Marvel HeroClix Ultimates Sneak Peek: Magneto!

[BrotherMagneto]

<p align="center"><img src="/images/ultimates/ul092.jpg"><P ALIGN="CENTER"><TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD COLSPAN="3" ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Magneto</B></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Unit Num:</B> 092</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Point Value:</B> 144</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Team:</B> Brotherhood of Mutants</TD></TR></TABLE><P><B>Playtip/Game Designer Note:</B><BR>The Ultimate Magneto is a powerhouse. He combines excellent stats with a combination of powers that allows him to play a supporting role – by moving teammates forward with Telekinesis or with flight and granting an extra action with Leadership – or to go on the offensive with Running Shot, 10 range with two targets, and 4 damage. No matter how you use him, he’ll be around for a while because his magnetic force fields give him fantastic defensive powers. Teamed up with the right group of characters, Magneto makes a great centerpiece, even at 144 points.<P><B>Game Design:</B> Jon Leitheusser<BR><B>Sculptor:</B> Jeff Grace<BR><B>Painter:</B> Chris Hart

[Magog321]

1st post?

[sniksder]

every time i see this sculpt.....i have a hard time not thinking of Rocky the Flying Squirrel......

[Magog321]

cool piece..sculpt kinda cartoonish tho

[neworder01]

It is what Magneto is suppossed to be.

[albinus]

It would look a heck of alot better if the inside of his mask was darkened in so you couldn't see his face, and he didn't look like he was being eaten by a giant fruit roll-up.
His stats are ok enough, but still a far cry from a true master of magnetism and not just a glorified TK cannon.

[Noman]

Powers and points sound right.

Sculpt is, well, aweful.

What were they thinking ???

This will SO end up with modded figs on it -or even with just the origenal figure, on the new base...

I've not often been dissapointed with HC sculpts - but this one is right there with Big Wasp, Cap America REV and Cap Marvel...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[MeatLoafX]

cool piece..sculpt kinda cartoonish tho
Ok, am I the only one who finds this funny?

;)

[DemonRS]

I've got mine coming in the mail! I can't wait!
Though I'll be using the original mags sculpt...

[rouge2]

Playability aside, I really liked the IC sculpt a little better than this one. It looked both regal and menacing.

Sorry WK.

[CPUX]

The only way I could see playing him is by protecting him from outwitters. He's got damage reducing powers to keep him around, but his short dial (for his point value) means if he gets ganged up on by a few shooters and Black Panther, he's another 144 points for your opponent. Flying running shot gives him that edge, but once he's in the fray, he's easy pickins without a meat shield covering him.

[albinus]

I looked over his stats again and must admit that he looks better than I first thought. The only thing I would have added is more 3's instead of 2's on damage and a lot of force blast.
I was suprised not to find Arwen King's name as the sculptor on this one. I hope I have an extra IC Magneto to swap out for this one.

[lukebuchanan]

He's on acid! Big ol' eyes.......IC sculpt was so sweet..

[albinus]

I looked over his stats again and must admit that he looks better than I first thought. The only thing I would have added is more 3's instead of 2's on damage, a lot of force blast, and at least one more click of life. Heck with the cost as long as it's reasonable.
I was suprised not to find Arwen King's name as the sculptor on this one. I hope I have an extra IC Magneto to swap out for this one.

[Gentlegamer]

IC Magneto is going on this base!

[Danny Rand]

that sculpt blows azs!!

[darthnader]

There's a wild fandango loose in the theater.

Rarrrrr!

[DemonRS]

Originally posted by Danny Rand
that sculpt blows azs!!

uh-oh.. impending warning pts?? :cheeky: :ermm:

[Spock]

Originally posted by sniksder
every time i see this sculpt.....i have a hard time not thinking of Rocky the Flying Squirrel......

LOL...now I wanna go watch my Rocky and Bullwinkle first season DVD..

[coyotejack]

Aside from the fact that he looks like he's going, "OOGA BOOGA!" I think he'll definately be usable.

[bladestalker]

I love the marty feldman eyes.!!!

[Funky Jett]

Why is he leaning up against a giant flower?

;)

[Dr0ctopus]

He appears to have the same expression that the boxers in "Punch-Out!!!" have when you daze them.

[ncernak]

It looks like he is leaning on a cop car getting frisked by Jonny Law. ;)

[DaLuvster89]

Having seen this fig in person at WWE - I liked the sculpt...

*Ducks barrage of rotten fruit*

[Miraclo]

The sculpt has me expecting the life-size Magneto to be pudgy and standing 5' 4" in his bootheels. Was the sculptor inspired by someone who appeared in costume at a comics convention? The paint job on this one (hopefully rushed for the pic) isn't helping. (As you've seen one, DaLuvster, is most of the problem an unfortunate trick of the paint job?)

The pose itself is good, and the torso appears to be well done, but the head and limbs seem lacking. (Before someone else says it, yes, it's probably better than I'd be able to do it, but I'm not trying to make a living at it.)

[delowen]

Originally posted by albinus
It would look a heck of alot better if the inside of his mask was darkened in so you couldn't see his face, and he didn't look like he was being eaten by a giant fruit roll-up.

:grin: :grin: :grin: Now THAT was funny!!:classic:


It's a nice sculpt although you can add me to the list that prefers the IC sculpt of Magneto; this one just doesn't look as foreboding.

[the itsy bit]

yep..

the old sculpt goes on him !!
talking aboot meatshields, isn't that what Toad is for ?!:devious:

[xfdragon]

it's odd that some of the paintjobs are done SO WELL and others...

well, let's just say that they ain't gonna win no prizes...

*shudders at memories of prev. bad painted figs*

[DaLuvster89]

Originally posted by Miraclo
(As you've seen one, DaLuvster, is most of the problem an unfortunate trick of the paint job?)

You know, now that you mention it, he did look a bit short.

But, I think the main problem is the two-dimensional nature of the pic. I remember being really impressed with his cape, mostly - maybe if you were to hop over to the Wizkids site and use the little rotating arrow thing under their pictures there, you'll see what I mean... Or maybe not... :)

[Danny Rand]

Originally posted by Danny Rand
that sculpt blows azs!!

[quicklymilktea]

Originally posted by darthnader
There's a wild fandango loose in the theater.

Rarrrrr!

haha.

Can you tell him that Mister.....Fandango is here to see him


Anyways, I actually like the sculpt. It actually looks a little bit like Ian McKellan. I'm sure the actually sculpt will look cooler, can't really see the full effect of the blowing cape.

[Gacy's Clown]

Originally posted by CPUX
The only way I could see playing him is by protecting him from outwitters. He's got damage reducing powers to keep him around, but his short dial (for his point value) means if he gets ganged up on by a few shooters and Black Panther, he's another 144 points for your opponent.

Why do people still use the ol' "but if they get outwitted, they're gonna go down easy" argument, especially for high cost figs? This is redundant and common sense, as Outwit can make short work of just about EVERY figure.:cheeky:

[Batman1983]

Here is a link to my 'Xorn: Master of Magnetism' Sculpt

http://www.t-tartdirections.com/jordan/Custom%20Xorn.htm

Sorry that the pictures are blurry...

[Miraclo]

Originally posted by DaLuvster89
You know, now that you mention it, he did look a bit short.

But, I think the main problem is the two-dimensional nature of the pic. I remember being really impressed with his cape, mostly - maybe if you were to hop over to the Wizkids site and use the little rotating arrow thing under their pictures there, you'll see what I mean... Or maybe not... :)

I'll have to wait until I'm back home, as the filters or some other obstruction where I am don't allow me to see the figures in motion, nor even to rotate them a fraction at a time.

[AEONFLUX]

Originally posted by Danny Rand
that sculpt blows azs!!

Actually it looks like he is being blown away by one!

[Batman1983]

& stats

HTML:
Working off an old point costing document:

Magneto: Master of Magnetism!

10 range 1 targets Brotherhood

9 8 8 8 7 7 6 6
11 10 9 8 7 7 6 5
19 18 17 15 15 14 13 12
4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1

Speed = 5
Attack = 19.5
Defense = 14.5
Force B. = 7
Telekinesis = 36.5
Invulnerability = 18 (or 25. Supposedly a +7 for only being in the first 2 clicks.)
ESD = .5
Enhancement = 16 (or 32. I’m supposed to double total cost if Invulnerability is present)
Brotherhood = 5.6

Total = 123 (or up to 146. 150 if you make him a 2 target character.)

What are your thought?

[Gacy's Clown]

I think your room needs cleaned up....

[DarkBlueAnt]

I still think he should have leadership a bit...no matter how useless it is (Especially with a Brotherhood theme)

[tyroclix]

For me, Magneto is all about board control. There are so many things he does in the comics - I just feel this version is just a one note character.

I'll concede this fits an offensive Magneto but I'd have much rather had a rainbow dial of effects.

Where is the Force Blast or Phasing - he does push down walls and fling junk around all the time.

Where is the Pulse Wave, Quake, and Incapacitate. He's always affecting characters that surround him and tying them up in metal girders.

What about Defend? Will any villain besides LE Constrictor ever get it? No ES/D? It sure makes Fate hard to hit. Heck, why not Mastermind and at least Willpower? Does Mag's Force Field really get worn down? I've never seen it. Start with Impervious then switch to something else - Impervious, Invulnerability, and then Toughness - those are Brick powers. Is Magneto really a freaking brick?

I just wanted a Magneto that was the Mutant Master of Magnetism and I think this is just a far reaching Beta-Ray Bill. He'll be good offensively, but I've got a dozen figs that can do the same thing for around the same cost.

I was hoping for a much more creative dial. Oh well...

[AZS]

tyroclix, just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time.

When mags came out in IC LOTS of people complained that he wasn't a powerhouse. So now he's a power house, and clearly some people would prefer he be a strategy piece.
:sigh:

Anyway, about the sculpt, its actually pretty good. I also saw it at WW East and think its pretty good. And it does definately look better if you can get the full 3D effect.
But, I do remember thinking when I saw it that he did look a little small.
Maybe Ultimate Magneto is just shorter. And perhaps that's why he's such a villian, he's compensating for being little. (although most non-mutants just buy a sports car for that.)

[tyroclix]

tyroclix, just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time.

Exactly - and I know I am probably in the minority. When I use a Magneto - I want my defintion of Magneto. Not Thor-lite.

And I (now used to) use the IC version. I thought his stats went down too fast - but he was alright.

I just think this guy is competing with himself. TK is a pure support power and his defense, attack, RS and damage values scream main attacker. He's going to usually come with a TK fig, rather than being the TK fig.

The IC version provided the TK and Leadership and then worked well as a secondary attacker.

:sigh:

No need to be disappointed. No figure will ever make everyone happy. Some will connect with a majority of players (like Mags does) and some won't (like U Batgirl).

But that's why the come in sets of 96 (or 97). That way there is something for everyone.

I think the U Phoenix (especially if she has that 8 range) is the best U in the set.

[SithSpecter]

This is a fantastic Magneto. Incap? Defend? No thanks. I'll take this Magneto who can whomp on the other team from the front lines much like Magneto does. Especially Ultimate Magneto. TK is very useful even in this powerhouse incarnation.
Tossing those brawlers off of him and into your ready team mates is great strategy and effectively true to the charecter. The only thing I don't really get on the dial is Energy Explosion but it can be rationilzed out I guess.

[shock man x]

I agree with tyroclix about IC Magneto. I used him too. I used the vet in many teams with the big mag tking out figures first then coming through with a little perplex or enhancement to finish off figures.

This version is a front liner, not the support figure the IC is. That's fine with me too. Magneto has those two sides to him. Calm tactician to reckless attacker. I still like his figure, even the Xorneto figure that is mail away.

[tyroclix]

Tossing those brawlers off of him and into your ready team mates is great strategy and effectively true to the charecter.

Certainly a viable option - although I wonder how often it will be used that then dishing out 4 clicks of damage.

Regardless, when I heard Magneto was in the set (and being a big fan of the character), I was hoping for a figure that could occupy a position more like Green Lantern (who gives you TK, damage, Barrier, flight, WP, etc) who can attack and be great support fig rather than a figure who fills the same niche as Ultimate Iron Man, Beta-Ray Bill, E Thor, U Captain Marvel, Super-Skrull, Annihilius and even Terrax and Silver Surfer.

But, hey - most players are stoked and that's the important thing. There are enough good figs for everyone to have their favorite.

[Glorfindel]

Originally posted by coyotejack
Aside from the fact that he looks like he's going, "OOGA BOOGA!" I think he'll definately be usable.

Haha! Thats so true.

[Boozehound]

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/images/figures/rotating/HMUL/HMUL_092_rot12.JPG

Thought I'd place a side view of the fig to give a little justice.

[SonofVader]

Hah! I'm a scary old man! I really think this figure is going to be solid... I love the idea of running him with a ton of smaller figures that are begging to be TKed (heck, you could do it with Brotherhood and X-Men figures only). Then, when the forces are thinned out...

~*BOOM*~

Magnus. Crushing all in front of him.

Of course, I'd probably play Iron Man over him, but that's because Iron Man is one of my top 5 comic characters of all time, while Mags is only in my top 10...

[AZS]

Originally posted by tyroclix
I just think this guy is competing with himself. TK is a pure support power and his defense, attack, RS and damage values scream main attacker. He's going to usually come with a TK fig, rather than being the TK fig.

The IC version provided the TK and Leadership and then worked well as a secondary attacker.I used IC Mags alot, and sang praises of him, that most people ignored. Then I went and smacked people around with the cheapest ranged natural 4 damage in the game. Even up through Unleashed. But Ult changes that with Cyclops and Electro at nearly 1/2 IC Vet Mag's cost anyway.

As for having a second TKer, dual TK is a very popular strategy. One TKer as your primary, to push and just be transportation. And a second that can start out helping people move around, then be an attacker as well. Moondragon is good for that now, as is Vet Johnny Alpha. And I can totally see doing that with Ult Mags.

Toss 2 front line attackers out in one turn and soften up the opposition, then toss out Mags and running shot what's left.

Also, I don't know if people are just overlooking this, but the info I have says this Magneto does have Leadership.

[GroovyBoy]

Is this a D&D NPC jumping out of the forest and trying to scare my party before asking for all our valuables?

[Silver Lantern]

The fruit roll up coment was priceless!!!
Attack of the killer Fruit Roll Ups! LMAO!

[DaLuvster89]

Originally posted by Boozehound
Thought I'd place a side view of the fig to give a little justice.

Thanks, Boozehound! His cape definately looks better from a side angle...

[SusanoOrabatos]

One problem with Magneto and other high powered characters I've noticed is to give them, move and attack abilities as a way of improving their game ability even when it isn't warranted.

Have you ever seen Magneto move and attack in the comics (or movies if you prefer)? It's a rare to non-existant occurence. Magneto stands his ground and does his stuff (often whilst babbling about the mutant right to rule) . What Magneto should have is high natural damage (which he does disregarding the Xorn LE) since it does not matter how far away you are from whether its 1 cm to 1 km. If he knows you are there, you're toast. And speaking of far, 10" range? I'm sorry, he deserves a 12 with 3 targets. Finally, it is quite correct to give him lots of TK, ESD and leadership but he should have (as others have noted) a wider variety of abilities including but not necessarily limited to pulsewave, quake, enhancement, incapacitate, force blast, perplex and phasing.

It seems the game mandate is to give almost every high cost character a move and attack ability, impervious/invulnerability and high stats whether or not it makes since.

For example,
Thor - Thor does NOT run and shoot. Just because he can throw the hammer or shoot lightning does not mean he has to have running shot. But he does charge. Boy does he like to charge. Nothing he likes more than to fly in hammer first and beat on the bad guys. You want a correctly designed Thor? Try Magog minus the RCE (CCE instead) and super strength (energy explosion instead). Magog is a charging monster. That's much closer to how Thor should be.

Hulk - 13 attack rating?!?!? Sure he's angry and strong but a skilled combatant? Umm, no. There is a difference between attack and damage and a high powered character shouldn't necessarily have both at the same time. It is necessary to give strong characters a usable attack rating (hello REV Iron Man, hello John Stewart) but there is such a thing as pushing the limits of credability. Hulk has a higher attack rating at his peak than Thor (any Thor).

[doc_holleday]

Yep, you're absolutely right there.

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by Boozehound
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/images/figures/rotating/HMUL/HMUL_092_rot12.JPG

Thought I'd place a side view of the fig to give a little justice.

This pic looks like Magneto is waiting for a "high five!"

[I Am The Game]

I agree, SusanoOrabatos, but more people complain when a figure is unplayable than when it's not accurate.

For the sake of argument, could his Running Shot represent binding people in debris off-panel, and floating in on the last page to reveal himself as the mastermind?

[Gorrack]

Actually this figure, gameplay wise, is hands down the best 150ish point figure in the game. Hell, I say he wins in 120-180 even. No figure is as cheaply cost for what he does.

He is just hands down superior to Thor and Betaray Bill at the 144 mark. 2 extra range...extra target. Better movement. More damage reduction. Imperv over Invuln. TK over Super Strength which doesn't get used on a Running Shot figure often. Leadership over nothing. Same stats opening click beyond that. 2 clicks of 4 damage. Just a hands down better figure.

Now look at Despero...better attack, and much longer dial favors Despero. Magneto adds mobility, a flight base, 2 range, and a bit of support to his dial. Now, hands down, without Taxies anymore, the Running Shot and Range make him automatically the more playable figure as the RS/Soaring combo is insanely good. A figure with mobility is pretty much automatically better in competitive play hands down.

Even Vet Thor doesn't compare. You have same damage, less running shot, and 1 extra attack value. Still, you lose Imperv, no TK, no Leadership, and you 43 points in the hole compared to Magneto. Thor has the deeper dial though of course, so hes not a bad choice.

The new Thor is obviously stronger, but perhaps not for the points he costs. I'd rather take the 40ish points worth of support figs. Surfer is interesting but he doesn't start off with Imperv and can be shot right past it easy enough and his 3 damage is bad in bruiser fights. Terrax...eh, no thanks. I'll keep Mags.

I have a few awesome ideas as to how to abuse this figure in 300 point games and if used RIGHT he will win tournaments. He is better than the old Thors who were solid figures, and cheap enough to work.

[AlexHayden]

Gorrack has good point, sorta, I think... Who cares if Mags looks goofy?!? Yeah, we shell out money for these things, and yeah, if they all looked cool, it would be a DEFINATE plus. But, all in all, he's a good "centerpiece" fig, points for power speaking, of course. But as far as looks go, I'll stick to my panty-less Storm.... Oooh... Panty-less Storm.... (Drools on self, finds closet).

[scudpool]

He looks like he's falling from a building.

[scudpool]

Yeah, panty-less Storm.....

[tyroclix]

As for having a second TKer, dual TK is a very popular strategy. One TKer as your primary, to push and just be transportation. And a second that can start out helping people move around, then be an attacker as well. Moondragon is good for that now, as is Vet Johnny Alpha. And I can totally see doing that with Ult Mags.

Make no mistake, I never implied U Magneto stinks, is inaccurate, is too costly, is useless, etc.

He fits the front line attacker mold well - high damage, high attack, long range, move and attack option, etc.

My criticism stems from what I was really hoping to see. I wanted a diverse support fig with some strength. Again, Green Lantern is a perfect example (although not a perfect match) along the lines of what I was really expecting.

Will Magneto have his uses? Of course.

I'm just saying, for me, I wanted something different than the list of characters I've mentioned. Magneto could have had a very creative dial. A lot of interesting ideas went into Captain America's dial and many of the Unleashed dials and I was hoping for some of that with Mags.

His Magnetic Control is used in a myriad of different ways in the comics. He's stopped people by controlling the iron in their blood, he's healed Colossus while in armored form. He's bent girders to form walls and tied up people. He's flung objects. He's created an impenetrable force field for himself. He's created force fields to protect others. He's manipulated items from a vast distance. He's exploded metal objects, etc.

So when I took a look at Mag's dial and saw the Move object ability, Leadership, exploded metal ability, and a personal impenetrable force field - you might understand why I was disappointed.

If I pull one, I'll keep him. And if I run another Brotherhood team I'll certainly include him and will consider him on my mutant teams - but he doesn't tickle my imagination to include him on many others.

There are just too many other characters that do nearly the same thing for me to reach for him that often - which for me is too bad. If he had a more diverse dial he would have been my TK fig of choice on all my bad guy teams.

He starts off fine - but I would have had him settle into a different roll in the mid-dial rather than - guess it's time to run back to a medic.

That's all I meant.

[the itsy bit]

yep..

I totally agree with you Tyroclix !
I'm just happy with the half powered Magneto we got... I would have LOVED to have seen some Force blast,PW and or other things after the first couple clicks.

at least he's not a total failure like Storm and Colossus... :angry:

[mattsolo]

Can't you just picture a Gothum Police fig behind him saying "UP AGINST THE WALL AND SPREAD EM MUTIE!"

[St-Dumas]

Now, St-Dumas will attempt the greatest trick he's ever done: Care! Watch closely now...


...oh, bad luck old sport. That ought to put him out for a few days. Better luck next time. Here's our new attraction, Paint-Drinking Pete!

[Hughesovski]

does it make it any better that this is the cover that figure was based on?...

http://www2.gol.com/users/wizz/AME_ULTIMATE_X-MEN.HTML

could only post a link as im not allowed to post attachments :surprised