Nobody get ofended when in a comic book the new writer/rs tell what everything what you read for years was a lie?


I'm thinking in Max, he was a nice boos of the old JLI now, we know what he was a villiam. That was imagine by Giffen back int eh 80's??: NO.

What about Sider-Man and the clone history.


What about Jean Grey dead or Jason tood dead or Aunt May dead. "He/she is dead", no really, he is not dead, was anothe person. etc.

What do you think about all this, you like? is not a litty offense to the past writers and creators and maybe readers??

Sometimes it bothers me. The ressurection of Jason Todd really annoys me. Generally though, if it's a well written/thought out story I can typically move on after my initial "displeasure".

I agree with your points. I just think it's part of the nature of this business.

If I were a writer and created some kind of story, I'd be really upset if the guy that came after me pissed all over my story. Look at the Grant Morrison X-Men stuff. Some of the best X-Men stuff in existence: realistic portrayals of mutants as a minority with all the Mutant Town stuff and a beautiful tragic ending to Magneto's life, not to mention a wonderful end of the X-Men to cap it all off. But now look where we are 2 years later. Magneto was never really dead for circumstances that aren't clear, and most of the mutants in the world are gone so that "mutants are a minority again". Whatever. If you're going to be called a racial minority that doesn't mean there can only be 200 of you. So yes it is a huge offense but I guess it's all forgiven because we wouldn't even have these stories if people weren't trying to make money.

For me, the Max Lord thing wasn't a big deal though. It took an underused character and burned him up to give us all a surprise. Yet bringing back Jason Todd was one of the most awful things Winick could have done, and he's done some awful work. So I guess it's all just subjective anyway.

I do have to give credit to the companies for making some ballsy moves and shaking things up. Good or bad, they do have our attention. And that counts for more than you'd think.

This was the main reason why I dropped all of the X-books prior to the Age of Apocalypse story-line.

Yes, it was a marketing technique. It just didn't get the desired effect from me...

This post is not intended to anger the fans of AoA, seeing AoA Hero Clix will not stop me from getting them, it's just that I was also getting tired of buying 10 X-books a month.

The only thing DC is doing that annoys me now is how they gutted the old JLI.
Blue Beetle dead.
Max evil, then dead.
Sue dead.
Rocket Red dead.
Booster Gold going home.

I'm sure I'm missing some.
It just makes me sad that one team gets hit so hard.

To be fair, Magneto is solidly in the "I've died so many times that no one should ever believe I'm permanently gone again" column. His death holds no meaning anymore, and it didn't long before Morrison killed him off.

It depends on how it's done really. If the writer seems to have a pretty good understanding of what came before and then adds a new twist on something that I thought I knew I usually don't mind, and if it seems like there is at least some reason to do it then I'm usually ok. If when I read a story and it's clear that the writer doesn't really understand the characters and hasn't payed a lot of attention to old continuity and goes around messing with things then it annoys me. For me there's no hard and fast rule, I'm much more tolerant of Jason Todd coming back (but for me the jury is still out on that, I won't be totally convinced until Batman solves the mystery of how it happened), than I am of the Avengers haveing a tough time beating up a bunch of Hand Ninjas.

The thing that really annoyed me about bringing back Jason Todd was an interview that Winick gave saying that he didn't hadn't figured out how he was going to bring Todd back but that bringing him back was a cool idea.

I have no problem with bringing a character back but I want it done sensibly, not taking the cowards way out by wiping out the last 'x' years continuity by having someone wake up from a dream.

the problem is what a lot of writewrs don't do the "home work" and leave things in the air.

Lets say the first Crisis on Inf Earths, they pay a guy for read DC comics 2 years for made this history soo great and (I know) they still made misteques,but ey! they made the more colosal work of the comics history.

Despite being one of the most fanatical Black Panther fans in the world, this exact kind of behaviour by the current writer actually forced me to drop T'challa's book! That is saying a lot.

I don't mind new takes on old ideas, but you should never just completely ignore and re-write established continuity. That is disgustingly disrespectful to the original creators, the characters, and the long-term fans. I refuse to support that, and would rather spend my money buying well-written comics by people who do their research.

For the same reason, I refuse to buy the New Avengers. I simply cannot believe that a team which has around 40 reservists could not have gotten any of them to come fill out their roster when they were in their time of greatest need. That, and the Cap I know would NEVER allow Wolverine to be an Avenger. Sorry. My Luke Cage fanboyism cannot override such a poor premise.

I love what Bendis did with the mutants in House of M, personally. When you think about it, mutants are supposed to be a minority, but if you look at every character in the Marvel U., chances are 4 out of 5 of those characters are mutants. That's not a minority!

as a kid, i was ruined by the whole 'bobby ewing isn't dead, it was just a dream' thing from the tv show 'dallas' in the 80's. RUINED i tell you! why kill someone to advance a storyline IF THEY DON"T STAAY DEAD?!?!? i hate it in movies, tv and especially comics. heck, after they killed off mysterio in the kevin smith run of daredevil (which was awesome), old fishbowl head showed up in another book the next month (either spidey or ff, can't remember).

all i have to say is....danm you bobby ewing

I agree with this. The whole AoA thing for me was about as bad as it could get. It was done before, and better. The one few good things to come out of it was Blink (and later, Exiles).

Right now (besides House of M) the worst thing Marvel has done for me is bring back Bucky. Sorry, but that was one of the few characters that stayed dead and should have stayed dead. It was always a constant reminder to Steve Rogers and bringing him back wasn't needed or cutting edge...it was tired and worn out.

Minority isn't so much about numbers anymore. There's only like 3 white people in the NBA, does that make them a minority in the US? Or just not good at basketball. It's the same with superheroes maybe mutants are naturally better at protecting other people therefore they get comics. White people in the US have control of most of the wealth and power, and that makes them the majority. There are waaaay more than 200 Spanish people in the US, does that diminish their value? No. What makes them stand out is their unique culture, and the resulting clashes between them and a decidedly white power structure. Morrison was able to capture that in his book, in my opinion a much better way to handle it. I like Bendis but was disappointed by house of M. It felt like a bunch of big band aids over cuts that weren't there.

Whew hope I didn't sound racist there. That's not my intent.

I had a problem with how Grant Morrison peed all over the Doom Patrol. To me it would have been a great story if he'd used his own characters instead of the Doom Patrol (like the Watchmen). This is the reason John Byrne did what he did with the current incarnation. So now the Doom Patrol is a bigger mess then Hawkman became.

Personally, I think the Vertigo books should be a seperate continuity from standard DC books. I didn't care for what was done to Black Orchid either.