Join The Lord Of The Rings Clan [Archive]

Gentlegamer

05/13/2004, 23:12

Originally posted by St-Dumas
Im new to clans, but can anyone join? if so, i'm gonna be Aragorn/Strider.

Anyone can join, but you must contribute to the subject at hand: comport yourself as Aragorn and dunedan (Man of the West) and discuss Lord of the Rings and Middle-earth.

What name was Aragorn called as a child and what does the name mean?

Glorfindel

05/13/2004, 23:16

Cool, can I be... Glorfindel!?

Gentlegamer, I'm not sure who wrote that poem, but its refering to Aragorn.

Gentlegamer

05/13/2004, 23:22

Bilbo Baggins wrote the poem about Aragorn.

Glorfindel, you looked kinda girlish in the film . . . :grin:

St-Dumas

05/13/2004, 23:24

In that case, ill be Gollum (Not smeagol), cause i dont know that much about aragorn

Glorfindel

05/13/2004, 23:27

Tell me about it! Very dissapointed about Arwen stealing Glorfindels role.

A bit of trivia about Glorfindel, he is actually the one who told the prophecy that no man would kill the Witch King.

Gentlegamer

05/13/2004, 23:41

Originally posted by St-Dumas
In that case, ill be Gollum (Not smeagol), cause i dont know that much about aragorn

Don't chicken out! Read Lord of the Rings and learn about the character!

St-Dumas

05/13/2004, 23:51

ill stick with MPD Man (MPD, Multiple Personality Disorder)

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 00:28

I'll be Aragorn. I think he was called the Child of Light if translated from Elven language. I really can't remember because I read the book a long time ago.

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 00:30

Am I in? I want to be Aragorn, if not then I won't join, thanks anyway.

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 00:32

We thinks your in, but wes do not knows. Weonly wants, the precious.

Glorfindel

05/14/2004, 00:37

Aragorn was called 'Estel' while growing up Imladris (Rivendell) which means 'hope.'

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 00:40

Then St-Dumas, my friend, I suggest you ask Frodo for your precious. But be warned, loathsome one, Frodo is under my protection. He has my sword (not literally, of course). Not one touches my sword, only the true king of Gondor can weild my preciousssss sword. ####! You're contagious with that "my precious" thing

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 00:43

Originally posted by Glorfindel
Aragorn was called 'Estel' while growing up Imladris (Rivendell) which means 'hope.'
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I've been called a lot of names and I believe that is one of them.

FOR GONDOR!!! and Frodo

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 00:43

cool...PRECIOUS!!! Oh, and we is called Gollum.

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 00:53

Do not lecture the true king of Gondor!! You may be called Gollum but I pronounce thee, the loathsome one or disgusting one. Take your pick, it matters not. Your time will come and when it does take Frodo's finger but not mine MUWAHHHhahahaha

Glorfindel

05/14/2004, 00:57

Aragorn was called Thorongil when he fought for Denethors father in Gondor.

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 00:59

You insulted us!
Ignore him, he's ignorant. you'll bes our new friend.
Shut up! you have no friends!
well im trying to have one, but you keeps butting in
(fighting between each other)
SMEAGOL SAYS BE HIS FRIEND!!!

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 01:01

Enough about me! I am humbled by your knowledge of me. I have forgotten most of my adventures (meaning I read the book a long time ago) and the king of Gondor would never permit anyone to speak about yours truly especially if I have forgotten it.

MUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! (This is how a true king should laugh)

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 01:04

Under dire circumstances, the true king of Gondor can be "friends" with you, my loathsome one. But I do not like the way you look at Arwen. Ceased it or you will look at my blade on your throat.

MUWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 01:20

St-Dumas: You have sereous jealousy issues.
Smeagol: I agree with the master.
Gollum: She has the precious!!!
St-Dumas: Shut ur god ham mouth, you idiot.
Smeagol: Yes, listen to the master!
(More fighting)

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 01:26

Ah, loathsome one, the king of Gondor agrees with you. Arwen has "my Precioussss", if you know what I mean. MUWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Tom1210

05/14/2004, 01:29

I am tired of being the ruler of Gondor. I will become Strider for the moment and sneak on Arwen to get "my precioussss". MUWAAHAH..oops. Strider will be silent now.

<Sneaking towards Arwen's bed chambers>

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 01:58

St-Dumas: God i...sorry, WE hate you, you horny little schidt head!!!

Gentlegamer

05/14/2004, 08:24

Originally posted by Tom1210
I'll be Aragorn. I think he was called the Child of Light if translated from Elven language. I really can't remember because I read the book a long time ago.

Incorrect!

Aragorn's identity was hidden as a child, and he was called "Estel" meaning "hope."

Gentlegamer

05/14/2004, 08:27

Why was the light in the glass Galadriel gave Frodo so potent?

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 13:28

More people must joins us, if they wants the prrrrrrreciousss.

St-Dumas

05/14/2004, 20:32

JOIN THE LOTR CLAN!!!:mad:

Gentlegamer

05/15/2004, 22:04

What did Elrond tell Aragorn he must become before he could wed Arwen?

St-Dumas

05/16/2004, 13:52

King of Gondor

Gentlegamer

05/16/2004, 16:24

Originally posted by St-Dumas
King of Gondor

Partly right. What else must Aragorn become before he may wed Arwen Undomiel?

SinisterManus

05/16/2004, 17:53

i'll be boromir
ACK!! ARROWS!! URUK-HAI!!

St-Dumas

05/16/2004, 20:58

Leader of Men? I dont really now...PRECIOUSSSS!!!

Tom1210

05/17/2004, 00:53

I do not remember Elrond telling me anything. Bah! It does not matter to the king of Gondor! Arwen belongs to me, she is my Preciousssss..........MUWAAHAHAHAHA!!!

St-Dumas

05/17/2004, 00:56

I hate you so much you smug little stinking son of a pitch!

Tom1210

05/17/2004, 01:03

Originally posted by St-Dumas
I hate you so much you smug little stinking son of a pitch!

Ah, loathsome one. I see, you finally have the courage to speak to the king of Gondor in that tone. I do not take offense in your language, black one, because I know you are incapable of kind language.

Are you jealous of the king of Gondor? Arwen can never be yours, loathsome one. Just stick to your ring and Frodo and stay away from my Preciousssss.....MUWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

SITHSPAWN

05/17/2004, 01:06

I'll be THE BALROG if it is still available.

St-Dumas

05/17/2004, 01:50

Aragorn,
I dont know where you get your pot, but you are a flaming idiot. You will go to hell and be tortured til it freezes over. May god have your sinful soul, you schidt headed bass turd.

Tom1210

05/17/2004, 02:46

Originally posted by St-Dumas
Aragorn,
I dont know where you get your pot, but you are a flaming idiot. You will go to hell and be tortured til it freezes over. May god have your sinful soul, you schidt headed bass turd.
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What ever happened to your accent, loathsome one? I don't hear any "My preciousssss" anymore Hahahaha

Gentlegamer

05/17/2004, 08:26

Tom, St. Dumuas: you ARE NOT behaving in a manner appropriate for Lord of the Rings, unless your goal is to act like Orcs, then you are acting correctly. Stop the nonsense!

Elrond told Aragorn that "no Man less than the king of both Arnor and Gondor may wed Arwen Undomiel."

The next day Aragorn left Imladris for 30 years to spy on the machinations of the Enemy and prepare for the day when he would go to war on the marches of Mordor . . . to win the hand of Arwen in marriage. Romance in its best form!

Gentlegamer

05/17/2004, 08:28

Yesterday, I obtained a book of lore from the great library of Minas Arnor. It is the letters of Professor Tolkien . . . I shall be busy reading!

St-Dumas

05/17/2004, 17:58

Gentlegamer,
St-Dumas: I'm not an orc!
Smeagol: Wes not an orc!
Gollum: Maybe i'm not an orc.
St-Dumas: Did you just insult me?
Gollum:...IT WAS HIM! (Pointing to Smeagol)
Smeagol: Why you little ****ing ****-headed *****!!! Ill cut of your ****ing head!!!
(Even more fighting)

CommissarYarik

05/18/2004, 19:20

can i be random orc #15967?

Gentlegamer

05/18/2004, 21:37

I feel like Gandalf dealing with obnoxious Tooks . . .

St-Dumas

05/19/2004, 13:47

YOU #######!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!! YOU #######!!!:angry:

SinisterManus

05/19/2004, 15:24

ok........calm down.......take a few deep breaths.....

St-Dumas

05/19/2004, 16:58

CALM? CALM?!?!?! I'LL SHOW YOU CALM YOU (Gollm Profanities)

(More Gollum Profanities)

ClixerChase22

01/02/2005, 03:16

Ill Be Sam!

ClixerChase22

01/02/2005, 03:18

Frodo! Hes mad, MadI tell you! Hes planning to kill us!

petenbailey9

01/02/2005, 04:06

I'll be Eowyn....

Elizabeth, Heroclix Enabler

GAMBIT_99

01/02/2005, 16:45

i'll be Legolas Greenleaf, sindar elf of the Woodland realm of Mirkwood

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 12:38

At the beginning of this Age, all clans were moved to the Clan Forum.

Something that should not have been forgotten was left behind.

Darkness crept back into the circles of the forum. Whispers of a nameless fear.

One day, ClixerChaser22 found what had been lost, and the tides of fate began to flow.

Behold, the RETURN OF THE CLAN!

ONE CLAN TO RULE THEM ALL

EmperorNorton

01/03/2005, 12:44

And since every clan needs a mystery I'll join as Tom Bombadil. :grin:

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:00

With your avatar, I'd think you were a ninja!

Who do you think Tom Bombadil was?

EmperorNorton

01/03/2005, 13:04

I will honour Tolkien's words and say that Tom Bombadil is Tom Bombadil.

(In my opinion the theory that he was one of the Vala has some merit, though.)

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:14

Well, Tolkien didn't know who Strider was when he was introduced, and although he said that Bombadil was no more than he seemed, it is possible that he subconsciously meant him to be or signify more.

I think the theory that Bombadil is Aule has some merit.

Another way to think of it is in terms of the underlying them of Lord of the Rings that it is the "true" tale from which many legends and fairy stories have emerged. Example: Atlantis = Numenore, Sleeping Beauty = Eowyn

thedon99

01/03/2005, 13:16

I want Gimli. Is he available still?

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:21

Originally posted by thedon99
I want Gimli. Is he available still? Only if you bring to the clan dwarvish lore and character.

What happened to Gimli after the War of the Ring?

EmperorNorton

01/03/2005, 13:22

How is Eowyn=Sleepong Beauty?
That one is new for me.

You're quite right about Tolkien's comment about Bombadil, though. One of my teachers at University always says that the author doesn't matter at all when you are looking at a text, and from the text we can gather several theories. There'll never be a definite answer, though.

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:27

Eowyn is overcome by the Black Breath on the Pelannor Fields. She lays in the Houses of Healing until Aragorn tends to her. The last part of his treatment is a gentle kiss on her forehead. She then wakes from her dark slumber.

EmperorNorton

01/03/2005, 13:30

Okay, I see the similarities.
But there's only one dwarf involved and that even only remotely so.

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:34

The true story was changed from telling to telling until we have the "current" version. :)

Here are some more:
The Rangers of Ithilien/Faramir's company = Robin Hood and his Merry Men

Valinor = Avalon

Gandalf = Odin

Inbetweener

01/03/2005, 13:39

The extended version of Return of the King has some great new Orc and Witch King footage...as I did when reading the books, I was again livid to see the Witch King dispatched so easily...especially considering we don't understand the power of the sword she wields in the movie. With that said is this a "I'm ____ because he's my favorite charecter!"-Clan (in which case I humbly request to fill the role of the Witch King) or a "Let's talk at great length about these amazing stories"-Clan?

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 13:43

I'm trying with all my strength to steer it towards the latter. Appropriate, considering that I'm Gandalf. :)

Inbetweener

01/03/2005, 14:16

Did anyone else see a problem with the Witch King of Angmar(ahem....me) breaking Gandalf's staff? I was always under the impression that it was a huge aspect of his power and that Sauron was the only one with more power than Gandalf.

Anyway, I'd also be perfectly happy to be the Orcish negotiator who taunted Aragorn and Gandalf with Frodo's mythril chainmail as evidence he is dead (which of couse he wasn't)...the one who gets his head lopped off for being just about as evil as you can be.

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 14:24

Originally posted by Inbetweener
Did anyone else see a problem with the Witch King of Angmar(ahem....me) breaking Gandalf's staff? I was always under the impression that it was a huge aspect of his power and that Sauron was the only one with more power than Gandalf. Yes, that was bad because it is Gandalf who is capable of withstanding the Nazgul and their fell captain. The breaking of the staff is very significant, but I don't think they realized what it signified. In all, it wasn't a big deal to me since it should have been ONLY the Witch-king to pass into the city. No other foe has ever breached the Tower of Guard.

Anyway, I'd also be perfectly happy to be the Orcish negotiator who taunted Aragorn and Gandalf with Frodo's mythril chainmail as evidence he is dead (which of couse he wasn't)...the one who gets his head lopped off for being just about as evil as you can be. Good to see this scene in the extended film. A problem is: that is no Orc. The negotiator is a Man, a Black Numenorean, a man of Westernesse that worshiped Sauron during the Black Years. He is similar to the nine kings that became the Nazgul. He learned great sorcery from Sauron and became the Lieutenant of Barad-dur, and having been in Sauron's evil service so long that he had forgotten his own name and said only, "I am the Mouth of Sauron." I don't think he should have been so "disfigured" and instead seemed much more of an actual man.

St-Dumas

01/03/2005, 16:33

...PRECIOUS!!!

Inbetweener

01/03/2005, 16:57

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
Good to see this scene in the extended film. A problem is: that is no Orc. The negotiator is a Man, a Black Numenorean, a man of Westernesse that worshiped Sauron during the Black Years. He is similar to the nine kings that became the Nazgul. He learned great sorcery from Sauron and became the Lieutenant of Barad-dur, and having been in Sauron's evil service so long that he had forgotten his own name and said only, "I am the Mouth of Sauron." I don't think he should have been so "disfigured" and instead seemed much more of an actual man.

My friends were questioning this exact thing while watching the extended version and asked me. My trusted opinion was valued but apparently wrong as online sources verify exactly what you've said above. Looks like I have some appologizing to do.

This was one of those pleasant surprise inclusions in the extended version...what a great and disgusting villain.

Gentlegamer

01/03/2005, 18:42

I take it, Inbetweener, you have not read The Lord of the Rings . . .

EmperorNorton

01/04/2005, 08:22

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
The breaking of the staff is very significant, but I don't think they realized what it signified.
Please, just please don't elaborate.
It aims at the same point as the reforging of the blade that was borken, right?

Inbetweener

01/04/2005, 09:56

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
I take it, Inbetweener, you have not read The Lord of the Rings . . .

Actually I have (although not entirely) and don't respect the books as much as most...possible a mix of ADD and laziness...from what I remember The Mouth of Sauron sequence in the book is dramatically different that what we see in the film and I think it's only like three pages...either way I was a bit lost on the discription that he was a man and I just saw the extended version recently...I thought he was sort of a dark counterpart to Aragorn and not really human from the beginning. It's been years since I've focused on reading fiction so I wasn't as into it as I would've wished and I didn't recall being overly impressed either despite noting the huge influence these books had on fiction in general...I hope this doesn't disqualify me from your clan as I'd have to guess that very few posters here have read these books.

GAMBIT_99

01/06/2005, 19:28

the mouth of sauron scene didn't have as much impact as in the book because everyone knows frodo is alive and in the plains of gorgoroth but when you read the book you do not know wheter the mouth of sauron is telling the truth or lying. That's why it was cut from the theatrical version.

Gentlegamer

01/07/2005, 11:37

The could have cut the film so that the fate of Frodo is in doubt when the Messenger appears to confront the lords of the West.

EmperorNorton

01/07/2005, 15:34

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
The could have cut the film so that the fate of Frodo is in doubt when the Messenger appears to confront the lords of the West.
Sure. They could also have kept the elves out of Helm's Deep or not blown up Arwen's part in the story....but for whatever reason they friggin didn't. :devious:

GAMBIT_99

01/07/2005, 15:37

that's what iI would of liked but then the time frame of the story would be messed up because in the books the section of shelob and frodo getting captured is taking place during the siege of gondor. Another problem although minor is that the mouth of sauron has the mithril which is obtained through the whole urkhai orc civil war at cirith ungol and to make the mouth of sauron scene work would have been to much of a pause for the cirith ungol scene. Though the mouth of sauron scene had less impact than the book i am very pleased that p.j added it to the extended version

GAMBIT_99

01/12/2005, 21:50

so how many of you have Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth

Gentlegamer

01/14/2005, 13:20

Originally posted by EmperorNorton
Sure. They could also have kept the elves out of Helm's Deep or not blown up Arwen's part in the story....but for whatever reason they friggin didn't. :devious: Arwen's enlarged role in the events of the film and the change of Aragorn's character wasn't that big a deal. They took things out of the appendix and meshed it into the main narrative. I think it worked pretty well.

The elves at Helm's Deep were ridiculous. They arrive to show "solidarity" with Men? Where were the elves at the siege of Minas Tirith? The assault on the Morannon? We who have read the book know that there were other major battles taking place concurrently, so that accounts for the elves absence, but doesn't make sense when they arrive at Helm's Deep but not the "main show." As a note, Jackson revealed on the DVD commentary for Return of the King that they toyed with the idea of showing short segments of battle at Lorien vs. the forces of Dol Guldar and the battle in Dale. They ultimately decided it would interupt the main action too much and perhaps confuse the audience. I think it may have been a good idea, especially to show the scope of the War of the Ring in the absense of the Scouring of the Shire.

I'm just glad they didn't have Arwen at Helm's Deep, as the originally planned. Thank the Valar that the test audiences screamed at that footage!

EmperorNorton

01/14/2005, 13:32

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
I'm just glad they didn't have Arwen at Helm's Deep, as the originally planned. Thank the Valar that the test audiences screamed at that footage!
I completely agree.

I obviously also agree that the elves at Helm's Deep were incredibly stupid. The example of Legolas shows us that they are absolutely deadly with the bow, but those dweebs throw themselves into close combat at first opportunity? I hate them, especially since the documentary on the extended dvd shows how Jackson and his crew pat themselves on the back for the "great" idea to include them.

BadAxe1

01/30/2005, 09:04

I know what you guys mean, but on the other hand to much accuracy with the books and everyone would've spent an hour singing about their lineage before a fight could start. Can't you just see LOTR: the musical.
I do wish they'd done at least an abridged version of the scouring of the Shire though.

I assume someone has seen the latest extended version included in the Trilogy boxed set. PM me some mild spoilers. Just as in what thwey put back in and if it worked wel with the rest of the film. Please PM though. Some folks like to be suprised, but I was always the nosy kid tearing little peep holes in the wrapping paper the week before Christmas.

"Break the dishes, crack the plates, that what Bilbo Baggins hates!"

St-Dumas

01/30/2005, 20:32

Hey. I just got the precious (Return of the King Extended DVD), and it's friggen sweet! You guys should get it.

EmperorNorton

01/31/2005, 07:31

I bought it the day it came out and I love it. RotK is my favourite among the movies. Just have to love the Rohirrim.

Gentlegamer

01/31/2005, 08:23

I don't think discussing the Extended Version would be inappropriate here. This is a clan for Lord of the Rings, after all.

BadAxe1

02/04/2005, 05:33

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
I don't think discussing the Extended Version would be inappropriate here. This is a clan for Lord of the Rings, after all.

Arrggghh! Then why doesn't someone do it! Do I have to prod you people every step of the way? Do I really have to become the new Thugit?

Nah, just kidding. Seriously though, someone share a spoiler or two. I would like to know if the deleted scenes add to the story in a significant way before I go out and plop down my hard earned $$ for it.

EmperorNorton

02/04/2005, 06:27

My problem in discussing the Extended Version is that I don't know which scenes were added when watching it. I have a bad memory regarding movies.
There are some very nice extended scenes covering the Path of the Dead and the corsairs of Umbar, a funny little drinking game between Gimli and Legolas and the questionable depiction of Sauron's mouth.

Gentlegamer

02/04/2005, 11:28

@BA: the extended versions of the films add significant character moments, and nice interpretations from the book. Return of the King is no different. I recommend it.

@EN: The booklet listing the chapters tell you which are added scenes and which are extended scenes.

Here are the significant extended parts:
The Voice of Saruman (Gandalf confronts Saruman at Orthanc and casts him from the Order of Wizards)
The Fallen King (Frodo, Sam, and Gollum at the Crossroads see the statue of the king with flowers about its brow)
The Mouth of Sauron (the Host of the West meets the Lieutenant of Barad-dur and is shown the mithril coat, implying that Frodo has been captured)
The Last Debate (Aragorn looks into the Palantir of Orthanc and shows Sauron the Sword Reforged, Anduril, Flame of the West)
The Paths of the Dead (skull avalanche!)
The Houses of Healing (Faramir and Arwyn fall in love and mend each other's heart)