Lof from elevated level 2 normal figs to colossal level 2 with elevated normal figures in line of fire indoor. Blocked or not?

Effectively can line of fire be drawn to a level 1 grounded colossal as if it occupies mire than 2 levels?

Okay I have to restate your questions because I think your missing some words so I am not sure I have the correct question.


If you are asking in number 1, can an elevated colossal draw line of sight to a normal character on the same elevation if there is a normal character on the same elevation between them, the answer is yes.

I think you are asking in number 2 can a normal character on elevation 2 draw line of sight to a colossal on level 1. Again yes, as long as no characters, wall, or blocking terrain are between them.

According to the Rules for 'Great Size:'
"This character (Giant or Colossal) may dreaw lines of fire (and have lines of fire drawn to it) as if the character (Giant or Colossal) occupied the elevation equal to or greater than the elevation it (Giant or Colossal) occupies, using the elevation with the least restrictive line of fire."

What needs to be clarified:
If a Great Size character (Giant or Colossal) is on Level 1 and a Standard Size character is on Level 2, is the line of fire to/from these 2 figures 'Clear' -OR- 'Blocked' if it passes through a square on Level 2 that contains another Standard Size character.

According to the Line of fire chart for 'Elevated Standard Sized' characters drawing line of fire to 'Grounded Great Size' characters is 'Clear' when the line of fire Passes through 'Standard Sized' characters.

Can anyone confirm the rules specifically on this situation?

LoF would be clear, you would draw through level 3... Even indoors the characters can draw line of fire to any level they want.

So you're saying colossals have unlimited height and levels? So a character on say level 4 can shoot a colossal on level on one? Hmmm....that doesn't sound right.

I'm saying if you have 3 elevations and 2 Giants
G 1 2 3 3 2 1 1 G
Red=Opposing
Blue=Character Being Targeted
G=Great Size Ability
#=Elevation Level.

1 can Target G at any level
2 can Target G at any level
3 can Target G at level 2 or higher (level 2 elevation will block LoF to Level 1)
G can Target G at level 3 or higher (Level 3 elevation will block LoF to lower Levels and 3 will not block LoF because smaller characters do not block LoF for Larger characters.

And any higher level can be up to infinity since maps do not have any defined height. So, you can target a Great Size character at elevation 4 million of you so choose.

I have to agree with you that it does not sound right, but it is. The unlimited height part of colossals is one of those things I wish WK would change. Make Giants so they are considered 2 elevation and colossals 3 elevations.

I dunno...why doesnt it wording simply say LOF is never blocked to Colossal or Giant Sized figures by normal or tiny sized figures?

On the Bizarro World map that a little section colossals fall into and characters shoot across from level 4 to level right over them. Also, with the rationale of unlimted height you could shoot over an outdoor barrier and get them then?

Its completely counter intuitive

It does. From the PAC (top of the damage page):

The damage symbol represents the character’s size. characters are smaller than characters who are smaller than characters who are smaller than characters. Smaller characters do not block the line of fire drawn to or from larger characters.

Not at all. What people always trip up on is there is nothing really "different" about Great Size. All Great Size does is utilize the exisiting elevation rules. A character that can use Great Size can draw LOF/have LOF drawn to it as if it occupies its current elevation or higher.

So rather than talk about "this guy is big so I can draw LOF to him" you should be saying "I can draw LOF to this guy as if he is actually sitting on the rim of level 4 (or whatever level would give you clear LOF)". All the normal rules for elevation still hold true: blocking terrain occupying the same level as character drawing LOF will block LOF, other elevations might possibly get in the way, and so on. Simply treat characters using Great Size as the rules say and don't try to short-hand it, and it all works just fine.

Got it, colossals effectively have infinite height. This makes them more vulnerable to elevated attacks but also much more powerful.

Mockingbird, range 2, lof to level 437 on indoor map....perfectly legal, makes total sense.

Well, gotta challk this one up to the top 5 rule peeves.

Up there with Daredevil super sensing a Mind Control attack he heard coming and magic bullets from multiattack.

Thanks Normalview for your time on this since it settled an argument but that's about it.