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Originally posted by JacinB Technically, yes. But it'd go back to +2 at the start of your opponent's turn.
Using Oracle's Perplex appears to be the same as having the power on your dial. So, it would still end at the end of your turn.
But, still, adding it to his damage wouldn't be bad. Having Batman with Outwit and a 6 Damage? Add that to an 8 range with two targets and it starts to get ugly. And then, to really pile on, add a Stunning Blow onto his Incapacitate and it gets really ugly.
But, isn't using Oracle's perplex a "free action" which then gives you another personal perplex to use an up your defense? They same as when Batman uses his own outwit (a free action) to gain a personal perplex from Oracle.
Question... if you already have one of the powers on Oracle's dial, can you still use it again? What I mean is, Supes' Enemy allows for OW only if you don't already have it. So I'm wondering if, for clarity and lack of room, they didn't put it on the card, but they will make an errata saying, "Use a power on Oracle's dial if you don't already have this power." Otherwise, any character with PPX adds 10 points to his cost and basically gets +3 to anything, as long as they take an action. Hmmmm... except they must use an action to use Oracle's power....
Okay, I'm about to have an aneurysm here, but check this out. For 32 points, E Black Cat has wildcard TA, and PC. So add R Intergang Medic for 20, and she's got OW. Throw in ICWO for 10 more points to her cost, and you've got a Leap/Climbing, re-rolling, Perplexing Outwitter. For 62 points, plus you must have another 10 points added to another character.
Anyway, I'm sure we're all brainstorming right now, as the possibilities with this card are endless.
Originally posted by Greenandgold But, isn't using Oracle's perplex a "free action" which then gives you another personal perplex to use an up your defense? They same as when Batman uses his own outwit (a free action) to gain a personal perplex from Oracle.
I smell a FAQ entry coming up.
Allow me.
Let's distinguish here, between an "agent" using Oracle's PPX as a Power Action on his turn, and the +1, which by the way, is NOT Perplex, and is added every time a character takes an action.
So V Dr. Doom PPX his damage up to 4, and for that action, is given another +1 to anything because he is using ICWO. He adds this to his defense. He uses RS next, adding another +1 anywhere he wants, choosing against to add to defense, for a 20 defense, total. At the end of his turn, his damage returns to 3, but his defense will remain 20 until beginning of his next turn.
Mystique is also an agent, and decides to PPX Doom's AV up to 13 for an attack. This gives her a +1 to her own stats, which she will add to defense. She then uses a Power Action, turns Oracle's dial to a PPX click, and PPXs Doom's AV up to 14 (keep in mind, if another agent had already used Oracle's PPX, then the first one would be cancelled the same time the next one was used). This gives Mystique another +1 to her defense, so she now has 18 def in Stealth.
Make sense? Oracle's PPX power, a character's own PPX, and the +1 modifier are all three different things. Only the +1 modifiers carry over.
If every action gives the character a +1 to put where they choose, what about actions that result in free actions? That is, if I use RS, I give my character a power action, which then results in a free ranged combat action.
Using my once-again-favorite, once again, as an example, V Dr. Doom PPXs his AV to 13. This gives him a +1. He then uses RS (a power action, for another +1), and uses EE against some poor shmuck (for yet another +1). The opponent is then facing a 21 defense against Doom on his next turn.
Originally posted by symbiotehulk80 Mystique is also an agent, and decides to PPX Doom's AV up to 13 for an attack. This gives her a +1 to her own stats, which she will add to defense. She then uses a Power Action, turns Oracle's dial to a PPX click, and PPXs Doom's AV up to 14 (keep in mind, if another agent had already used Oracle's PPX, then the first one would be cancelled the same time the next one was used). This gives Mystique another +1 to her defense, so she now has 18 def in Stealth.
Make sense? Oracle's PPX power, a character's own PPX, and the +1 modifier are all three different things. Only the +1 modifiers carry over.
I think you missed one with your example (which seems to just confirm with most of what I stated). The one that I was questioning before.
Mystique perplexes Dooms attack. This gives her a +1 to her own stats. She then uses a Power Action, turn Oracle's dial to PPX clix. The power action is another action and this gives her a +1 to her own stats. Finally, she uses Oracle's power (perplex) as a free action and this gives her a 3rd +1 to her stats.
Originally posted by Puuka It's not perplex, it's plus one to a combat stat good until the begining of the next turn.
Spot on.
So even if you clicked Oracle to her Perplex click, you could still use that to enhance your combat values.
So just say for example you're using a Veteran Oracle, an In Contact with Oracle feat, and a KC Superman (just for example's sake) as an Agent, you could:
1) Increase Superman's defense from 17 to 18 until the beginning of your next turn;
2) Turn Oracle's dial to where she has Perplex;
3) Superman gains Perplex, so he increases his base damage from five to six; and then
4) Superman is free to attack as he pleases.
It's also interesting to note that his feat, as written, will cost 10 points per character chosen. So a single 'In Contact with Oracle' feat card can be used with multiple chosen characters (two or more as the card states), but it will cost 10 points per chosen characters.
So if you're running a Birds of Prey team for example, Oracle, Black Canary, Huntress and Batgirl, you can use the feat, choose Black Canary, Huntress and Batgirl as Agents, and it will cost you 30 points in total to use them with the feat:
Black Canary = +10 point Agent of Oracle
Huntress = +10 points Agent of Oracle
Batgirl = +10 point Agent of Oracle
So in a game situation, the team would look like this:
So even if you clicked Oracle to her Perplex click, you could still use that to enhance your combat values.
So just say for example you're using a Veteran Oracle, an In Contact with Oracle feat, and a KC Superman (just for example's sake) as an Agent, you could:
1) Increase Superman's defense from 17 to 18 until the beginning of your next turn;
2) Turn Oracle's dial to where she has Perplex;
3) Superman gains Perplex, so he increases his base damage from five to six; and then
4) Superman is free to attack as he pleases.
i get everything except 4. i assume the action that let superman's Dv go up was the power action (taken by the agent, i.e. superman) that put oracle on perplex. since supes has taken an action, how is he free to attack?
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Originally posted by OpalScion i get everything except 4. i assume the action that let superman's Dv go up was the power action (taken by the agent, i.e. superman) that put oracle on perplex. since supes has taken an action, how is he free to attack?
Using Perplex, and the feat card, are free actions. So Superman being able to attack (point four), would be considered a Combat action, either a Close Combat Action or a Ranged Combat Action. Just like using Batman to Outwit a power first (free action), then making a ranged or close combat action to inflict damage.
an agent can get a +1 bonus when taking an action, or can take a power action to gain one of oracle's powers. neither of those is free in and of itself. (and i'll put 5 bucks down that says free actions don't set off the +1 oracle bonus once the feat is FAQ'd)
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Originally posted by OpalScion how is using the feat card a free action?
an agent can get a +1 bonus when taking an action, or can take a power action to gain one of oracle's powers. neither of those is free in and of itself. (and i'll put 5 bucks down that says free actions don't set off the +1 oracle bonus once the feat is FAQ'd)
Read the card again carefully:
The first part (used if Oracle is not on your team):
"... when an agent is given an action, you may choose to give one of its combat values +1 until the beginning of your next turn."
The second part (if Oracle is on your team):
Well, I don't need to repeat it to you.
But basically it's saying that if Oracle is on your team, when an action is given to one of your Agents, you may use the +1 to any combat value until the beginning of your next turn, plus one of Oracle's given powers on her dial (Leadership, Perplex or Outwit), and then attack normally.
So when you declare an action on one of your characters (i.e., place down an action token), you can use this feat's features.
Like with any other feat card, they do not require an action to use. They are used when you assign an action to one of your characters.