Ultimate Stats So Far

[secretwarrior]

Seeing as many will be going to WWEast next weekend, I wanted to wet everyone's appetite's by posting all stats that we know so far about Ultimates in one handy dandy thread. These are culled form all over HC realms.

Thanks who ever posted them first (i'll give credit to who ever posted these)

Stats found on Sneek Peeks or WK official are not here

[secretwarrior]

V Wrecker (131)
TA: None
Range: 0

7/7/6/6/6/5/5/5/4/4
10 /9 /9 /8 /7 /7 /7 /6 /6/ 6 /
16 /15 /15 /15 /14 /14 /14 /13 /13 /13
2 /2 /3/3/3/3/3/2/2/2


Superstregth all, IMP first two, IN next 6 last two Tough
CCE first two



posted my nutengu

[secretwarrior]

I have seen Thor, and he's a beast !
186 points, 10 range with two targets and team ultimates.
I don't remember his movement, but begins with 12 attack (no superstrenght), 16 defence with impervious and 5 damage.
Loses impervious after the first click, but has at least 5 damage for the first 3 clicks. Gains charge and returns to 5 damage in the end of the dial.He has only one click of impervious, and gains invulnerability after.
He gets charge around the 7th-8th click, and he has at least 9 clicks of life, surely not 11.
No pulse wave and no quake, running shot for the first 3 clix (maybe the first 2, don't remember very well).
5 damage. No RCE.

Hawkeye V has 11 attack and 3 damage + RCE , 8 range with 3 targets and of course the Ultimates Team. It gains running shot after 3 clicks. Very short dial thought (6 clix) and a defense of 15 (maybe 16, don't remember).
Sidewinder E is a good piece for leadership and wildcard teams. 12 movement, 8 attack, 15 defence with SS and 2 damage (leadership) and the Serpent Society team. All for 29 points.

(Ultimate TA for Hawkeye and Thor)

ALL by Jason X

[secretwarrior]

E Colossus is very similar to XP, but has at least 1 click of impervious. E Cap Britain is also very good, but no charge. V scourge is 21 points, 11 attack, 2 damage with shapechange, and I believe stealth. Second click has 10 attack and 1 damage+ RCE.

Jason X again

[secretwarrior]

V Beast seems weaker than his XP version and more of a support/ 2nd wave attack piece. He only has 6 clicks of life, 10 Movement Charge, 9 AV, Super Sense 16 DV instead and 2 damage Perplex. Here's the cool bit though, on his second click he switches to Flurry and Outwit!

Toughness only comes up mid dial and this switches to Willpower at the end when he also gets leap climb.

I also got to handle V Wrecker(Imp-sy brick with 2 damage with CCE and Super strenght). He's 131 ponts.

Anaconda has Toughness, Plasticity, Super Strenght and consistent AVs. She gets Incap towards the end and is Serpent Society. The R is 41 points and E is 53.

nu tengu

[secretwarrior]

Got to see some Ultimates figs that my local store put on display last night. Can't remember the stats anymore though. Didn't have any paper with me at the time. Anyway here they are:

R Sidewinder
30+ pts
Serpent Society
Leadership and some other power in his defensive slot

R Storm
30+ pts
No TA
6 range
EE and RCE (1 base damage)
Not on a flight base

R Elektro
33 pts
No TA
6 range
Poison and ESD
Natural 3 damage!

V Captain Britain
121 pts
No TA
10-10-16-4
Charge-Super Strength-Imperv-(don't recall if there was a damage power but i'm pretty sure there wasn't)
2 clicks of Imperv, 3 clicks of invul, 2 clicks of Toughness, 3 clicks of Willpower
Flying

The sculpts looked great. Paint jobs were excellent (much much better than CM


from bace

[secretwarrior]

V Marvel Girl is great for 68 points. She has a similar pose to Livewire's. She has 10 movement, 9 AV TK, 15DV with ES/D and gains Pulse Wave mid dial before switching back to TK.

V Black Widow is an improvement from her CT version. I think her AV is 9, has Stealth, Willpower 16 DV and 3 damage.

by nu tengu

[secretwarrior]

so far that's all I got...anybody want to post more, go right ahead.


Thank you all for giving out info! Can't wait for full spoiler from WK on Fri!!!

[raging_madboy]

Thanks for the thread secretwarrior.

Lets keep those stats rolling in, cause i am one curious little monkey.

[secretwarrior]

thanx....most of em are on the Marvel Confirmed exp 4 thread...just too many posts to go through to find this stuff.

[Manchine]

Reposting!


Sentinel Trooper E
25 Pts SHIELD
6 Range, 1 target
Flight base

7 6 5 4 4 (4-5 Earthbound)
8 7 6 5 4
14 13 12 12 11 (1 Toughness, 2-3 ES/D)
2 2 1 1 1

****************************************************

Sentinel Trooper V
28 Pts SHIELD
6 Range, 1 target
Flight base

8 7 6 5 4 (4-5 Earthbound)
8 8 7 6 5
14 13 13 12 12 (1-2 Toughness, 3-5 ES/D)
2 2 1 1 1

****************************************************

Electro V
55 Pts Sinister Syndicate
8 Range, 1 target
Flight base

8 8 7 7 6 6
9 8 8 7 7 6 (1-3 Poison, 4-6 EE)
14 14 13 13 13 12 (1-4 ES/D)
4 3 3 2 2 1

****************************************************

Storm E
38 Pts Ultimate X-men
4 Range, 1 target
Flight base

9 8 8 7 7 (4-5 Earthbound)
8 7 7 6 6 (1-5 EE)
15 14 13 13 12
1 1 1 2 1 (1-3 RCE)

****************************************************

Captain Britain V
121 Pts
0 Range, 1 target
Flight base

10 10 8 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 (1-2 Charge)
10 9 9 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 (1-10 Super Strength)
16 15 15 15 14 14 14 14 14 13 (1-2 IMP, 3-5 INV, 6-8 Tough, 9-10 WP)
4 4 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2

****************************************************

Princess Python V
42 Pts Serpent Society
2 Range, 1 target

7 7 6 6 5
8 8 7 7 6 (1-5 Incap)
15 15 14 13 12
2 2 1 1 1

****************************************************

Wrecker E
119 Pts Masters of Evil
0 Range, 1 target

7 6 6 6 5 5 5 4 4
9 9 8 7 7 7 6 6 6 (1-4 SSt, 5-7 Quake, 8-9 SSt)
15 15 15 14 14 14 13 13 13 (1 IMP, 2-6 INV, 7-9 Tough)
4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2

[daedalus25]

Nice work!!

I'm disappointed that they made Hawkeye better than Black Widow. I remember reading that Hawkeye admitted Black Widow was the better of the two since she had special enhancements. She even saved his butt. Oh well... at least it'll make the Hawkeye fans happy.

Thanks for the new info!

[dj_sha]

Ugh, Storm sounds terrible! 4 range for a RCE fig? :(


The rest look nice. Electro isn't what I expected, but he's still good. The E Wrecker sounds better then the V.

[Legion-of-Doom]

How the Hell can Storm have a 4 range ????????? Thats messed up.

But at least its cool to see E Wrecker is awesome, much better then the Vet, just like Asorbing Man.

[Legion-of-Doom]

Also amazed at the power of Captain Britian and Electro, now I must live in fear of my buds Sydicate team, where before I laughed at them, lol.

And I'm grateful the Sentinels are so cheap, looks like my Ultimates team has some nice cheap taxi's to choose from. The Shield TA plus the Ultimates TA ? Sweet death rom above.

[nu tengu]

V Marvel Girl
Point cost: 65
Range: 8 Target: 1
TA: Ultimate X-men
Flight

10/9/8/8/8/7
9 /9 /8 /8 /7 /7
15 /15 /14 /14 /13 /13
1 /1 /1 /2/2/1

:p

[nu tengu]

R Beast
Point cost: 41
Range: 0
TA: Non

9 /8 /8 /7 /6
8/7/6/5/5
15 /14 /14 /13 /13
2 /2 /2/2/1


V Beast
Point cost: 68
Range: 0
TA: Ultimate X-men

10 /10 /9 /9 /8 /7
9/8/8/7/6/5
16 /15 /15 /14 /14 /13
2 /2 /2 /2/2/2/

[nu tengu]

E Colossus
Point cost: 104
Range: 0
TA: Ultimate X-men

6 /8 /6 /6 /6 /6 /5 /5 /5
9 /9 /8 /8 /8 /7 /7 /7 /6
13 /15 /16 /15/ 16 /15 /14 /14 /13
1 /4 /3 /3 /2 /2 /2 /2 /2

[nu tengu]

E Hawkeye
Point cost: 60
Range: 8 Targets: 2
TA: Ultimates

7 /6 /6 /6 /6 /4
10 /9 /9 /8 /8 /8
16 /15 /15 /14 /14 /13
2 /2 /2 /2 /2 /2

[drgnoftyr]

sweet stuff man keep it up:laugh: :classic: :cool: :p

[MJlover]

Good work. Can't wait to see Thor's full dial now. He sounds like a true beast!

[nu tengu]

V Black Widow
Point cost: 59
Range: 6 Targets: 1
TA: Ultimates

7 /7 /6 /6 /6 /4
9 /8 /8 /7 /7 /6
16 /15 15 /14 /13 /12
3 /2 /2 /2 /2 /1

[Dr. Morbius]

What's that Defensive Power after Willpower? Impervious????

[drgnoftyr]

look's like imperv to me;) ;)

[lukebuchanan]

See ya rookie Steel.

[nu tengu]

R Electro
Point cost: 33
Range: 6 Targets: 1
TA: Non

6 /6 /5 /5 /5
8 /7 /7 /6 /6
13 /13 /12 /12 /11
3 /3 /2 /2 /1

[Marlow]

nu tengu, these are great thanks.

However some of the colours are hard to see!

Can you just list what the powers are too! Has Widow got Toughness or Combat Reflexes?

Marlow

[nu tengu]

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
What's that Defensive Power after Willpower? Impervious????

Heh, I knew it would confuse ppl. That's Combat Reflexes. Where the hell is 'yellow'?! I had to resort to using 'burlybrown'??? :confused:

[Dr. Morbius]

ah okay...I was wondering...an impervious Widow?!?! :confused: :p

[drgnoftyr]

lime green work's i think

[I Am The Game]

Originally posted by Dr. Morbius
ah okay...I was wondering...an impervious Widow?!?! :confused: :p

If she's been with a lot of men, that means she's been ditched by a lot of men! My guess? Impervious implants! They just don't feel right... ;)

[BigSoph]

Originally posted by drgnof tyr
look's like imperv to me;) ;)

Looks like Combat Reflexes to me....

[nu tengu]

E Anaconda
Point cost: 53
Range: 0
TA: Serpent Society

7 /6 /6 /5 /5 /5 /4
10 /9 /9 /8 /8 /7 /7
15 /15 /14 /14 /14 /13 /13
2 /2 /2 /1 /1 /1 /1

[nu tengu]

E Hellfire Guard
Point cost: 15
Range: 6 Targets: 1
TA: Non

7 /6 /6 /5
8 /8 /7 /6
14 /13 /12 / 11
2 /1 /1 /1

[drgnoftyr]

Originally posted by BigSoph
Looks like Combat Reflexes to me....

your very funny.....he put it as a brown color and his explanation wasn't till after my post ???so why quote my post???obviously up till that point it would be considered impervious...

[drgnoftyr]

i think yellow work's let's see

[nu tengu]

V Sentinel Trooper
Point cost: 28
Range: 6 Targets: 1
TA: SHIELD

8 /7 /6 /5 /4
8 / 8 /7 /6 /5
14 /13 /13 /12 /12
2 /2 /1 /1 /1

* The lime green I used at the end of his dials is Earthbound. :p

[Manchine]

Originally posted by nu tengu
* The lime green I used at the end of his dials is Earthbound. :p

The new power is Yellowish greenish. So lime green is the best for the New powers. I use lime green for all my character Creation.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by nu tengu
V Marvel Girl
Point cost: 65
Range: 8 Target: 1
TA: Ultimate X-men
Flight

10/9/8/8/8/7
9 /9 /8 /8 /7 /7
15 /15 /14 /14 /13 /13
1 /1 /1 /2/2/1

:p


Is that TK --- Energy Explosion --- TK? Or is that pulsewave?

[Sandra Wu-San]

Originally posted by Manchine
Is that TK --- Energy Explosion --- TK? Or is that pulsewave?
Vet Marvel Girl has Pulse Wave

[nu tengu]

Yeah, that's suppose to be PW. Sorry I messed up. :( Could one of the moderators do me a favour and edit that?

[drgnoftyr]

it's no biggie nu tengu ....you have done great man!!!!

[Manchine]

Just have to type yellow in by hand and BOLD it other wise you cant see it to well.

Just pick another color and you can erase that color and put yellow in. Its what I do for Character Creation.



Se all the work I do for Character Creation. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[rotru]

Definitely, thanks for all the stats, everyone! I'm even more excited for this set than I was before!

[nu tengu]

Well, that's all I've got. The ones I left out are R Anaconda, E Scourge, V Spidey and V Doc Oc.

Come on, someone post some Uniques stats already!! :classic:

[nu tengu]

Originally posted by Manchine
Just have to type yellow in by hand and BOLD it other wise you cant see it to well.



Wow, yeah that does look a lot better. Thanks for the tip 'Chine.

:p

[drgnoftyr]

all i do [b][color=yellow] 15 [./color][./b]
without the period's;) ;)

copy paste so saves on typing and change the color's hehe

[Manchine]

Originally posted by nu tengu
Wow, yeah that does look a lot better. Thanks for the tip 'Chine.

:p

Its still hard to see but looking at one number is easier then look at a whole sentance! LOL

[MeatLoafX]

I haven't seen E Scourge... all I've seen is that the R is 14 pts? and the vet has RCE on click 2...

Is that correct? What about the E? Do they have any other powers?

[secretwarrior]

hey thanks nutengu for all the stats.


feel free to post the others you have if you feel like it



anybody else got anything? let's hear it!


p.s. why doen't everybody ditch the color confusion and just write (for example)

10 CHr /9 chr
10 SS /9 PW
16 IMP/ 15 Inv

etc

[SupaSlugfest]

Anyone see Ultimate Hulk yet???

[secretwarrior]

oh yeah, almost forgot, does anyone see much difference between Colussus and his Ultimate version?


seems like a Beta Ray Bill/ Exp Thor kinda situation:(

[WarHULK]

I will admit that I am disappointed with Ult Colossus. I was expecting him to be one of the biggest bricks in marvel yet... and he's just the original with a splash of Imp and one click with a higher defense... ah well, thay can't all be wonderful!

[Sandra Wu-San]

The ones I am really interested in seeing in Goblin Queen and Carnage. Anyone have any info on these two?

[JacinB]

How 'bout Ultimate Iron Man? Anyone seen any stats?

[sengirv]

Originally posted by dj_sha
Ugh, Storm sounds terrible! 4 range for a RCE fig? :(


The rest look nice. Electro isn't what I expected, but he's still good. The E Wrecker sounds better then the V.

And there are some loons here who were singing Elektra's praises - Yeah, that's right, the 2 range with RCE elektra.

[Bob]

If folks are taking requests, I'd love to see Zemo...

[WhiteRabbit909]

Originally posted by JacinB
How 'bout Ultimate Iron Man? Anyone seen any stats?

Me too.

[wonderboy]

Originally posted by nu tengu
R Electro
Point cost: 33
Range: 6 Targets: 1
TA: Non

6 /6 /5 /5 /5
8 /7 /7 /6 /6
13 /13 /12 /12 /11
3 /3 /2 /2 /1

Why does Electro have Poison?

[ReZourceman]

Colossus.....


wtf....

....grrrr....


...anger building.......




HE TOOK A HIT FROM IRON-MAN FLYING AT FULL SPEED, HE JUST STOPPED HIM WITH HIS FIST..... HOW THE HECK CAN THEY JUSTIFY 15 DEF.

okay so does that mean iron-man is going to have a 6 attack, cos that is how difficult it is for him to hurt colossus.

geeeez wizkids, employ someone who has actually read a comic book.

[ReZourceman]

Originally posted by wonderboy8917
Why does Electro have Poison?


Because he is made of electricity, standing next to him would probably kill you, let alone do one click. heh :grin:

[sinistersex]

Originally posted by wonderboy8917
Why does Electro have Poison?

Electro, i'm guessing, has Poison to represent his rather shocking personality when someone is adjacent to him. anyone without proper defenses would likely be electrocuted a bit simply by being next to him. its a good representation; he can hit you even when he isnt attacking you.

[Kaitouace]

Very disappointed to hear that Ult Colossus is hardly any different from regular Colossus.

[Sandra Wu-San]

Originally posted by ReZourceman
okay so does that mean iron-man is going to have a 6 attack, cos that is how difficult it is for him to hurt colossus.

Higher defense means the figure would be harder to hit, ie; Spiderman, Atom, etc, due to their ability to dodge and avoid attacks. Now if you are solid steel or a Man of Steel and can easily be hit and take a beating and keep on going, a lower defense with tons of damage reducers would be a better was to represent that. Hope it clears it up

[Sho-nuff]

Originally posted by ReZourceman
Colossus.....
wtf....
...grrrr....
...anger building.......

HE TOOK A HIT FROM IRON-MAN FLYING AT FULL SPEED, HE JUST STOPPED HIM WITH HIS FIST..... HOW THE HECK CAN THEY JUSTIFY 15 DEF.

okay so does that mean iron-man is going to have a 6 attack, cos that is how difficult it is for him to hurt colossus.

geeeez wizkids, employ someone who has actually read a comic book.

Alright, so you're saying that Low Defense/Impervious isn't perfectly represented by that exact incident? High defense would mean he didn't even hit him; a low defense with Impervious, however, would mean he's easy to connect with, just hard to damage. You know ... like Colossus. He doesn't really move out of the way, things still hit him, they just bounce off. Like Iron Man. I think it's a much more perfect representation of the comics than giving him a high defense with Invulnerability. It means someone could connect with him for as much damage as you want and you could still shrug it off like it were nothing.

To sum it up - they did a good job of it and I don't think there's any room for criticism on it. The Colossus defense issue has been beaten to death in the earlier version and I think this one sounds as perfect as you can get.

-S

[tyroclix]

If this is accurate - really disappointed in Storm. RCE and EE she already had and the E version is only 14 points cheaper than the XP vet.

For this 14 points, I'll take a 10 range, 10 attack, ES/D, 4 damage, and the X-men ability every time.

Bummer no Inc, Force Blast, Smoke Cloud, Willpower, etc to simulate her weather control.

At least it's one less fig for me to trade for...

[Agent_X]

I like how they have been giving the figures with low defense more damage reduction. CM had some issues where 1 outwit would invalidate a 100+ pt figure. 8 clicks on V Wrecker of Imp/Inv and 5 on Capt. Britain. This is looking to be a great set.

[skforeman]

i agree with Sho-nuff and the others - Colossus' defense is nicely representative of the character. i AM disappointed, however, that the dial is so darn similar to XP Colossus, especially considering that he's also part of Universe. the 3 fig slots that Ultimate Colossus takes up in the Ultiumates checklist would be better filled with new, different figs. very strange call by WizKids on that one.

if you're going to make it so similar, why not eliminate the activation click? or give him more charge? or give him CCE or EW? adding 1 click of Impervious isn't going to make me field him any more than E Colossus (XP). do *something* to make him different & unique. i'm very pleased with the new Beast & Marvel Girl dials - they're similar to their Universe counterparts, but the slight differences (Beast w/Outwit? nice! Marvel Girl w/PW? cool!) create new strategies. methinks they dropped the ball on Colossus. weren't there any other deserving & new Ultimate x-Men that could take his slot? oy.

[Dr. Morbius]

Originally posted by Sandra Wu-San
The ones I am really interested in seeing in Goblin Queen and Carnage. Anyone have any info on these two?

I second that! I want to see CARNAGE and ZEMO!

[Ironman131990]

Originally posted by JacinB
How 'bout Ultimate Iron Man? Anyone seen any stats?





he is the one figure they better make cause the R/E/V in XP was alright but not as strong as he used 2 be but one time i used his V version on a U Wasp and i got a 12 so i did 5 damage plus Critical hit and into a wall so it was like 7 damage but still we need 2 see an Ultimate Ironman so we can build an Ultimates Avengers team.


Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Quicksilver of the A-Clan

[secretwarrior]

thanks to all who are posting to this thread. remember not to start a lot of discussion here. Let's let this thread be mostly for stats


but as i said befoe Colussus kinda s-u-c-k-s

[dj_sha]

Keep your pants on everyone, we'll be getting the full list of stats this Friday at the latest (WWE pre-sale).

[dj_sha]

Originally posted by Manchine Just have to type yellow in by hand and BOLD it other wise you cant see it to well.



Ahhh! It burns!

[Glorfindel]

I'm very dissapointed with Vet Princess Python. How pathetic is she, compared to the LE. Terrible.

[Beastchylde]

Nobodies seen any version of Cyclops yet. Darn, the suspense is killing me.

[impulse1121]

have you guys been here yet http://www.allnerdreview.com/REVIEWS/CLIXULT1.html they have some cool info on the look of the clix, and a few hints at some others:) ;) ;)

[jiggle_billy]

i've seen E cyclops,
he's 55 points, a member of the brotherhood, has 6 range and 4 base damage!!!

[Beastchylde]

I finally saw a Cyclops, and he is interesting to say the least. The only version I saw was the Experienced. I also only saw his first click. I'm assuming that this is his first click but from the picture I saw I can't tell. Well here it is:

Collector #62
Team: Brotherhood
Range: 6/
Points: 55
Speed: 6
Attack: 10
Defense:15
Damage: 4

Needless to say I am fascinated by the way they chose to do this character. 6 RANGE? 4 DAMAGE?? NO LEADERSHIP??? 6 RANGE???? Here's hoping the Veteran gets a big boost to his range.

6 RANGE???????

[allen_huang]

sorry about this, but i don't really read the Ultimates line..

anyone can tell me why cyclops is in brotherhood? thanks. :)

anyone seen carnage yet???? erggg :confused:

[Dr. Morbius]

Lizard Veteran starts with
9 L/C
10 B/C/F
16 Tough
2 BF

from all the Ultimates sculpts I've seen so far, this is the least impressive!!!! :disappoin

[Beastchylde]

Cyclops briefly joined the Brotherhood for a while in Ultimate X-Men.

6 RANGE?!?!?!?

[Rocket Ranger]

Hey, Morbius, you got to see some early stats? That's great! I hate to ask, but, what's wrong with the Lizard sculpt?:noid:

Glorfindel posted:

"I'm very dissapointed with Vet Princess Python. How pathetic is she, compared to the LE. Terrible"

It's too bad she isn't as useful as the LE. That will make the prize all the more desirable. I have to admit, though, as far as Princess Python goes, I wasn't expecting a great clix. In fact, it appears all of the Serpent Society will be ok, but rather inexpensive and uninteresting. It will be nice to have some affordable 2nd tier attackers to help out evil teams like MOD and MOE or HYDRA, but their dials stand out in stark contrast to others in this set like Punisher, Captain Britain and the Ultimates. I know every clix in a set can't be a powerhouse, but they seem very IC Constrictor/Blizzard/Boomerang like. The Serpent Society just seem kind of dull in a set introducing so many new powers. Hopefully, their low cost and some nice looking sculpts will make up for this.

[Monkey Joe]

Thanks impulse1121, those photos are great! CB looks pretty cool(xmen TA too), and I for one dig the lizard pose. cyclops seems decent to me, even with a 6 range. between wolvie and cyke, the 'hood got alot more powerful. Thanks to all he have been feeding us with info. Cheers!

[nu tengu]

Originally posted by jiggle_billy
i've seen E cyclops,
he's 55 points, a member of the brotherhood, has 6 range and 4 base damage!!!

I've seen his V version but only by the side of the booster. He's 69 points, Ultimate X-men, has 8 range with 2 targets and an empty dial...:(

[Beastchylde]

Well 8 is better than 6 although it still seems too low to me. At least the sculpt looks better than the IC Cyclops, not that that's hard.

[Thunderbolts]

That Cyclops sure has some weird powers, but I guess it makes sense in a way. They're letting him use Running Shot for full damage rather than having to halve it, and I suppose he can also shoot his eye blasts at point blank range. In the Marvel games by Capcom he grabs opponents at close quarters and beams them in the face, so it's not too farfetched... (farf!)

Though it does seem kinda ridiculous that he's a melee powerhouse virtually on the level of She-Hulk, Thing etc.

And the sculpt... much better than IC? It looks almost the same...

tb - if the Veteran does have no powers.... I don't get it at all

[skyounkin]

The Cyke sculpt is one of my fav's from IC.

Don't really care for the ultimate sculpt, but I am biased.

Anyone got a link to U thor?....

That settles the "Which Capt. Britain is it?" thread, he looks okay........Need to see him from a different angle.

[4AD_Punk]

Originally posted by skyounkin
Anyone got a link to U thor?....


Ultimate Thor link?

You ask and you shall receive:

Ultimate Thor (http://www.votenader.org/)

Darn hippies.

[Glorfindel]

Originally posted by 4AD_Punk
Ultimate Thor link?

You ask and you shall receive:

Ultimate Thor (http://www.votenader.org/)

Darn hippies.
Is that funny for Americans, 'cause I don't get it...?

[4AD_Punk]

Originally posted by Glorfindel
Is that funny for Americans, 'cause I don't get it...?

The quality I found amusing about Ultimates was the characterization of Thor, his apathy yet strict adherence to liberal rhetoric. The dude has green painted all over him.

[Silver Lantern]

Where are you guys seeing the pics of Cap Britain and Cyke? All I see on that All Nerd Review page is Ghost Rider, a Serpent Society chick, and Electro. LMK,
Thanks.

[Silver Lantern]

Nevermind, got it. I guess Excaliber is going to be X-men TA, much like Thunderbolts are Avengers.

[Silver Lantern]

BTW, Lizard Vet is Collector# 15 and costs 50 points.

Cap Marvel Exp is # 83 and is indeed X-men TA.

[DarkKnight316]

Could somebody help me. I can't find the Capt. Britain and Cyke photos on the All-Nerd review. Where are they?

[AngeHamm]

I don't have links to the photos, but it's nice that ANR printed:

It was confirmed, however, that there will be no ####ed Elektras in this set.

We knew, but thank God.

[Puuka]

http://www.allnerdreview.com/images/clixult6.jpg
http://www.allnerdreview.com/images/clixult7.jpg
http://www.allnerdreview.com/images/clixult8.jpg

Cap B
Lizard
Cyclops

[GrizzlyBearTal]

revealed to the world that this set will contain a Unique Mr. Sinister, Colossus, Xorn and Phoenix

From the all nerd review site, perhaps the U Colossus will be the powerhouse people were expecting? Or he just accidentally forgot to put it in with the REVs?

Set looks very cool so far.

[Greenandgold]

Guess how many clicks prior to E Cyclops had a 10AV and a 4 damage for less than 55 pts?

Add in that he can do that from range with running shot! This set is breaking new ground for mid-level attackers.

[Manchine]

I for one never expected Cyclops to have 10 range. He doesnt use his power at great ranges like other people.

[secretwarrior]

hey manchine, did you get to see any spoilers other than the ones you posted (i believe it was you)?


C'mon...don't keep quiet... help a thread out:)

[The Vision]

That V Lizard has leap/climb, BCF, Toughness and Battlefury with an AV of 10 on the first click.

[Manchine]

I dont know anything else. Sorry thats it for now.

[Legion-of-Doom]

Any one else think Lizard looks like a big green dog in a lab coat ?

[Manchine]

The Figs Look Great. Looks like people can actually stop complaining about the paint jobs finally.

[Sandra Wu-San]

Originally posted by Manchine
The Figs Look Great. Looks like people can actually stop complaining about the paint jobs finally.
That's because Arwen King doesn't work for Wizkids anymore ;)

I kid. I kid.

[drgnoftyr]

anr had to take the photo's down and before i saw em dang:devious: :devious: :ermm: :ermm:

[Manchine]

Lets all thank the All nerd review for there pics that I copied and put up at my website.

Even though they took it down.

Link to Cyclops, Captain Britian, and Lizard (http://www.geocities.com/manchineis1/AnimalTeen.html)

[kon-el]

YAY manchine YAY

[ludd_gang]

Originally posted by Legion-of-Doom
Any one else think Lizard looks like a big green dog in a lab coat ?

I think he looks way cool. Maybe I'm just simple, but I've been very impressed with all of the sculpts I've seen thus far.

[Bat-Dude]

Thanks, Machine!

Regular universe Lizard? Cool. I'll buy some boosters now. :)

[Gambit026]

So what is the final list like

[ReZourceman]

Click on boneyards list and merge confirmed and strongly rumoured.


theres the final list.


(i think its safe bets considering every fig that was in strongly rumoured has made the jump over to confirmed)

there should have been an uber Ultimate Giant Man.

[Manchine]

Wow to many people accessed my site at one time LOL.

[dj_sha]

Hooray for Manchine!

I don't see why people hate the Lizard sculpt. It looks pretty nice to me. The Cyclops 4 damage thing does make some sense too...BUT HE COULD'VE HAD LEADERSHIP! As for the Brotherhood TA, that shouldn't be there, since he was on the Brotherhood for about 2 issues, both in the first arc. Sets looking good. Now time to scrounge up the cash for a case...

[Spinebreaker]

>>As for the Brotherhood TA, that shouldn't be there, since he was on the Brotherhood for about 2 issues, both in the first arc.<<<

2 issues of the series... that's around 20% of the run... If it was the same in the standard universe he'd have been in the brotherhood about 15 years. The only ultimate character who deserves an REV is Spidey. Even that's dubious.

[Rocket Ranger]

Thanks for the link, Manchine.

Overall, the sculpts look pretty good. I think it's still too early to tell on the paint jobs....:noid:

As for the Lizard sculpt, it is well done. I would have to say, though, that it looks more like a Dino/velociraptor hybrid more than the man-like classic lizard look I was expecting. However, I'm just glad we got him! He and Captain Britain are both on my "want list" from Ultimates.

[brianhandwerk]

anyone save the pics?

[Draggor]

Thanks to ANR and Manchine. I'll have to look at Lizard at a better angle to judge his sculpt but I'm glad he's in. Looks quite nasty for his points too. That Cyke looks like one I'll use too, especially if the vet is range 8 and maybe a better attack. I figured judgeing by Shadowcat and Wolfsbane that Captain Britain would just get X-Men team. I like it because it gives the X-Men a real beat stick that doesn't need to activate. Charge in with Cap carrying Wolverine or Beast for a big one two punch. I'm even more keyed for this set now, which I didn't think was possible!!!

[razorramon31]

Thanks Manchine! You are the MAN!:cool:

[Rocket Ranger]

More Lizard talk...

Uh, did you guys notice that the Lizard has the dolphin symbol for movement on his dial on top of his leap/climb? Actually, I had a couple of paragraphs written up expressing my confusion over giving a clix seemingly redundant powers, but then I looked over past clix with the dolphin, and the Lizard's case was suddenly not so strange, nor so isolated. Swamp Thing has phasing with the dolphin. Arcane has leap/climb with the dolphin. Diablo has the dolphin....Ok, it's not redundant on Diablo. It's just strange that he even got it.
Anyway, my point is, as often as the dolphin actually shows up in heroclix, it would be nice if it actually was a real benefit to the character. I know it can't be outwitted, but that seems hardly the best argument for giving a character both a movement ability and power that overlap in utility. It makes me wonder how much more the dolphin costs than the foot and how that actually affects the price of a clix with it.

Hey, if I had it my way, we'd have MORE clix with the dolphin symbol. However, we'd also have maps with a LOT of water that would really make these characters useful in addition to a FAQ to the rules so that any clix with the dolphin symbol basically has stealth for LOS reasons when in a water square. This would be such an easy change and would make perfect sense. Overnight, characters like Aquaman, Killer Croc and the clix listed above would become a lot more useful on certain maps and see a lot more play. Its such a small, but fun change to the ability. Come on, Wizkids, it's only a teeny, tiny FAQ away...:cheeky: ;)

[CarlosMucha]

well. my friend, I think is because no ALL the time he have phasing or L/C. in other hang, the clix must be acurate, in Swamp Thing case he can swing, then is necesary the acuatic symbol, remeber you can Outweed a power but now a team of something in the dial top.

[CarlosMucha]

BTW I DON'T like this set (I only want Hellcat) but the Cap Britain Sculp is very well done, I will use for custom.

[bill4935]

Okay, Carlos.

You know enough English to type "BTW" but then you also type "Outweed" ??? You type so that when we read it phonetically it sounds like a Spanish accent. But would a real non-native English speaker type that way?

You've been on HCrealms way too long to misspell Outwit. It's mentioned in practically every post on the entire website! (As in, "Outwit is the new Firelord." Or, "Outwit is fine, anyone who complains is obviously really bad at the game".)

I think you're faking that accent. Anyone else have any proof?

-------------------------------------------

Getting back to the point, I think the Lizard looks great. I just wish we had more Spidey Allies to fight against his Rogues' Gallery. Where's Falcon, Silver Sable, Puma, Cloak and Dagger?

And where's the Vindicator stats? Please?

[Silver Lantern]

Bill, I know Carlos personally and I can vouche for the fact that his english is not very good.
Trust me that he is not faking his bad english writing skills.
Knowing to write a simple acronym like BTW, doesn't equate to good writing skills.
Honestly your post is kind of rude and condescending, considering he is not faking his accent, but even if he was (and trust me he is not), who honestly cares?!?
His goal is to communicate on this forum about a hobby he loves in a language that is foreign and strange to him. An attempt to ridicule someone who doesn't know English well, doesn't make this place any friendlier.

[DemonRS]

I concur.


Besides.. Even if he is "faking it" who cares..

[JacinB]

Originally posted by bill4935
I think you're faking that accent. Anyone else have any proof?

Well, I think you're faking being Canadian. You know enough to type in English, but you've yet to use 'aboot' or 'eh?' in any of your sentences. Anyone else have any proof?

:rolleyes:

[drgnoftyr]

man why do SO many people wanna pick on grammar error's on this site this is getting ridiculous....:devious: :devious: :devious: :devious:

[DemonRS]

Originally posted by drgnof tyr
man why do SO many people wanna pick on grammar error's on this site this is getting ridiculous....:devious: :devious: :devious: :devious:


Actually it's errors.. If it were error's it would be impying something that errors posess :laugh:
Dont' get mad at me I'm just joking with you! I could care less about gramatical errors.. I stink at spelling and grammar myself.. :)

[MJlover]

Originally posted by DemonRS

Dont' get mad at me I'm just joking with you! I could care less about gramatical errors..

Actually, this means you do care. The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less.";) :grin:

[DemonRS]

True!
But I probably could care less.. The fact that I replied means that something struck me and made me care.. In this case it was the opportunity for a joke. I could have just closed the window.. :)
lol This is hilarious good fun.. :)

[secretwarrior]

Whoa grammar police whoa there!!!



Let's get back on track here: Ultimate Stats so far


keep to the topic, eh! :angry:

[Castiglione]

Originally posted by Spinebreaker
2 issues of the series... that's around 20% of the run... If it was the same in the standard universe he'd have been in the brotherhood about 15 years. The only ultimate character who deserves an REV is Spidey. Even that's dubious.

Uhm, when did 2 become 20% of 43?

Why all the Ultimate hate from people who don't READ Ultimates?
(I'm just guessing here, spinebreaker, on account of you not knowing UXM is in the low 40's right now*S*)

That's like me being angry there were X-Men in Infinity Challenge...

Because I do hate the X-men, but *shrug* some people seem to be entertained by their antics...*S*

[ReZourceman]

Originally posted by JacinB
Well, I think you're faking being Canadian. You know enough to type in English, but you've yet to use 'aboot' or 'eh?' in any of your sentences. Anyone else have any proof?

:rolleyes:


roflmao.

whooo, thats the good stuff.

[dherberger]

Grammar -- Shmammar

I want stats

I've looked aound for the Thor stats. I can't find them. Is he going to be a Unique?

I heard he will have 5 Damage with a 12 attack and 10 range for under 190pts. If he is a unique he will be the chase figure to get.

Did I mention. 5 Damage

[El Poolman]

Any official Ultimate Thor stats???
I mean, we kind of know how is going to be, but we want numbers, REAL NUMBERS.

Also Carnage would be nice.

[DareDevil-fan]

thanks Machine.

i went to the site yesterday and before I could look at these they were yanked. Glad you saved them. They look good.

[allen_huang]

Silver Lantern...

you make me LMAO too much... :laugh: :laugh:

thankee for the laffs...

[JacinB]

Originally posted by allen_huang
Silver Lantern...

you make me LMAO too much... :laugh: :laugh:

thankee for the laffs...

Hey now, what's this all aboot, eh?

Where was Silver Lantern funny? I was the one who was funny. Don't be giving him my funny credit.

[SinisterManus]

i think carlos died, he hasn't responed in more than 8 hrs. how could you not log back into this site for more than 8 hrs? this is so addicting......................

[SoRetarded]

Originally posted by dj_sha
As for the Brotherhood TA, that shouldn't be there, since he was on the Brotherhood for about 2 issues, both in the first arc.Actually I think he was never really a member of the Brotherhood as it was revealed (I bleieve) that he was working for / with the professor the whole time and it was just a clever ruse to infiltrate the brotherhood. At the end of the arc he has a converssation with the professor that seems to imply this. They talk about what's the next step in the plan which implies (at least to me) that everything that happened up to that point was part of the professor's plan.

Originally posted by Spinebreaker
2 issues of the series... that's around 20% of the run... If it was the same in the standard universe he'd have been in the brotherhood about 15 years. The only ultimate character who deserves an REV is Spidey. Even that's dubious. Well I think the Ultimate lines are further along than you are giving them credit for. 2 issues is more like 4-5% of the run so far... It seems (and this isn't directed at anyone in particular) that there is not much of a middle ground on the Ultimate lines in general, either people love them or they hate them. While I am not trying to call you or anyone else in particular a hater I am just making an observation...

The four books in the Ultimates line:
Ultimate Spiderman: 59+ issues
Ultimate X-Men: 45+ issues
The Ultimates: 13+ issues
Ultimate Fantastic Four: 5+ issues

Now that that is out of the way, I DO completly agree that it is kinda hard to justify REV versions for the characters at this point. The characters are pretty much now where they were when they started (power wise) with a few exceptions. They don't have a lot of comic 'life' experience, the groups haven't grown a whole lot, there doesn't seem to be a big need for this set or at least for this set to follow the R/E/V rules. I kinda think everyone should have been a rookie only with maybe a few that had experienced versions but I guess that wasn't in the gameplan. It could have allowed for a LOT more figures / characters to get introduced, and the Ultimate part of the set could have taken up less overall space. Instead of 3 (out of 90ish) figures being a version of Cyclops they could have had 1 'Ultimate' Cyclops, 1 'Ultimate' Storm and 1 'Ultimate' Colossus in the same amount of space and let in more of the classic Marvel characters. They could have continued this idea by maybe putting out E versions 2-3 sets from now and so on and so forth. I think a lot of the classic only people would have been happy and the ultimate only people would still have gotten their figures, just split up over more time...

Anyway, I'm just thinking aloud here at this point so I'll shut up now...

[JacinB]

Originally posted by SoRetarded
Now that that is out of the way, I DO completly agree that it is kinda hard to justify REV versions for the characters at this point.

But, to follow that line of thinking, there are a number of other figures who shouldn't get REVs because they either a) haven't appeared in enough issues, or b) haven't 'evolved' over their comic appearances.

There are a lot of villains who haven't made nearly as many appearances as the heroes they fight, for example. Like Bane. Or Doomsday. Or Mr. Hyde. Or Firelord. Or Umar. Or Ulik.

And there are also a lot of heroes whom people like who haven't been around very long. Like Xorn. Or Hellboy. Or Cassandra Cain's Batgirl. Or, really, anyone in IndyClix.

Characters don't get REVs necessarily just because they've been around for a long time and are shown 'growing'. It could be that sometimes characters get REVs because they're popular and WizKids wants to give people a number of options to include on their teams (ie: fit in under a certain number of points, have slightly different powers, etc.).

[razorramon31]

LOL!;)

[Silver Lantern]

Originally posted by SinisterManus
i think carlos died, he hasn't responed in more than 8 hrs. how could you not log back into this site for more than 8 hrs? this is so addicting......................
Dude, trust me here man.
IF you know what is good for you, you will leave this site and NEVER, EVER return.
Otherwise, welcome to the addiction that is Realmworx! May god have mercy on your soul.
:grin::grin: :grin:

[venom2099]

Originally posted by Spinebreaker

2 issues of the series... that's around 20% of the run... If it was the same in the standard universe he'd have been in the brotherhood about 15 years. The only ultimate character who deserves an REV is Spidey. Even that's dubious.

2 out 46 is 1/23. This is less than 5%. This would mean about 2 years in reg. continuity as you were saying it. Just thought you should know.

[SoRetarded]

Originally posted by JacinB
But, to follow that line of thinking, there are a number of other figures who shouldn't get REVs because they either a) haven't appeared in enough issues, or b) haven't 'evolved' over their comic appearances.Agreed. I think that there is NO reason to make REV versions of figures who don't need them. The whole point of REV (at least in my understanding) is to show how characters evolved over time, or changed teams, or had their powers swapped out / replaced / canceled and brought back / whatever, or were replaced by new heroes / villains taking up the name / identity. REV works for characters like that, single shot characters don't need REV's and I have always thought that it was silly to do REV's for figures that didn't need it...

Now, from a business standpoint I understand some of the reasons why they need to do REV's every time they want to do a "common" character. For one thing, instead of needing 98 sculpts and paintjobs they only need 38 or so. That cuts down on production costs and labor so of COURSE it makes sense that they would want to do that. Also, if they decided to make the 1-shots be the Uniques, that means that maybe more unpopular figures appear as Uniques and that isn't a great idea. If nobody wants the unique (or less people because it isn't a popular character or made a limited run in 1 arc of 1 book or whatever) then that hurts the secondary market for the Uniques. Since it is a collectible game, and they built in the notion of Uniques (which are inherently more rare then any other figure then LE) they were purposefully pushing the cost of the Uniques up in the secondary market. Yeah, there are tons of reasons from a business standpoint, but I don't care about their bottom line, I'm just a player :grin:.

I don't see why (other then it wasn't the initial business model) they didn't include something like REV,U,Stable or something so that characters that didn't change a lot could be released as 1 shots that were more common then Uniques but without incurring the whole REV line. They could make it be 10% of the release or however small they wanted. Once the initial sculpt is done, it's just an assembly line for molding the figures and the paint jobs as it is right now aren't so great (who doesn't have at LEAST 1 figure with an eye on their cheek, chin or top of their head?). I'd be willing to bet that it wouldn't impact the bottom line too much but would make the game more appealing (to me at least). Then again, I have no idea how much it would effect the bottom line since I have nothing to base my opinion on :grin:.

Originally posted by JacinB
There are a lot of villains who haven't made nearly as many appearances as the heroes they fight, for example. Like Bane. Or Doomsday. Or Mr. Hyde. Or Firelord. Or Umar. Or Ulik.True, but I don't see how that really impacts my argument very much. If there is no reason to have the full REV set, just release them as standalones or 1-shots (as I have started calling them) with whatever common-ness they want and NOT as uniques. If they want everyone to have them make them as common as the skrulls and rank them as a 1. If they want less people to have them, give them 2's or 3's. Pretty hard to find, 4's or 5's. Near impossible 6's. That rarity level is already built in to the game. Give them a Green ring maybe... I don't see the point in making a full REV line if there is no reason to do so.

Originally posted by JacinB
And there are also a lot of heroes whom people like who haven't been around very long. Like Xorn. Or Hellboy. Or Cassandra Cain's Batgirl. Or, really, anyone in IndyClix.Okay, but that doesn't mean they should be forced into a model that doesn't work for them. There is no reason why they couldn't have started doing 1-shots with green rings and just making them be however common they want or only release a rookie in this set and then experienced and veterans in later sets as the characters progress.

Originally posted by JacinB
Characters don't get REVs necessarily just because they've been around for a long time and are shown 'growing'. It could be that sometimes characters get REVs because they're popular and WizKids wants to give people a number of options to include on their teams (ie: fit in under a certain number of points, have slightly different powers, etc.). If the common-ness rating is high enough on the figures they will be available to anyone who wants them... Now the 'making them fit on teams' argument is a good one, and I can see that as a valid reason to include REVs for everyone, but they didn't do that with the Uniques. If I want Spiral on my team I have to have enough points for her so I make room elsewhere. I don't see what the difference is if they are "unique" and only available in 1 version or 1-shots with green rings and only available in 1 version...

The same can be said for the different powers. It is a good argument from a gameplay point but doesn't really work in the meta-game. This is a super hero game first, and a miniature game second. Except for the fact that these are heroes we are talking about, and not mechs with different load-outs or different soldiers or knights with different armor or whatever that is a pretty compelling reason, but if you want to use Firelord or Colossus or Cyclops for your team you are picking them because of the character. If you aren't playing themed teams, then so long as there are enough different types of 'Ranged Guys', 'Bricks', 'Flyers' etc. with enough variant powers then it doesn't matter what or who you play. People (who aren't playing themed teams) don't play rookie Robin because they love rookie Robin, they play him for his TA...

But we're getting off the point. Keep them dials rolling please :grin:

[dj_sha]

Well, the Ultimates kind of narrows things down:

R=fight with Hulk
E=fight with Magneto
V=fight with Skrulls or Ultimate 6

Of course that's hardly worth an REV for 20 or so issues, but they made it.

[Glorfindel]

Any more stats??

Stats people! No more talking... :p

[Legion-of-Doom]

I concur.

Take your green ring arguments over to general discussion, this is the rumor mill guys ;)

Anyone know Vet Hawkeyes point cost off hand ?

[malvenconker]

i want to see Magneto, Iron Man & Hulk!!!:eek:

[Dalandow]

Is Ironman even suppose to be in Ultimates, I didn't see his name on Boneyards list.

[dj_sha]

He's #85, a unique.

[WhiteRabbit909]

Originally posted by dj_sha
He's #85, a unique.

And I can't wait to get him. :grin:

[Dalandow]

Thank you very much, I almost had a heart attack when I looked at the list and didn't see his name. I've been wanting a new one for some time now.

[dj_sha]

Well, if he's done right at least :ermm:.

[WhiteRabbit909]

Originally posted by dj_sha
Well, if he's done right at least :ermm:.

With the Ultimates TA, I'm sure he will be.

[dj_sha]

True, but we've already seen guys like Cyclops and Storm with 6 and 4 ranges. I'm not saying it'll happen, but I'm a little skeptical...

[drgnoftyr]

Originally posted by Dalandow
Is Ironman even suppose to be in Ultimates, I didn't see his name on Boneyards list.


look again hehe;) ;)

[secretwarrior]

Hey...why's my post your sig dragontyr? should i be :) or :angry: ?


anywway, seeing as no one else has any stats and we'll probably get all of them tomorrow, let's say we let the thread die....


oh and if we're talking bad accents, you should here my stereo typic italian :grin:

(I AM 100% italian, so don't get all "he's offensive to my culture.")

ciao, stai bene y contnuia a "Rock." that was for the ladies ;)

[Manchine]

ciao = hello Remember that much.


I use to know italian. :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :( :( :(

[drgnoftyr]

Originally posted by secretwarrior
Hey...why's my post your sig dragontyr? should i be :) or :angry: ?


anywway, seeing as no one else has any stats and we'll probably get all of them tomorrow, let's say we let the thread die....


oh and if we're talking bad accents, you should here my stereo typic italian :grin:

(I AM 100% italian, so don't get all "he's offensive to my culture.")

ciao, stai bene y contnuia a "Rock." that was for the ladies ;)

if you have read the pet peeves about spelling thread you should be:laugh: cause you summed up some of my point's in that statement :laugh: :laugh:

[secretwarrior]

Originally posted by drgnof tyr
you should be:laugh: cause you summed up some of my point's in that statement


well I am happy...now about the royalties. I believe 5 cents every time you post would be fine compensation. Or an Ultiamte Thor, whichever is more convenient.

OH AND HOW ABOUT A SOURCE CITATION IN YOUR SIG HMMMMM ;)

[secretwarrior]

Originally posted by Manchine
ciao = hello Remember that much.


I use to know italian. :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :( :( :(


ciao= hello
stai bene = be well (as to health)
continua a "Rock" = my Italian version of "Rock On" (literally, continue to rock)

[Dalandow]

(I AM 100% italian, so don't get all "he's offensive to my culture.")


I'm Half Italian, the other Half is Native American.

[secretwarrior]

Originally posted by Dalandow
I'm Half Italian, the other Half is Native American.


too bad you're not a girl, causes that sounds like a good looking combo!!! :)




....uhh you're not a girl right?

[allen_huang]

JacinB said
quote:
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Originally posted by allen_huang
Silver Lantern...

you make me LMAO too much...

thankee for the laffs...
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Hey now, what's this all aboot, eh?

Where was Silver Lantern funny? I was the one who was funny. Don't be giving him my funny credit.


ok ok... you can be funny too JacinB...

any more sympathy votes for JacinB out there?

*silence*

sorry dude.. i tried.. :noid:

:laugh: :laugh: just kidding man. PEACE! :laugh: :laugh:

[drgnoftyr]

Originally posted by secretwarrior
well I am happy...now about the royalties. I believe 5 cents every time you post would be fine compensation. Or an Ultiamte Thor, whichever is more convenient.

OH AND HOW ABOUT A SOURCE CITATION IN YOUR SIG HMMMMM ;)


how about i remove it or change it around even more than i already have...

cause none of that is worth the trouble..:devious: :devious: :ermm: ;) :grin: :laugh:

[secretwarrior]

rats!!!! and i already cancelled my 401K :grin:

[Manchine]

Reposting this

Callisto (E)

8(rs) 10 15(ss) 2
8(rs) 9 14(cr) 2
8(rs) 9 13(cr) 2
7 8 13(cr) 2
7 8 12(cr) 1
6 7 12 1

51 Points, Morlocks, 6 rng, 1 arrow

Black Widow (E)

7 (st) 8(inc) 15(wp) 2
6 (st) 8(inc) 15(wp) 2
6 (st) 7 14 (cr) 2
6 (rs) 7 13 (cr) 2
4 (rs) 6 12 (cr) 1
4 5 12 1

43 points, SHIELD, 6 rng, 1 arrow

Black Widow (V)

7 (st) 9 (inc) 16 (wp) 3
7 (st) 8 (inc) 15 (wp) 2
6 (st) 8 (inc) 15 (cr) 2
6 (rs) 7 14 (cr) 2
6 (rs) 7 13 (cr) 2
4 (rs) 6 12 1

59 pnts, ULTIMATES, 6 rng, 1 arrow

V Mysterio 4 range 1 target collect#51 68pts

7st 6mc 6mc 5mc 5st 4st
9sc 9sm 8sm 7sc 7sc 6
16ss 16ss 15ss 15 14 12
2ow 2ow 2ow 1ow 1 1

[secretwarrior]

does sm on attack mean smoke cloud?

[Nightcrawler31]

Check the units new stuff in there.

[purelard]

Originally posted by Sho-nuff
Alright, so you're saying that Low Defense/Impervious isn't perfectly represented by that exact incident? High defense would mean he didn't even hit him; a low defense with Impervious, however, would mean he's easy to connect with, just hard to damage. You know ... like Colossus. He doesn't really move out of the way, things still hit him, they just bounce off. Like Iron Man. I think it's a much more perfect representation of the comics than giving him a high defense with Invulnerability. It means someone could connect with him for as much damage as you want and you could still shrug it off like it were nothing.

To sum it up - they did a good job of it and I don't think there's any room for criticism on it. The Colossus defense issue has been beaten to death in the earlier version and I think this one sounds as perfect as you can get.

-S

not sure thats true. EXAMPLE everyone and ther dog hits Juggernaut in the comics. juggs stand ther or walks toward you asking you to hit him. on his dial is an 18 def. which would suggest (according to your theory) hes hard to hit

[razorramon31]

You wanted Thor?
YOU GOT THOR!!!!!

KC SUPES LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!