Last night my buddy and I were playing a 300 pt game. I was using Hawkeye (Ultimates 73 pts) and I was also using Lobster Johnson (V....he is a stud by the way!..just don't push him!) so he could wildcard the Ultimates TA. Hawkeye was perched on elevated terrain (with Invisible Girl by his side and LJ was stealthed.
Well in my understanding of the Utlimates team ability...hindering terrain does not affect them as far as movement, combat, powers and team abilities...Thus when his Logan (V) was stealthed 8 spaces away from me.....I told him that I could see him.
He said I was interpreting it wrong. He says that when a person is in stealth.....the hindering effectually becomes blocking terrain. This is sort of the situation that occurs when you tell someone they can't Outwit someone who is stealthed...since you can't see them.

Could someone please clarify this Team ability power.


Question #2--Stealth Question.

Hopefully the Diagram will be correct.

L
XXXX
XXX
H

Logan (L) has stealth as a power. Can Hawkeye (H) see him or is Logan stealthed. When you read the definition it says that if LOF crosses any hindering terrain "INCLUDING) the square that the character occupies this person is stealthed. Am I reading the definition correctly. And if that is the case...Stealth is more powerful than I thought it was!

Look forward to hearing everyone's wisdom!

Still don't understand why Veteren Hawkeye has only a range of 8 (no stealth either) but Green Arrow (only 50 pts) has a range of 10...what is the deal with that! Maybe no stealth for Hawkeye is accounting for his huge EGO.

For my diagram. The XXXX represent hindering terrain. Logan is not in hindering terrain.
Just wanted to clarify that.

Thanks

The Stealth power treats Hindering terrain like Blocking terrain any time LOF is drawn to the figure with Stealth.

The Ultimates TA (per the TA's definition) ignores Hindering terrain. According to the Universe Rulebook, ignore means to treat something as if it does not exist.

So, the TA actually means that you treat Hindering Terrain as if it does not exist whenever you are attacking, moving, or using Powers.

So, if you treat Hindering terrain as if it does not exist, there is nothing for Stealth to turn into Blocking Terrain.


Hope this answers your questions....

I asked this same question (about the equivilent Superman Allies ability) when I fist joined the Realms. You are right-- you can see Logan.

You are correct. The Ultimates team ability allows you to ignore the affects of hindering terrain on movement and combat. As Hawkeye can ignore the hindering terrain Logan cannot take advantage of stealth against him. Neither can he take the +1 defense for having hindering terrain between him and the attacker.

The ULTIMATES (TA) is ruining the game. Folks here in N.Y.C. are stacking their teams with Wildcards and Ultimate Avengers characters.
Every team looks alike now-a-days; no variety.

I'm sorry that your enjoyment of the game is lessened. However, if everyone in your area is using Ultimates/Wildcard abuse, you could ensure that your team has no Stealth on it, thus ensuring that the Ultimates points are wasted... Once no Stealth shows up at tournaments, then less Ultimates will show, thereby allowing more Stealth to show up! And, that's the metagame experience.

Barr...i...er...Barr...i...er...(chant it with me folks).

Or tell your Judge to run a scenario...

No TA's work (surprise!)
Ultimates becomes Bat Ally and vice versa (surprise!)

Theme team game. While the Ultimates would still be powerful, they are lacking key support powers that would really hamper them against other teams.

The Ultimates team ability is certainly a foil to stealth. Stealth has been a problem for some people for quite a long time. Players will adjust their teams to not rely as heavily on stealth as before and then the Ultimates TA will not be as useful. The novelty of the Ultimates will wear off once the new sets hit.

best way to deal with ultimates is to either pack your team with a bunch of figs which don't need stealth, or use barriers. also except for the big guys like thor, hulk, or iron man, none of the ones used for wildcard abuse are very strong. one good charge/hss attack with an object will almost ko any one of them. people who use capt america and hawkeye don't keep the out of the fight in the back of a buildng or in a bush. If hawkeye is within 8 range of your guys then that means he is within 8 range of your rce guys to.

The same could of been said for stealth before the Ultimates. If you dont use a lot of stealth then it doesnt hurt you.

The most abused figure around here for ultimates is Vet Black widow. Willpower stealth and ultimates makes her a hard target and if you ignore her she pegs you twice.

if black widow pegs you twice, peg her ounce with a dumpster and she will magically dissapear.