Soloman Grundy has reached the end of his rope, with Kid Quantum havinf a firm lead over him.

I was playing Heroclix the other day, and building my team, I had 103 points left. I looked at my selection and realized that U HT Batman and R IC Hulk both cost the same. This got me thinking. Just because they are Heroclix equals doesn’t translate back translate back to comics. I think most of us would agree that Hulk could beat Batman in a fight.

That is the idea for this tournament. Every entry will be close to the same amount of points Heroclix wise, but this will be their comic forms fighting!

Rules:
This will be a standard single elimination tournament with 32 combatants. There will be 2 to a fight. They get no knowledge of each other (unless they have fought in the past). The only thing they get is the Heroclix figure of there enemies, and a PAC so they know what the opponent looks like and a bit about what they can do (this can be misleading however, like if they face Electro and think he will try to poison them). They will have 5 minutes to prepare. This is a fight to the death or KO, whichever happens first, and they must fight (no waiting for the opponent to die of starvation or for the terrain to dispose of them). They have with them what they normally carry and what there fig has if it is different. (Like how Bullseye doesn’t carry a gun, but he has one on the fig). If the fig that is being used is the rookie, you do NOT have to treat the fighter like that. (unless the characters powers change dramatically ie: Rouge)

When you vote, please try to justify your answer. You don’t have to write an essay, just a short explanation will do.

Terrain
There are 10 terrains that are all 5 miles in diameter. They will be chosen randomly.
With out further delay…

Shade
UN, 49
vs.
Cloak
MM, 47

Terrain:
Airplane Graveyard by hail eris
Officially known as the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center, this massive desert facility is a storage and repair depot for more than 5,000 aircraft. The inventory ranges from World War II era bombers to modern jet fighters. An active flight line allows reconditioned planes to taxi and take off directly from the repair hangars. Massive fuel tanks are situated some distance from the runway, and a nearby wrecking yard dismantles the critical systems of decommissioned nuclear missiles.

21-25pts. winner: Live Wire
26-30pts. winner: Zatanna
31-35pts. winner: Killer Frost
36-40pts. winner: Brainiac 5
41-45pts. winner: Cosmic Boy

Round 1
Orphan vs. The Atom: The Atom
Captain America vs. Ultimate Marvel Girl: Ultimate Marvel Girl
Mr. Freeze vs. Desaad: Desaad
Mr. Fantastic vs. Joker: Mr. Fantastic
Punisher vs. Soloman Grundy: Soloman Grundy
Hawkman vs. Deathstroke: Deathstroke
Nightcrawler vs. Ultimate Invisible Woman: Ultimate Invisible Woman
Impulse vs. Dove: Dove
Catwoman vs. Karma: Karma
Ultimate Scarlet Witch vs. Cloak: Cloak
Black Panther vs. Bron: Bron
Ultimate Mr. Fantastic vs. Death Demon: Ultimate Mr. Fantastic
Tigra vs. Kid Quantum: Kid Quantum
Obsidian vs. Raven: Obsidian
Jolt vs. Red Skull: Red Skull
Shade vs. Polaris: Shade

Round 2
Obsidian vs. Soloman Grundy: Soloman Grundy
Bron vs. Cloak: Cloak
Kid Quantum vs. The Atom: Kid Quantum
Ultimate Mr. Fantastic vs. Mr. Fantastic: Mr. Fantastic
Desaad vs. Deathstroke: Deathstroke
Ultimate Marvel Girl vs. Karma: Ultimate Marvel Girl
Ultimate Invisible Woman vs. Dove: Ultimate Invisible Woman
Red Skull vs. Shade: Shade

Round 3
Ultimate Invisible Woman vs. Deathstroke: Deathstroke
Kid Quantum vs. Soloman Grundy: Kid Quantum
Shade vs. Cloak:

SHADE
Found wandering the streets of 1838 London, amnesiac Richard Swift was taken in the Ludlow family. He recovered his strength but not his memory, until the perverse Ludlows tried to kill him. Discovering a force of darkness he could control, he killed all the Ludlows save two, whose descendants would pursue him for a century and a half. His darkness granted him immortality, could heal wounds and create horrifying constructs. He spent the next century having adventures, occasionally returning to his home in Opal City. He encountered another like him, the dwarf Simon Culp. Culp and Swift clashed over the years, until an explosion during the London Blitz fused them together. Swift was unaware of this for decades, but during extreme fatigue the Culp personality would become dominant. In the 40's Swift called himself the Shade and became a foe of the original Flash. He relished these "jousts," holding back his lethal powers and even saving Flash's life on one occasion. The Shade eventually retired to Opal City, where he befriended the Starman, Jack Knight; transforming from villain to near-hero. When the Culp personality manifested completely and took over Opal, the Shade finally was able to excise his "evil half" and destroy him. Now he occasionally helps the heroes of Opal.

CLOAK
Runaway Tyrone Johnson was kidnapped and taken to the Maggia's secret drug lab. Along with Tandy Bowen, the two were injected with an experimental heroin which transformed Tyrone into a living shadow. Calling themselves Cloak and Dagger, the teens used their powers to rescue other runaways from becoming victims of criminals and drug dealers. Tyrone's shadow is actually a portal to the "dark dimension" which he uses to teleport himself and others. Those projected into the portal experience horrific visions unless protected by Dagger's light. The dark dimension causes an insatiable hunger in Cloak that can only be temporarily dispelled by Dagger's light or the life force of victims. Cloak's shadow form also renders him intangible, allowing objects (like bullets) to pass through him and him to pass through objects (like walls.) Recently when Cloak became possessed by Nightmare, Dagger had no choice but to unleash the full extent of her power; cleansing Cloak of the darkness and transforming him back into human form.

Hey guys, don't forget to nominate both terrains and characters in the nomination threads!

Wow. What a match-up. Both are by their nature going t be somewhat immune to each others powers.

I'll vote for the Shade based on his immortaility, superhuman resilience and regeneration.

I'll vote Shade based on his ability to teleport via shadows.

Can't cloak also do that?

I vote for cloak since a black guy name tyrone has got to be more hardcore than a brit name Richard swift.

Shade seems smarter then Cloak.

My vote: Shade

My vote Shade for reasons already listed

Mark it down as another vote for shade. Anything tyrone tries to do against shade will be nullified since shade can also teleport through shadows.

Yes, but Cloak's primary form of attack involves trapping people in a dark dimension. In other words, it's impossible for him to beat Shade that way. Shade has been shown hanging out in, and going to and from at will, a nightmarish shadowland that few could survive.

To Cloak, it's his ultimate weapon, to Shade, it's like visiting home or stepping through a door.

You have no idea how 'hardcore' Shade is.

Swift might be calm and collected while doing it, but that doesn't make him an ounce less powerful. When he helped a bad-cop-turned-good eliminate... all the criminals who could possibly finger him (the cop) in Opal city being a good example.

Their powers may appear similar on the outside but there's a huge difference here that spells the end for Cloak. Ty is a doorway to the Darkforce Dimension - or its' similar counterpart - whereas Shade is literally a part of and controls the "darkforce". Shade can just out-and-out manipulate Cloak's powers or even just turn Cloak inside-out. Cloak could try to envelop Shade but that would actually just power up the esteemable Mr. Swift, Esq. This is kind-of the equivalent of sending an iron-bodied opponent up againt Magneto.

Vote: The Shade

Ty's a former junkie. Swift has a bodycount that would make even Wolverine cringe. Don't let the names and ethnic backgrounds fool you as to who's more hardcore.

Consider this as well -

Even if we presume they have identical powers, with no difference in the actual strength of said powers...

Doesn't 150 years of experience with said powers sort of trump the few years Tyrone has had his?

Shade wins.

Why would Shade be able to manipulate a dimmension he's not a part of or made out of?

They don't link to the same place. The dark force dimmension is actually some sort of 'dark' energy.

I vote for Cloak. Captain Marvel could turn herself into any form of energy, yet could not escape the Dark Force dimmension (which she should have been able to do).

Could Shade get back out? Maybe (unlike the shadow lands there are no forms or substance per say in the Dark Force dimmension), but not in time to stop the effective incap.

Because Shade's powers aren't limited to manipulating only energy from the shadow lands - he out-and-out manipulates darkness and related "dark energies" (e.g. - he was shown capable of manipulating/stopping the powers of the champions of Talokk and their powers aren't directly connected to the shadow lands). Cloak's powers are still darkness and "dark force" and thus within the purvey of Shade's darkness manipulation powers.

Cloak could try to trap Shade but there's nothing to stop Shade from teleportating before he's completely enveloped. Stunning Shade is a bit tricky too as he's actually two entities in one being (i.e.: one can take over if the other one is facing "mental manipulations" such as Cloak's fear attacks).