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Old 07/04/2012, 05:22
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I would like to point out that, in the movie, Mr. Fox explained that the "spelunkers" suit was NOT bulletproof. "Anything but a straight shot.". Ergo a bullet shot straight at him would penetrate, a ricochet...not so much.
...and I will point out that in the first two movies, his armor allowed him to walk away unharmed after falling from heights that would kill a normal man (like Harvey Dent), once while on fire, once onto a car from a penthouse.

If it was a comic book version of Batman, I'd agree that Invulnerability was too much, as that costume is frequently torn/ripped/shredded. So far, his movie armor has proven far more durable.
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Old 07/04/2012, 09:19
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I love the set. It is very movie accurate. Batman is fine, bane is sick, joker is nasty. All is well in this set.
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Old 07/04/2012, 09:45
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There are a bundle of very neat support pieces, and lots of good generics too. Even if it sounds silly, I've had an Arkham Inmate finish off GG Hulk with a BCF roll of 5, of course after Hulk was Outwitted by 001 The Dark Knight.

Had my friend nag at me for 15 minutes about how some prisoner with a knife shouldn't be able to take down Hulk.
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Old 07/04/2012, 10:00
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Since you've made the same blanket statement TWICE, I submit the following figures that are far from overpowered:

Master Bruce Wayne
Mass Market Bane
Carmine Falcone
Scarecrow
Starter Batman
Starter Joker
Harvey Two-Face
Mass Market Rachel Dawes

Those range from "meh" to awful.
I actually like that Scarecrow. Yeah, he's probably not as good as Scarecrow should be because of the weird way they decided to do his gas, but the Scarecrows we've gotten in the past (without power rings) have been so damned terrible that this one looks pretty good to me.

Of course, without the Legion of Doom keyword, he's only so useful to me...
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This whole set is overpowered in scale with HeroClix overall.

You keep saying this. And I disagree. Like the character interpretations or not, the dials are in scale. From a greater gameplay standpoint, that's all that matters.
From a fanboy standpoint, it's all relative. So everybody can think they're right despite what the opponent says.
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Old 07/04/2012, 10:12
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As for overpowered:

Starter Bane: I'll be shocked if he's this monstrous in the movie.

Marquee Batman: I love Batman, but he shouldn't do Penetrating Damage on every single click. He's going to have fun tearing up all of the Gauntlet wearers that are immune to Outwit, though, so I'm glad they made him.

Falcone Bodyguard: The first click needs -1 to Damage and Defense.

That's three.
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For the Falcone Bodyguard, I'd settle for losing either the CR or the CCE. With both he's beastly.
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You keep saying this. And I disagree. Like the character interpretations or not, the dials are in scale. From a greater gameplay standpoint, that's all that matters.
From a fanboy standpoint, it's all relative. So everybody can think they're right despite what the opponent says.
But see, that's not really the argument (at least as far as I can tell). I don't think anyone is trying to claim that there is a glut of broken figures in DKR. My interpretation is that there is a glut of characters who, by all rights should've been pogs if they were made at all, that got ridiculously inaccurate dials. I have no problem with the actual super heroes and villains (love that Joker), but Alfred, Harvey, Falcone Bodyguard, Rachel, and the Riot Cop are silly. I would've expected to see pocket Willpower on a Green Lantern dial, but instead some random DA is able to hand it out to everybody. When I first saw the Falcone Bodyguard B dial, I thought "Wow that's a great rookie Spider-Man."
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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But see, that's not really the argument (at least as far as I can tell). I don't think anyone is trying to claim that there is a glut of broken figures in DKR. My interpretation is that there is a glut of characters who, by all rights should've been pogs if they were made at all, that got ridiculously inaccurate dials. I have no problem with the actual super heroes and villains (love that Joker), but Alfred, Harvey, Falcone Bodyguard, Rachel, and the Riot Cop are silly. I would've expected to see pocket Willpower on a Green Lantern dial, but instead some random DA is able to hand it out to everybody. When I first saw the Falcone Bodyguard B dial, I thought "Wow that's a great rookie Spider-Man."
I mean, I get it, but what's the big deal? Bystanders get dials now. Might as well make 'em worth playing, right? They don't make many bad figures nowadays, so even the former bystanders will end up with good dials.
And I think most of the effects are pretty accurate, but that could just be me.
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I mean, I get it, but what's the big deal? Bystanders get dials now. Might as well make 'em worth playing, right? They don't make many bad figures nowadays, so even the former bystanders will end up with good dials.
And I think most of the effects are pretty accurate, but that could just be me.
It bugs me that characters like this have a major impact on the map when, according to what we've actually seen them do, they absolutely shouldn't. Harvey's Willpower ability should've been relegated to figures with the Batman TA only. Dunno why Rachel has Stealth and freaking double Perplex between her two figures. The Falcone Bodyguard...... Is it supposed to be Jet Li from The Expendables? If so WK is pretty sneaky about dodging royalty fees.

Edit: Also, the two new Ms. Marvel dials would like to discuss WK making bad figures with you.
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Quote : Originally Posted by thugit View Post
Since you've made the same blanket statement TWICE, I submit the following figures that are far from overpowered:

Master Bruce Wayne
Mass Market Bane
Carmine Falcone
Scarecrow
Starter Batman
Starter Joker
Harvey Two-Face
Mass Market Rachel Dawes

Those range from "meh" to awful.
I should qualify my bit of nerdrage hyperbole, I suppose. There are a lot of figures in this set that are too powerful for the characters they're supposed to represent as well as some that are just plain overpowered, generally.

Of the above, I agree that Master Bruce is fine (if a bit efficient to have that many powers AND two TAs), as are Falcone and Batman,
and yeah, Joker and Bane aren't so hot. Scarecrow is an accurate representation. Wondering how Rachel rates Stealth and Mind Control, or why Harvey 2Face gets Steal Energy and Prob.

It's also telling that these are most of the only "average or worse" dials in the set. Pretty much the rest — about 75% — are above average or better, about the opposite of most HC sets.

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...and I will point out that in the first two movies, his armor allowed him to walk away unharmed after falling from heights that would kill a normal man (like Harvey Dent), once while on fire, once onto a car from a penthouse.
One click of Invulnerability would suffice to represent all that. Knockback damage off buildings is 2 damage; Invuln. reduces by two.

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Like the character interpretations or not, the dials are in scale. From a greater gameplay standpoint, that's all that matters.
Yes. It's the character interpretations in comparison to those of similar characters in HC that bugs me most. Outwit used to be a power given to tactical geniuses or characters with highly specialized training or with a power set that suggests it. Not to beat cops like GCPD Officer!

GrimlockX has it right:

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But see, that's not really the argument (at least as far as I can tell). I don't think anyone is trying to claim that there is a glut of broken figures in DKR. My interpretation is that there is a glut of characters who, by all rights should've been pogs if they were made at all, that got ridiculously inaccurate dials. I have no problem with the actual super heroes and villains (love that Joker), but Alfred, Harvey, Falcone Bodyguard, Rachel, and the Riot Cop are silly. I would've expected to see pocket Willpower on a Green Lantern dial, but instead some random DA is able to hand it out to everybody. When I first saw the Falcone Bodyguard B dial, I thought "Wow that's a great rookie Spider-Man."
Yup. I rewatched Batman Begins last night just to make sure Falcone's bodyguard didn't do any Leap/Climb action. (And no, they didn't. If anything, they were completely at the mercy of the one character who DID rate L/C — Batman with his ziplines!)

This whole set (well, OK, 3/4 of it ) is overpowered in scale with HeroClix overall.
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Which Rachel has Stealth?
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Which Rachel has Stealth?
The mass market one. #205. One click of it. She doesn't get the cool Perplex power though. Apparently the mass market version doesn't know the ADA.
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Heh.

I haven't even considered the Mass Market one yet, considering how handy the other one is.
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Surprised more people aren't gushing on commissioner Gordon. He's the best piece to put the gauntlet on that I can think of. Sharpshooter to take advantage of Ranged powers, Indomitable to keep moving. stealth so he's hard to hit, traited mastermind where he can transfer to some higher point character so he'll never take damage if he doesn't want to, indomitable to keep going, defend and leadership so he's worth his points if you don't want to use him to attack. police TA for more usefulness. a game-changeing leadership power when you roll a 6 (I've had multiple games where catwoman acted every turn).

to my mind he's the most overlooked fig in the set, not so much because he doesn't get mentioned, but because he's the fig I fear most. let me emphasize something I feel everyone keeps overlooking TRAITED MASTERMIND
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