View Full Version : Movie Battles: Tournament Of Champions LW Division: Round 1, Match 2
Well, as close as the battle was in most of our minds, the voting total didnt show nearly that even a match. In the end, Ash and his combination Boomstick and Chainsaw hand won the day over a half human/half alien Ripley. Thus far, Ash advances to Round 2, but which of these next two can say the same?
Ill post the rules here again, just so we get used to the slightly different game mechanics of this Tournament.
For the most part the rules here will be the same as all of my other battles and tournaments. Each character must fight their opponent, to the Death or KO, whichever is preferred. Since it is only a one on one battle, and not a team brawl, and were only in the Light Weight Division, the arena will be approximately 1 mile wide (same as the LW TOC for the Comics Universe)
Now while there will be no time to plan this time out, were going to do something alittle different at the start of each battle here. Each of the characters will have their opponent’s movies directly and instantaneously uploaded into their brains before each fight. (ala The Matrix) This will allow each character to know what the other can do, how they act, their strengths and weaknesses, etc. (This also eliminates any character around before the birth of guns and explosives being slaughters by such characters, due to not knowing what the heck that little metal object in Han Solos or Ashs hands is.)
Another change is this, all the combatants will start 1 mile apart, each at the opposite ends of their environment, unable to see the other combatant at the battles start.
REMEMBER, these characters should be judged and voted on ONLY due to what they’ve done in the MOVIES. Any comic books, TV shows, cartoons, anything else regarding these characters DOES NOT MATTER, and SHOULD NOT be used to defend such character.
And Please, try to vote on what the characters can and cant do, over someone from your favorite movie. Thanks all.
I believe everything else is normal TOC rules and regulations.
So without further adieu, allow me to present your next battle in a BRAND NEW type of Tournament Of Champions:
MAD MAX (MAD MAX SERIES)
VS.
THE BRIDE (KILL BILL SERIES)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Construction Site – Half cluttered construction area, filled with such equipment and machines, a few semi finished buildings, half all around fairly open area.
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
MOVIE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
ROUND 1
Ash vs. Cloned Ripley: Ash
Mad Max vs. The Bride: ??????
Maniac_nmt
05/15/2004, 17:18
Mad Max. Old school beats hopped up new wave junk.
Kill Bill was hardly junk. The first Mad Max was AWFUL. The next two were only decent because of the comedy value provided by them. The Bride walks away with this one.
The Road Warrior (Mad Max 2) had Comedy Value???
I vote Mad Max
Mad Max has a gun, The Bride has a sword, ergo Mad Max shoots The Bride.
"There's been too much pain, too much suffering, just walk away" pretty much made that movie for me, I still say it when people are deciding whether or not to press the offensive on me in clicks.
So in your mind Rando, a character with a gun will always beat a character with no ranged weapons here?
Im not asking because I support The Bride, I havent seen Kill Bill, so I wont be voting here, Im just curious at your reasoning there. Aragorn will lose to John MacClane? Zorro will lose to Connor MacManus?
Just sparking alittle discussion here, please take no offense at my question.
So long as the gunman is able to hit his target most of the time then yes. I dunno anything about John MacClane or Connor MacManus, but if they have fireamrs and can use them well enough to be in this competition then they should beat anyone without a ranged weapon more often then not. Aragon has a bow so he has a chance, but any just swordsman will always fail to get my vote over a gunman. Technology wins fights.
I agree for the most part, but also keep in mind their fighting terrain, their experience and intellect, and the fact that each combatant KNOWS what the other can do, and how much damage they can inflict. All of these are tremendous factors in addition to gun vs. sword.
Prof. Aragorn
05/15/2004, 17:57
The bride is good when it comes to close combat, mad Max has a gun, if she can get in close combat, then it's over and since she knows he has a gun and what he can do with it, she'll take cover in the construction site and has a pretty good chance on getting the drop on him.
I vote the bride (noticed I've voted for the chicks?:p )
And Aragorn would SO beat anybody!
brendanbrown
05/15/2004, 17:58
well, she gets shot in the head point blank and lives(albeit, was in a coma for 4 years), so I dont think a couple of pop shots from max is going to put her down. the construction site will help her with cover, so max will most likely have to get close. It is all over after that, she cuts two limbs off, and gives him that "those of you who still have your lives, leave now, but leave what limbs you have lost, they belong to me now." speech. :grin:
Vote: the Bride
Hmm... yea, the site does favor her.
Although I note that while she's good at surviving being shot, she wasn't in any condition to fight either time she got seriously shot. She did ignore minor wounds pretty well, though (like Go-Go's chain mace), so less than a critical hit probably won't stop her, and combined with the short ranges... Tentitive vote for the Bride.
Yeah terrain is important, but the only terrains that I think provide nough cover for a sneak attack are the jungle and city. This one has too may see through areas, if Max were to take a service elevator to the top of the site, or just climb it, then he would have a birds eye view of just about everywhere, and he couldn't be snuck up on there. I'm betting that he can wait out The Bride as well since he spends his days roaming around a post-apocalyptic wasteland full of hostile crazies, meaning he probably has to go without food or sleep for days at a time on occasion.
Maniac_nmt
05/15/2004, 18:12
max's hand cannon, even on a graze, isn't going to cause a flesh wound. It's going to knock the hell out of anyone.
The real question here, are do guys like Max and Bond get their cars, which are standard equipment for them. In an open environment that could get messy.
HA, sorry, no cars for our guys here, Maniac.
I put in a tentative vote for Mad Max. He has police training, has been toughened by years in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where everyone is trying to kill you, is a very good shot with his guns and quite decent in melee combat as well, and is one amazingly tricky guy. The Bride is a single-minded killing machine, one of the best pure melee combatants in this tournament, and can take a ton of punishment. In the end, I think, it comes down to the fact that Max will drop her before she gets close and the Bride will have a very hard time stopping the bullets and explosives.
Just to throw this out there, are we talking the Bride prior to, or after, the end of Kill Bill 2?
supermangl1
05/15/2004, 18:40
I say the construction site will give the Bride the edge. Mad Max wasn't all that great of a fighter, survivor yes, hth no. So I think she will get the edge over Mad Max, by getting in close. Plus the bright yellow outfit will momentarily stun Max who who comes from the land of drab colors.
my vote = The Bride
Thwap Man
05/15/2004, 18:48
I'm putting my tentative vote with The Bride. I think even Max may be a little intimidated after seeing her take down all them ninjas in the restaurant (88 of them?). Also, I think she has the patience to set this fight to her advantage.
eltigrediablo
05/15/2004, 19:06
Sure, Max has a gun...but does he have any shells? And if he does, do they even work anymore?
The Bride charges, Max takes aim, his post-apocalyptic gun misfires, and the Bride cuts him into 20 evenly-sized chunks. This movie fight could be over before the title credits ended.
chase_jyd
05/15/2004, 19:20
This terrain not only provides cover, it provides potential differing elevations. The Bride has a lot to work with here in terms of staying away from the gun and finding a way to get the drop on her opponent. In a lot of terrains and in a lot of circumstances I'd vote for Max. But here, I'd say it turns into close combat at some point, and she has the big advantage there.
Vote :The Bride, with a big assist from terrain
MadHatter
05/15/2004, 19:41
The Bride. She's just incredibly brutal, not to mention stealthy and cunning. I like our crazy Aussie here, but the terrain will allow Miss Kiddo to get the drop on him, and if she's within sword distance, he's already dead.
With a more open environment I might favor Max. But The Bride is much more agile & mobile than "I have to wear a knee-brace" Max. In this environment she's going to get to HtH. And while he can take a beating, Max just isn't the close-combat monster that Black Mamba is.
The Bride to round 2.
i know who the bride is but can i please have info on max?
Fat Ninja
05/15/2004, 20:15
The Bride
Her assassin training and the terrain allow her to avoid being shot and get in close to Max, where her far superior fighting skills have her prevail.
(88 of them?).
"Nah, they just called themselves that."
bluebeetle
05/15/2004, 20:21
mad max
i know who the bride is but can i please have info on max?
Post apocalyptic road warrior. Guns & Badass.
Silver Lantern
05/15/2004, 20:32
The road warrior no doubt!
My vote: Mad Max!
ninja_pie_joe
05/15/2004, 20:33
Mad Max
VandalSavage
05/15/2004, 20:43
I vote...Mad Max!
Mr. Savage
Gentlegamer
05/15/2004, 21:05
Mad Max!
Supamain
05/15/2004, 21:31
" Two men in, one man out!! "
I vote Max.
Maniac_nmt
05/15/2004, 22:37
it could just as easily be said that the bride would get quesy when she see's max leave a guy next to a car about to blow with a hacksaw. Saying he can either hack off his limb, or die when the car explodes.
Something snapped when his wife and child died, and Max is not someone to mess with.
The bride didn't only use a sword, she used a gun and throwing knives... dependind on her arsenal, my vote goes to
THE BRIDE
KMagefyre
05/15/2004, 23:04
The real showdown.... Pu$$y Wagon vs. Mad Max's car? :cheeky:
This one's sickly close. Max could have alot of fun w/ that construction equipment (he's proven very machine-savvy in the movies). However, in terms of training (and use of that training), I hafta give it to The Bride... she's a combat-savvy assassin, and while Max is more of a hands-on guy, he's basically just a street brawler with good aim. Even his police training isn't much of a match for The Bride's skill. Both are emotional screwups, so they'll both hang in for a darn long time... but I hafta give it to The Bride.
Magoogles
05/15/2004, 23:21
I have to go with the Bride also, she has too much of an edge with the terrain
I think the Bride takes this one. She's got years of assassin training, specifically in a world where guns are commonplace. The fact that she's still alive after having killed so many people is a testament to her ability to handle people with guns. Mad Max is definately a tough survivor, but the Bride was trained purely for the purpose to kill. Max would probably win if this were a battle to survive environmental conditions (although the Bride has proven herself very tough as well), but in a fight, I think the Bride would win.
In hindsight, I think it would probably have been better to split these tournaments (at least in the lightweight/middleweight divisions) into ranged, close combat, and mixed categories as technology really does have a major effect here where the contestants won't really be bullet-proof or be moving fast enough to dodge bullets.
My vote for The Bride.
Perfectstorm
05/16/2004, 00:19
Max is going to take this on enviorment alone.
A half made place, with rocks,dust, and equipment anywhere? Seems like the World Max lives in.
I can see max finishing her off by hitting her with a Dump Truck, or smashing her with a steel grate, or even trapping her in cement. This Enviorment is too improvisational, which assassins hate, and Someone like Mad max loves. This is a 51/49 battle, which Max takes cuase of the enviorment, and a range advantage.
Originally posted by Esper3k
In hindsight, I think it would probably have been better to split these tournaments (at least in the lightweight/middleweight divisions) into ranged, close combat, and mixed categories as technology really does have a major effect here where the contestants won't really be bullet-proof or be moving fast enough to dodge bullets.
My vote for The Bride.
Yet even with this argument, you vote for the low tech character with a sword over the high tech with a shotgun?
I agree, this environment DOES favor Max, as it is almost a mirror image to the Post WWIII world he lives in and around.
Still cant vote, since I havent seen Kill Bill, but an environment with some terrain doesnt auotmatically give the a Disadvantage against the ranged character. Some characters are born and bred in certain arenas, as Rambo would be in the forest or jungle, or The Man With No Name would be in the Badlands, and I feel this half finished construction site gives the same bonus to Max overall.
Mad Max - 10 votes
The Bride - 15 votes
Yeah, I voted for the Bride because I think her skills outweigh the technology advantage. However, with two people, one with a gun, one with a sword, both equally skilled, I would have to vote for the one with the gun. I just think that the advantage a gun gives in the lightweight category in particular is one that a low tech character will have a very difficult time of overcoming.
Beatrix Kiddo for the win.
("The Bride's" real name, in case you missed it in the movie ;))
gryphonred
05/16/2004, 02:49
The Bride wins.
I have seen both Volumes of kill bill and i think Mad Max can take her. If you have seen the second kill bill you'll know what happens when she faces a gun. I dont know how she survived that shotgun blast but she was still out of it. My vote mad max because She doesnt have the motivation to kill him.
Originally posted by odieses
I have seen both Volumes of kill bill and i think Mad Max can take her. If you have seen the second kill bill you'll know what happens when she faces a gun. I dont know how she survived that shotgun blast but she was still out of it. My vote mad max because She doesnt have the motivation to kill him.
What happens to her when she faces a gun she wasn't expecting. Big difference between the two situations ;)
And if you paid attention, you'd have heard Budd say that it was rock salt.
Ok point taken but how dumb are you to bust in threw the front door of a trailor of a redneck. Thats just askin to be shot. Rock salt should have done so much more than what it did especially at that range i think it should have killed her. All in all it was one of the dumbest things ive seen a supposedly best assasin do. Dont get me started on the coming out of the ground scene total BS.
going with the bride.
and anyone who's seen volume two knows.... beatrix carried her sword *and* a gun when she went after bill.
who's to say she doesn't have it here.
maybe when these fights start we should know what equipment these two have on them. better than us guessing..... i mean is max driving his car and the bride is on foot? is the bride on her bike?
Dr. Morbius
05/16/2004, 08:57
In Kill Bill Vol.2 we saw how easily the bride can be taken out with a gun...my vote is for Mad Max!
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Mad Max. Old school beats hopped up new wave junk.
What he said.
Maximcards
05/16/2004, 10:05
I'll Go with Mad Max
Sgt.Hatch
05/16/2004, 10:50
I'm going with the bride
The terrain and knowledge of Max will give her the win.
But keep in mind, Max has the same knowledge of her, and hes spend YEARS in environments almost exactly like this. Again, just because an environment has a decent amount of objects in it, doesnt automatically mean its a Disadvantage for the ranged fighter. Max knows areas and situations like this, so I seriously doubt shes going to get the environament bonus against Max here.
Mad Max - 14 votes
The Bride - 20 votes
Maniac_nmt
05/16/2004, 14:53
when you get right down to it, this environment is almost tailor made for max, almost as much as the Badlands will be for The Man With No Name.
I think the greatest challenge to Rockatansky is that he hasn't benefitted from a big movie in about twenty years.The Bride is flavor of the month and let's see if anybody cares about her in twenty years as Tarantino is speculating.The Bride has grit and I give it to her for spunk,but Max-he's the man who keeps Mr.Dead in his pocket!
I vote the Bronze
SpakSpang
05/16/2004, 17:00
If Mad Max is allowed his gun then I will vote Mad Max. He has ranged options, and then also he is a skilled fighter as well.
StilettoHawaii
05/16/2004, 17:01
Mad Max
Well, just 3 votes seperates these two combatants now. Looks like this match just got alot more interesting.
Jackygobang
05/16/2004, 20:47
I'm going with Max.
He's tough as hell, has the loner bad ### thing down pat, has range and terrain advantage. B.K. is more skilled to a rediculous degree, but Max's advantages should make it about even. I gotta go with William Wallace...er.....Max.
Originally posted by Jackygobang
I gotta go with William Wallace
William Wallace to beat Mia Wallace, eh? ;)
just because mad max is an older movie, does not make it good. honestly all the mad max movies stunk. i've seen plenty of "old school" movies that were horrible.
just because kill bill is a new movie does not make it bad.
and while it doesn't make it a good movie either, it shouldn't even come in to consideration when casting your vote.
these aren't supposed to be based on how good the movies were, but based on the combatants themselves. so voting for mad max because you don't like tarentino, or because you think the bride is a flavor of the month doesn't go along with the contest.
so far both rounds have been skewed by fanboyism. especially the first round.
Geeze, just when I thought I was getting rid of any Marvel vs DC arguments, NOW we have old school vs new school......will it never end. :p
I like the Madmax character more than the Bride but I think the bride will win this one
Well, I nominated her, but that's NOT an auto vote for her. Just making that clear. I am tempted to say Mad Max will take The Bride, but I think she'll pull this one off. Just.
Why? Granted the terrain is like Max's stomping ground, and he is one heck of a fighter. But he's up against a trained assasin, one of the best (if not THE best) in the world. I assume that she only has her Hattori sword here, as that is her iconic gear. She has plenty of cover to work with, and to bring her acrobatics into play, which means Max has one chance at taking her down before he dies. He's a good shot, and a handcannon is a pretty easy gun to hit with, but I don't think he'll make it. Then its a nice ugly brawl that Kiddo limps away from, and an eviscerated Max.
Originally posted by ca551u5
But he's up against a trained assasin, one of the best (if not THE best) in the world.
You know, that brings up something I was thinking about earlier (but hadn't posted). Yes, Max is good. He can handle 'bout anyone he comes across. But has he ever fought someone who was actually a trained fighter? IIRC he mostly fights brawlers and might-makes-right types.
greenclaw
05/17/2004, 03:48
Us Aussies have got to stick together on this one.
Log me down with a vote for MAX in a tight one.
green_knight
05/17/2004, 03:56
I vote for Mad Max. He'll wife her in this thunderdome.
Thanosied
05/17/2004, 04:23
Mad Max. I saw Kill Bill Vol.1 and her battles until the final one where all one won using luck or an opponents mistake and percision timing to capaitalize on it. MADMAX fights life and death each time out and rareky if ever makes mistakes.
I vote Max
I will change my vote if there is a GREAT senario where the bride can close the gap to 5 meters or less. Thats when Max will simply be outclassed.
If Bride can close the distance she wins, if not Max all the way.
Thanosied
05/17/2004, 04:25
Please tell me that Jack Burton is in this tournament. Or even Snake Pliskon for that matter.
Either of these 2 got it wrapped up :devious:
I really can't see how The Bride is going to triumph in this setting. The environment is open enough that it limits the places that one can hide, it is only some porto potties, piles of contruction equipment, and the frame of a building. This means that Max should be able to get to any place in the arena safley, The Bride must stay within cover to avoid getting shot so she will not be able to travel as freely about the environment as Max can, this allows him to pick a place to make a stand that effectively prevents close combat ambushes. The top of the building frame seems like an excellent spot for this, but there could be others. Once Max digs into a decure location he can limit the avenues of approach to that are by setting simple alarms and traps, for instance he could break the service elevator to the top of the bulding and thereby force The Bride to scale the frame to get to his location, something very difficult to do and remain hidden. After Max digs in he forces this battle into a waiting game, and in that kind of contest he has all the advantages, he is from a much harsher setting and so can survive longer without succumbing to exhaustion, and it is probable that he is carrying some kind of food and water on him, whereas The Bride has none. In addition fatigue will be less detrimental to him than to Bride, as swordfighting and avoiding getting shot is more physcially and mentally taxing than is shooting someone.
Originally posted by DTM
Construction Site – Half cluttered construction area, filled with such equipment and machines, a few semi finished buildings, half all around fairly open area.
So Max has half the site open to just sit and wait for bride to come out and get shot since theres no way hes dumb enough to walk into close quarters with an assassin thats holding a katana.
Its gonna come down to whos more patient. All Max does is sit around all day or fight in his movies , the brides always movin ( well once she woke up anyway )
My vote goes to Max.
Nighthawk
05/17/2004, 07:07
The Bride
CosmicTom
05/17/2004, 11:06
Mad Max will win.
Ignatz_Mouse
05/17/2004, 11:21
I vote Bride based onher incredible will. I can see her getting the gun away from Max.
Originally posted by Thanosied
Please tell me that Jack Burton is in this tournament. Or even Snake Pliskon for that matter.
Either of these 2 got it wrapped up :devious:
Ah, Snake, how could we have forgotten you. He would have been great here, alot better than Jack Burton, who while fun to watch was ALL attitude and Little skill.
The Bride - 24 votes
Mad Max - 23 votes
Maniac_nmt
05/17/2004, 15:16
we could have used Kurt Russel's character from Soldier.
"What are you going to do?"
"I'm going to kill them all, sir."
*sniff* it was such a tear jerker moment *sniff*
Ha, yeah, that was a good one, but can you remember his name? Snake Pliskin would have been nice, a shame no one remembered him.
Maniac_nmt
05/17/2004, 15:22
his name was Todd
Well put him against Solo and the Universal Solider, Van Damme. :)
Maniac_nmt
05/17/2004, 15:37
yeah, but the universal soldier couldn't feel pain, had limited super strength, etc. He's more middle weight material. Todd was just raised from birth to be the best soldier humanity could produce. He has no genetic modifications to make him super human. He just has been killing people since he was 5-7 years old.
On a side note, Todd would take them both, he fought off the whole next crop of soldiers, all genetically engineered to be faster/stronger/better. Simply cause he was more experienced, and nastier.
Middle and heavy weights are going to be tough to fill out 32 slots for this style tourney.
Although I'm tempted to nom mr. "I am the law" for middle weight (if only because arnie's t-800 is more heavy weight)
I vote for the lovely bride! For she rocks out hardcore.
Nah, Id say the T-800 Terminator is a high end Middle Weight, personally. T-1000, Id say HW.
I think Grinner nailed it. I can't remember Max ever fighting a REAL, trained fighter like The Bride. His opponents were thugs, brawlers and wanna-be lords. None of them had the training of Beatrix Kiddo
The Bride - 25 votes
Mad Max - 24 votes
I have to vote for Mad Max here. Im not a big fan of the Kill Bill movies and they seemed contrived at best IMO, and get alot more credit than they deserve. Fun to watch? Yeah. I enjoyed them. But too many people try to claim they are instant classics or cinematic masterpieces, which they are FAR from. I can't say the Mad Max films are much better, but he has the better weapons and seems better rounded. He gets the win.
Maniac_nmt
05/18/2004, 19:12
YAY! Come on Max, you can do it!
KMagefyre
05/19/2004, 00:38
It's a tie!!! I don't really care who wins (voted for Bride earlier), but this is crazy!
It basically comes down to whether Bride's training can outdo Max's survival skills. Weapons are basically inconsequential, Bride's got a gun too. And a knife. Max tends to make/steal/find what he needs. I could see a pipe vs. katana duel. :p
So... instinct vs. training? We shall see...
brendanbrown
05/19/2004, 18:44
I keep getting the picture of the scene in KB1 when the bride slits that guys achilles right after she wakes up. I see her hiding under a truck or behind some half-made wall, and getting the jump on max. all she needs to get is one attack, and then max is history.
lets not forget, the bride has her gun too.
we've got a tough thug armed with a gun, versus a highly trained assassin armed with a gun, knife and a sword.
and since both fighters go into battle knowing all about their opponent, the bride won't be surprised by max's gun.
The Bride. She is too much for Max.
PirateRoberts
05/19/2004, 23:41
I've been a long time reader and never bothered to sign up, but this makes me crazy....Mad Max is the Man and would take care of that woman without a problem!
First things first-saw Dogs in the theater when nobody cared about Tarantino-have dug him ever since so don't try calling me out on that.Second the Bride has got spunk and does benefit from the whole grrlpower movement-but it's contrived.To me she was THE most boring character in those movies-which is saying something when David Carradine is in the cast!
Max Rockantansky has "faced no real trained fighters"nope just cannabalistic irradiated nutjobs that would tear your heart out.None of these guys probably had a Yoda like the Bride-the just got in touch with the animal inside that would keep them alive in the worst situations imaginable.The Bride faced a gun once and ended up six feet under afterwards.And if we are including all movies involving the character-upon entering Bartertown Max is asked to "leave your weapons here.It's the law"and produces an arsenal that would make Rambo blush.Max is hardened to the world in a way the Bride wouldn't understand-his life is gone and often times a man with nothing left to live for has nothing left to lose.Max is a warrior-not trained-he figured it out for himself.He'd find a way to win.
As for peolpe who think Max movie ####-I got two words for you-have fun at Shrek2!!!
OldStoneMonkey
05/20/2004, 17:30
Max would win, the Bride is bringing a katana to a gun fight.
actually the bride has faced a gun on more than one occasion.
bill shoots her square in the head and she doesn't die.
she talks the shotgun weilding chinese assassin out of fighting.
budd's gun she wasn't expecting, this is true... but she will be expecting max's gun... actually all of his guns... since they know everything about each other thanks to the contest rules.
and the bride is bringing a katanna, a knife *and* a gun to a gun fight.
and if i ever go see shrek 2, i'm sure i will have fun.
Yes, Max is good. He can handle 'bout anyone he comes across. But has he ever fought someone who was actually a trained fighter?-GRINNER
I'm gonna tell you folks a story about the myth of the "trained" fighter.I was a young squadleader in Operation Just Cause back in 89.Two of my "heroes"were trained RANGERS and both competed in the Army's Best Ranger competition-both had impeccable careers and both failed utterly when the challenge presented itself.One refused to lead his men on a patrol and the other tossed his weapon aside and curdled into the fetal position as soon as we started taking fire.Both were highly trained fighters.Yoda won't save you when push comes to shove,but your guts will.
Max wouldn't miss and a sawedoff twelve gauge would take her head off(citing the example of Bill's shot)I wanna see what the WAGON looks like after Max rolls the tanker over it.
"I never seen anybody beat the snakes before."
creed, you seem pretty knowlegable...
and this is a genuine question on my part.
how does a sawed off shotgun's range compare with the range of a hand gun?
judging from the movies, the bride doesn't seem the type to give up "when push comes to shove". she seemed pretty gutsy and driven to me.
Most sawed off shotguns would be comprable/superior depending upon a given load for the shotgun-allowing for spread.Basically a buckshot load allows several shots a close range as opposed to one-double barreled-forget about it!There are reasons they are referred to as streethowitzers.
As for the lady I gave her props-just not a victory.
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