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Oh, the whole Aunt May mess was just the start. There were a lot of fans that didn't want to see her brought back in the first place as it would take away a milestone for the character. After bringing her back they at least helped to update her and have her grow into a more modern Senior citizen.
Other characters Quesada messed with were Flash Thompson. Sure, the alcoholic gym teacher thing was old, but it worked for him. He became one of Peter's best friends and Peter had earned his respect. That showed growth. Then Quesada got his hand in the pot and took away his legs and turned him into Venom.
Speaking of Venom. Not a big fan of the character, but WTF happened there? Brock gets cancer, loses the symbiote to Mac Gargan then he gains an anti-symbiote symbiote which nullifies Peter's powers? How did that get ok'd?
Not to mention the tripe that was 'The Other' storyline that led to Peter getting organic web-shooters and then revealing his identity. He would never have done that. Even after that they had fixed it by saying he posed as Spider-Man to help the Scarlet Spiders out. Easy fix.
Man comics have sucked for Marvel the past decade.
A couple bad apples doesn't sour the batch... Marvel Comics and Amazing Spider-Man have both told some great stories in the past decade.
What you'll want to track down then are the old VHS tapes from Pizza Hut with the 90s X-Men cartoon on them. They showed the first few episodes and were the kid's meal toys. On these tapes they also interview Stan Lee about the X-Men. He also states in there how he came up with Spider-Man, which is wholly different than the story he tells on the Spider-Man DVD ten yrs ago.
Granted when he was called on the different stories he has since said it's been so many years that he has since changed the story to make it more dramatic. Interesting thing is that he mentions in that same video that Spider-Man as a teenager is almost was almost as strong as the Thing.
Thats good stuff, but I dont see why you quoted me and used that as a reply. I don't see the context. I was talking about the Clone Saga
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Thor doesn't even have the willpower to keep His thread on topic. :X
Cheers mate. That was hecka funny. But this is all thread relivent because we are discussing Spiderman and how it changed when JMS left, just like he also left writing Thor (though the guy whom replaced him I thought was even better and Journy Into Mystery is an amazing book)
Quote : Originally Posted by Mr. Cranberry
In those instances they do. Being that they completely changed the character, and not for the better.
Well, one could argue the same thing for the Clone Saga, or for afterwards when they brought back Norman from the dead. Heck, you could say that about Pete getting married in the first place. Any change could be seen as not for the better if you dont like it.
That being said, I think Spiderman stories have been pretty awesome the past, well, however long I've been reading. Are there some stinkers in there, sure... but overall, it's been a great ride. I loved the whole Ezekiel thing with Morlun and the mystical ties they gave Spidey (i know some don't, but I thought it rad). I loved that Pete was a high school teacher (i hecka miss that), I thought it was cool when Pete revealed himself in Civil War (I could see that happening after the relationship he built with Stark) and it was great seeing how everyone reacted to it. I was pissed when they did OMD and got rid of ALL of that.....
..... but the BND Spidey stories are good enough that I begrudgingly enjoyed them and the most recent stuff has been a super fun ride.
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Thats good stuff, but I dont see why you quoted me and used that as a reply. I don't see the context. I was talking about the Clone Saga
It had to do with you meeting JMS and the reference to the Spider-Man character in those interviews. Though it could've been that I just quoted the wrong post. I don't really remember.
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Well, one could argue the same thing for the Clone Saga, or for afterwards when they brought back Norman from the dead. Heck, you could say that about Pete getting married in the first place. Any change could be seen as not for the better if you dont like it.
The difference there was they added to the overall history of the character. Even bringing Norman back was a great way to show that this one foe had been just screwing with Peter the whole time. Whereas OMD/BND and all that basically scrapped a good chunk of what made the character.
That being said, I think Spiderman stories have been pretty awesome the past, well, however long I've been reading. Are there some stinkers in there, sure... but overall, it's been a great ride. I loved the whole Ezekiel thing with Morlun and the mystical ties they gave Spidey (i know some don't, but I thought it rad).[/quote]
I did like the Ezekiel mystical arc as it touched on Stan Lee's story from those videos. Everything else I wasn't a fan of after that, like The Other storyline.
The teacher thing was ok, but I'm glad it was only temporary and the unmasking was wholly against who the character is. Though they did try to resolve that with the Scarlet Spiders.
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I wanted to reply to whoever had PM'd me asking where it was shown that Spider-Man should be around a 45ton or higher strength class. It had to do when he was first asked to join the Avengers. Head out and find Essential Amazing Spider-Man #2. In the last issue of that collection you'll see it's in the Giant-Sized issue.
Spider-Man takes on the entire Avengers including Giant Man, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Cap and he even coldcocks the Hulk. All of this was while he was still a teenager. He has aged approximately 10yrs since then and only gotten stronger.
By way of what his creators designated Spider-Man should be closer to the 45ton class or higher as during that fight the Avengers were unable to hold Spider-Man down or subdue him.
Everything that has come after is poor writing that has discounted his strength level due to most of his foes being street level and closer to Batman's villains in terms of power.
WizKids GamePlay, "You can only play our game if you buy the new stuff. Those old figures are dirty and obsolete."
Record vs VGA d1sc1pL3: W-3 L-0
... and not every character needs Power Cosmic/Quintessence to be good. I still kind of want a 'Golden Oldie,' just for the lulz.
BRAIN-EDIT: BatB Nekron. He needed Quintessence. And Parallax.
Spider-Man is my favorite character. Just as Hawkeye is the coolest Avenger, except when Iceman is there. Juggernaut is one of my favorite villains, except for what they've done with him the past ten years. Heck, all three have been vaselined by quesada the past decade. Except quesada didn't have the courtesy to use Vaseline.
WizKids GamePlay, "You can only play our game if you buy the new stuff. Those old figures are dirty and obsolete."
Record vs VGA d1sc1pL3: W-3 L-0
Playable Thor? You think we're missing that?!?!?!?! What the heck happened to these guys?
I have found this to also be effective:
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(Speed) Stand Together!: When turning the dial, if there is an adjacent friendly figure with the Avengers keyword and the same or higher point value and this click is revealed due to damage taken from an opponent's attack, stop turning the dial.
I was shocked at how well this piece played without flight. With the 110 CW Iron Man carrying Thor forward to base someone in this formation:
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Quote : Originally Posted by rorschachparadox
Only problem is that Superclone is a unique member. The irrational members never get made uniques, which is why we see so many swarms of them.
Ill agree with that. However, arent these modern versions of 10th supposed to be the clixed version of the strongest the character ever was? At least that was my understanding.
No. In fact, some of the figures in the 10th collection are homages to their initial versions (Jay Garrick Flash is a good example), and as you know, older clix have a tendency to be inferior to newer ones...
Always be yourself. Unless you can be a unicorn. Then always be a unicorn.
I can cite numerous more instances where he proves his indomitable will. Two off the top of my head are. One of the easiest to find is at during 'The Gathering of Five' when Norman Osborn returned. Another is during the classic issue where Mephisto is trying to break Peter's will and Uatu is there discussing with him that Mephisto can not break Peter's will as he has the strongest will, even over that of Steve Rogers.
Really, what A-List superhero/villain* hasn't shown indomitable will numerous times? That's one of the reasons why they're super in the first place...
*or B/C-listers when they are featured in stories or given their own mini-series
Always be yourself. Unless you can be a unicorn. Then always be a unicorn.
Really, what A-List superhero/villain* hasn't shown indomitable will numerous times? That's one of the reasons why they're super in the first place...
*or B/C-listers when they are featured in stories or given their own mini-series
The difference is those characters show it every once in a while and is easily represented by WillPower. Whereas characters like Spider-Man, Batman, Captain America & Superman have that will as part of who they are.
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Ill agree with that. However, arent these modern versions of 10th supposed to be the clixed version of the strongest the character ever was? At least that was my understanding. And then World Breaker and Brainiac some what confirmed that. If thats truly the case, I'd prefer my favorite character and the effn' god of thunder to not have to take a breather after he walks 8 squares becasue he forgot how to fly...
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Of the two that we have seen, yes that seems right. (although we don't know what the is on the Modern version yet).
And as Hubbard mentioned, there is the Asguardian ATA.
Add to that that one of the 3 Marvel Chases that are believed to be a part of the set will be a Thor.
And correct me if I'm wrong but I was of the understanding that the Chases were #22-23-24 (and therefore the moderns of Spider-Man, Captain, Wolverine, and Thor *minus one), not #25-26-27 (which would consitute sculpts and dials we haven't seen anything of).
And seriously people, correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong on this one.
And correct me if I'm wrong but I was of the understanding that the Chases were #22-23-24 (and therefore the moderns of Spider-Man, Captain, Wolverine, and Thor *minus one), not #25-26-27 (which would consitute sculpts and dials we haven't seen anything of).
And seriously people, correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong on this one.
As per the Evidence thread via Jarosa:
There are 3 chases per 10th anniversary set.
Those 3 chases are part of the 24 figure collation, with 12 redone classics and 12 brand new Modern representations.
Those 3 share a common theme.
In Marvel, we have seen 8 characters officially released:
Hulk, Thing, Marvel Girl, Iron Man, Emma Frost, Magneto, Storm, Green Goblin.
We have seen Thor has a Common and Uncommon figure, therefore - not chase.
So that leaves 3 figures - we know that there is a Weapon X Wolverine, a web slinging Spidey and Cap jumping over sandbags. We have not seen the alternative sculpts for the 3.
By process of elimination ... Wolverine, Spiderman and Captain America must be the chases.
What do those three things share in common that might be a theme:
They are all Avengers.
They were all Skrulls that came off the ship that crashed in the Savage Land that brought back Mockingbird.
They were all present in the Zombies storyline.
They have all previously had Zombie figures made in game.
They all ... ummm ... have never been in my kitchen.
Let me reiterate - none of these things are confirmed as the theme.
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Quote : Originally Posted by rorschachparadox
Only problem is that Superclone is a unique member. The irrational members never get made uniques, which is why we see so many swarms of them.
As per the Evidence thread via Jarosa:
There are 3 chases per 10th anniversary set.
Those 3 chases are part of the 24 figure collation, with 12 redone classics and 12 brand new Modern representations.
Those 3 share a common theme.
In Marvel, we have seen 8 characters officially released:
Hulk, Thing, Marvel Girl, Iron Man, Emma Frost, Magneto, Storm, Green Goblin.
We have seen Thor has a Common and Uncommon figure, therefore - not chase.
So that leaves 3 figures - we know that there is a Weapon X Wolverine, a web slinging Spidey and Cap jumping over sandbags. We have not seen the alternative sculpts for the 3.
By process of elimination ... Wolverine, Spiderman and Captain America must be the chases.
What do those three things share in common that might be a theme:
They are all Avengers.
They were all Skrulls that came off the ship that crashed in the Savage Land that brought back Mockingbird.
They were all present in the Zombies storyline.
They have all previously had Zombie figures made in game.
They all ... ummm ... have never been in my kitchen.
Let me reiterate - none of these things are confirmed as the theme.
I'm hoping for the "Never Been In Superclone's Kitchen" theme. It opens up so many possibilities.
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