to his REV - he could be one of the great figs of the set.

Wasteland

05/08/2004, 00:26

I'm really hoping that the REV Mysterio is Topdial Stealth, Smoke Cloud, Willpower, Perplex

and then turning into Mindcontrol, Poison, Willpower, Outwit.

Finish off wih Stealth or Phasing, to show his get-away. Throw on some Mastermind (maybe instead of Second click Willpower) and you would have the makings of a pretty killer character. I just hope he has a little higher attack to make him worthwhile.

Thorgrin

05/08/2004, 00:31

The sculpts look ok...

Other than that, these LEs blow. If they're based off the REV versions, then they're gonna blow as well. The only exception is the LE Wolverine. Other than that, these are a waste of plastic. And no, I'm more of a Marvel fan than a DC. What is funny is that all these people bashing Unleashed and defending Ultimates were pointing at the low attack and low defenses of DC. Well guess what, if these are any indication, these guys are gonna be the same. An 8 AV with 14 defense? Ok Justice is Served is an 11, but still a 14 and short dial. Sorry, but overall Unleashed LEs smoke these guys. Yet another LE set of Marvel that blew...

VERY disappointed in Ultimates so far.

Hopscotch

05/08/2004, 00:36

Yeah, The Scourge was the way Marvel clean up it's universe in the late 80's insted of going the DC route and resetting time or killing dimensions every few years, The Scourge would wander around and off the c-list baddies like Bluestreak, Basilisk, and my personal fave, Turner D. Century. he was an interesting way to take out the trash.

I Am The Game

05/08/2004, 01:19

Jonny Ell - Gene Nation? Blech. I'll never play the Morlock ability anyway.

Wade Cole - grr... how long am I gonna have to wait for Reese and Macon? ;)

Scourge - Outstanding sculpt, my favorite so far. I suspect the R/E/V will have RCE instead, and some Shapechange to show his proficiency with costumes.

Howlett - Wolverine with Impervious? What did I sleep through? Keep it.

Mysterio - I expect a full dial of Stealth and Smoke Cloud on the R/E/V, we never see him until the last page anyway! On defense, I'd suggest Super Senses, cuz you never know if you're attacking the real guy. Perplex is more appropriate than Mind Control in my opinion. No problem, it's a different interpretation, which is what LE's are supposed to be anyway. As far as poison goes, his smoke melts Spidey's webbing, which was probably the inspiration, but it's definitely not poisonous...

Electro - A slap in the face to Steve Ditko...what was the harm of putting him in the green and yellow with a big, jagged lightning bolt flying out of his hand??? The R/E/V will probably have 7/8/9 as their attack values. No flying cuz he doesn't carry, fine. Poison would work much better here than on Mysterio... Electro is much deadlier in close combat. Syndicate TA is a must.

Batman1983

05/08/2004, 01:35

Johnny elL

DUH! :confused:

I can't believe nobody has said anything about this yet...

otherwise cool to see stuff...

Thunderclese

05/08/2004, 02:35

Why are people worried that Mysterio won't be on the Sinister Syndicate? It's not an Ultimate version, and he actually was on the SS in the comics right? Or at least, the Sin6, which, I assume was the forerunner. Besides, like someone said, they gave Ult. Doc Ock the SS TA, why not a normal universe character? (and don't anybody mention Scorpion! ;) )

VampireHunterD

05/08/2004, 02:45

the le james howlett is so many times better point wise than vet wollvie it's crazy, sooo delicious muahahaha. I was going to cancel my order for my 2 cases of ultimates but these new guys shown have me too excited plus a new magneto and thor??!!! as long as they rock i'm still in, here's praying no telekenisis for magneto.

VHD

Darth Sabre

05/08/2004, 03:04

Originally posted by Tifflin
I'm still bummed about Scorpian not being a member in any form :(

That's because he was never a member. This is a misconception probably brought on by the video game that has him as a member.

Nontheless, it appears that Spidey villains get bottom of the rung treatment. With the exception of Green Goblin, Boomerang, and Venom..the rest have really been disappointing.

Thunderclese

05/08/2004, 03:43

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
That's because he was never a member. This is a misconception probably brought on by the video game that has him as a member.

Thanks you! I'm glad someone else realized this! I'm confident Mysterio will be on the Sin. Syn. And if not, I'll smash one of my roomates clix as an act of contrition! ;)

grey_zealot

05/08/2004, 08:02

O.K., NOW I'm orgasming!

Finally a Mysterio.

Man-o-man, Ultimates is looking better and better.

Grappler

05/08/2004, 09:04

Scourge goes way back with Captain America. He (They) are mysterious and appears rarely and randomly killing Villains (usually the villains that were lame anyway) vigilanty style. At first it was thought that Scourge was just one killer. Their most significant Marvel historical event occurred at the Bar with no name in Cleveland (Captain America #319). They wiped out a large gathering of throwaway villains. during U.S. Agents investigation of Scourge it was found that more than one person was ivolved and most of them were presumed dead in a cemetary showdown in U.S. Agent #4. But it was hinted that still at least one other remains. Among their victims are The Melter from the Masters of Evil (My most regrettable) and Death Adder from the Serpent Society.

Now about these figures:AWESOME, AWESOME AWESOME!!!!! I am now totally stoked about this set coming out! (except for Mr. Dillon's, only his ORIGINAL Electro costume will do! When I get him I will use him as Charles Xavier during a time period when he had use of his legs!)

dino1626

05/08/2004, 09:27

I think Ultimates is going to be awesome.NIce to see Mysterio,Electro & Scourge.

Grappler

05/08/2004, 09:52

stanleylee you hit the nail right on the head. Now they have done Mysterio great, and he must be had! But as of now my only hope for Electro is that they put out a unique version with his original uniform. But outside of that, the Wolverine dial is close to everthing a Wolverine fan could want. The Hellfire Club will look great supporting Selene. How many of us will soon be playing Scourge, making a kill and then declaring "Justice is Served!" Outside of Electro, good job Wizkids!

SteveRogers

05/08/2004, 10:06

Well, I must say, I was hoping for LE Steve Rogers, but maybe WK wants to wait for a Classic Captain America.;)

Anyway, looks pretty cool. The Mysterio figures looks awsome. But, WTF, how does Wolverine pull out impervious?!? Not to go and say I might not use if I get him, but does he really have any reason to have it?

Gumpold

05/08/2004, 10:22

Why are so many people suprised that it is the "Ultimate" version of electro?

The set is called "ULTIMATES" people!

SPLITSECOND

05/08/2004, 10:24

Cole, Justice is Servered, and James are definitely the ones to get. Cole and Justice are seriously undercosted for what they can bring to the table, and do you know how dangerous it is giving a character with BCF IMP too ? :cool:

krusticlese

05/08/2004, 10:24

Hmmmm,

The LV4 LE's seem infinitly more playable than the LV6 LE's.

Wolverine STINKS! Impervious without stealth is just ASKING for his defense to be outwited and then, let the beat down commense! and a 14 defense? :rolleyes:

Electro stinks. Scourge may well be the most sought after LE, IMHO.

Great job on the generic LE's Wizkids!

der-drach

05/08/2004, 10:47

Originally posted by Thunderclese
Why are people worried that Mysterio won't be on the Sinister Syndicate? It's not an Ultimate version, and he actually was on the SS in the comics right? Or at least, the Sin6, which, I assume was the forerunner. Besides, like someone said, they gave Ult. Doc Ock the SS TA, why not a normal universe character? (and don't anybody mention Scorpion! ;) )

At the risk of starting a whole new discussion, these are the actual original lineups of both Sinister Teams.

Six:
Doctor Octopus
Vulture
Kraven
Sandman
Electro
Mysterio

Syndicate:
Boomerang
Beetle
Rhino
Speed Demon
Hydro-Man

There have been some alterations in the lineups of both since their inceptions, but the two are actually completely unrelated.

WizKids just uses the Syndicate TA to kind of represent both(which is fine).

Heck, Blizzard's got it and he's not even a Spidey villian.

cjf28

05/08/2004, 11:03

Now I need to go and try to find all the back issues of scourge.

How recently has he been showing up? The last I remember was after the bar scene in Cap #319, a few issues later, he was in a cab for a get away, and got blasted in the chest. He's been around since then.

cory

army_22

05/08/2004, 11:18

I want the Scourge LE for one purpose

Use EW on a high level fig, then shout out...

"Oh SNAP! You got SERVED, Dog!"

DraXXXen

05/08/2004, 11:33

I need a new pair of pants....FINALLY MYSTERIO!!

I dont care how many I pull at the Marquee...they are all going on my team :)

bill4935

05/08/2004, 12:00

Originally posted by stanleylee

Electro is ... not great .
Why do Wizkids persist in picking the 'wrong' versions of characters ?
Vulture was terrible . Green Goblin was equally bad . Rhino was a great sculpt -- but the wrong one !

Argh ! Am I doomed to resort to green stuff every time to get the classic Marvel characters I'm after , or will WK eventually release the proper versions ?

Don't you see? They release the Ultimate versions now - because we still haven't seen a Spidey-themed booster. It will happen - and then they can give us the "real" Rhino, GG, and Electro. Probably as uniques. I also see Puma, Spider-Slayer-Robot, Cloak & Dagger, Beetle, Owl, Chameleon, etc...

Just a prediction, but it makes sense, doesn't it?

______________________________________
Cole ROCKS! Old-school (circa Dark Phoenix era) goodness!

turdburglar47

05/08/2004, 13:11

I can't wait to get a hold of Quentin Beck, and then pull buttloads of REV Mysteros in my boosters. They are ALL going on a "Hall of Mirrors" team at some point, and they will WIN. THEY WILL BE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!

You don't know, do you? WHICH ONE IS THE REAL MYSTERIO, AND WHICH ONE IS AN ILLUSION, BABY? You ain't know! YOU AIN'T KNOW, DOG. YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG! You don't play with my Fish-Bowl! Yo! Yo! Don't try to play me out! Don't try to play me out!

Oh, no! Here comes Mysterio! Godzilla!

DreadDormammu

05/08/2004, 13:47

Originally posted by Battletank900
Electro-should be on a flight base or have phasing since he can convert to current.The Ultimate Electro has never demonstrated these powers.

DreadDormammu

05/08/2004, 13:57

Originally posted by turdburglar47
You don't know, do you? WHICH ONE IS THE REAL MYSTERIO, AND WHICH ONE IS AN ILLUSION, BABY? You ain't know! YOU AIN'T KNOW, DOG. YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG! You don't play with my Fish-Bowl! Yo! Yo! Don't try to play me out! Don't try to play me out!You're the man now, dog! (http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/)

Battletank900

05/08/2004, 14:00

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
The Ultimate Electro has never demonstrated these powers.

I might not know a lot about the ultimate Electro but this version looks a lot like the one that was recently on the MTV Spider-man show and he certainly converted to current.

SilverAgeFlash

05/08/2004, 14:49

Wow this set is awsome
I am pretty sure that Justice is Served! is now the cheapest guy with 11 atk and he has EW and 3 dam thats better than blades alot of the time.

James is a beast Blades + IMP = scary

Frontman

05/08/2004, 15:00

Very nice. Can't wait to see some of the stuff out of Ultimates now.

Granted, having only one DC LE in June is silly, as was having mostly DC figures in May. Personally, they should always split them in open play, but since Ultimates is just coming out, and the pattern has already been set, that's cool.

Now, with Hellfire Club getting figures, who is hoping for a Tessa model? Hmmm?

The Frontman

dj_sha

05/08/2004, 16:23

Disappointed on Electro's costume, but these LE's look great! Not much else to say that hasn't been said, except for this: Curse you Wizkids for putting two LE's I want REALLY bad in the same tournament (James and Scourge)! Deja vu of Hector Hall and Match's Malone? Guess I'll just have to hope no one shows up for those tournaments...:disappoin

TheRavenHQ

05/08/2004, 17:57

Justice is Served is SWEET!

To bad I'll never be able to get my hands on one... I how the Vet is cool like that. :D

James Howlett is cool with Imp.

turdburglar47

05/08/2004, 22:27

Originally posted by DreadDormammu
You're the man now, dog! (http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/)

Oh my god. That is the greatest website in the history of time.

boneyard

05/08/2004, 23:25

Hasn't anyone else realized this?

Jonny Ell = Jon Leitheusser

Ego stroking much?

Summoner Geek

05/09/2004, 00:39

I'll add my vote to those hoping that Mysterio has front loaded perplex. I also seeing him having supersenses with about a 16 defense. Stealth and shape change are aslo reasonable powers. And of course smoke cloud (particularly helpful on the stealth clicks). Then some back end outwit and leap/climb (representing his ability to disappear, but phasing isn't right he couldn't move through walls/fly on top of buildings).

Batman1983

05/09/2004, 01:18

Originally posted by boneyard
Hasn't anyone else realized this?

Jonny Ell = Jon Leitheusser

Ego stroking much?

yeah I got it immediately & posted such on page 6... Glad to see I'm not the only observer of that... :laugh:

Thunderclese

05/09/2004, 05:14

Originally posted by boneyard
Hasn't anyone else realized this?

Jonny Ell = Jon Leitheusser

Ego stroking much?

Well, it's not too much ego stroking, it is a Morlock... ew..

mrCreep

05/09/2004, 05:17

Yep finally I will be getting Scourge....so much for all my mods..lol

then again "they" we always an organization.

So Punisher, Ghostrider, and and Scourge....all of my ALL time figures I wanted...now realsed in Heroclix form.

Now all I need is a Horrorclix set to include Jason, Freddy, Leatheface, and Michael...and I woulkd be set.

*hint hint* Wizkids...;)

the itsy bit

05/09/2004, 05:54

MYSTERIO !!!!!!!!!!!!

:classic: :classic: :classic: :classic: :classic:

Rocket Ranger

05/09/2004, 06:43

"Hasn't anyone else realized this?

Jonny Ell = Jon Leitheusser"

Hey, Boneyard, I think you and Batman1983 have stumbled onto something. But, while you were so perceptive to realize this one, there's another little heroclix you seemed to have overlooked...Mr. Bones! See? All that schmoozing with your contacts must have done something to earn a nod from the Wizkids designers. Of course, Mr. Bones IS sort of a shifty character with a skull for a head. Oh, and his touch kills.
:rolleyes: Hmm. Maybe you better be watching your back, Mr. Bones--I mean, Boneyard! Big Brother at Wizkids might be watching and may be getting a little tired of all of their lists being so brilliantly deciphered and distributed to the masses. :noid:
(whispering) Watch your back, but keep the lists coming!;)

Rocket Ranger

05/09/2004, 06:54

Not to worry you further, Boneyard, but I just realized something else about Mr. Bones. If ya think about it, he looks like he's a walking dead man! :surprised Uh, don't worry.:noid: :rolleyes: I'm sure it's only a coincidence. :cheeky: Hey, there's always the dial. I'm sure the AWESOME playability of the Mr. Bones piece means they actually really like ya. Just give me a minute.
(Looks at Mr. Bones cost and dial)
:ermm: You're in trouble.

;)

Rocket Ranger

05/09/2004, 06:58

Oh, and Thunderclese, let's avoid using "stroke" and "Morlock" in the same sentence, shall we?

the itsy bit

05/09/2004, 07:01

Oh yeah ...

the Hellfire agent looks awesome too, I will definately need a bunch of them also !!;)

well, I didn't notice that #$$#&$#%*( stupid dumm sculpt which is SUPPOSED to be Electro (boy, I hate Ultimates even more now !:angry: ).

the stats are nice, but why I the name of all that is holy did you have to make the ugly Ultimates sculpt instead of the immensely better green/gold Electro costume Wizkids ?!?

WHY ?:cry:

why ?:disappoin

:disappoin :(

SimonMoon5

05/09/2004, 12:20

Originally posted by DrmngCelestial
Now they're going to use catch phrases? What's next Wolverine "Bub" "The Best"? The scupt looks great an all but ?what? are they doing?

They already started this with "Shazam!" (Captain Marvel's catchphrase), so it's only fair for other figures to have to suffer in the same way.

I just can't wait for the following LEs:

"Oh my stars and garters"
"Up, up, and away"
"Snikt!"
"Thwip!"
"Suffering Sappho!"

Up up and away would probably be too expensive for his powers, but Oh my stars and garters would probably be useful with his perplex. Suffering Sappho! would be fun to use on a Greek myth theme team along with Shazam! . And Thwip! probably wouldn't even have his own team ability.

SonofVader

05/09/2004, 13:17

I've looked through the LEs a few times, here's my thoughts:

I actually like James Howlett. I didn't at first. Then, I looked at regen. Most of his regen clicks are positioned to put you right back at either 9 attack/ Flurry click. Yup. They're positioned well. That means he should be able to KO whatever figure it was that knocked him down to regen the turn after the Regen (with the possible push), or even move from regen to more regen, giving a later opportunity. Lack of Charge really stings on this one (he'd be ultimately playable if his clicks before Flurry were Charge, and if his regen clicks were stealth).

Justice is served is interesting. Seems like a very fun piece. Keep him next to the TKer for a quick 10 range Nasty Hit. I'd use him to soften a huge opponent before the rest of the biggies blasted away. Could be a fun way to get throw Supes/ Chrome Surfer.

You can keep the other 4. Toughness & Regen with CCE? Eh. Mysterio is not terribly playable. Wade is ok, but we've seen stealthed RCE before and I'd rather play the Indy Ladies than this guy. And Electro is cool, but too low of stats. If they could've pumped up his attack by 2 all the way down (and at the same point cost), he'd be a very nasty figure to play against. Running Shot Inc to keep people down, then Pulse Wave 'em to keep 'em down. However, the super low attack means he can't do this effectively, so eh.

Thunderbolts

05/09/2004, 13:27

Aww. Would have preferred the Thunderbolts version of Scourge who was hunting/killing them (turned out to be Nomad) but the classic version from that awesome Cap comic is a brilliant fig.

TB; still wondering what the deal is with an impervious Wolverine - he's the man with steel inside him, not the Man Of Steel...

DrmngCelestial

05/09/2004, 14:28

Originally posted by SimonMoon5
They already started this with "Shazam!" (Captain Marvel's catchphrase), so it's only fair for other figures to have to suffer in the same way.

Really that character was also known as Shazam for a good part of his existence as DC and Marvel were fighting over who could be called "Captain" Marvel since Shazam did not appear in Marvel comics. DC also used Shazam when he came over from Fawcett Comics, around the time of the lawsuit.

So it's his name as well as his catchphrase. Unlike the Scourges who only shouted Justice is served.

I'm also imagining lots of confusion when we start seeing New Warriors in clicks. Scourge lays the smackdown on Vance Astrovik "Justice is served!" (headscratching heard). Or Justice from the new Universe. true confusion!!

ItsNotMe

05/09/2004, 14:33

Actually, the Spidey LE should be "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility". Or, alternatively, a thug powered LE with his second most commonly spouted phrase: "I'm Through Being Spider-Man!"

SonofVader

05/09/2004, 14:35

Originally posted by Thunderbolts
Aww. Would have preferred the Thunderbolts version of Scourge who was hunting/killing them (turned out to be Nomad) but the classic version from that awesome Cap comic is a brilliant fig.

TB; still wondering what the deal is with an impervious Wolverine - he's the man with steel inside him, not the Man Of Steel...

Hopefully one of the REV Levels will be Avengers team ability, signifying Thunderbolts.
For Wolverine, the Imp works a little differently. The 5 or 6 roll means the attack missed (him dodging). The 2 reduced damage is him taking the hit and not stopping (he shrugs off hits like that all the time... like when he gets shot in the face and doesn't slow down). Kinda a stretch, but it still fits.

Thunderbolts

05/09/2004, 15:17

Originally posted by SonofVader
Hopefully one of the REV Levels will be Avengers team ability, signifying Thunderbolts.

That would probably make less sense than Moonstone being Avengers. He was hunting them and murdering them, after all. I'd hazard a guess some version of the fig, possibly the Vet, might be Minions Of Doom - they haven't had a new member since Xplosion and it'd make a lot of sense for an organisation that infiltrates villainous gangs.

(of course, the Fantastic Four and Skrulls haven't had a new member in an even longer time, but er...)

For Wolverine, the Imp works a little differently. The 5 or 6 roll means the attack missed (him dodging). The 2 reduced damage is him taking the hit and not stopping (he shrugs off hits like that all the time... like when he gets shot in the face and doesn't slow down). Kinda a stretch, but it still fits.

Ah, I get it now. Thanks. I'm not much interested in getting him though (and it is definitely not going to be affordable - a (non mailaway) Wolverine LE?!?) so I hope his popularity gets folk to shy away from the Scourge.

doctorfate77

05/09/2004, 15:45

Originally posted by DrmngCelestial
I'm also imagining lots of confusion when we start seeing New Warriors in clicks. Scourge lays the smackdown on Vance Astrovik "Justice is served!" (headscratching heard). Or Justice from the new Universe. true confusion!!

*Doorbell rings at the Avengers Mansion*

*Vance Opens the door to Scourge breakdancing on the front porch*

*Scourge stops and stands up*

Scourge: "YOU just got SERVED, Nizzle!!!"

*runs away*

Vance: "Oh THAT'S not getting pretty old..."

*slams door, heads back to the monitor room to finish watching 'Mean Girls'*

SimonMoon5

05/09/2004, 16:02

Originally posted by DrmngCelestial
Really that character was also known as Shazam for a good part of his existence as DC and Marvel were fighting over who could be called "Captain" Marvel since Shazam did not appear in Marvel comics. DC also used Shazam when he came over from Fawcett Comics, around the time of the lawsuit.

So it's his name as well as his catchphrase.

Incorrect.

DC's Captain Marvel (who used to be Fawcett's Captain Marvel) was *never* known as Shazam. In fact, that would be pretty stupid if he ever was, since there's *another* character whose name *is* Shazam, namely Shazam the wizard who gave Billy Batson the power to transform into Captain Marvel by speaking the name of the wizard Shazam.

DC and Marvel never "fought" over who could be called Captain Marvel. Instead, Marvel trademarked the name "Captain Marvel" long after Fawcett had stopped publishing comics. Thus, when DC decided to use the Fawcett characters, while they could publish the adventures of a character named Captain Marvel, due to Marvel's claim on the trademark, they could *not* use the name "Captain Marvel" as the title of a comic book.

Thus, the name of Captain Marvel's comic book had to be something that did not include the phrase "Captain Marvel" (such as Fawcett's comic book "The Adventures of Captain Marvel). So, they had to come up with something else. And unfortunately, they chose a name that would have a huge impact on the ignorant masses for years to come. They called the comic book "With one magic word... Shazam!"

Now, *most* people would realize that "Shazam!" was the *magic word*. At least you would think that. But you can never go wrong underestimating the intelligence of the masses. Notice that "Shazam!" always has an exclamation point at the end of it, to indicate that it is something which is being said, not the name of the main character in the red costume. And, in fact, if you read *any* story featuring this character in the red costume, you will *never* find anyone *ever* referring to him as Shazam... because his name is "Captain Marvel" not "Shazam"... and there is *a completely different* character whose name is Shazam, namely the wizard Shazam who gave Billy Batson the power to become Captain Marvel (*not* the power to become Shazam, because that would be awfully confusing if there were *two* characters named Shazam, of course).

And then, there was Captain Marvel's live action TV show. Unfortunately, the evil empire which is Marvel Comics still had their trademark on the name "Captain Marvel," so the TV show ended up with the name "Shazam!" But never on the TV show was Captain Marvel called "Shazam"... because Shazam is not his name because his name is Captain Marvel. "Shazam!" was the magic word, not the name of the character in the red costume. Unfortunately, the wizard Shazam did not make an appearance on the TV show, replaced instead by the "Elders" whose names formed the acronym "Shazam" which is not the name of the character in the red costume.

Now, if you were to watch the "Shazam!" cartoon that came out not much later, you would be "treated" to a long introduction to the characters at the beginning of the show, that would explain all about the different characters and their magic words, and the big guy in the red costume's name is "Captain Marvel" and not Shazam, because Shazam is the name of the wizard who gave Billy Batson the power to transform into Captain Marvel by saying the name "Shazam" which is the name of the wizard, not the name of the big guy in the red costume.

Of course, if you were to buy any of the many toys offered during these years, such as the Superpowers action figure, the Mego action figure, the diecast vehicles, or even the various drinking glasses, you would see the word "Shazam!" (with exclamation point) in a big word balloon, which should suggest not that this is the name of the character in the red costume (which it is not), but rather a word that the character in the red costume might say from time to time. Unfortunately, advertisers are not great on clarity, leading to various misunderstandings by the ignorant masses that nobody should ever wish to be a part of.

Then came another comic series, "Shazam! A New Beginning". Once again, Shazam is the name of the wizard, not the name of the character in the red costume.

Then, after a graphic novel, Captain Marvel got a new series (which retconned the New Beginning). This series was called "The Power of Shazam," where again, Shazam is the name of the wizard who gave Billy Batson his powers, these powers being the powers of Shazam the wizard (and hence, the name of the comic). And again, since the wizard's name is Shazam, the character in the red costume's name is *not* Shazam but is instead Captain Marvel. In fact, in this series, the character formerly (and currently) known as Mary Marvel decided that she too would be known as Captain Marvel (and not Shazam, because that would be stupid).

Therefore, anyone calling Captain Marvel "Shazam" is pretty darn ignorant and worth reviling at every opportunity. Fortunately, I'm above that sort of thing myself. ;)

So, to sum up my rebuttal of everything you've said:

(1) Captain Marvel was *not* known as Shazam for a good part of his existence. He has *never* been known as Shazam (except by the truly ignorant).

(2) DC and Marvel did not fight over Captains Marvel.

(3) Um... well a lot of what you've written is, um, gibberish. The fact that Shazam did not appear in Marvel comics is the *reason* that DC and Marvel were fighting. Well, uh, I guess I can safely say that's not true.

(4) Shazam is not Captain Marvel's name. Shazam is the name of Shazam, who is a completely different character.

'Nuff said, true believer.

SimonMoon5

05/09/2004, 17:38

Originally posted by SimonMoon5
Fawcett's comic book "The Adventures of Captain Marvel).

Of course, I meant "Captain Marvel Adventures".

Sriad

05/09/2004, 18:42

quote:For Wolverine, the Imp works a little differently. The 5 or 6 roll means the attack missed (him dodging). The 2 reduced damage is him taking the hit and not stopping (he shrugs off hits like that all the time... like when he gets shot in the face and doesn't slow down). Kinda a stretch, but it still fits.

Ah, I get it now. Thanks. I'm not much interested in getting him though (and it is definitely not going to be affordable - a (non mailaway) Wolverine LE?!?) so I hope his popularity gets folk to shy away from the Scourge.

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I also can agree with wolvie having one click of impervious, and would like to see the same thing on Deadpool. ;)

My way of thinking of it is that these characters regenerate so fast that most normal attacks (knives, punches, assault rifles) don't even effect them, because they grow flesh back faster than it can get shot off.

But yea. I don't even know which draft LE I want more... Justice! is a really sweet 30 points, and James is gonna fill in the secondary-attack-flurry-BCFer slot that Logan's retirement will soon leave empty...

Thunderclese

05/09/2004, 21:03

So wait.... what's that guy in the red costume's name again? Shazam?;)

Bob

05/10/2004, 07:59

Originally posted by the itsy bit
well, I didn't notice that #$$#&$#%*( stupid dumm sculpt which is SUPPOSED to be Electro (boy, I hate Ultimates even more now !:angry: ).

the stats are nice, but why I the name of all that is holy did you have to make the ugly Ultimates sculpt instead of the immensely better green/gold Electro costume Wizkids ?!?

WHY ?:cry:

why ?:disappoin

:disappoin :(

the itsy bit,

My thoughts exactly - I'm still bummin' about Rhino and they throw THIS at me. Oh well, at least the Mysterio sculpt looks cool...

superfriend

05/10/2004, 08:18

Very disappointed that Electro is not the classic version.

juz

05/10/2004, 08:33

The Electro sculpt is horrid! I miss the green and gold duds :(

Bob

05/10/2004, 13:32

Does ANYONE (besides WizKids/Marvel) like the Ultimates version of Spidey villains? As a unque - fine, but don't do the sculpts in the Utlimate version and make them cover the regular Marvel Universe. It is a MAJOR disappointment for us collectors...

JacinB

05/10/2004, 13:48

Originally posted by superfriend
Very disappointed that Electro is not the classic version.
Originally posted by juz
The Electro sculpt is horrid! I miss the green and gold duds :(
Originally posted by Bob
Does ANYONE (besides WizKids/Marvel) like the Ultimates version of Spidey villains? As a unque - fine, but don't do the sculpts in the Utlimate version and make them cover the regular Marvel Universe. It is a MAJOR disappointment for us collectors...

Umm, this is the 'Ultimates' set, right?

Wouldn't it only, you know, make sense that characters in this set that have appeared in the Ultimate comic lines be the Ultimate version ... ?

If you dislike him so much, either a) don't spend money to get him, or b) mod him to look how you want him to. It's a pretty simple solution either way.

I'm perfectly content with this version. And the only gripe I've got about the sculpt is that the 'electric current' that he's got circling around him doesn't appear to be the clear blue plastic that we've seen on Iceman and Killer Frost ...

kitsunekaboom

05/10/2004, 14:13

I really don't want to see the LE:
"In brightest day, in darkest night, no evil shall escape my sight. For those that worship evil's might, beware my power...Green Lantern's LIGHT!" EVER.

kitsunekaboom

05/10/2004, 14:15

I also gripe about Electro, I wanted a classic Sinister Six, I've been waiting for it since I got in, and expected it to be finished in Critical Mass (I mean c'mon!) I'm not happy at all with this Electro. He looks okay, but he's not my Electro.

JacinB

05/10/2004, 14:22

Omigosh ... 'Ultimate' Electro in the 'Ultimates' set. Whodathunkit?!

Basil Elks

05/10/2004, 14:47

They look awesome, just too bad that it had to be the Ultimates Electro. :(

Bob

05/10/2004, 16:24

I just wanted to note that I am not griping about having Ultimate Electro - my gripe is when they use an Ultimate sculpt to represent the regular Marvel Universe.

I am primarily a collector (HeroClix and comic books) and what I'm looking for is representations of both, but if there is only going to be one, I want to be from the original Marvel Universe. If we are going to get the REAL Rhino and Electro in future sets, I'll be happy, but until then...

the itsy bit

05/10/2004, 17:01

exactly !!!

IF Wizkids would have made MY good old original green/gold Electro before Ultimates you wouldn't be hearing me aboot the Ultimates sculpt.

BUT just as with Rhino,Angel,the Frickking GREEN GOBLIN !!!!! and now Electro WK makes the god-awful Ultimates...
It's a good thing I got some people whom remod them for me otherwise I would be twice as pissed off ...:devious:

recap..
WK can make Ultimates and I will be fine with it AS LONG AS all the normal figs are being made first !!

At least we finally got an Electro...

JacinB

05/10/2004, 17:35

Originally posted by the itsy bit
BUT just as with Rhino,Angel,the Frickking GREEN GOBLIN !!!!! and now Electro WK makes the god-awful Ultimates...

News Flash: Angel is not the Ultimates version. He's the New X-Men version.

Just because he doesn't have shiny metal wings from the 1980s doesn't make him Ultimate, it makes him 'current'. He's the one you see each month in the regular X-Men family of titles.

Green Goblin's dial, arguably, doesn't represent either version of the character (ie: where's the Energy Explosion?), but he comes closer to representing the Ultimate character. Thus, the Ultimate figure.

Rhino? Well, there you may have a point. Ultimate Rhino appeared only as a part of a background story in part of maybe 4 pages of Ultimate Spider-Man. Why they chose to use that sculpt instead of the regular version of Rhino is beyond me, except for maybe the Ultimate version looking 'cooler' than the old one.

Regardless, the new set is going to be based upon the Ultimate Universe. People ought to be able to figure that out from the title of the expansion. Why people are complaining that the 'Ultimate' version of the characters are included in a set the is specifically about the Ultimate characters is completely beyond me ...

If you don't want the Ultimate versions, then just don't buy the Ultimates set. It seems simple enough, doesn't it?

Sit back and wait for your regular universe stuff to get made. Eventually, they're going to have to make (or re-make) all of the characters to keep the game alive. Have a little patience. Your day will come. It just won't be this June.

I Am The Game

05/10/2004, 20:08

Originally posted by JacinB
Regardless, the new set is going to be based upon the Ultimate Universe. People ought to be able to figure that out from the title of the expansion. Why people are complaining that the 'Ultimate' version of the characters are included in a set the is specifically about the Ultimate characters is completely beyond me ...

I think the majority opinion here is that Ultimate remakes of retired characters is a great way, if not the only way, to keep favorites in circulation. Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Magneto come to mind. New combos will sell the old figures, and keep people coming back for more. But to spit out a remake before you get the real deal? Not what the people want, plain and simple.

I agree with the itsy bit that Angel's New X-Men costume was not the way to go. I support Wizkids for putting out a quality product, and I blame Marvel for putting their fingers in it. The Wizkids boys can decide what the players want on their own without having big daddy Marvel looking over their shoulder making changes. We don't see this problem with DC, and they're putting out better sets because of it.

Sriad

05/10/2004, 20:14

"Why they chose to use that sculpt instead of the regular version of Rhino is beyond me, except for maybe the Ultimate version looking 'cooler' than the old one."

Yes, it just might be because the Ultimate Rhino looks better than Chunky Guy In A Grey Unitard Rhino. Maybe. ;)

But I do agree about Electro. 1: Happy to have him; 2: Normal Universe, in this particular case, would look better.

Frankly, I think it would be a hoot to have an ""In brightest day, in darkest night, no evil shall escape my sight. For those that worship evil's might, beware my power...Green Lantern's LIGHT!" generic GL LE, just to have a name that wraps all the way around the dial+, but I may be in the minority on that one.

Thunderclese

05/10/2004, 22:37

I'm sure the only reason they used "Justice is Served!" as the Scourge's name is because there were a bunch of Scourgi, and they were a bunch of nobodies (to the best of my knowledge).

the itsy bit

05/11/2004, 06:59

Originally posted by I Am The Game
I think the majority opinion here is that Ultimate remakes of retired characters is a great way, if not the only way, to keep favorites in circulation. Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Magneto come to mind. New combos will sell the old figures, and keep people coming back for more. But to spit out a remake before you get the real deal? Not what the people want, plain and simple.

exactely !!

I agree with the itsy bit that Angel's New X-Men costume was not the way to go. I support Wizkids for putting out a quality product, and I blame Marvel for putting their fingers in it. The Wizkids boys can decide what the players want on their own without having big daddy Marvel looking over their shoulder making changes. We don't see this problem with DC, and they're putting out better sets because of it.

yep, Angel misses something.

BUT It isn't Marvels fault, they provide the license. Marvel DOES NOT have a say in which figures Wizkids are going to make (the Frequent five are NOT made by contract !!) and how to make them (Costume,version).

the blame lies solely with WK.

like you and I said Ultimates is 50% reprint and 50% old figs, so ALL reprinted figs should be Ultimates and all other/new figs shouldn't be.

It's a mystery to me why WK can on the one hand make an Awesome Mysterio and then proceed by insulting us with such an ugly Electro sculpt.